Re: [liberationtech] Efficient digital one-way communication

2013-03-04 Thread Michael Rogers
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/03/13 14:25, Jens Christian Hillerup wrote: I basically just wanted to throw it out here. Does anybody have experience in modulating data? Has this kind of digital one-way communication been done in an activist setting before? Does it make

Re: [liberationtech] Efficient digital one-way communication

2013-03-04 Thread Jens Christian Hillerup
On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 4:40 PM, Michael Rogers mich...@briarproject.org wrote: Last year I spent some time playing with audio encoding of data for transmission over handheld radios. The state of the art here is dialup modems - on a good day they can get 56,000 bits per second over a channel

Re: [liberationtech] Efficient digital one-way communication

2013-03-04 Thread Michael Rogers
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/03/13 15:56, Jens Christian Hillerup wrote: Nice information, thanks. Would it be wrong to assume larger data rates to be attainable on an FM link than over the telephone line? For music etc. FM has far superior sound quality in any case.

Re: [liberationtech] Efficient digital one-way communication

2013-03-04 Thread Kurtiss Hare
To increase bitrate, have you considered using fundamental frequencies with distinct overtone series (partials) instead of pure fundamental frequencies? On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Michael Rogers mich...@briarproject.orgwrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/03/13

Re: [liberationtech] Efficient digital one-way communication

2013-03-04 Thread Jens Christian Hillerup
Whoops, we're drifting off-list. I've included the relevant parts (and committed a stereo fix to the main repo that fixes the bug from my second mail). On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 6:46 PM, Kurtiss Hare kurt...@gmail.com wrote: Also, couldn't having a large frequency span be challenging to carry over

Re: [liberationtech] Efficient digital one-way communication

2013-03-04 Thread Don Marti
begin Jens Christian Hillerup quotation of Mon, Mar 04, 2013 at 06:53:05PM +0100: Whoops, we're drifting off-list. I've included the relevant parts (and committed a stereo fix to the main repo that fixes the bug from my second mail). DTMF uses two pitches at a time -

Re: [liberationtech] Efficient digital one-way communication

2013-03-04 Thread Jens Christian Hillerup
On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 7:26 PM, Don Marti dma...@zgp.org wrote: begin Jens Christian Hillerup quotation of Mon, Mar 04, 2013 at 06:53:05PM +0100: Whoops, we're drifting off-list. I've included the relevant parts (and committed a stereo fix to the main repo that fixes the bug from my second

Re: [liberationtech] Efficient digital one-way communication

2013-03-04 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 11:45 AM, Jens Christian Hillerup j...@hillerup.net wrote: Yes, and then I can scrap the stereo encoding again. I'd rather have it optional than required. And I agree, it would make more sense to pick eight notes and use them as a bitmap. We'd face the same problems as

Re: [liberationtech] Efficient digital one-way communication

2013-03-04 Thread Peter Lindener
I'm not sure if people on this thread got my point The the design criteria for the proposed data modulation approch that might be considered optimal here would be the one that would get those who might be doing surveillance to fall in love with you! -Peter -- Too many emails?

Re: [liberationtech] Efficient digital one-way communication

2013-03-04 Thread The Doctor
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/03/2013 09:25 AM, Jens Christian Hillerup wrote: I basically just wanted to throw it out here. Does anybody have experience in modulating data? Has this kind of digital one-way communication been done in an activist setting before? Does it

[liberationtech] Efficient digital one-way communication

2013-03-03 Thread Jens Christian Hillerup
Hi, One thing I've been thinking a lot about recently is how to make digital one-way communication feasible for activists, sort of sending digital information to the broad public. I believe that FM is a good medium for this because the transmitters are cheap and everybody has a radio. Hook up the

Re: [liberationtech] Efficient digital one-way communication

2013-03-03 Thread Yuval Adam
I love this PoC, and I believe it might actually prove useful in certain situations. Short-range FM transmission is certainly possible with cheap devices [1] Modulating the FM signal should be a breeze, I'll try to hack up some code soon. Awesome project. [1] -

Re: [liberationtech] Efficient digital one-way communication

2013-03-03 Thread Jens Christian Hillerup
On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 3:25 PM, Jens Christian Hillerup j...@hillerup.net wrote: I did a quick hack back in September, called modulera [1]. The idea is to exploit how pentatonic polyphony always sounds good, regardless of the notes picked (as long as they're within the scale). The way it works

Re: [liberationtech] Efficient digital one-way communication

2013-03-03 Thread Peter Lindener
Dear Jens / LibTech-ers I like the musical spirit of Jens proposed modulation scheme! I gather it's possible to utilize musical harmonic as well as rhythmic theory and the underlying relationship of Music to information theory to form the foundation for a set of ear pleasing