[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 102051] EDITING: find sentence or paragraph with too many words

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V Stuart Foote  changed:

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[Bug 103479] [META] Word count bugs and enhancements
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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 102051] EDITING: find sentence or paragraph with too many words

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Yousuf Philips (jay)  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

   Keywords|needsUXEval |
 Status|NEW |RESOLVED
 CC|libreoffice-ux-advise@lists |
   |.freedesktop.org|
 Resolution|--- |WONTFIX

--- Comment #9 from Yousuf Philips (jay)  ---
So i believe we've gotten a big enough consensus about this, so lets close it.
If other ux-advise members disagree, we can discuss it at the weekly design
meeting.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 102051] EDITING: find sentence or paragraph with too many words

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--- Comment #8 from V Stuart Foote  ---
Yes, this does not belong in core and should be done as a proper extension
addressing these simpler metrics, and more ambitious WOPSE/TEKSTAT and
readability scoring from bug 87628.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 102051] EDITING: find sentence or paragraph with too many words

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--- Comment #7 from Cor Nouws  ---
(In reply to Yousuf Philips (jay) from comment #6)

> users have access to regex. So i'd agree with m.a.riosv that it isnt a
> useful enough feature to have builtin to LO and more suitable as an
> extension.
> 
> @UX-Advice, @Regina, @Cor, @Stuart: What's your take?

+1 for m.a.riosv's take on this

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 102051] EDITING: find sentence or paragraph with too many words

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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=102051

Yousuf Philips (jay)  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

   Keywords||needsUXEval
 Status|REOPENED|NEW
 CC||c...@nouenoff.nl,
   ||libreoffice-ux-advise@lists
   ||.freedesktop.org,
   ||philip...@hotmail.com,
   ||rb.hensc...@t-online.de

--- Comment #6 from Yousuf Philips (jay)  ---
Definitely would be nice to make such a feature easily usable to beginners, but
doubt such users would care for such a feature, which is why advanced users
have access to regex. So i'd agree with m.a.riosv that it isnt a useful enough
feature to have builtin to LO and more suitable as an extension.

@UX-Advice, @Regina, @Cor, @Stuart: What's your take?

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 102051] EDITING: find sentence or paragraph with too many words

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Heiko Tietze  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Blocks||102847
 Depends on|102847  |


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[Bug 102847] [META] Quick Find, Search and Replace
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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 102051] EDITING: find sentence or paragraph with too many words

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Heiko Tietze  changed:

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 Depends on||102847


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[Bug 102847] [META] Quick Find, Search and Replace
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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 102051] EDITING: find sentence or paragraph with too many words

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--- Comment #5 from Nick Levinson  ---
I just wrote an essay over 40,000 words long, over 80 pages long. Using Writer
without regex, how would I find which sentences or paragraphs are longer than
some given number of words? Usually, I don't need to find out if a chosen
sentence is too long; I need to find which sentences are too long. The feature
should check the whole document (or a large selection).

Min and max are good ideas (typing a period where a comma was intended could
produce a too-short sentence and max could find those) but I might call them
something else to be clearer to ordinary users, like "too long" for maximum and
"too short" for minimum, as that would clarify why you would want to set those
parameters.

I didn't find a way to do the length evaluation in Tools > Options > Language
Settings > Writing Aids and either (Writing Aids >) Available Language Modules
> Lightproof Grammar Checker (English) or (Writing Aids >) Options. (Options >)
Check Grammar As You Type is already checkmarked on and it's not doing this.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 102051] EDITING: find sentence or paragraph with too many words

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m.a.riosv  changed:

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 CC|miguelangelrv@libreoffice.o |
   |rg  |

--- Comment #4 from m.a.riosv  ---
I don't think Ordinary Mortals are worried about how many words, letters or
anything else on a paragraph.

They can know how many words or characters are in paragraph selecting it, on
status bar, and clicking on it more information.

If you go to Menu/Tools/Options/Language Settings you can find

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 102051] EDITING: find sentence or paragraph with too many words

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Heiko Tietze  changed:

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 CC||vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu

--- Comment #3 from Heiko Tietze  ---
Sounds reasonable to me, paragraph and sentence length should be added to the
English grammar checker with (editable) minimum and maximum values. Wonder if
this hasn't been implemented in an extension.

And wasn't there a similar discussion recently, Stuart? (CC'ing)

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 102051] EDITING: find sentence or paragraph with too many words

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Nick Levinson  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|RESOLVED|REOPENED
 Resolution|WORKSFORME  |---
 Ever confirmed|0   |1

--- Comment #2 from Nick Levinson  ---
Disagree. That's not a method for ordinary mortals. Common users -- people who
want to type a letter, print it, and enjoy lunch without learning computer
arcana -- don't know about regex. If they find their way to it, it's
intimidating to most people and complicated. And most people think of sentence
or paragraph length in terms of numbers of words, not letters, and don't know
that in ordinary English they should multiply a word count by 7 (including
spaces etc.), and many people don't use ordinary English, like scholars and
maybe playwrights.

I'm geeky, so I saw that your solution should work and is logical. (Regex
failed on my computer but it used to work, so I assume there's a glitch not
relevant to this report.)

A grammar or style checker in a menu would be a lot friendlier. It can use
regex behind the scenes, but ordinary users should not have to use regex except
as a last resort, and that's available already. Friendliness in the software
will expand LO's acceptance and help in competing against Microsoft Office.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 102051] EDITING: find sentence or paragraph with too many words

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m.a.riosv  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|UNCONFIRMED |RESOLVED
 CC||miguelangelrv@libreoffice.o
   ||rg
 Resolution|--- |WORKSFORME

--- Comment #1 from m.a.riosv  ---
If I understand what you are requesting, search for long sentences it's easy if
you enable regular expressions for search.

Instead of 'Find' use Menu/Edit/Find & Replace [Ctrl+H],
for search use '.{120,}' and mark in more options regular expression,
with that you can find sentences with more than 120 letters.

You can fin more on the help about regular expression:
https://help.libreoffice.org/Common/List_of_Regular_Expressions

Please if you are not agree reopen it.

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