Re: [liberationtech] Wickr app aims to safeguard online privacy

2013-02-06 Thread Rich Kulawiec
I'm finding this discussion highly illuminating -- as I find many here. So before I make my comments, I want to says thanks to everyone for the education. You've given me *a lot* to think about while running. My concerns re these sorts of self-destructing documents revolve (first) around the

Re: [liberationtech] Silent Circle is reading the list. ;-)

2013-02-06 Thread Fabio Pietrosanti (naif)
What's about Transactional Records? [1] http://privacysos.org/transactional_records Fabio On 2/6/13 12:47 AM, Ali-Reza Anghaie wrote: They're agile about their coverage. ;-) -Ali -- Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password at:

Re: [liberationtech] Chromebooks for Risky Situations?

2013-02-06 Thread Andreas Bader
On 02/06/2013 07:28 AM, Nathan of Guardian wrote: On 02/06/2013 01:22 PM, Ali-Reza Anghaie wrote: How can projects like Privly play into it? Carrying a Tor Router along with you or building one on-site. None of the operational matters will ever be squarely addressed by one platform but it all

[liberationtech] Teachers’ pension plan invests in Internet surveillance firm.

2013-02-06 Thread Ronald Deibert
http://www.thestar.com/opinion/editorialopinion/2013/02/06/teachers_pension_plan_invests_in_internet_surveillance_firm.print.html Opinion / Editorial Opinion Teachers’ pension plan invests in Internet surveillance firm. Blue Coat Systems provides Internet censorship and surveillance technology

Re: [liberationtech] Chromebooks for Risky Situations?

2013-02-06 Thread Tom Ritter
Nadim, I'm with you. I'm not sure it's the perfect solution for everyone, but like Nathan said, if you already trust Google, I think it's a good option. On 6 February 2013 07:12, Andreas Bader noergelpi...@hotmail.de wrote: Why don't you use an old thinkpad or something with Linux, you have the

Re: [liberationtech] Chromebooks for Risky Situations?

2013-02-06 Thread Andreas Bader
On 02/06/2013 04:24 PM, Tom Ritter wrote: Nadim, I'm with you. I'm not sure it's the perfect solution for everyone, but like Nathan said, if you already trust Google, I think it's a good option. On 6 February 2013 07:12, Andreas Bader noergelpi...@hotmail.de wrote: Why don't you use an old

Re: [liberationtech] Chromebooks for Risky Situations?

2013-02-06 Thread micah anderson
Tom Ritter t...@ritter.vg writes: On 6 February 2013 07:12, Andreas Bader noergelpi...@hotmail.de wrote: Why don't you use an old thinkpad or something with Linux, you have the same price like a Chromebook but more control over the system. And you don't depend on the 3G and Wifi net. - The

[liberationtech] Cyber war rhetoric

2013-02-06 Thread Mark Nelson
It seems to be escalating. The rhetoric, I mean. See e.g. http://m.csoonline.com/article/728341/preemptive-cyberattack-disclosure-a-warning-to-china ? -- Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password at: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech

Re: [liberationtech] Pressure Increases On Silent Circle To Release Application Source Code

2013-02-06 Thread Nathan of Guardian
On 02/06/2013 10:06 PM, Nadim Kobeissi wrote: http://www.forbes.com/sites/jonmatonis/2013/02/06/pressure-increases-on-silent-circle-to-release-application-source-code/ [Disclosure: Author is consultant for a Silent Circle reseller based in Japan.] That is one of the strangest disclosures I have

Re: [liberationtech] Chromebooks for Risky Situations?

2013-02-06 Thread Michael Rogers
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/02/13 15:52, Rich Kulawiec wrote: Many operating systems and applications and even application extensions (e.g., Firefox extensions) now attempt to discover the presence of updates for themselves either automatically or because a user

Re: [liberationtech] Pressure Increases On Silent Circle To Release Application Source Code

2013-02-06 Thread Brian Conley
LOL! At least it implies that one of Silent Circle's customers or their consultants may support open sourcing the code. On Feb 6, 2013 8:09 AM, Nathan of Guardian nat...@guardianproject.info wrote: On 02/06/2013 10:06 PM, Nadim Kobeissi wrote:

Re: [liberationtech] Chromebooks for Risky Situations?

2013-02-06 Thread Andreas Bader
We started with the notion of Linux, and we were attracted to Chromebooks for a bunch of reasons. Going back to Linux loses all the things we were attracted to. - ChromeOS's attack surface is infinitely smaller than with Linux - The architecture of ChromeOS is different from Linux -

Re: [liberationtech] Chromebooks for Risky Situations?

2013-02-06 Thread Tom Ritter
On 6 February 2013 10:52, micah anderson mi...@riseup.net wrote: Can you say what you mean here? What is SOP in this context? ChromeOS's 'Apps' are all extensions or webpages. One can't interact with any other do to the standard Same Origin Policy browsers enforce. It's what stops evilco.com

Re: [liberationtech] Chromebooks for Risky Situations?

2013-02-06 Thread T N
Just FYI: Chrome OS devices are not subject to roll back attacks because the verified boot does not allow that. Google has extensive documentation on this, and you can review the implementation by viewing the source code. Rollback attacks were an attack vector they specifically designed to

Re: [liberationtech] Pressure Increases On Silent Circle To Release Application Source Code (Transactional data)

2013-02-06 Thread Fabio Pietrosanti (naif)
Please remind that for a service-based model the risks are not also related to the transactional data : http://privacysos.org/transactional_records It would be really nice to know which is the data-retention policy for: - connection logs - phone call logs - email logs (as they will provide also

Re: [liberationtech] Chromebooks for Risky Situations?

2013-02-06 Thread Brian Conley
Andreas, Plenty of Syrians do have internet access, and use it on a regular basis. Also, lack of appropriateness for one use-case doesn't necessitate lack of appropriateness across the board. Linux is a great solution for many use cases, but as has been elaborated, quite a terrible one for many

Re: [liberationtech] Pressure Increases On Silent Circle To Release Application Source Code (Transactional data)

2013-02-06 Thread Ali-Reza Anghaie
Their existing policies indicate they don't store transactional data between SC users but they do store login and business data from an individual customer to SC. They have not yet released the email solution and haven't expanded their statements to include that data. They state they currently

[liberationtech] Draft Chapter on Deep Packet Inspection

2013-02-06 Thread Christopher Parsons
Hi all, My doctoral research focuses on the politics of DPI, with attention spent to how the technology operates as a nexus for a host of competing political interests. I've just made available the first chapter, which outlines the 'lineage' of packet inspection devices as well as the use cases

Re: [liberationtech] Chromebooks for Risky Situations?

2013-02-06 Thread Nadim Kobeissi
The biggest (and very important) difference between Linux and Chromebooks is the hugely smaller attack surface. NK On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 2:36 PM, Brian Conley bri...@smallworldnews.tvwrote: Andreas, Plenty of Syrians do have internet access, and use it on a regular basis. Also, lack of

Re: [liberationtech] Chromebooks for Risky Situations?

2013-02-06 Thread Griffin Boyce
On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 1:28 AM, Nathan of Guardian nat...@guardianproject.info wrote: On 02/06/2013 01:22 PM, Ali-Reza Anghaie wrote: How can projects like Privly play into it? Carrying a Tor Router along with you or building one on-site. None of the operational matters will ever be

Re: [liberationtech] Chromebooks for Risky Situations?

2013-02-06 Thread Ali-Reza Anghaie
I'm glad people have had luck with tethering their Android phones internationally. I've had absolutely zero - I'll have to give it another run with a locally renter provider I suppose. Anyone try in the UAE recently? Provider, hardware? Egypt? Curious. -Ali On Feb 6, 2013 3:19 PM, Griffin Boyce

Re: [liberationtech] Chromebooks for Risky Situations?

2013-02-06 Thread Brian Conley
What Android OS are you using, Ali? It's a snap with Google Nexus running 4.0. Perhaps its an OS version or carrier-rolled OS that is the problem? Brian On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 12:26 PM, Ali-Reza Anghaie a...@packetknife.comwrote: I'm glad people have had luck with tethering their Android

Re: [liberationtech] Chromebooks for Risky Situations?

2013-02-06 Thread T N
The word Linux doesn't refer to anything, other than maybe the kernel. Chrome OS is linux. But it's a massively stripped down distribution that has a radical design, including the fact that it will ONLY run if all of the cryptographic checks are verified from the root of trust. That root of

[liberationtech] Fwd: Don't endorse #biometric govt.

2013-02-06 Thread Shava Nerad
I'm not up to date on these issues, but it seemed like throwing this out for discussion here might be a great way to get some quality pointers to current resources on the fine points of the issue. Any links to share? Ms. Dean became aware of me through a post here being republished in another

Re: [liberationtech] Chromebooks for Risky Situations?

2013-02-06 Thread Ali-Reza Anghaie
Always Nexus Verizon stock. My alternate ROMs don't travel with me. Verizon contacted ahead of time per their suggestions. Tethering in US and Canada fine. UK or elsewhere is no-joy. I gave up after a while and just carry my wipe'a'router and but use local WiFi. My advantage being I'm in tent

Re: [liberationtech] Chromebooks for Risky Situations?

2013-02-06 Thread Ali-Reza Anghaie
A VZW employee was nice enough to reach out off list - wanted to remain anonymous - says that the international SIMs they send for you to put in overseas Nexus devices won't tether. Ever. No matter what I'm told otherwise. Anyhow.. enough of that. Cheers, -Ali On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 3:52 PM,

[liberationtech] EU NIS cybersecurity directive

2013-02-06 Thread André Rebentisch
Hi, Tomorrow, Thursday, a proposal for an EU Cyber Directive is supposed to get released. To be known as a proposed NIS (network and information security) Directive. An earlier draft was circulated by illoyal EC staff: https://netzpolitik.org/wp-upload/Cybersecurity-Directive-proposal.pdf

Re: [liberationtech] Chromebooks for Risky Situations?

2013-02-06 Thread Andy Isaacson
On Wed, Feb 06, 2013 at 10:52:23AM -0500, micah anderson wrote: - ChromeOS's update mechanism is automatic, transparent, and basically foolproof. Having bricked Ubuntu and Gentoo systems, the same is not true of Linux. I would be surprised if you actually 'bricked' these systems, since

Re: [liberationtech] Chromebooks for Risky Situations?

2013-02-06 Thread micah anderson
T N trr...@gmail.com writes: The word Linux doesn't refer to anything, other than maybe the kernel. Chrome OS is linux. But it's a massively stripped down distribution that has a radical design, including the fact that it will ONLY run if all of the cryptographic checks are verified from

Re: [liberationtech] Chromebooks for Risky Situations?

2013-02-06 Thread micah anderson
Andy Isaacson a...@hexapodia.org writes: On Wed, Feb 06, 2013 at 10:52:23AM -0500, micah anderson wrote: - ChromeOS's update mechanism is automatic, transparent, and basically foolproof. Having bricked Ubuntu and Gentoo systems, the same is not true of Linux. I would be surprised if

Re: [liberationtech] Unsubscribe please

2013-02-06 Thread Hayes Mabweazara
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Re: [liberationtech] Chromebooks for Risky Situations?

2013-02-06 Thread Brian Conley
Micah, Perhaps you can tell us the secret to convince all family members and colleagues to become Linux hackers able to be completely self-sufficient managing their own upgrades and modifications indefinitely? Otherwise what is your point? It seems like you are being needlessly confrontational

[liberationtech] Cryptography super-group creates unbreakable encryption

2013-02-06 Thread Nadim Kobeissi
Actual headline. http://www.extremetech.com/mobile/147714-cryptography-super-group-creates-unbreakable-encryption-designed-for-mass-market NK -- Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password at: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech

Re: [liberationtech] Cryptography super-group creates unbreakable encryption

2013-02-06 Thread Brian Conley
C'mon Nadim, that's a bit of a cheap shot, no? Do you disagree fundamentally with anything he said there? Brian On Feb 6, 2013, at 19:56, Nadim Kobeissi na...@nadim.cc wrote: Chris Soghoian gives Silent Circle's unbreakable encryption an entire article's worth of lip service here, it must

Re: [liberationtech] Cryptography super-group creates unbreakable encryption

2013-02-06 Thread Nadim Kobeissi
What I'm trying to point out is that Silent Circle can call itself a super-group creating unbreakable encryption, market closed-source software towards activists, and some experts will still speak out for them favourably. NK On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 11:21 PM, Brian Conley

Re: [liberationtech] Cryptography super-group creates unbreakable encryption

2013-02-06 Thread Douglas Lucas
The enemy knows the system, but some enemies are more equal than others. On 02/06/2013 10:21 PM, Brian Conley wrote: C'mon Nadim, that's a bit of a cheap shot, no? Do you disagree fundamentally with anything he said there? Brian On Feb 6, 2013, at 19:56, Nadim Kobeissi na...@nadim.cc

Re: [liberationtech] Chromebooks for Risky Situations?

2013-02-06 Thread Andreas Bader
On 02/06/2013 08:36 PM, Brian Conley wrote: Andreas, Plenty of Syrians do have internet access, and use it on a regular basis. Also, lack of appropriateness for one use-case doesn't necessitate lack of appropriateness across the board. Linux is a great solution for many use cases, but as