Re: [liberationtech] Fwd: [g...@pryzby.org: Ubuntu, Dash, Shuttleworth and privacy]

2013-03-08 Thread Douglas Lucas
A small but important point people might have overlooked. An opt-out function for Ubuntu's Dash is less helpful if you're running Ubuntu as a liveboot. If you're running it as a liveboot, you or your startup script will have to disable the Dash leaks each and every time you boot up your computer.

Re: [liberationtech] Fwd: [g...@pryzby.org: Ubuntu, Dash, Shuttleworth and privacy]

2013-02-22 Thread Rich Kulawiec
On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 04:53:48AM +, Jacob Appelbaum wrote: Sounds like someone should upload a package that fixes all of the privacy problems, eh? I've thought about this for a couple of days and about 20 miles, and although my initial reaction was yes, they should, I'm now going to

Re: [liberationtech] Fwd: [g...@pryzby.org: Ubuntu, Dash, Shuttleworth and privacy]

2013-02-22 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Rich Kulawiec: On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 04:53:48AM +, Jacob Appelbaum wrote: Sounds like someone should upload a package that fixes all of the privacy problems, eh? I've thought about this for a couple of days and about 20 miles, and although my initial reaction was yes, they should, I'm

Re: [liberationtech] Fwd: [g...@pryzby.org: Ubuntu, Dash, Shuttleworth and privacy]

2013-02-22 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Micah Lee: On 02/22/2013 02:06 PM, Jacob Appelbaum wrote: The Opt-out strategy is useful. The question is - how does it make Ubuntu safer or more privacy preserving? For example - what if we were able to make a privacy preserving version that was also reasonably secure and everyone was happy?

Re: [liberationtech] Fwd: [g...@pryzby.org: Ubuntu, Dash, Shuttleworth and privacy]

2013-02-20 Thread danimoth
On 19/02/13 at 11:48am, Lee Fisher wrote: I'd suggest one that is fully-controlled by the community, like Debian, or another one of your preference. Anywhere in the world I won't use Debian, because of the fact that packages shipped are modified and patched a lot. That means other people

Re: [liberationtech] Fwd: [g...@pryzby.org: Ubuntu, Dash, Shuttleworth and privacy]

2013-02-20 Thread Julian Oliver
..on Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 06:17:16PM +0200, Maxim Kammerer wrote: On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 5:49 PM, micah anderson mi...@riseup.net wrote: Developers never made a mistake leading to a security problem, so Debian's one mistake in 2006 should be forever trotted out as an example of how Debian

Re: [liberationtech] Fwd: [g...@pryzby.org: Ubuntu, Dash, Shuttleworth and privacy]

2013-02-20 Thread micah anderson
Maxim Kammerer m...@dee.su writes: I have sent a patch to the author of HTPdate, and he wrote back that a “Debian security administrator” already went over the code with him line-by-line. There is no such thing as a Debian security administrator, and HTPdate is not in Debian, so I'm not sure

Re: [liberationtech] Fwd: [g...@pryzby.org: Ubuntu, Dash, Shuttleworth and privacy]

2013-02-20 Thread intrigeri
Hi, Julian Oliver wrote (20 Feb 2013 16:27:24 GMT) : Did you file a bug? It doesn't look like you did. You should do it. The program Maxim was talking of is not part of Debian. ... and I agree it's totally unclear if that “Debian security administrator” was anything but a random system

Re: [liberationtech] Fwd: [g...@pryzby.org: Ubuntu, Dash, Shuttleworth and privacy]

2013-02-20 Thread Maxim Kammerer
On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 6:46 PM, Julian Oliver jul...@julianoliver.com wrote: Yes, just after sending the email I 'apt-cache search htpdate', returning nothing. It seems Maxim might have confused Debian with another distribution of GNU/Linux. No, I didn't — I know what Debian is. I remember

Re: [liberationtech] Fwd: [g...@pryzby.org: Ubuntu, Dash, Shuttleworth and privacy]

2013-02-20 Thread micah anderson
danimoth danim...@cryptolab.net writes: On 20/02/13 at 10:49am, micah anderson wrote: Developers never made a mistake leading to a security problem, so Debian's one mistake in 2006 should be forever trotted out as an example of how Debian sucks, good point. Sorry, but this distinction

Re: [liberationtech] Fwd: [g...@pryzby.org: Ubuntu, Dash, Shuttleworth and privacy]

2013-02-20 Thread Lee Fisher
Anyway, we are free to choose what fit our requirements. True. Is there any formal academic research on the topic of distro stability/quality/security, with any listed attributes/requirements? On one hand, corporate control tends to spyware backdoors. On the other, volunteer control could

Re: [liberationtech] Fwd: [g...@pryzby.org: Ubuntu, Dash, Shuttleworth and privacy]

2013-02-19 Thread Lee Fisher
If this sort of behaviour from Ubuntu continues, what I would suggest is that simply people start recommending other Linux distributions. Personally I'm a big Fedora fan: It has the same level of ease of use and features as Ubuntu and also a nice aesthetic and full SELinux security features

[liberationtech] Fwd: [g...@pryzby.org: Ubuntu, Dash, Shuttleworth and privacy]

2013-02-18 Thread Rich Kulawiec
The short version is that Ubuntu is now pre-compromised. (Or if you prefer Stallman's phrasing, and I agree with him, it's spyware.) And given the appallingly tone-deaf nature of Shuttleworth/Canonical's responses, I very much doubt that this will be the end of it -- that is, I fully expect other

Re: [liberationtech] Fwd: [g...@pryzby.org: Ubuntu, Dash, Shuttleworth and privacy]

2013-02-18 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Rich Kulawiec: The short version is that Ubuntu is now pre-compromised. (Or if you prefer Stallman's phrasing, and I agree with him, it's spyware.) And given the appallingly tone-deaf nature of Shuttleworth/Canonical's responses, I very much doubt that this will be the end of it -- that is,

Re: [liberationtech] Fwd: [g...@pryzby.org: Ubuntu, Dash, Shuttleworth and privacy]

2013-02-18 Thread Nadim Kobeissi
If the Ubuntu team can't be convinced to take a policy standpoint against things like this, then the project suffers from a cancer that runs deep and can't be mitigated with blog posts and patches. Most users won't know they're being tracked like this and won't be the kind of user that looks up