Re: [liberationtech] CryptoParty Handbook

2012-10-11 Thread The Doctor
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/10/2012 06:10 AM, Julian Oliver wrote: Seth, your comments about the Quantum Crypto text are excellent and, on looking more closely, factually correct. I personally don't think such material has a place in a handbook like this but with your

Re: [liberationtech] CryptoParty Handbook

2012-10-10 Thread Julian Oliver
Hi list, Great to be subscribed! I'm one of the core group that spearheaded the CryptoParty Handbook here in Berlin and thought I'd share a few words on its reception. I'd like to emphasise that the point of the book is not as a static reference guide but a text intended to grow in direct

Re: [liberationtech] CryptoParty Handbook

2012-10-10 Thread Julian Oliver
..on Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 12:10:10PM +0200, Julian Oliver wrote: There's a conspicuous lack of OpenVPN clients out there for Smartphones. Should've read: There's a conspicuous lack of OpenVPN clients out there for non-rooted Smartphones making L2TP/IPSec is the next best choice. Cheers, --

Re: [liberationtech] CryptoParty Handbook

2012-10-10 Thread Sacha van Geffen
Hi Julian, congratulations with the cryptoparty book; On 10/10/12 12:10, Julian Oliver wrote: Indeed the unchecked references to PPTP were unfortunate, imported from the book Basic Internet Security (Gerber, Hassan, Stein, van Geffen, van Santen, van der Velden, den Tex, Schmidt et al).

Re: [liberationtech] CryptoParty Handbook

2012-10-10 Thread Julian Oliver
Hey Sasha, ..on Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 01:08:22PM +0200, Sacha van Geffen wrote: congratulations with the cryptoparty book; On 10/10/12 12:10, Julian Oliver wrote: Indeed the unchecked references to PPTP were unfortunate, imported from the book Basic Internet Security (Gerber,

Re: [liberationtech] CryptoParty Handbook

2012-10-10 Thread Sacha van Geffen
Hi Julian, On 10/10/12 13:41, Julian Oliver wrote: Hey Sasha, . The book is a handbook, so it should contain the HOWTOs alongside introductions to core concepts, threats, etc. There was a lot missing from Basic Internet Security that needed to be covered for it to be a guide for

Re: [liberationtech] CryptoParty Handbook

2012-10-10 Thread Julian Oliver
..on Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 03:08:25PM +0200, Sacha van Geffen wrote: Hi Julian, On 10/10/12 13:41, Julian Oliver wrote: Hey Sasha, . The book is a handbook, so it should contain the HOWTOs alongside introductions to core concepts, threats, etc. There was a lot missing from

Re: [liberationtech] CryptoParty Handbook

2012-10-09 Thread Asher Wolf
Re: the book edit portal - I do not have control over the platform it is being edited on. The handbook project was launched by people in Berlin's CryptoParty, and I was brought on board at a later point. On 9/10/12 9:30 AM, Jacob Appelbaum wrote: @samthetechie Why were you offended? Did

Re: [liberationtech] CryptoParty Handbook

2012-10-09 Thread Asher Wolf
My biggest concern is with getting insecure suggestion out of the book asap. Jake, if the entire chapter is worse than useless, please delete it? x. Asher On 9/10/12 9:36 AM, Jacob Appelbaum wrote: The chapter that talked about using PPTP is straight up crazy talk. Anyone using PPTP is worse

Re: [liberationtech] CryptoParty Handbook

2012-10-09 Thread Asher Wolf
On 9/10/12 9:46 AM, Jacob Appelbaum wrote: I'm sorry to say it but a lot of the users have been here for a while - most people that use crypto just don't know they're doing it. Ironically, if users don't get good advice, they'll just be in the same spot - thinking they're safe when they're

Re: [liberationtech] CryptoParty Handbook

2012-10-09 Thread Andy Isaacson
On Fri, Oct 05, 2012 at 05:43:46AM +0200, Maxim Kammerer wrote: Did anyone try this with devices that are supposed to be resistant to file shredding due to wear leveling? I tried the following on two USB keys, one ~12 years old, another ~6 years old, both formatted as FAT32: echo

Re: [liberationtech] CryptoParty Handbook

2012-10-09 Thread Bernard Tyers - ei8fdb
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 7 Oct 2012, at 22:35, Brian Conley wrote: Greg its called orbot and it runs on Android. Secondly I used to agree with you, but I'm increasingly coming to the conclusion that user education, not simplification, is the more important piece of

Re: [liberationtech] CryptoParty Handbook

2012-10-09 Thread Asher Wolf
I still haven't understood the canonical url for editing - can you tell me where the main book editing page is? I agree with Adam that Github won't involve the right people but if that is the only interface, I'll fork the book and send a pull request. Thanks, please list issues here:

Re: [liberationtech] CryptoParty Handbook

2012-10-09 Thread Asher Wolf
On 9/10/12 10:36 PM, Jacob Appelbaum wrote: I did not work on the technical aspects of the book. I cannot. I do not have the right skill set. This attitude, I think, is a key issue this community and many others face. You cannot? Or you will not? I believe that you are totally able to

Re: [liberationtech] CryptoParty Handbook

2012-10-09 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Bernard Tyers - ei8fdb: On 8 Oct 2012, at 23:46, Jacob Appelbaum wrote: Asher Wolf: The argument everyone is politely avoiding - while pondering the numerous ways CryptoParty will expose already compromised individuals - is whether the masses SHOULD use crypto. I'm not ignoring it

Re: [liberationtech] CryptoParty Handbook

2012-10-09 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Asher Wolf: On 9/10/12 10:36 PM, Jacob Appelbaum wrote: I did not work on the technical aspects of the book. I cannot. I do not have the right skill set. This attitude, I think, is a key issue this community and many others face. You cannot? Or you will not? I believe that you are

Re: [liberationtech] CryptoParty Handbook

2012-10-09 Thread ttscanada
On 12-10-09 10:41 AM, Jacob Appelbaum wrote: ttscanada: On 12-10-09 4:23 AM, Bernard Tyers - ei8fdb wrote: Sending a PGP encrypted e-mail to you mom, should be as easy as sending an un-encrypted e-mail to your mom. But the education of why you should be sending an e-mail encrypted should also

Re: [liberationtech] CryptoParty Handbook

2012-10-09 Thread ttscanada
Case in point: I received an invitation under the names of five separate organizations I am affiliated with (none of which are OWS related) to fill this out. It originally said real name required, was changed to alias after I objected publicly, but the rest still stands.

Re: [liberationtech] CryptoParty Handbook

2012-10-09 Thread ttscanada
On 12-10-09 1:53 PM, Jacob Appelbaum wrote: Heather Marsh: Yes, you are outlining two cases where you are communicating with people you know as a person known to them. I am suggesting we (as in large scale movements around the world) need to look more closely at data driven (as opposed to

Re: [liberationtech] CryptoParty Handbook

2012-10-08 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Greg Norcie: Any book written by non-experts about something as complicated as crypto will have imperfections. But sometimes security researchers become paralyzed with the need for something to be perfect. You need to look at it from a public health perspective. Also - sometimes people

Re: [liberationtech] CryptoParty Handbook

2012-10-07 Thread Greg Norcie
I think this is a great project. But I do think that a manual is a stopgap measure - it would also be great if we worked towards making these tools usable enough that they didn't need a manual. If we can make an iPod so easy enough for our grandparents to use, we should be able to do the same

Re: [liberationtech] CryptoParty Handbook

2012-10-07 Thread Samuel Carlisle
I was actually really offended by @ioerror's comment on twitter. Even if it was justified technically I think the mature approach is to use his personal reach and voice online to rally collaborators to help make the handbook better not declaim it for the sake of it... I nearly tweeted back with

Re: [liberationtech] CryptoParty Handbook

2012-10-07 Thread Alec Muffett
Sigh. The handbook is not perfect by any means, but someone using it is probably better off than if they were simply going in blind. ...and 50 Shades of Grey is better than nothing as far as relationship manuals go? Yes, that's flippant, but (eg) someone to whom I am talking has just

Re: [liberationtech] CryptoParty Handbook

2012-10-07 Thread Asher Wolf
Edits to the #CryptoParty handbook can be made here: https://github.com/cryptoparty/handbook -- Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password at: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech

Re: [liberationtech] CryptoParty Handbook

2012-10-05 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Fri, Oct 05, 2012 at 05:43:46AM +0200, Maxim Kammerer wrote: Did anyone try this with devices that are supposed to be resistant to file shredding due to wear leveling? I tried the following on two USB Wear levelling is a function of newer devices (your old USB flash sticks are unlikely to

Re: [liberationtech] CryptoParty Handbook

2012-10-05 Thread Maxim Kammerer
On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 8:33 AM, Eugen Leitl eu...@leitl.org wrote: Wear levelling is a function of newer devices (your old USB flash sticks are unlikely to have it, but your new SSD definitely has) and it hides damaged blocks transparently by using the overprovisioned flash block pool (its

Re: [liberationtech] CryptoParty Handbook

2012-10-05 Thread KheOps
Good day to you all :) On 10/05/2012 03:57 AM, Griffin Boyce wrote: Hey all, Considering both the complexity of material and the time constraints involved, the handbook came out beautifully. It's well-laid out and covers a surprisingly large number of topics step-by-step at a beginner

Re: [liberationtech] CryptoParty Handbook

2012-10-05 Thread Jonathan Corbet
On Thu, 4 Oct 2012 14:13:13 -0700 Andrew Mallis o...@ideograph.ca wrote: This 392 page, Creative Commons licensed handbook is designed to help those with no prior experience to protect their basic human right to Privacy in networked, digital domains. This seems like good stuff, but I have

Re: [liberationtech] CryptoParty Handbook

2012-10-04 Thread Steve Weis
For what it's worth regarding multiple passes to sanitize data: http://www.infosecisland.com/blogview/16130-The-Urban-Legend-of-Multipass-Hard-Disk-Overwrite.html http://cs.harvard.edu/malan/publications/pet06.pdf On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 5:06 PM, Seth David Schoen sch...@eff.org wrote: I was

Re: [liberationtech] CryptoParty Handbook

2012-10-04 Thread Brian Conley
If someone wanted to make an edit, what is the best way to note that or redistribute a derivative work? Thanks for the hard work! On Oct 4, 2012 9:27 PM, Asher Wolf asherw...@cryptoparty.org wrote: As one of the people asked to participate in the writing in the CryptoParty Handbook, I was

Re: [liberationtech] CryptoParty Handbook

2012-10-04 Thread Nick M. Daly
Andrew Mallis o...@ideograph.ca writes: This 392 page, Creative Commons licensed handbook is designed to help those with no prior experience to protect their basic human right to Privacy in networked, digital domains... Most importantly however this handbook is intended as a reference for

Re: [liberationtech] CryptoParty Handbook

2012-10-04 Thread Maxim Kammerer
On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 2:06 AM, Seth David Schoen sch...@eff.org wrote: NIST and others have thought about what appropriate cryptographic key lengths are to respond to the phenomenon of computers getting faster. That's why current NIST recommendations call for using 2048-bit RSA instead of