Re: [liberationtech] Fwd: [g...@pryzby.org: Ubuntu, Dash, Shuttleworth and privacy]

2013-02-20 Thread danimoth
On 19/02/13 at 11:48am, Lee Fisher wrote: I'd suggest one that is fully-controlled by the community, like Debian, or another one of your preference. Anywhere in the world I won't use Debian, because of the fact that packages shipped are modified and patched a lot. That means other people

Re: [liberationtech] Cryptography super-group creates unbreakable encryption

2013-02-20 Thread Joseph Lorenzo Hall
Another aspect of this discussion I'm a bit surprised that no one has yet raised is the simple truth that no amount of testing and source code review can (or should) anoint a tool as secure. Even with formally provably secure software, OS, hardware, etc. it is still a very hard problem to make

Re: [liberationtech] Fwd: [g...@pryzby.org: Ubuntu, Dash, Shuttleworth and privacy]

2013-02-20 Thread Julian Oliver
..on Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 06:17:16PM +0200, Maxim Kammerer wrote: On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 5:49 PM, micah anderson mi...@riseup.net wrote: Developers never made a mistake leading to a security problem, so Debian's one mistake in 2006 should be forever trotted out as an example of how Debian

Re: [liberationtech] Fwd: [g...@pryzby.org: Ubuntu, Dash, Shuttleworth and privacy]

2013-02-20 Thread micah anderson
Maxim Kammerer m...@dee.su writes: I have sent a patch to the author of HTPdate, and he wrote back that a “Debian security administrator” already went over the code with him line-by-line. There is no such thing as a Debian security administrator, and HTPdate is not in Debian, so I'm not sure

Re: [liberationtech] Fwd: [g...@pryzby.org: Ubuntu, Dash, Shuttleworth and privacy]

2013-02-20 Thread intrigeri
Hi, Julian Oliver wrote (20 Feb 2013 16:27:24 GMT) : Did you file a bug? It doesn't look like you did. You should do it. The program Maxim was talking of is not part of Debian. ... and I agree it's totally unclear if that “Debian security administrator” was anything but a random system

Re: [liberationtech] Fwd: [g...@pryzby.org: Ubuntu, Dash, Shuttleworth and privacy]

2013-02-20 Thread Maxim Kammerer
On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 6:46 PM, Julian Oliver jul...@julianoliver.com wrote: Yes, just after sending the email I 'apt-cache search htpdate', returning nothing. It seems Maxim might have confused Debian with another distribution of GNU/Linux. No, I didn't — I know what Debian is. I remember

Re: [liberationtech] Fwd: [g...@pryzby.org: Ubuntu, Dash, Shuttleworth and privacy]

2013-02-20 Thread micah anderson
danimoth danim...@cryptolab.net writes: On 20/02/13 at 10:49am, micah anderson wrote: Developers never made a mistake leading to a security problem, so Debian's one mistake in 2006 should be forever trotted out as an example of how Debian sucks, good point. Sorry, but this distinction

Re: [liberationtech] Fwd: [g...@pryzby.org: Ubuntu, Dash, Shuttleworth and privacy]

2013-02-20 Thread Lee Fisher
Anyway, we are free to choose what fit our requirements. True. Is there any formal academic research on the topic of distro stability/quality/security, with any listed attributes/requirements? On one hand, corporate control tends to spyware backdoors. On the other, volunteer control could

[liberationtech] Chinas Internet?

2013-02-20 Thread Brian Conley
Photos of the dead sailors, their bodies gagged and blindfolded and some with head wounds suggesting execution-style killings, circulated on China’s Internet. From: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/21/world/asia/chinese-plan-to-use-drone-highlights-military-advances.html?_r=0 I know about the GFW

Re: [liberationtech] Chinas Internet?

2013-02-20 Thread Nadim Kobeissi
Most likely it's bad writing. What they likely meant by China's Internet is China's social network sphere, such as Sina Weibo communities and so on... NK On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 10:53 PM, Brian Conley bri...@smallworldnews.tvwrote: Photos of the dead sailors, their bodies gagged and

Re: [liberationtech] Chinas Internet?

2013-02-20 Thread Martin Johnson
The majority of Internet users in Mainland China spend 100% of their online time on Chinese websites. Google+, Facebook, YouTube, Twitter, Blogspot and many more (see https://en.greatfire.org) are completely blocked in Mainland China. Most other foreign websites are both considerably slower than

Re: [liberationtech] Chinas Internet?

2013-02-20 Thread Brian Conley
Thanks Martin, I was hoping you'd respond. Good point, Nadim. On Feb 20, 2013 8:20 PM, Martin Johnson greatf...@greatfire.org wrote: The majority of Internet users in Mainland China spend 100% of their online time on Chinese websites. Google+, Facebook, YouTube, Twitter, Blogspot and many

Re: [liberationtech] Chinas Internet?

2013-02-20 Thread x z
I agree with most of Martin's statements. China's internet is practically separated from the world's internet already. On this front, the Chinese authority has won the battle. 2013/2/20 Martin Johnson greatf...@greatfire.org The majority of Internet users in Mainland China spend 100% of their

[liberationtech] Using Gajim Instead of Pidgin for More Secure OTR Chat

2013-02-20 Thread Micah Lee
I just wrote a blog post that people here might find interesting about using Gajim, a chat client written in python, and Gajim's OTR plugin, a purely python implementation of the OTR standard, instead of Pidgin and libotr.

Re: [liberationtech] Using Gajim Instead of Pidgin for More Secure OTR Chat

2013-02-20 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 10:27 PM, Micah Lee micahf...@riseup.net wrote: I just wrote a blog post that people here might find interesting about using Gajim, a chat client written in python, and Gajim's OTR plugin, a purely python implementation of the OTR standard, instead of Pidgin and libotr.