[liberationtech] NSA revelations are about capabilities...not intentions

It's instructive to look at the history of America's original surveillance program, its 223 year old US Census program. There are rigorous laws against government abuse of census data[1][2] going back over 200 years. In addition, during each 10-year census period there are earnest advertising camp

Re: [liberationtech] Bradley Manning's sentence: 35 years for exposing us to the truth

Excellent point. On Aug 21, 2013, at 6:32 PM, Richard Brooks wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > I guess this is progress. > > In ancient Greece and the Middle Ages, exposing people to > the truth would get you killed. > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG

Re: [liberationtech] How Laura Poitras Helped Snowden Spill His Secrets

And that is a very noble cause. On Aug 21, 2013, at 6:33 PM, Lina Srivastava wrote: > "There's enough heroism to go around. To get a story of this magnitude > out requires courage from both sources and journalists. And safety is in > no way guaranteed for anyone involved. Plenty of journalists

[liberationtech] Fwd: [riseup] Space for dissent

- Forwarded message from newslet...@lists.riseup.net - Space for dissent It is a mistake to frame the recent US and European massive surveillance revelations in terms of the privacy of individuals. What is at stake is not privacy at all, but the power of the state

Re: [liberationtech] Bradley Manning's sentence: 35 years for exposing us to the truth

Interesting and poignant commentary. Even with the possible negative aspects of the cable releases, the only person being punished is Manning.  (And by extension, Assange, confined to the Ecuadorean embassy in London because he can't resolve his legal issues in Sweden for fear of extradition to

Re: [liberationtech] How Laura Poitras Helped Snowden Spill His Secrets

"There's enough heroism to go around. To get a story of this magnitude out requires courage from both sources and journalists. And safety is in no way guaranteed for anyone involved. Plenty of journalists have lost their lives in the course of their job, but the truth is that courage is truly conta

Re: [liberationtech] Bradley Manning's sentence: 35 years for exposing us to the truth

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I guess this is progress. In ancient Greece and the Middle Ages, exposing people to the truth would get you killed. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYE

Re: [liberationtech] Bradley Manning's sentence: 35 years for exposing us to the truth

agreed. On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 6:15 PM, Mike Perry wrote: > Thus spake Tom O (winterfi...@gmail.com): > >> To be honest, this was probably the best he could have hoped for. >> >> He was facing 90. He got 35 with parole after 12. >> >> It's shit, but not as shit as the other options. >> >> If Sno

Re: [liberationtech] How Laura Poitras Helped Snowden Spill His Secrets

--snip-- There's enough heroism to go around. To get a story of this magnitude out requires courage from both sources and journalists. And safety is in no way guaranteed for anyone involved. Plenty of journalists have lost their lives in the course of their job, but the truth is that courage is t

Re: [liberationtech] Bradley Manning's sentence: 35 years for exposing us to the truth

Thus spake Tom O (winterfi...@gmail.com): > To be honest, this was probably the best he could have hoped for. > > He was facing 90. He got 35 with parole after 12. > > It's shit, but not as shit as the other options. > > If Snowden gets captured, you can bet he will be getting much much worse.

Re: [liberationtech] How Laura Poitras Helped Snowden Spill His Secrets

Tom O wrote: > So it's now become about the "heroism" of the journalists and not > Snowden and mass govt surveillance. Right. There's enough heroism to go around. To get a story of this magnitude out requires courage from both sources and journalists. And safety is in no way guaranteed for anyone

Re: [liberationtech] Bradley Manning's sentence: 35 years for exposing us to the truth

On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 11:59 PM, Shelley wrote: > Sure, but I think Manning has a zero chance of obtaining a pardon. Col. Morris Davis: “Military has detailed regs on confinement credits & parole eligibility. My best est is he'll do about 8-9 yrs, out by age 33-34.” https://twitter.com/ColMorris

Re: [liberationtech] Bradley Manning's sentence: 35 years for exposing us to the truth

Sure, but I think Manning has a zero chance of obtaining a pardon. https://prism-break.org/ On Aug 21, 2013 1:49 PM, Blibbet wrote: >> Outrageous. > tragic. Would this work? http://www.justice.gov/pardon/pardon_instructions.htm -- Liberationtech is a pub

Re: [liberationtech] Bradley Manning's sentence: 35 years for exposing us to the truth

>> Outrageous. > tragic. Would this work? http://www.justice.gov/pardon/pardon_instructions.htm -- Liberationtech is a public list whose archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsub

Re: [liberationtech] Cryptocat: Call for Translators. Please Participate!

Thanks so much for your help, everyone. We just added two additional sentences that need translating. https://www.transifex.com/projects/p/Cryptocat/resource/cryptocat/ NK On 2013-08-20, at 1:38 PM, Buddhadeb Halder wrote: > I will do Bengali. > > On Tuesday, August 20, 2013, Neil Blazevic w

Re: [liberationtech] Bradley Manning's sentence: 35 years for exposing us to the truth

When international media is primarily dominated by multinational US corporations, voices that are affected outside that realm seldom get heard. The thing that must happen now is to not let them get away with it. If they do get away with it, that is now carte blanche approval for EVERYONE to do it.

Re: [liberationtech] Bradley Manning's sentence: 35 years for exposing us to the truth

>>I suspect his trial won't be as open as Mannings I seriously doubt he'd get even a kangaroo court trial.  Something would "happen" to his plane on the way back, etc. These are thugs and war criminals we're talking about in the alphabet agencies and above.  They don't seem to believe they are

Re: [liberationtech] Bradley Manning's sentence: 35 years for exposing us to the truth

Even a large segment of media discourse seems to dwell on "his choice of destination". Rather than focus largely on the issues he exposed. The repercussions of NSA revelations are heavily influencing discourse in other countries esp Pakistan. Where we first heard "look at china progressing despite

Re: [liberationtech] Bradley Manning's sentence: 35 years for exposing us to the truth

I agree with what you've said, but it's still an outrage that Manning will serve (more) time for exposing war crimes while the criminals walk free. Also agree that Snowden would fare far worse.  Here's hoping it won't happen. https://prism-break.org/ On Aug 21, 2013 1:06 PM, Tom O

Re: [liberationtech] Bradley Manning's sentence: 35 years for exposing us to the truth

It's for his choice in destinations that will get him worse. Aiding the enemy could be politically sensitive. Do you really want to call China & Russia the enemy? Prosecution and conviction under the espionage act is a given. I suspect his trial won't be as open as Mannings. On Thursday, August

Re: [liberationtech] Bradley Manning's sentence: 35 years for exposing us to the truth

And let's not forget Julian Assange while we are at it. It is just sad all around for these brave men. On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 4:05 PM, Sana Saleem wrote: > If Snowden gets captured, you can bet he will be getting much much worse > > It's extremely sad that not many people realize that, the disc

Re: [liberationtech] Bradley Manning's sentence: 35 years for exposing us to the truth

If Snowden gets captured, you can bet he will be getting much much worse It's extremely sad that not many people realize that, the discourse critiquing snowden for his 'choice' destinations is appalling. -- Direc

Re: [liberationtech] Bradley Manning's sentence: 35 years for exposing us to the truth

To be honest, this was probably the best he could have hoped for. He was facing 90. He got 35 with parole after 12. It's shit, but not as shit as the other options. If Snowden gets captured, you can bet he will be getting much much worse. On Thursday, August 22, 2013, LilBambi wrote: > tragic.

Re: [liberationtech] Bradley Manning's sentence: 35 years for exposing us to the truth

tragic. On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 11:32 AM, Shelley wrote: > Outrageous. > > http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/aug/21/bradley-manning-sentence-birgitta-jonsdottir > > Bradley Manning's sentence: 35 years for exposing us to the truth > This was never a fair trial – Obama declared Manning

Re: [liberationtech] How Laura Poitras Helped Snowden Spill His Secrets

Wow. It had to be someone. Who would you have had it been? On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Tony Arcieri wrote: > On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 5:16 AM, Eugen Leitl wrote: >> >> This past January, Laura Poitras received a curious e-mail from an >> anonymous >> stranger requesting her public encryption

Re: [liberationtech] How Laura Poitras Helped Snowden Spill His Secrets

On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 5:16 AM, Eugen Leitl wrote: > This past January, Laura Poitras received a curious e-mail from an > anonymous > stranger requesting her public encryption key. For almost two years, > Poitras > had been working on a documentary about surveillance, and she occasionally > rece

Re: [liberationtech] How Laura Poitras Helped Snowden Spill His Secrets

So it's now become about the "heroism" of the journalists and not Snowden and mass govt surveillance. Right. On Thursday, August 22, 2013, Scott Elcomb wrote: > On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 8:16 AM, Eugen Leitl > > > wrote: > >> >> (possible dupe) >> >> >> http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/18/magazine

[liberationtech] Pakistan: Ministry of IT Pursues Filtration Again

Hi all, Many of you have been of great support during our campaign to get Ministry of IT to shelve their plans for a National Level URL Filtration & Blocking System that was announced in February last year, through your consistent support and pressure we were able to get the ministry to shelve the

[liberationtech] What NSA does now not so different from what agency has done since its inception

http://www.nytimes.com/1983/03/27/magazine/the-silent-power-of-the-nsa.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&pagewanted=all&pagewanted=print March 27, 1983 THE SILENT POWER OF THE N.S.A. By David Burnham David Burnham is a reporter in The Times's Washington bureau. This article is adapted from Mr. Burnham's

Re: [liberationtech] Seeing threats, feds target instructors of polygraph-beating methods

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/19/2013 10:42 PM, Tom Ritter wrote: > ESPECIALLY when polygraphs aren't actually accepted by the courts, > as far as I know. They are still a requirement for some security clearances, though (TS/SCI/LP). Perhaps someone high up the food chain

Re: [liberationtech] How Laura Poitras Helped Snowden Spill His Secrets

On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 8:16 AM, Eugen Leitl wrote: > > (possible dupe) > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/18/magazine/laura-poitras-snowden.html?ref=todayspaper&_r=1&&pagewanted=all&pagewanted=print > > “I read intelligence carefully,” said Senator Dianne > Feinstein, chairwoman of the Sena

[liberationtech] Latest developments in Bangladesh

On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 8:02 PM, Shahzad Ahmad wrote: > Dear colleagues, > > Wish to draw your kind attention on the latest developments in Bangladesh. > > Adilur Rahman is a personal friend and a renowned human rights defender. > He was picked by the police on 10th August 2013. Some details of

[liberationtech] Bradley Manning's sentence: 35 years for exposing us to the truth

Outrageous. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/aug/21/bradley-manning-sentence-birgitta-jonsdottir Bradley Manning's sentence: 35 years for exposing us to the truth This was never a fair trial – Obama declared Manning's guilt in advance. But Manning's punishment is an affront to democ

Re: [liberationtech] Dubious sources feed national-security reporter Eli Lake a fraudulent story for political purposes — once again

Sorry, language mismatch in "auto-corrector".. On Aug 21, 2013 8:29 AM, "Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes" < alps6...@gmail.com> wrote: > Wells, what elasticidad would you expectativas from "The Washington Times?" > On Aug 21, 2013 4:40 AM, "Eugen Leitl" wrote: > >> >> How very surprising. >>

Re: [liberationtech] Dubious sources feed national-security reporter Eli Lake a fraudulent story for political purposes — once again

Wells, what elasticidad would you expectativas from "The Washington Times?" On Aug 21, 2013 4:40 AM, "Eugen Leitl" wrote: > > How very surprising. > > http://harpers.org/blog/2013/08/anatomy-of-an-al-qaeda-conference-call/ > > Anatomy of an Al Qaeda “Conference Call” > > Dubious sources feed na

[liberationtech] CAMRI Seminar (Sep 25): Vincent Mosco on the Political Economy of Cloud Computing and Big Data

To the Cloud: Big Data in a Turbulent World September 25, 2013 02:00pm-04:00pm Room A7.03, Harrow Campus, University of Westminster, Communication and Media Research Institute (CAMRI), London: Northwick Park tube station (Metropolitan Line) Full information: http://www.westminster.ac.uk/researc

Re: [liberationtech] Dubious sources feed national-security reporter Eli Lake a fraudulent story for political purposes — once again

Blogged On Aug 21, 2013 5:40 AM, "Eugen Leitl" wrote: > > How very surprising. > > http://harpers.org/blog/2013/08/anatomy-of-an-al-qaeda-conference-call/ > > Anatomy of an Al Qaeda “Conference Call” > > Dubious sources feed national-security reporter Eli Lake a fraudulent story > for political

[liberationtech] Dubious sources feed national-security reporter Eli Lake a fraudulent story for political purposes — once again

How very surprising. http://harpers.org/blog/2013/08/anatomy-of-an-al-qaeda-conference-call/ Anatomy of an Al Qaeda “Conference Call” Dubious sources feed national-security reporter Eli Lake a fraudulent story for political purposes — once again By Ken Silverstein Share Single Page Cartoon

Re: [liberationtech] liberationtech Digest, Vol 169, Issue 1

That would require common sense, which is obviously lacking in this individual. On Wednesday, August 21, 2013, Shelley wrote: > So, of course the obvious solution is to make a snotty drama comment and > quote an entire digest-- instead of, you know, unsubscibing yourself > with the link included

Re: [liberationtech] liberationtech Digest, Vol 169, Issue 1

So, of course the obvious solution is to make a snotty drama comment and quote an entire digest-- instead of, you know, unsubscibing yourself with the link included in every email. On Wed, Aug 21, 2013, at 12:29 AM, William Koplitz wrote: > Whole lot of navel-gazing. Unsubscibe. -- Liberationtech