Re: Users and Groups

2006-04-22 Thread Richard A Downing FBCS CITP
Joe Ciccone wrote: I put this page together with the users and groups from LFS and BLFS. The only addition I made to this page is a users groups with a gid of 100. Anyone that wants to set something in stone, this would be a good place to start.

Moderation.

2006-04-20 Thread Richard A Downing FBCS CITP
Isn't it good since the subscribe-only policy came in. I really like this. I'm really sending this to see if gmane posting works, so please don't moderate it through. R. -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/faq/ Unsubscribe: See the above

LFS Counter

2006-03-16 Thread Richard A Downing
The Cross-LFS book says to go and register with the LFS counter. If Cross-lfs is your first LFS, then you can't choose an appropriate version! The Cross-lfs and HLFS versions need to be put in the list. R. -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-dev FAQ:

Re: K3b Installation

2006-03-15 Thread Richard A Downing
Randy McMurchy wrote: Hi all, Hopefully the name of the two different threads is not so similar that it looks to all as one thread. :-) I'm adding K3b to the book. Some preliminary testing has shown that it will work when installed in a prefix other than $KDE_PREFIX. Note that this is

Re: KDE Installation

2006-03-15 Thread Richard A Downing
Randy McMurchy wrote: Hi all, ./configure --prefix=$(kde-config --prefix) Thoughts? Neat. I like it. R. -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/blfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page

[Fwd: [llh-announce] [ANNOUNCE] linux-libc-headers dead]

2006-03-14 Thread Richard A Downing FBCS CITP
Well, that's that then. Over to you Jim, mate. R. -- Richard A Downing FBCS CITP http://www.langside.org.uk PGP fingerprint: D682 49A5 7050 E781 229C A2F0 DE1F C040 DE78 53E8 ---BeginMessage--- LLH hasn't seen a new release for a lot more than six months now and up until today I hoped to get

Re: [Fwd: [llh-announce] [ANNOUNCE] linux-libc-headers dead]

2006-03-14 Thread Richard A Downing
Matthew Burgess wrote: Richard A Downing FBCS CITP wrote: Well, that's that then. Indeed :-( Thanks to you and George for forwarding the news on. My own naive take on this is that Jim and co. should aim towards getting the santizing script into a state suitable for review on LKML

Re: [LFS Trac] #684: Must re-evaluate package order then document the rationale.

2006-03-03 Thread Richard A Downing
Matthew Burgess wrote: Richard A Downing wrote: Jeremy Huntwork wrote: Nothing *depends* on vim, so leave it at the end. I depend on vim. Put it at the front. Only just :-) Actually, if we were to replace Vim with Emacs we could have the editor available early and retain

GPhoto2

2006-03-03 Thread Richard A Downing
I've written two wiki pages, Libgphoto2 and GPhoto2, as a start of set of packages on the general theme of Digital Photography. There doesn't seem to be a good place to link these into the index. What is suggested? Richard. -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/blfs-dev FAQ:

Re: [LFS Trac] #684: Must re-evaluate package order then document the rationale.

2006-03-03 Thread Richard A Downing
Jeremy Huntwork wrote: Nothing *depends* on vim, so leave it at the end. I depend on vim. Put it at the front. Only just :-) R. -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/faq/ Unsubscribe: See the above information page

Re: su -c

2006-03-02 Thread Richard A Downing
Gerard Beekmans wrote: Maybe someone should pull the CVS and build it to see if this issue is resolved. Depending on the outcome of this testing, we'll want to discuss now if we want to downgrade shadow back to 4.0.13, or wait for its next release if there is a known release date. If

su -c

2006-03-01 Thread Richard A Downing
I just built the cross-lfs book, and noticed that the version of su installed comes from shadow. This version doesn't support -c, which IMO makes it useless. The version built in coreutils is the one I'm used to. Which version would SVN build? And after alphabering it? I never build PAM,

Re: su -c

2006-03-01 Thread Richard A Downing
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Richard, I'm at work at the moment so can't reply on list. Shadow's 'su' is documented to support the '-c' parameter, at least in man/su/su.1.xml. I'm pretty certain I've used 'su -c' before now on my LFS box, and we've used shadow's 'su' for as long as I can

Re: su -c

2006-03-01 Thread Richard A Downing
Richard A Downing wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Richard, I'm at work at the moment so can't reply on list. Shadow's 'su' is documented to support the '-c' parameter, at least in man/su/su.1.xml. I'm pretty certain I've used 'su -c' before now on my LFS box, and we've used shadow's 'su

Re: su -c

2006-03-01 Thread Richard A Downing
Gerard Beekmans wrote: Richard A Downing wrote: I just built the cross-lfs book, and noticed that the version of su installed comes from shadow. This version doesn't support -c, which IMO makes it useless. The version built in coreutils is the one I'm used to. The shadow version of su

Re: Leaving LFS for a while

2006-02-26 Thread Richard A Downing
William Harrington wrote: Howdy folks, Well the dreaded day has arrived and I shall be deployed overseas. I will be active march 2nd and should last around 416 days. Maybe who knows... Later everyone! Don't fight while I'm gone. LFS don't kill people! People kill people!

Re: Udev_update branch: /dev/pts and /dev/shm directories not created

2006-02-20 Thread Richard A Downing
Bryan Kadzban wrote: ACTION==add, SUBSYSTEM==?* MODALIAS==?*, RUN+=/sbin/modprobe ${modalias} Thanks Brian. I understood that. Unfortunately changing the rules didn't fix my problem. Nothing loads the modules. So I guess I must have a typo somewhere else. I tried Jim Gifford's Cross-lfs

Re: Udev_update branch: /dev/pts and /dev/shm directories not created

2006-02-20 Thread Richard A Downing
Bryan Kadzban wrote: Richard A Downing wrote: I tried Jim Gifford's Cross-lfs udev patches, and they work fine, so that's what I'm going with for now. I'm not familiar with these patches, and I can't seem to find them in the (x86 at least) cross-lfs book. Where are they? Seeing

Re: Udev_update branch: /dev/pts and /dev/shm directories not created

2006-02-19 Thread Richard A Downing
Matthew Burgess wrote: Richard A Downing wrote: However since mine is a a non-branch SVN converted to Udev (no hotplug) I may have missed something. One immediate thought. Did you update the rules file to follow what's in the udev branch? i.e. remove the callouts to run_udevd

Re: Udev_update branch: /dev/pts and /dev/shm directories not created

2006-02-18 Thread Richard A Downing
DJ Lucas wrote: The directories shm and pts are not created automagically in /dev anymore. I just realized, however, that I have no idea how they had come to exist before. Using 2.6.15.4 and udev-084. In the udev instructions, add 'mkdir /lib/udev/devices/{shm,pts}' to the first instruction

Re: Udev_update branch: /dev/pts and /dev/shm directories not created

2006-02-18 Thread Richard A Downing
Dan Nicholson wrote: On 2/18/06, Matthew Burgess [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alternatively, what purpose does populating /dev do at this stage? Does something we build later on actually require devices in there that we haven't yet got available to us? Hi Matt, Glad to hear some news on the

Re: Goodbye Randy [Was: Re: Trac Ticket System vs. Bugzilla]

2006-02-13 Thread Richard A Downing
Jeremy Huntwork wrote: Randy McMurchy wrote: stuff. I don't normally like quoting scripture here but these are serious times: Matthew 18:21 Richard. -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/faq/ Unsubscribe: See the above information page

Re: The Secret Cause of Flame Wars

2006-02-13 Thread Richard A Downing
Jens Olav Nygaard wrote: Jeremy Huntwork wrote: Dan Nicholson wrote: On 2/13/06, Bruce Dubbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,70179-0.html?tw=wn_index_2 Nah, it's fat bastards that cause flame wars. I once sent the Head of HR in my old firm a very aggressive

Re: Use of words in Udev_update

2006-02-08 Thread Richard A Downing
Matthew Burgess wrote: Richard A Downing wrote: I hadn't been following this branch, but decided that this is the next important leap forward for Linux-kind - getting rid of hotpig, I mean, so I am now in class and paying attention. OK then, your homework assignment is to proof-read

Re: Use of words in Udev_update

2006-02-07 Thread Richard A Downing
On Tue, 07 Feb 2006 19:31:03 + Matthew Burgess [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (or am I missing a sarcasm-detection plugin) That, along with my attention deficit disorder (which is why I can't stand long sentences). :-) I hadn't been following this branch, but decided that this is the next

Use of words in Udev_update

2006-02-06 Thread Richard A Downing
The excellent page 7.4 on Device and Module Handling on an LFS System has a minor wording difficulty for me. In 7.4.4 the sentence A kernel driver may not export its data to sysfs. means that a kernel driver is not allowed, by some unspecified rules, to export its data to sysfs. What I think

Re: ImplementingTrac - Logo

2006-01-24 Thread Richard A Downing
On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 00:36:34 -0600 Randy McMurchy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter Ennis wrote these words on 01/24/06 00:23 CST: This may well be the case, but many people will view the site using this particular non-standard, whether or not they are a target audience. If it looks bad

Re: ImplementingTrac - Logo

2006-01-24 Thread Richard A Downing
Sorry, I tried to stop this getting out with the attachment. Not quick enough! R. -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/faq/ Unsubscribe: See the above information page

Re: RFC: Implementing Trac [long]

2006-01-23 Thread Richard A Downing
On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 19:25:36 -0500 Jeremy Huntwork [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matthew Burgess wrote: immediately though, of course. I think another two weeks of testing by *all* members of the community, be they developers or our beloved users, is still necessary to ensure we can all make

Re: RFC: Implementing Trac [long]

2006-01-23 Thread Richard A Downing
On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 08:29:27 -0500 Jeremy Huntwork [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Richard A Downing wrote: I have a login ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) for BLFS which I know the password (and checked it with Bogzilla), but trac doesn't let me log in. Or perhaps you're just picking on me! (:-) R

Re: Santized Kernel Headers

2006-01-22 Thread Richard A Downing
On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 22:38:32 -0800 Jim Gifford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think we all have come to realization that LLH headers are not coming out. So I've been checking into how to make these headers. So I'm asking everyone's opinion on this before I pursue this task. Well done Jim, someone

Re: Santized Kernel Headers

2006-01-22 Thread Richard A Downing
On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 22:39:52 +1100 Greg Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do we want use 2.4 headers with patches, like the distro's? (NO!, may loose some 2.6 ABI functionality) Amazingly, this is what the distro with the most Linux professionals working for it does (ie: RH/Fedora). Ask

Re: [Fwd: Re: UTF-8]

2006-01-21 Thread Richard A Downing
On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 12:34:39 + Matthew Burgess [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alexander E. Patrakov wrote: The problem is that I no longer want UTF-8 in trunk. Well, I do. I consider it a bug that we can't cater for folk wanting to use UTF-8 locales without breaking groff, man, grep, etc.

Re: UTF-8

2006-01-20 Thread Richard A Downing
On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 06:34:20 -0800 Dan Nicholson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/20/06, Alexander E. Patrakov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unfortunately, this broke jhalfs, because it assumes that the book has to be followed in the linear way. Further patches will not be provided until a

Re: UTF-8

2006-01-20 Thread Richard A Downing
On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 08:49:56 -0800 Jim Gifford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please reply to both lists Jim, Cross-lfs is not on gmane. Can you get it on there please, then I'll monitor it. I don't do mailing lists anymore. R. -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-dev FAQ:

Re: куплю б/у автомобиль

2006-01-18 Thread Richard A Downing
On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 14:27:42 +0500 Alexander E. Patrakov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Richard A Downing wrote: On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 15:50:04 -0500 Waywardness D. Norma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (spam) Way to go, Alexander! I actually get Cyrillic in Sylpheed-claws on this UTF-8

Re: куплю б/у автомобиль

2006-01-18 Thread Richard A Downing
On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 16:50:23 +0500 Alexander E. Patrakov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Richard A Downing wrote: On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 14:27:42 +0500 Alexander E. Patrakov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's in fact very strange that you couldn't render foreign spam in your old LFS. This might

Re: Perl failing test 87

2006-01-16 Thread Richard A Downing
On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 19:05:39 -0500 Jeremy Huntwork [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Richard A Downing wrote: I edited the perl file in commands and removed the make test! Then rerun. Cheating, I know. And I hope by re-run you meant that you did something like this: 'cd /mnt/lfs/jhalfs rm

Re: Perl failing test 87

2006-01-16 Thread Richard A Downing
On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 12:27:06 + (GMT) Ken Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 16 Jan 2006, David Mascall wrote: I wonder why this only occurs under jhalfs ? I cant find any reports of this error from people building current SVN non-jhalfs. snip More generally, the number of

Re: куплю б/у автомобиль

2006-01-16 Thread Richard A Downing
On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 15:50:04 -0500 Waywardness D. Norma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: П о к у п а е м б/у а в т о м о б и л и отечественного, японского , американского , европейского и др. производителей , джипы , минивены , легковые и автобусы, в любом техническом

Re: Perl failing test 87

2006-01-15 Thread Richard A Downing
On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 21:27:26 + David Mascall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Richard A Downing wrote: Perl is now failing on my jhalfs build of SVN at ext/DB_File/t/db-recno, Test 87. Probably something to do with db? Or is it me? You are not alone - I'm getting the same error

Re: List of package urls

2006-01-15 Thread Richard A Downing
On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 21:40:26 + Matthew Burgess [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Randy McMurchy wrote: Why is it that the package URL is not listed, but only the location where it *should* be? snip So, why not just list the package URL? Short answer...it's a historical oversight, I

Re: Perl failing test 87

2006-01-15 Thread Richard A Downing
On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 22:10:45 + David Mascall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Richard A Downing wrote: On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 21:27:26 + David Mascall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Richard A Downing wrote: Perl is now failing on my jhalfs build of SVN at ext/DB_File/t/db-recno

Perl failing test 87

2006-01-14 Thread Richard A Downing
Perl is now failing on my jhalfs build of SVN at ext/DB_File/t/db-recno, Test 87. Probably something to do with db? Or is it me? R. -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/faq/ Unsubscribe: See the above information page

Dependencies LFS-BLFS (was Re: UTF8 nitpicks)

2006-01-10 Thread Richard A Downing
On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 07:25:45 -0600 Randy McMurchy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Richard A Downing wrote these words on 01/10/06 03:26 CST: On Mon, 09 Jan 2006 18:10:04 -0600 Randy McMurchy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The BDB dependencies have already been removed from SVN BLFS. pity. Well

Re: Dependencies LFS-BLFS (was Re: UTF8 nitpicks)

2006-01-10 Thread Richard A Downing
On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:40:35 + Richard A Downing [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 07:25:45 -0600 Randy McMurchy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Richard A Downing wrote these words on 01/10/06 03:26 CST: Perhaps I'm in a minority, but I would really quite like to see dependencies

Later Versions

2006-01-08 Thread Richard A Downing
I was reading one of the mailings about stable and unstable versions... You know, in almost five years of doing this LFS stuff, I have never once actually NEEDED a later version of an LFS package. OK, when it arrived, the improvements were sometimes good, but I was never actually waiting for it.

Re: Jim's Udev package (part 3)

2006-01-07 Thread Richard A Downing
On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 11:22:53 -0800 Dan Nicholson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To both guys, Thanks for all the hard work on the hardware issues. I promise it is appreciated by others on the list whether they're vocal about it or not. I don't think I'm alone when I say that I'm eager to see how

Re: Man-DB and Berkeley DB

2006-01-07 Thread Richard A Downing
On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 20:09:47 +0500 Alexander E. Patrakov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Richard A Downing wrote: Can someone point me to the discussion thread that decided this change of man package? I want to review the reasons to make my own decision on it. There was no discussion thread

Man-DB, BDB --compat-1.85

2006-01-07 Thread Richard A Downing
I noticed that this switch is in the LFS book for BerkyDB, I haven't built that for some time (when something says it needs a DB that I'm testing). Does Man-DB need this? I'm amazed if it does - the rationale for using it is that it's maintained and modern and handles all sorts of UTF-8 stuff.

Re: Man-DB, BDB --compat-1.85

2006-01-07 Thread Richard A Downing
On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 13:37:49 -0600 Randy McMurchy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Richard A Downing wrote these words on 01/07/06 13:26 CST: I noticed that this switch is in the LFS book for BerkyDB, I haven't built that for some time (when something says it needs a DB that I'm testing

Re: Can ncurses be removed from Chapter 5?

2006-01-02 Thread Richard A Downing
On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 15:51:01 -0500 Chris Staub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm just looking for ways to reduce the temp-system in /tools as much as possible. I've built LFS systems before without having ncurses there and it works fine. I believe the only issue is texinfo - many programs in

Re: UTF-8 book is ready for merging

2005-12-28 Thread Richard A Downing
On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 13:04:13 + Matthew Burgess [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks very much for all your hard work on this Alexander. Da. +1. -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/faq/ Unsubscribe: See the above information page

Re: Community discussion: including any devel-tools in LFS Chap. 6

2005-12-21 Thread Richard A Downing
On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 17:06:53 +0100 Feldmeier Bernd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you call this that way ok. But marking some packs as optional that is really educational in my mind. The user can decide wether to include that not essential stuff like devel-packs ... Bernd, We've all

Re: Reference to the LiveCD in BLFS

2005-12-11 Thread Richard A Downing
On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 13:13:37 -0500 Jeremy Huntwork [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Randy McMurchy wrote: It's not that no one has anything to say, it is probably the fact that the author of that text is the only one qualified to say anything. Alright, well thanks for that, Randy. That's

Re: New BLFS Editor

2005-12-07 Thread Richard A Downing
On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 10:37:32 -0600 Bruce Dubbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would like to announce Andy Benton as a new BLFS Editor. Andy has been a long time participant in the BLFS project and brings a lot of skill and enthusiasm to the project. Please help me in welcoming Andy to the team.

Re: New BLFS Editor

2005-12-07 Thread Richard A Downing
On Wed, 7 Dec 2005 19:33:07 +0200 Ag Hatzim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hate when the people leave. Please Bruce ignore him. Ag, It's old news. I didn't leave, just stopped wanting to be an editor. I'm still here 'putting my oar in' on the inappropriate occasion. Bruce already did the

Re: FC4 as a host [Was: Re: file format not recognized from ld right from the start????]

2005-12-01 Thread Richard A Downing
On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 10:04:50 -0500 Jeremy Huntwork [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andrew Benton wrote: Bing. You hit the nail on the head there. As Richard said, Fedora Core 4 isn't a suitable distro to build the stable version of the book. It should work OK for the development version but

Re: Post LFS-6.1.1 plans

2005-11-27 Thread Richard A Downing
On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 20:37:44 -0700 Archaic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The target audience of this book has fallen drastically, and my one shot in the dark request for trunk would be to rip out a lot of the text that is currently in it and take it back down to circa the 3.0 days when it had all

Re: Hand holding (Was: Re: Post LFS-6.1.1 plans)

2005-11-27 Thread Richard A Downing
On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 09:54:31 -0500 Jeremy Huntwork [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gueven Bay wrote: Hi dear LFS devs, I am one of the - I think - many silent readers of LFS-dev. Normally I only read to gain insight how you develop (or better: write) the book but now I want to write some

Re: Post LFS-6.1.1 plans

2005-11-26 Thread Richard A Downing
On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 11:35:50 -0600 Randy McMurchy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Furthermore, if you start thinking about packages to pull from LFS, then you need to start looking at Perl as well. Where do you stop? True. However Perl used to be needed for GCC tests to run (IIRC). We DO need to

Re: Post LFS-6.1.1 plans

2005-11-25 Thread Richard A Downing
On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 21:51:02 -0600 Bruce Dubbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Randy McMurchy wrote: Jeremy Huntwork wrote these words on 11/24/05 21:23 CST: It is a mystery why Unix admins who wouldn't even trust their employer with more than a normal user account carelessly execute complex and

Re: Post LFS-6.1.1 plans

2005-11-24 Thread Richard A Downing
On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 21:58:24 -0500 Jeremy Huntwork [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is kind of a brave request, and I'm fully prepared to be shot down. In fact, I think I'd be surprised if the group went for it. ;) However after thinking about this for some time, I'm going to venture a request

Re: User IDs and Group IDs

2005-11-23 Thread Richard A Downing
On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 20:28:27 + Matthew Burgess [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Murphy's law being as it is, the moment we add such a message to the book, an updated version of LLH will be released and make it immediately out of date! Anyone tried asking the llh devs about their plans? --

No longer an editor

2005-11-22 Thread Richard A Downing
Bruce (et al), I no longer wish to be an editor of the BLFS book. Richard. -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/blfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page

Re: User IDs and Group IDs

2005-11-22 Thread Richard A Downing
On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 11:34:45 -0700 Gerard Beekmans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guys, There seems to be some issues relating UIDs and GIDs especially between BLFS and CLFS. I'm not going to point the finger whose fault this is and I don't care about personal issues as I have noticed things

Re: User IDs and Group IDs

2005-11-22 Thread Richard A Downing
On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 16:09:45 -0700 Gerard Beekmans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Richard A Downing wrote: Gerard suddenly discovered that, in his long absence, the LFS projects have got away from him and went looking for an 'issue' so as to re-establish his authorty. Richard, I am

Re: User IDs and Group IDs

2005-11-22 Thread Richard A Downing
On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 16:26:02 -0700 Gerard Beekmans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I read all the lists (I think, I didn't check for new ones recently). I have not seen this on lfs-dev or blfs-dev. Which lists? cross-lfs Damn it, there would be one! I didn't notice that cross-lfs had it's own

Re: Users reentering chroot and continuing

2005-11-18 Thread Richard A Downing
On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 09:43:13 -0600 Bruce Dubbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Richard A Downing wrote: How about someone writing a 'chroot-script', and including it somewhere in the book. Of course, you'd need two of them. Take a look at the source for jhalfs. They do a very nice job

Re: Users reentering chroot and continuing

2005-11-17 Thread Richard A Downing
On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 19:30:44 -0600 William Harrington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, There has been a high amount of traffic related to the chroot environment of chapter 6. It would be great if we could tie people down, force their eyelids open, and make them read! However, that

Re: LFS-Bootscripts-3.2.1 setclock

2005-11-03 Thread Richard A Downing
On Thu, 3 Nov 2005 01:28:11 -0700 Archaic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Nov 03, 2005 at 05:58:51AM -0100, Duncan Webb wrote: Now that we're no longer in summer time in the Makefile for LFS-Bootscripts-3.2.1 there are no rules to install setclock during a reboot or shutdown. So the

Re: config.site questions

2005-11-02 Thread Richard A Downing
On Tue, 1 Nov 2005 20:28:40 -0500 (GMT+5) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doesn't anyone read the documentation anymore? :) I can understand needing to teach them about configure... One big problem for new Linux friends, and indeed for new users of most large programs, it the wealth of

Re: config.site

2005-10-31 Thread Richard A Downing
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 30 Oct 2005, Dan Nicholson wrote: Because the current way has symlinks /usr/man - /usr/share/man, etc. It would be nice to get rid of these depending on how picky you are. Why don't we just have a regular /usr/man directory? Why get rid of them at all?

Re: ALSA modules and restore volumes

2005-10-25 Thread Richard A Downing
Matthew Burgess wrote: Dan Nicholson wrote: If anything is written, I'd be glad to peruse it and give an opinion as someone who still has only the loosest grasp of how the hardware is set up. Well, I've written some notes up on this, though they're not entirely accurate.

Re: GTK+ deps

2005-10-16 Thread Richard A Downing
Matthew Burgess wrote: Richard A Downing wrote: I just noticed that gtk+-2.8.6 doesn't say it needs glib-2.8.3 or am I missing something here? blfs-dev, perhaps? :) Damn, I used one of those infernal cross-posted mailsing to pick the To:! Sorry. R. -- http://linuxfromscratch.org

Re: GTK+ deps

2005-10-16 Thread Richard A Downing
Randy McMurchy wrote: Richard A Downing wrote these words on 10/16/05 04:39 CST: I just noticed that gtk+-2.8.6 doesn't say it needs glib-2.8.3 or am I missing something here? I'm sure it used to be a required dep. GTK+ requires Pango, which requires GLib. It still is a required

Re: NTP bootscript causes long boot-times

2005-09-24 Thread Richard A Downing
Andrew Benton wrote: Matthew Burgess wrote: I think the solution is to move the initial time-sync operation out of the bootscript and into the configuration section of NTP (obviously with enough explanation as to why we need to do this and why it should be a one-time operation, but faulty

Re: Time to remove hotplug?

2005-09-19 Thread Richard A Downing
Matthew Burgess wrote: Incidentally, I'd love for someone to draw a nice looking graphic to show how kernel events, udev, hotplug, modules, etc. are all related and how they function together. If a similar graphic could be drawn without the hotplug component in there, a direct comparison

Re: New coreutils uname patch

2005-09-17 Thread Richard A Downing
Matthew Burgess wrote: == [coreutils-5.2.1 + current LFS patch]: bash-3.00# uname -i i386 bash-3.00# uname -p athlon-4 bash-3.00# uname -a Linux kyoto 2.6.10-5-386 #1 Thu Sep 8 06:18:41 UTC 2005 i686 athlon-4 i386 GNU/Linux == This is

Re: [RFC] Udev configuration changes

2005-09-14 Thread Richard A Downing
Matthew Burgess wrote: Hi guys, Archaic and I have put our heads together to try and come up with a more reasonable set of Udev rules. These are based on the following criteria: 1) If a device needs packages outside those installed by LFS then don't include a rule for it. (e.g. audio

Re: GTK-2.8.x

2005-09-13 Thread Richard A Downing
Randy McMurchy wrote: Richard A Downing wrote these words on 09/13/05 15:00 CST: I just got though building it on the GCC-4 system. It appears to work well. (gtk+-2.8.3/glib-2.8.1/pango-1.10.0/atk-1.10.1/cairo-1.0.0) Probably should have moved to ATK-1.10.3 as this is what the book

Recommended dependencies.

2005-08-28 Thread Richard A Downing
BZ #1564 Randy states the following: quote Closing this bug as invalid. PCRE is on the recommended dependency list. If a builder chooses not to follow our recommendations, then whatever happens is on the builder. Recommended = Do it The only reason it is in recommeneded instead of reqiured is

Re: Essential pre-reading link

2005-08-26 Thread Richard A Downing
Richard A Downing wrote: Jeremy Huntwork wrote: The LFS book(s) link to Richard's Essential Pre-Reading Hint in the Prerequisites section, as you may already be aware. The hint, in turn, mentions that there is a better maintained version at http://www.109bean.org.uk/lfsdocs/LFS-prereading.html

Re: Firefox and profile locking: Chapter 2

2005-08-24 Thread Richard A Downing
Randy McMurchy wrote: snip Please folks, comment on this as I would like to implement immediately. We'd really need a compelling reason why we don't change the existing instructions to use Archaic's method. I don't have time this week or next (family visiting) to investigate, but I trust you

Re: Changelog Format

2005-08-17 Thread Richard A Downing
Tushar Teredesai wrote: On 8/17/05, Richard A Downing [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I suggest LFS changes to this simplified form, although, as a non-editor, I don't really have a vote! :-) Additionally, if folks do find these fields useful, I propose moving them below the changelog entries

Re: Changelog Format

2005-08-17 Thread Richard A Downing
Matthew Burgess wrote: Richard A Downing wrote: I prefer a straight forward chronological list of changes without all the sections: Upgraded, Added and Removed. Proposals generally are better received when they contain rationale (and no, I prefer doesn't count!) :) It should do. I'm

Re: LFS Bootscripts [SOLVED]

2005-08-11 Thread Richard A Downing
Matthew Burgess wrote: Archaic wrote: That just seems silly. Warn was much nicer and still allowed things to proceed. Can we not still warn, but just leave the exit status as '0'. The spec (from the quote given) doesn't appear to forbid output, it just mandates what the exit status

Re: [RFC] Add CrackLib to Chapter 6 LFS

2005-08-05 Thread Richard A Downing
Tushar Teredesai wrote: The problem is that BLFS assumes that you have built *all* package in LFS. So if you skip a package, you are a pariah when you post to BLFS-support :-) That is one reason I don't prefer packages being added to LFS, it takes away the options. I don't follow this.

Re: [RFC] Add CrackLib to Chapter 6 LFS

2005-08-05 Thread Richard A Downing
Archaic wrote: On Fri, Aug 05, 2005 at 07:04:32AM +0100, Richard A Downing wrote: I don't follow this. Isn't blfs-support the place for all beyond LFS support questions. It's not limited to BLFS packages, so why should there be a 'complete' lfs assumption. Because the book assumes

Re: [RFC] Add CrackLib to Chapter 6 LFS

2005-08-05 Thread Richard A Downing
Archaic wrote: But back to the original pariah comment, when dealing with a dependency, it can cause a less than friendly response when, after several attempts at finding a solution, it is finally realized (or mentioned) that a necessary portion of LFS was excluded which would have solved the

Re: [RFC] On LFS' Package Selection Policy

2005-08-05 Thread Richard A Downing
Matthew Burgess wrote: Hi, During the recent thread on whether or not Cracklib should be introduced to LFS, the lack of an official policy on what criteria a package has to meet in order to be included in the book was highlighted. So, to correct that, I'm going to get the ball rolling

Re: [RFC] Add CrackLib to Chapter 6 LFS

2005-08-04 Thread Richard A Downing
Matthew Burgess wrote: Randy McMurchy wrote: However, LFS history has shown that we cannot count on such a document to become formalized. I'm not sure if a formal set of rules is in fact possible. If we consider the packages that are in the book at the moment, they can be broken down

Re: mozilla and enigmail

2005-08-03 Thread Richard A Downing
Randy McMurchy wrote: stirling wrote these words on 08/02/05 23:48 CST: enigmail and ipc need version bumps in the mozilla instructions to be consistent with the versions used for thunderbird: enigmail-0.92.0 ipc-1.1.3 Indeed. Mozdev shows these versions to be used with Mozilla-1.7.x

Re: GCC-4.0.1

2005-08-01 Thread Richard A Downing
Repost 'cos I didn't see it was the wrong list either... Randy McMurchy wrote: Hi all, I am going to begin building BLFS packages using GCC-4.0.1 and I'm looking for ideas on how to go about making whatever changes might be necessary to the package instructions available to the community.

Re: GCC-4.0.1

2005-08-01 Thread Richard A Downing
Matthew Burgess wrote: Richard A Downing wrote: http://cvs.fedora.redhat.com/viewcvs/devel/ That link is also mentioned on http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/read.html, now that we mention the various branches of LFS. Cheers, Matt. I just can't keep up with you lot... :-) R

NNTP Server

2005-07-29 Thread Richard A Downing
Is there any realistic expectation that the facility to write to the lists via the NNTP service will be fixed? There is also a suggestion that it might be withdrawn. I ask, since I'm updating the text in the BLFS book, and I want to accurately reflect the true situation. My current draft reads:

Re: New BLFS Editor

2005-07-29 Thread Richard A Downing
Thank you all for your good wishes. I shall endeavour to limit the damage I cause by, for instance, my tipografikal inexaktytudes. Richard. -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/faq/ Unsubscribe: See the above information page

Gone away....

2005-07-02 Thread Richard A Downing FBCS CITP
Well, the time has finally come to move house. I've been threatening to do it since February, but the realors, lawyers and bankers have finally got their act together and the men with the big truck will be here on Monday (my computers will go in my car, though). I have not been able to arrange a