Re: [lfs-dev] LFS-7.5 is released

2014-03-02 Thread Randy McMurchy
On 3/2/2014 4:31 PM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: The Linux From Scratch community is pleased to announce the release of LFS Version 7.5. [snip] I would like to say that it pleases me that the LFS community is as active as it is, and congratulations on another release of this fine product. LFS is as

Re: [lfs-dev] LFS 7.3: ISO discussion

2013-03-12 Thread Randy McMurchy
cybertao wrote these words on 03/12/13 22:24 CST: I just realised I chose the development branch without much consideration, when the stable version my be more appropriate. If only for the convenience of release cycle guidelines. I focus on making a bootable CD and USB image for now using

Re: [lfs-dev] [systemd branch] Why is XML::Parser on the same page as Perl?

2013-03-03 Thread Randy McMurchy
Armin K. wrote these words on 03/02/13 11:28 CST: Dana 2.3.2013 18:14, Pierre Labastie je napisao: I do not understand why the above has been done. I understand XML::Parser is a Perl module. But glibc (for example) is a C library, and we do not put it on the same page as GCC... I agree

Re: [lfs-dev] texinfo-5.0 breaks gcc in Chapter 6

2013-02-24 Thread Randy McMurchy
Bruce Dubbs wrote these words on 02/24/13 17:45 CST: Ken Moffat wrote: For anyone who builds ada (really ? why ? :) in BLFS, I guess they are going to be missing the ada info files. I did some Ada coding once (1990s), but not for production. It has *very* strong type checking and is

Re: [lfs-dev] texinfo-5.0 breaks gcc in Chapter 6

2013-02-23 Thread Randy McMurchy
Bruce Dubbs wrote these words on 02/23/13 20:13 CST: I still am not in favor of putting this in LFS-7.3. It's so much easier to omit the .info build completely and, of course, there is no sense at all in building it in Chapter 5. I really don't understand why texinfo-5.0 had to go into

Re: [lfs-dev] texinfo-5.0 breaks gcc in Chapter 6

2013-02-23 Thread Randy McMurchy
Bruce Dubbs wrote these words on 02/23/13 21:23 CST: About the only reason why is to avoid questions like Why isn't the latest version of package X in the book? Because it came out while LFS-7.3 was in package-freeze mode. Oh wait, we don't do package-freeze! :-) I look at it as similar to

[lfs-dev] Ncurses pkgconfig .pc files

2013-01-29 Thread Randy McMurchy
Hi all, I just ran into a package (VLC from BLFS) that looks for the ncurses package by checking for pkgconfig files. VLC fails to find ncurses because there are no .pc files installed by ncurses using the LFS instructions. In order for ncurses to install the pkgconfig files, you must use the

Re: [lfs-dev] Ncurses pkgconfig .pc files

2013-01-29 Thread Randy McMurchy
Bruce Dubbs wrote these words on 01/29/13 16:57 CST: Can you please post $ ls destdir/usr/lib/pkgconfig/* LOL. Though not necessary as the names of the files are in the name field of each of the files I posted, here is an ls. rml@rmlinux: ~/build/ncurses-5.9 ls -l

Re: [lfs-dev] Ncurses pkgconfig .pc files

2013-01-29 Thread Randy McMurchy
Armin K. wrote these words on 01/29/13 17:49 CST: I'd also recommend that you add symlinks as you do for libraries (form - formw, menu - menuw, etc). Right. Good call. -- Randy rmlscsi: [bogomips 1003.23] [GNU ld version 2.16.1] [gcc (GCC) 4.0.3] [GNU C Library stable release version 2.3.6]

Re: [lfs-dev] gptfdisk

2012-12-30 Thread Randy McMurchy
On 12/30/2012 3:00 AM, Matt Burgess wrote: On Sat, 2012-12-29 at 21:40 -0800, Nathan Coulson wrote: On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 8:51 PM, Bruce Dubbs bruce.du...@gmail.com wrote: I would like to propose adding gptfdisk to LFS. I do prefer it for it's simplicity over parted, but I think BLFS would

Re: [lfs-dev] Minor cleanups and consistancy fixes

2012-08-22 Thread Randy McMurchy
Bruce Dubbs wrote these words on 08/22/12 21:05 CST: I think the difference between GB and gigabytes is more style than grammar. I'd like other opinions. You can use either. It certainly is not grammar. It is totally interchangeable. In one place you change five gigabyte to 5 gigabyte.

Re: [lfs-dev] Proposed package freeze

2012-08-21 Thread Randy McMurchy
Bruce Dubbs wrote these words on 08/21/12 12:13 CST: I am proposing that we freeze LFS for 7.2 with the packages we now have in svn. There is one outstanding ticket to address glibc issues, but that does not require a package change. Util-linux may come out with a new release in the next

[lfs-dev] Introduction

2012-08-20 Thread Randy McMurchy
Hi all, Though some may remember me from my work in the LFS community, many of you will not. So, I would like to re-introduce myself. My name is Randy McMurchy and I have been building LFS since March of 2004. Hard to believe more than eight years have gone by since that first build. Though my

Re: [lfs-dev] Email/Mailing List Timing test

2012-08-20 Thread Randy McMurchy
Matt Burgess wrote these words on 08/20/12 15:04 CST: Pings are about right here ~300ms. That said, I was checking my email this morning using the web client on quantum and it saw the same delay. Odd. I'll see how things go tonight. Thanks for taking a look! FWIW, I have been seeing

Re: [lfs-dev] Email/Mailing List Timing test

2012-08-20 Thread Randy McMurchy
Bruce Dubbs wrote these words on 08/20/12 17:41 CST: I think we've got it fixed. Mailman issue. Thanks for the test. I'm seeing almost instantaneous response now. Thanks for fixing the problem, Bruce. -- Randy rmlscsi: [bogomips 1003.24] [GNU ld version 2.16.1] [gcc (GCC) 4.0.3] [GNU C

Re: [lfs-dev] Introduction

2012-08-20 Thread Randy McMurchy
Ken Moffat wrote these words on 08/20/12 15:50 CST: Who ? ;-) Oh, just some guy that search engines took me to the LFS web site when I was building GNOME back in early 2004! But seriously, Welcome Back! Thanks, Ken. I look forward to working with you again. -- Randy rmlscsi: [bogomips

Re: [lfs-dev] Andy Benton

2012-08-10 Thread Randy McMurchy
Bruce Dubbs wrote these words on 07/31/12 16:25 CST: With great sadness, I have to report the passing of Andy Benton. I am sorry to hear this news. Though Andy and I had our differences of opinion on some things, I always appreciated and admired the work he did for the (B)LFS community. He will

Re: TeX Live is Alive!

2011-01-21 Thread Randy McMurchy
On 1/21/2011 3:18 PM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: There is another problem. In the command: for FN in `find /usr/bin -type l`; do if [ `readlink $FN | grep \.\./texmf` ]; then ln -svf `readlink $FN | sed 's|\.\./texmf|../share/texmf|'` $FN fi done unset FN I get

Re: Should xz-utils installed before man-db

2011-01-04 Thread Randy McMurchy
xinglp wrote these words on 01/04/11 10:49 CST: It seems that man-db depends on xz-utils. The configure out puts below 111 checking for pic... pic 112 checking for gzip... gzip 113 checking for compress... no 114 checking for bzip2... bzip2 115 checking for xz... xz 116 checking for

Re: 6.16 gcc omit-frame pointer

2010-12-01 Thread Randy McMurchy
Bruce Dubbs wrote these words on 12/01/10 14:50 CST: In Chapter 5, we are not doing a full bootstrap, so we add -fomit-frame-pointer so it will produce the same codes as if it was a full bootstrap. In Chapter 6, we do the same thing. I think, but I'm not sure, that -fomit-frame-pointer

udev-164-testfiles.tar.bz2

2010-10-30 Thread Randy McMurchy
is not located where the dev book says it is: http://anduin.linuxfromscratch.org/sources/other/udev-164-testfiles.tar.bz2 Would it be any different than the 163 version? -- Randy -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/faq/ Unsubscribe: See

Glibc requirement

2010-10-26 Thread Randy McMurchy
Hi all, I went to build a new LFS (development version) today so that I could begin getting BLFS ready for a release. I got bit in that my host's kernel version (an old LFS build from 2007) was one release too short (2.6.21.5 instead of 2.6.22.5). I've built 3 versions of LFS since this host, but

Re: How can I contribute?

2010-07-30 Thread Randy McMurchy
Ken Moffat wrote: Just for the record, BLFS is still targetted at LFS-6.5, so build instructions should be appropriate to that version. That should probably change now. I'm not sure any active developers are using 6.5. I am open to suggestions, but I feel BLFS may need to just simply target

Re: Website

2010-04-16 Thread Randy McMurchy
Bruce Dubbs wrote: I have to say that I agree. In my mind, the current site is quite adequate. I'm not going to be 'for' or 'against' a change, but I don't see the value in changing. Ken, us old guys need to stick together. :) Count me in as one of the old guys! -- Randy --

Re: BLFS: Where does it stand?

2010-03-30 Thread Randy McMurchy
Randy McMurchy wrote these words on 03/30/10 18:06 CST: All the servers I feel pretty good about. And not to exclude Ken, I've got Ghostscript and CUPS already updated, Gutenprint is already being tested against the other two. Oh, and I mix in Samba just to really test the installation

Re: BLFS: Where does it stand?

2010-03-30 Thread Randy McMurchy
Randy McMurchy wrote: Randy McMurchy wrote these words on 03/30/10 18:06 CST: All the servers I feel pretty good about. And not to exclude Ken, I've got Ghostscript and CUPS already updated, Gutenprint is already being tested against the other two. Oh, and I mix in Samba just to really test

Re: Testing

2010-03-29 Thread Randy McMurchy
Robert Xu wrote these words on 03/28/10 16:38 CST: I'm just having the problem of getting all the emails about 6-10 hours late. Like now, I just got an email sent at 10:24 AM, and it's 5:38 PM now. I also reported the same exact behavior from the mail server on quantum to the sysadmin, but I

Testing

2010-03-28 Thread Randy McMurchy
Sorry for the noise if it comes through, but David Jensen emailed to me saying he hasn't received mail from these two groups in some time, and he also sent a test mail. -- Randy rmlscsi: [bogomips 1003.22] [GNU ld version 2.16.1] [gcc (GCC) 4.0.3] [GNU C Library stable release version 2.3.6]

Quantum server and mail issues

2010-03-19 Thread Randy McMurchy
Hi all, I've noticed that recently there are times (such as right now) that it takes 3 or 4 hours for LFS mail to be delivered to my mail client. However, that same mail hits the Gmane News server in mere moments. Anyone have any idea what is going on with the Quantum server? -- Randy

Re: grammar correction chap 4.1 LFS 6.6

2010-03-12 Thread Randy McMurchy
Chris Staub wrote these words on 03/12/10 13:09 CST: Hmm, then you might want to take a look at the LFS Prerequisites page, and the Less, M4, Groff, GCC, and Glibc pages in Chapter 6. Then again, it might be better for your sanity if you don't... Entering late (on purpose) because it is such

E2fsprogs patch

2010-03-05 Thread Randy McMurchy
Hi all, I have submitted a patch upstream to the E2fsprogs maintainers to add a function to the libcom_err library so that it will be compatible with Heimdal. Without the patch to E2fsprogs, Heimdal will end up adding a new libcom_err library in /usr/lib and overwrite the .so file that points to

Traceroute

2010-02-21 Thread Randy McMurchy
Hi all, Is it worth maintaining the Traceroute package in BLFS when Inetutils from LFS ships a working traceroute program? Is one better than the other? -- Randy rmlscsi: [bogomips 1003.22] [GNU ld version 2.16.1] [gcc (GCC) 4.0.3] [GNU C Library stable release version 2.3.6] [Linux 2.6.14.3

Re: suggestion: add wget

2009-12-21 Thread Randy McMurchy
Bruce Dubbs wrote: clark hammer wrote: It would be beneficial if the community added wget to lfs. This would allow lfs users to download additional software once they build their own lfs system. This has been discussed before. One thing Bruce didn't mention is that you have full FTP

Re: Linux Standards Base

2009-10-27 Thread Randy McMurchy
Dan Nicholson wrote: The major reason for the existence of the LSB is to support ISVs who want to distribute software for linux. They want to have some base to be able to say here's a package that will work on your system. If you don't want or need to support that, the LSB is not for you.

Re: zlib instructions - 'rm /lib/libz.so'?

2009-09-14 Thread Randy McMurchy
Bruce Dubbs wrote: Bryan Kadzban wrote: But we don't put *any* .so (or .a) files into /lib, because the only reason for /lib is to hold libraries that are required before /usr may be mounted (i.e. early bootscripts). And when you're compiling -- which is the only time .so or .a files are

Re: LFS-6.5 RC2 plans

2009-07-26 Thread Randy McMurchy
Matthew Burgess wrote these words on 07/26/09 15:22 CST: I'm intending to push 6.5-RC2 out midweek, at which point I'll also declare a full feature/package freeze. Cool. It's at that point I build a 6.5 system and start testing BLFS packages. But until then ... -- Randy rmlscsi: [bogomips

New BLFS Editor

2009-07-22 Thread Randy McMurchy
Hi all, I'd like to announce that Wayne Blaszczyk has accepted a position as a BLFS Editor. Wayne has recently been sending in patches for the BLFS book to add new packages. Wayne will make a fine addition to the BLFS team and I encourage everyone to welcome him as the newest addition to the

Re: inetutils

2009-07-21 Thread Randy McMurchy
Tobias Gasser wrote these words on 07/21/09 16:25 CST: conclusion / request: add a paragraph in the top of the changelog telling how to use the wiki log/trunk to get some more details. knowing about this wiki entries makes my life a lot easier (at least concerning lfs ;) ). up to today i

Re: LFS-6.5-RC1 released

2009-07-18 Thread Randy McMurchy
Matthew Burgess wrote these words on 07/18/09 10:05 CST: The Linux From Scratch community is pleased to announce the release of LFS Version 6.5 Release Candidate 1. [snip] It is our intention to release LFS-6.5 final within 2 weeks. Just my opinion, but I think that is too aggressive of a

Re: LFS-6.5-RC1 released

2009-07-18 Thread Randy McMurchy
Bruce Dubbs wrote these words on 07/18/09 10:53 CST: I understand your concerns, but let me mention an alternative view. If we wait too long, there will be updates to several packages and the longer we wait, the more pressure to incorporate those newer packages into the 'upcoming'

Re: BDB and GDBM

2009-07-17 Thread Randy McMurchy
Matthew Burgess wrote these words on 07/17/09 06:24 CST: BDB was added ages ago when we moved to iproute2, whose arpd implementation links against BDB. Personally, I never use arpd, but I guess it's useful for some network-admin types. We could drop BDB and therefore lose arpd (potentially

Re: BDB and GDBM

2009-07-17 Thread Randy McMurchy
Matthew Burgess wrote these words on 07/17/09 06:35 CST: I'd agree that your proposal is the right thing to do. Bruce, do you mind if we squeeze this in for 6.5? We would also have to put back the short note in the program that builds arpd, that if you need arpd, then follow BLFS to build

BDB and GDBM

2009-07-16 Thread Randy McMurchy
Hi all, So I don't have to try and scour through the archives, can someone help me figure out why GDBM was added to chapter 6 of the book, yet BDB was left in as well. Do we have packages in Chapter 6 that depend on both being installed? -- Randy rmlscsi: [bogomips 1003.25] [GNU ld version

Re: no libidn/ in glibc-2.9

2009-03-20 Thread Randy McMurchy
Matthew Burgess wrote these words on 03/20/09 07:02 CST: On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 12:35:06 +0100 (MET), Alexander Kozlov akoz...@nada.kth.se wrote: there is no libidn/ in glibc-2.9 release, contrary to the contents of Chap.6. It appears in gnu snapshots though. Could you be more specific

Re: 5.5. GCC-4.3.3 - Pass 1

2009-03-17 Thread Randy McMurchy
Jack Stone wrote: Matthew Burgess wrote: Such a big warning is already present at the bottom of 5.3 (General Compilation Instructions). Does it really need repeating on each and every package instruction page? [snip] It just seems that people don't realise this so maybe it should be

Re: libusb-compat requires pkg-config

2009-02-28 Thread Randy McMurchy
Matthew Burgess wrote these words on 02/28/09 17:00 CST: Just to let you know that trying to build libusb-compat early on in a BLFS build fails (hard fail in ./configure) if pkg-config isn't installed. I'll fix this right now. This situation with pkg-config is just going to get worse and

Re: libusb-compat requires pkg-config

2009-02-28 Thread Randy McMurchy
Bruce Dubbs wrote these words on 02/28/09 19:33 CST: While I'm not completely against putting pkg-config in LFS, we could also put it into Chapter 3 of BLFS, 'After LFS Configuration Issues'. It wouldn't surprise me if some LFS package looks for pkg-config in the near future. At that time,

Re: Package Management

2009-02-13 Thread Randy McMurchy
DJ Lucas wrote these words on 02/12/09 17:18 CST: Randy McMurchy wrote: I realize I could keep my old logs from packages I've since removed and replaced, but I'm wondering how others do it. I didn't...hadn't even considered it when logging installations. I've since moved to DESTDIR so

Package Management

2009-02-12 Thread Randy McMurchy
Hi all, Though this topic may be borderline off-topic for the -dev lists, they have the most traffic, and just may be relevant. My question is this: How do others handle the situation where directories are created by a package during the package install, and then other packages install other

Re: Let William comment and make tickets

2009-02-11 Thread Randy McMurchy
William Immendorf wrote these words on 02/11/09 16:04 CST: THIS IS UNFAIR! WILLIAM NEEDS TO HAVE TICKET PREMITIONS!! Why must you feel you have to shout in ALL CAPS? You'd be so much more accepted if you just followed the decorum we've established over the years. You continuously break the

Re: Let William comment and make tickets

2009-02-11 Thread Randy McMurchy
William Immendorf wrote these words on 02/11/09 16:37 CST: On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Bruce Dubbs bruce.du...@gmail.com wrote: Let William post to -dev. If he demonstrates that he has an emotional age greater than 12, we can consider restoring ticket privileges. And I am showing a

Re: Let William comment and make tickets

2009-02-11 Thread Randy McMurchy
Bruce Dubbs wrote these words on 02/11/09 16:31 CST: Let William post to -dev. If he demonstrates that he has an emotional age greater than 12, we can consider restoring ticket privileges. Promises won't cut it. Only actions will be considered. Very well put, Bruce, thank you. It is up

Re: LFS Ticket system

2009-02-08 Thread Randy McMurchy
Bruce Dubbs wrote these words on 02/01/09 12:25 CST: Thanks for the tip Matt. I wasn't seeing the error on any browser so it was difficult to figure out. Perhaps we should just delete all accounts and ask everyone to re-register. The Admin page (for BLFS and LFS) shows a lot of

Re: Adapting LFS SVN for multilib

2009-01-14 Thread Randy McMurchy
Ryan Oliver wrote: Greg Schafer wrote: Hopefully, there are others like me that do not mind this banter between Ryan and Greg. I don't look at it as arguing, or trying to one-up each other. It is simply their way of expressing their own ideas. I like it. And I'm learning from it. If you feel

Quantum HTTP processes using 100% CPU?

2008-12-28 Thread Randy McMurchy
Hi all, If anyone with privileges to Quantum could look in and see why the Quantum server is so bogged down, I sure would appreciate it. It seems as though it has been really, really sluggish the last few days. Top shows that HTTP processes have the CPU running at 100%. Perhaps if the Apache

Re: CLFS Bashing - Fork?? When??

2008-12-26 Thread Randy McMurchy
Dan Nicholson wrote: We can call CLFS whatever we want, but by typical open source project standards, it is definitely a fork. I agree, that is why I've always referenced it as a fork. And as Dan says below, I don't consider that a bad thing. It simply is an accurate description. I don't

Re: CLFS antics

2008-12-26 Thread Randy McMurchy
Jeremy Huntwork wrote: Hi Rob, I would love to see what you and Robert C. have suggested happen. [snip good stuff] Anyway, as far as I am concerned, I would be glad to give up any commit privileges I have in the projects and work only from the sidelines if it would help remove the rift

Re: Future LFS 7.x Plans

2008-12-06 Thread Randy McMurchy
Jim Gifford wrote: I also hope anything from what people have done towards the LFS's 7.0 goal, that the appropriate credit is giving. This is funny. They copy hundreds of BLFS pages (verbatim, mind you) into the work at http://cblfs.cross-lfs.org/index.php/Main_Page and don't mention

Re: Mailing lists archives

2008-12-06 Thread Randy McMurchy
Dan Nicholson wrote: On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 12:37 PM, William Harrington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Everybody, Is there any way to get some of the archives from the mailing lists? They are all error 403 right now. I could be wrong, but I think Gerard disabled the archives because

Re: Future LFS 7.x Plans

2008-12-06 Thread Randy McMurchy
Jeremy Huntwork wrote: Can we please put aside the egos and pointing fingers and work together to reach the common goal? Absolutely. More than anything, I got a chuckle this morning reading this thread and ended up posting something that was actually just me thinking out loud. I apologize

Re: Is LFS 6.4 ready for release?

2008-11-12 Thread Randy McMurchy
Bruce Dubbs wrote: I don't know of any outstanding issues except the GMP issue with some combinations of hardware and CFLAGS setting. Although we recommend not using CFLAGS, that could be addressed with a note. It has not even been one week since the RC1. I don't think that is enough time.

Re: Version in glibc

2008-11-12 Thread Randy McMurchy
Ken Moffat wrote: #define RELEASE stable -#define VERSION 2.8 +#define VERSION 2.8-20080929-LFS [snip] Is there any interest in doing something like this ? I like it except the -LFS. As we don't modify it one bit, why add the LFS? It is a stock weekly tarball unmodified. I don't think LFS

Re: wget/download utility

2008-11-06 Thread Randy McMurchy
Rob Thornton wrote these words on 11/06/08 17:52 CST: There may be good reason for this but after building LFS for the 3rd time, I've come to realize there's no direct method of building BLFS packages with the final LFS system. No method for downloading packages exist if you're not building

Re: Linux API Headers

2008-10-26 Thread Randy McMurchy
Bruce Dubbs wrote these words on 10/26/08 14:12 CST: Why do we do: make INSTALL_HDR_PATH=dest headers_install cp -rv dest/include/* /usr/include instead of: make INSTALL_HDR_PATH=/usr/include headers_install I just asked that question a week ago! (and was answered) Anyway, it's

Re: Linux API Headers

2008-10-26 Thread Randy McMurchy
Bruce Dubbs wrote these words on 10/26/08 14:28 CST: OK. I'll add a sentence to explain that. Would you go ahead and assign yourself ticket #2167 as well? ( http://wiki.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/ticket/2167 ) -- Randy rmlinux: [bogomips 3992.15] [GNU ld version 2.17] [gcc (GCC) 4.1.2] [GNU C

Re: Linux API Headers

2008-10-26 Thread Randy McMurchy
Jeremy Huntwork wrote these words on 10/26/08 14:34 CST: Before you go changing anything, see here: I didn't mean Bruce should actually change anything. My response was more on the technical side in that if it *were* changed, the end result of someone following the book would be identical to

Re: ICA/Farce

2008-10-26 Thread Randy McMurchy
Bruce Dubbs wrote these words on 10/26/08 16:32 CST: Greg Schafer wrote: I've never looked at jhalfs but I understand it implements my ICA algorithms. My own scripts have been getting exceptionally clean results lately now that the randomness in GCC builds has apparently gone as of GCC 4.3.

Re: Findutils-4.4.0 testsuite failure (r8685)

2008-10-21 Thread Randy McMurchy
Matthew Burgess wrote these words on 10/21/08 12:39 CST: Done, #2257. Targetted for 6.4. This ticket is a duplicate of #2240. I've closed #2257 and have had #2240 assigned to me. I'll be updating the book and closing all my tickets as soon as my current build finishes, and I've built a few

Re: New Linux Headers method

2008-10-17 Thread Randy McMurchy
Jeremy Huntwork wrote: There is a problem, however. The script uses open() but with 3 arguments instead of 2. From what I've found so far, this change in syntax was introduced in perl-5.8.0, so the installation of Linux Headers fails if the host's version of perl is 5.8.0. I'm

Patch-2.5.9

2008-10-13 Thread Randy McMurchy
[ from http://wiki.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/ticket/2239 ] #2239: patch-2.5.9 Comment (by [EMAIL PROTECTED]): It used to be on the Gnu alpha site: http://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/ but is no longer there. The only place I can find it is:

Re: Udev Rules

2008-10-13 Thread Randy McMurchy
Matthew Burgess wrote: I'd prefer to follow upstream and put the Udev supplied default rules in /lib/udev/rules.d. Bruce Dubbs wrote: I say keep them in /etc. Do we flip a coin? :-) Actually, I lean towards /lib/udev and I believe DJ and Dan do as well. Does this sort of make it a

Chapter 6 Coreutils installation

2008-10-12 Thread Randy McMurchy
Hi all, Just to satisfy my curiosity, why do we have the Coreutils installation so far up in the build order in Chapter 6? Is there a Coreutils binary that won't operate correctly from /tools/bin? Perhaps the chroot command? No big deal, just wondering if anyone knows. -- Randy --

Shadows 'groupmems' program segfaults

2008-10-12 Thread Randy McMurchy
Hi all, I don't consider this a big issue, but want to throw it out there. I noticed when I ran the new Shadow 'groupmems' program, it segfaults. I didn't think to much about it at the time as this program is new to Shadow and the man page says you must create a special group and set the program

Re: A little problem in lfs-book

2008-10-12 Thread Randy McMurchy
Jean-Philippe MENGUAL wrote these words on 10/12/08 11:20 CST: I followed the lfs updates via lfs-book. But in archives (and in my mailbox), revisions go from r8593 to r8595, without r8594. And when I study r8595, I see something happent in r8594. Is there a way to see what happent? what are

Re: Chapter 6 Coreutils installation

2008-10-12 Thread Randy McMurchy
Robert Connolly wrote these words on 10/12/08 11:27 CST: There may not be a technical reason for installing Coreutils early, just that it's one of the most heavily used packages. I know there was much work put into rearranging the build order of the various packages so that as much as

Re: Chapter 6 Coreutils installation

2008-10-12 Thread Randy McMurchy
Dan Nicholson wrote these words on 10/12/08 11:46 CST: Usually the reason is because the path to the tools gets built into another script/program. In the dependencies appendix, it says that sed must be built before e2fsprogs. I think it's mk_cmds that hardcodes the location of sed, but that's

Re: Shadows 'groupmems' program segfaults

2008-10-12 Thread Randy McMurchy
Robert Connolly wrote: As root, I tried every 'groupmems' option, and they all work. I'm using shadow-4.1.2.1, glibc-2.8-20080908, binutils-2.18.50.0.9, and gcc-4.2.5-20080903. I cannot reproduce the segfault. Not sure why. Strange. One thing that needs to be reported upstream, however.

Bootscripts and Udev-config

2008-10-12 Thread Randy McMurchy
Hi all, Mostly a question for DJ, but FYI for everyone else. I noticed in your experimental book you use an updated version of the bootscripts. Does SVN need to be updated as well? I know you and Dan did some stuff for the LSB side of things, but not sure if SVN needs to be updated. Probably

Re: r8651 - in trunk/BOOK: chapter01 chapter06

2008-10-12 Thread Randy McMurchy
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Author: dj Date: 2008-10-12 13:04:50 -0600 (Sun, 12 Oct 2008) New Revision: 8651 Modified: trunk/BOOK/chapter01/changelog.xml trunk/BOOK/chapter06/iproute2.xml Log: Removed broken move in iproute2 commands. DJ, there's much more broken than just that. The

Re: Making the LFS System Bootable

2008-10-12 Thread Randy McMurchy
[cc'ing to LFS-Dev] Wolfgang Messingschlager wrote: I suggest before issuing within grub setup (hd0) the file /boot/grub/menu.lst should be created. This is much safer, because it can happen that the system crashes between overwriting the MBT and creating /boot/grub/menu.lst. What

Re: Making the LFS System Bootable

2008-10-12 Thread Randy McMurchy
Trent Shea wrote: On Sunday 12 October 2008 14:11:49 Trent Shea wrote: I wouldn't want to start altering instructions to reflect possible scenarios though. Well, still... It feels odd that we would be worried about the system crashing at this point (ie. the last thing we are doing:).

Udev Rules

2008-10-12 Thread Randy McMurchy
Hi all, There was a ticket opened, and since closed as invalid that some Udev rules belong in /lib/udev instead of /etc/udev. To me, Udev rules are configuration items and belong in /etc, but that's just my opinion. There was a mention (not sure how valid it is) that the Udev maintainers

Re: Udev Rules

2008-10-12 Thread Randy McMurchy
DJ Lucas wrote: Sorry...already reopened as I didn't see Bruce's comment about closing it. Closed it again. Well anyway, Dan posted a link to the conversation upstream. http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.hotplug.devel/12895 Bottom line, it is still left to opinion for now.

Re: Using the 'readlink' command

2008-10-11 Thread Randy McMurchy
DJ Lucas wrote: Randy McMurchy wrote: I used the readlink command in the Udev instructions to move the .so files to /usr/lib as they are initially installed in /lib. Credit Dan Nicholson for the initial work on this change. This was started in BLFS and I believe it to be the right direction

Re: Udev test suite

2008-10-11 Thread Randy McMurchy
Bruce Dubbs wrote: I noted that it didn't do anything too. I suppose we need to now add: This package does not come with a test suite. That was done during the package update. :-) -- Randy -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/faq/

Linux Headers Installation

2008-10-11 Thread Randy McMurchy
Hi all, There's a minor ticket about explaining what the installation commands in the Linux Headers installation do, and it occurred to me that is it possible that there's a redundant step? Here's the existing commands (with my comments for the book inserted as well): First ensure the source

Re: Does the M4 package need to be identified as a host requirement?

2008-10-11 Thread Randy McMurchy
DJ Lucas wrote: Randy McMurchy wrote: Jeremy Huntwork wrote these words on 10/06/08 10:45 CST: I would think that adding it to the Host Requirements page would be slightly preferable. Here's my thinking: We already have bison as a host req. Bison depends on m4, so most distros I know

Re: Linux Headers Installation

2008-10-11 Thread Randy McMurchy
Reece Dunn wrote: I asked this question on 21/11/2007 (Linux Headers question [http://linuxfromscratch.org/pipermail/lfs-dev/2007-November/060618.html]), which likely resulted in that ticket item. I got essentially the same response from Thomas Trepl and Mark Rosenstand: Thomas Trepl

Time for some football :-) (off-topic)

2008-10-11 Thread Randy McMurchy
Hi all, I'm probably off-line the rest of the night as my son is playing in a college football game on TV and it's about to start. I'm going to sit back, relax and watch it. -- Randy -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/faq/ Unsubscribe:

Re: [LFS Trac] #2056: Consider using --disable-shared for gcc pass 1

2008-10-11 Thread Randy McMurchy
LFS Trac wrote: #2056: Consider using --disable-shared for gcc pass 1 +--- Reporter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |Owner: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Type: enhancement | Status: closed

Udev test suite

2008-10-10 Thread Randy McMurchy
Hi all, Starting in version 126 of Udev, the test directory including the udev-test.pl test file no longer ships in the tarball. Though DJ's instructions for version 126 does indeed change the 'make test' to 'make check', 'make check' does nothing. I've been looking over the udev mailing list

Using the 'readlink' command

2008-10-10 Thread Randy McMurchy
Hi all, I used the readlink command in the Udev instructions to move the .so files to /usr/lib as they are initially installed in /lib. Credit Dan Nicholson for the initial work on this change. This was started in BLFS and I believe it to be the right direction to go. This has benefits, and

Problems with 'file --exclude troff'

2008-10-09 Thread Randy McMurchy
Hi all, I'm new to this list but I searched the archives for anything that might be related to the issue I'm about to describe and couldn't find anything so I thought I'd bring it up here. It was brought to my attention that sometime after the 4.23 release the -e (--exclude) parameter did not

[Fwd: Re: Problems with 'file --exclude troff']

2008-10-09 Thread Randy McMurchy
PROTECTED] CC: LFS Development lfs-dev@linuxfromscratch.org On Oct 9, 3:04am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Randy McMurchy) wrote: -- Subject: Problems with 'file --exclude troff' [snip my message to the list] Well, both the fortran test and the troff test have been converted to soft tests. I have removed

Re: [Fwd: Re: Problems with 'file --exclude troff']

2008-10-09 Thread Randy McMurchy
Randy McMurchy wrote: This means that the troff test in the File package is not broken. I see no reason to update to the latest version. That should be: I see no reason to *not* update to the latest version. -- Randy -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-dev FAQ: http

Shadow update

2008-10-09 Thread Randy McMurchy
Hi all, I made many, many changes to the Shadow package during the update to the most recent version. I like the changes, but I encourage everyone that can to render the book and look at it. If you can't render it, it will be available tomorrow in the SVN book. If there are problems or

Re: New personal experimental book

2008-10-08 Thread Randy McMurchy
DJ Lucas wrote: Roll back to file-4.21. The newer versions of file do not display the character set if type is text/troff Well, that is a separate issue. File is still broken (either 4.21 with illogical guessing at the character encoding of text files, or 4.25 with non-working -e

Re: New personal experimental book

2008-10-08 Thread Randy McMurchy
DJ Lucas wrote: I reverted to 4.23. I never got a chance to see if 4.26 worked. In 4.25, the -e (exclude) switch is broken, both long an short options do not work. Yes, I've confirmed that. However, only *parts* of the -e switch are broken. And I see in the code why. I actually was able

Re: New personal experimental book

2008-10-08 Thread Randy McMurchy
Randy McMurchy wrote: I actually was able to patch the file.c source and things work again. If anyone is interested in looking at or testing the patch, here it is (it's also in the repo): Submitted By:Randy McMurchy randy_at_linuxfromscratch_dot_org Date:2008-10

Final Updates

2008-10-08 Thread Randy McMurchy
Hi all, Sorry about not getting these final few package updates in the book. Real Life got in the way a little bit. I should have it all done by this evening, however. -- Randy -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/faq/ Unsubscribe: See

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