On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 2:25 AM, Matt Wilkie map...@gmail.com wrote:
when I'm using the mouse, which I do a lot, I want to keep using the
mouse. When I'm using the keyboard, which I also do a lot, I want to keep
using the keyboard.
I haven't paid much attention to mouse-related issues
On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 7:27 AM, Chris George technat...@gmail.com wrote:
An example of inconsistency is the current context menu that pops up on
r-clicking a node. No shortcuts and the 'move' plugin doesn't provide any
either for its large number of options which forces me to use the mouse.
On Wed, 11 Dec 2013 07:27:51 -0800 (PST)
Chris George technat...@gmail.com wrote:
IMHO, everything that can be done with the mouse should be accessible to
the keyboard and vice versa. One thing I noticed immediately about Leo is
that the context menu on nodes and body text is not accessible
(Shirt-F10) is a UI convention that works in *most* applications that worry
about things like conventions. The only reason I use the keyboard so much,
as compared to people who started using computers after Windows took over,
was that I learned to write using Wordperfect 5.
There are many
On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 8:24 PM, Chris George technat...@gmail.com wrote:
(Most GUI apps restrict Alt-Key combinations to support the menu items.
It's always legitimate to consider the key bindings that should be in
effect by default (that is, for newbies). I doubt, though, that such
things
On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 12:44 PM, adrians nman...@gmail.com wrote:
I guess it wasn't clear from my previous post that Xiki is basically Acme.
The thing is that it both of these use the mouse to achieve quite a bit of
their functionality, and, from another thread, I see that Edward is against
On 12/11/2013 7:16 AM, Edward K. Ream wrote:
On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 12:44 PM, adrians nman...@gmail.com
mailto:nman...@gmail.com wrote:
I guess it wasn't clear from my previous post that Xiki is
basically Acme. The thing is that it both of these use the mouse
to achieve quite a
On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 7:47 AM, Jacob Peck gatesph...@gmail.com wrote:
I intend to write an acme-mode plugin at some point here
...It will also provide keyboard-only ways of doing things -- I'm aiming
to capture the features of acme, not the 'mouse is king' spirit.
Excellent. I'll look
This whole thread has made me think that we need a 'Leo UI/UX guidelines
for writing plugins' section in the docs. Plugins are written in a
fundamentally different way than the core -- rather devil-may-care, as
they're not vital. As far as I know, I'm the only one who uses my
nodewatch.py
On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 9:27 AM, Chris George technat...@gmail.com wrote:
IMHO, everything that can be done with the mouse should be accessible to
the keyboard and vice versa.
I agree.
Every menu item in the UI, no matter how accessed, should have a keyboard
shortcut.
Not a shortcut:
On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 9:31 AM, Jacob Peck gatesph...@gmail.com wrote:
This whole thread has made me think that we need a 'Leo UI/UX guidelines
for writing plugins' section in the docs.
Doesn't the world already have several guidelines?
Plugins are written in a fundamentally different
On 12/10/2013 10:38 AM, Edward K. Ream wrote:
In effect, each Leo headline is like a command line! The way around
this are buttons that create the appropriate headline.
A very important concept to grasp, for sure. To further drive this
home, I recommend playing around with the ACME editor, and
Comments on http://youtu.be/xYiiD-p2q80 at 16:32
QQQ
A widely used heuristic for evaluating user interfaces: the relative ease
with which we can *recognize* things rather than *recall* them...We
recognize shapes and faces at extremely fast speeds.
QQQ
This may be Leo's most important strength.
On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 9:46 AM, Jacob Peck gatesph...@gmail.com wrote:
On 12/10/2013 10:38 AM, Edward K. Ream wrote:
In effect, each Leo headline is like a command line! The way around this
are buttons that create the appropriate headline.
A very important concept to grasp, for sure. To
Since you've brought up Acme, I'd recommend looking at Xiki to see if any
of it's (and Acme's) ideas can be borrowed for Leo. The screencasts
http://xiki.org/screencastsare worth watching.
-- Adrian
On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 10:46:09 AM UTC-5, Jacob Peck wrote:
On 12/10/2013 10:38 AM,
I guess it wasn't clear from my previous post that Xiki is basically Acme.
The thing is that it both of these use the mouse to achieve quite a bit of
their functionality, and, from another thread, I see that Edward is against
mouse use. I'm with Jacob on this, Edward - please don't ignore the
On 12/10/2013 1:30 PM, adrians wrote:
Since you've brought up Acme, I'd recommend looking at Xiki to see if
any of it's (and Acme's) ideas can be borrowed for Leo. The
screencasts http://xiki.org/screencastsare worth watching.
-- Adrian
Thanks for this! You've given me another toy to play
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