[lfs-support] Grub Questions (or how to waist yet ... even more ... precious electrons)

2012-09-02 Thread alex lupu
Hi Bruce: Yes, you are right about the (HTML) client. If you remember (I'm trying to actually forget), after my flailing around with various emails and modes, in a series of back and forth posts you straighten me up about what is and how to use the best email/mode: Gmail in "Plain Text" Despite

Re: [lfs-support] Grub Questions (or how to waist yet ... even more ... precious electrons)

2012-09-02 Thread Bruce Dubbs
alex lupu wrote: > A post should have lines not greater than 79 characters. Yes, that's good, but many times what you see is due to the mail client. Often the client posts in HTML. For the most compatibility, it's much better to post in plain text only. Personally, I don't think there is e

[lfs-support] Grub Questions (or how to waist yet ... even more ... precious electrons)

2012-09-02 Thread alex lupu
Hi Mikie, I hate to toot my own horn, but I'm a teacher too. However, unlike you my specialty is posting so I'm volunteering my 1st lesson (to whet people's appetite to subscribe to my newsletter - for a small fee). Lesson #1 A post should have lines not greater than 79 characters. In other words

Re: [lfs-support] Grub Questions (or how to waist yet ... even more ... precious electrons)

2012-09-02 Thread Mikie
I promise you all I am responding because I really believe what I am about to say is very relevant to LFS and what LFS intends to do which is teach Linux. Before I make one more attempt to clarify I wanted to make a few statements to make sure my reply won't be misunderstood. I promise this will

Re: [lfs-support] Grub Questions (or how to waist yet ... even more ... precious electrons)

2012-09-02 Thread Eleanore Boyd
On 9/1/2012 10:15 PM, Ben Sutter wrote: > On 09/01/2012 06:49 PM, Eleanore Boyd wrote: >> On a much more serious note, why are you bashing him for >> condescension when your reply was even worse in that regard? > I'm "bashing" him for not doing his homework. Sometimes condescension is > earned; I d

Re: [lfs-support] Grub Questions (or how to waist yet ... even more ... precious electrons)

2012-09-01 Thread Ben Sutter
On 09/01/2012 06:49 PM, Eleanore Boyd wrote: > On a much more serious note, why are you bashing him for > condescension when your reply was even worse in that regard? I'm "bashing" him for not doing his homework. Sometimes condescension is earned; I didn't jump on him after his first post that sho

Re: [lfs-support] Grub Questions (or how to waist yet ... even more ... precious electrons)

2012-09-01 Thread Eleanore Boyd
On 9/1/2012 8:44 PM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Eleanore Boyd wrote: > >> And besides that, you were once in his position, otherwise known as >> being a "n00b" in the gamer shorthand that has infested common English. >> For that matter, we all were, and possibly still are. > Elly, > There are general

Re: [lfs-support] Grub Questions (or how to waist yet ... even more ... precious electrons)

2012-09-01 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Eleanore Boyd wrote: > And besides that, you were once in his position, otherwise known as > being a "n00b" in the gamer shorthand that has infested common English. > For that matter, we all were, and possibly still are. Elly, There are generally three types of people who ask questions on the

Re: [lfs-support] Grub Questions (or how to waist yet ... even more ... precious electrons)

2012-09-01 Thread Eleanore Boyd
On 9/1/2012 6:07 PM, Ben Sutter wrote: > It's obvious from your condescending replies to them that you > think you are trying hard enough to deserve help at this level. > > --Ben Oh, the irony. It kills me. On a much more serious note, why are you bashing him for condescension when your reply was

Re: [lfs-support] Grub Questions (or how to waist yet ... even more ... precious electrons)

2012-09-01 Thread Mikie
>Bruce et al are trying to wrap up a new LFS release and yet they still take >the time to try to help you. Frankly, I'm surprised. --Ben Well Bruce and Ben and Elly and everyone else ... thank you for all your help. ... and thanks for making LFS and supporting it. But I just want to point out

Re: [lfs-support] Grub Questions (or how to waist yet ... even more ... precious electrons)

2012-09-01 Thread Ben Sutter
On 09/01/2012 04:20 PM, Mikie wrote: > As I stated I have read several articles and I did use Google (and > yahoo search) to find them. > > They talk of a great many things but they all don't answer my > questions which was: > > How does Grub stage one (which I am told exists in the tiny MBR) know

Re: [lfs-support] Grub Questions (or how to waist yet ... even more ... precious electrons)

2012-09-01 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Mikie wrote: > How does Grub stage one (which I am told exists in the tiny MBR) know > where to get stage 2 code and config files? It's actually a quite complicated process. Short answer, the install program hard codes the location (sector) in the MBR. Slightly longer answer. It depends on th

Re: [lfs-support] Grub Questions (or how to waist yet ... even more ... precious electrons)

2012-09-01 Thread Mikie
>Google it. You appear to ask a lot of questions without trying to find >answers for yourself. Try looking up 'grub boot process'. -- Bruce As I stated I have read several articles and I did use Google (and yahoo search) to find them. They talk of a great many things but they all don't a

Re: [lfs-support] Grub Questions (or how to waist yet ... even more ... precious electrons)

2012-09-01 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Mikie wrote: >> Where did you get that idea? LFS has not used GRUB-0.97 since version 6.5 >> (2009). > Sorry ... thought I saw 0.97 in some LFS docs but it must have been an old > book. > > In any event how does the MBR stage one code of Grub know what to do next? Google it. You appear to ask

Re: [lfs-support] Grub Questions (or how to waist yet ... even more ... precious electrons)

2012-09-01 Thread Mikie
>Where did you get that idea? LFS has not used GRUB-0.97 since version 6.5 >(2009). -- Bruce Sorry ... thought I saw 0.97 in some LFS docs but it must have been an old book. In any event how does the MBR stage one code of Grub know what to do next? Thanks. -- http://linuxfromscratch.o

Re: [lfs-support] Grub Questions (or how to waist yet ... even more ... precious electrons)

2012-09-01 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Mikie wrote: > I see that LFS 7.1 uses Grub 0.97 and the Ubuntu 12.04 server I am using as a > host uses Grub 2 ( 1.99 ?? ). Where did you get that idea? LFS has not used GRUB-0.97 since version 6.5 (2009). -- Bruce -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http:/

[lfs-support] Grub Questions (or how to waist yet ... even more ... precious electrons)

2012-09-01 Thread Mikie
I see that LFS 7.1 uses Grub 0.97 and the Ubuntu 12.04 server I am using as a host uses Grub 2 ( 1.99 ?? ). I've looked around and read several articles but I am left wanting (as they say in a Dickens's novel). Grub stage one is the code in the MBR ... right? How does stage one know where t