[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 112973] Some font families getting split in English locale

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--- Comment #18 from Eyal Rozenberg  ---
(In reply to ⁨خالد حسني⁩ from comment #16)
> Please do not re-open bugs randomly. This bug is about dependency between
> locales which is already fixed.

Ok, sorry, I thought you were closing it because of also closing 35538. Will
leave this one closed.

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--- Comment #17 from ⁨خالد حسني⁩  ---
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> Please do not re-open bugs randomly. This bug is about dependency between
> locales which is already fixed.

s/dependency/discrepancy/

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--- Comment #16 from ⁨خالد حسني⁩  ---
Please do not re-open bugs randomly. This bug is about dependency between
locales which is already fixed.

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--- Comment #15 from Eyal Rozenberg  ---
(In reply to ⁨خالد حسني⁩ from comment #14)
> We only support R/B/I/BI font family model

Which is a bug.


> for various legacy and compatibility reasons

Legacy, in the sense that this is how it was implemented before? That's not
much of an argument.

As for compatibility - the 2x2 dichotomy would simply be translated into a more
expressive font selection information. That's part of the required work.

> and that is why families with styles other than these
> four get handles as separate font families. This is intentional and not a bug.

It's a bug, even if done intentionally. Done intentionally" just means someone
made the wrong call. It is unreasonable for an office suite to just decide it
won't properly support things like a style for making one's font oblique, or
increasing the weight to a certain fraction of the maximum etc., because of an
ugly "jerry-rigging" of variants into a separate font family.

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--- Comment #14 from ⁨خالد حسني⁩  ---
We only support R/B/I/BI font family model for various legacy and compatibility
reasons, and that is why families with styles other than these four get handles
as separate font families. This is intentional and not a bug.

I don’t get the difference between English and Russian locales as well, the
font is split the same either way.

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 CC||caol...@redhat.com

--- Comment #12 from Mihkel Tõnnov  ---
Bibisected first using the sparse Releases repository, which said 4.3.3.1 was
the fist bad "commit". So tried with 44max repository, where:

35dc99d53b0a61823b3731e866dd9da0ab3b9141 is the first bad commit
commit 9436ae99438ccc24a86aff61aaa9174a9686814f
Author: Caolán McNamara 
AuthorDate: Fri Sep 12 10:20:48 2014 +0100
Commit: Caolán McNamara 
CommitDate: Fri Sep 12 10:28:21 2014 +0100

Related: fdo#82259 implement mac ttf fontname encoding support

which is why these font's are not appearing under Linux

https://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=9436ae99438ccc24a86aff61aaa9174a9686814f
... which looks like a credible cause indeed (and was backported to 4.3.3 -
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Releases/4.3.3/RC1).

Adding Caolán to CC.

However I notice that the above results contradict the "Version 3.6.7.2"
information currently in the ticket, so I tested that version specifically
using both the Releases bibisect repo and old appimages - and I don't see this
behaviour there:
3.6.7.2 is fine (no difference between en_US and others).
4.3.0.4 appimage is fine as well, but
4.3.7.2 appimage is broken (different font listing between en_US and others).
This matches with the bibisect result, too.

One thing to note is that I had to run the bibisect using SAL_USE_VCLPLUGIN=gen
because otherwise LibO wouldn't start. I don't know if different VCL plugin
could affect this?

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--- Comment #11 from Mihkel Tõnnov  ---
I'll try my luck bibisecting this later today/tomorrow.

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--- Comment #10 from Mihkel Tõnnov  ---
Still repro with 6.3.4 and also current master, running on Arch Linux.

With LANG=et_EE or en_GB (regardless of the actual UI language in LibO), the
various weights of fonts like Fira Sans are grouped into one family (and, in
case there are many weights, some of them are rendered inaccessible); with
en_US, the weights are listed as separate families (which makes the font list
very, very long if one has many multi-weight fonts installed).

In any case, current dependency on system locale breaks document
interoperability.


Referenced Bugs:

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35538
[Bug 35538] Handling of fonts with more than 4 styles (R/B/I/BI) is suboptimal
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=98596
[Bug 98596] Incorrect handling of font families (weight, style, stretches) on
Linux
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113638
[Bug 113638] [META] Fonts listed in LibreOffice
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--- Comment #8 from Timur I. Davletshin  ---
Still can be reproduced in LO 6.0

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*** Bug 113682 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

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--- Comment #6 from Timur I. Davletshin  ---
(In reply to Khaled Hosny from comment #5)
> (In reply to Timur I. Davletshin from comment #4)
> > (In reply to Khaled Hosny from comment #3)
> > > The behaviour under the English locale is the correct one IMO, since
> > > otherwise you wouldn’t have a way to use Vollkorn Black or Warnock Pro
> > > Caption etc.
> > 
> > I believe it is not. They belong to one family, additional properties are
> > available in Format -> Character -> Style.
> 
> But you can’t select them from the main UI since only buttons for R/I/B/BI
> are provided. The way other office suite(s) work is by grouping only the
> four basic styles and anything else is considered a separate family.

I have little chance to use other office suites last decade, so cannot comment
which way is de facto standard these days. But without any doubt compatibility 
should not depend on locale used on client's PC. E.g. I received document
created in Russian locale and fonts are mess on my English locale PC. IMHO
opinion, relying on font family specified in font file is the best approach.
Some foundries make fonts available as stylistic variants, others prefer to
define separate family name.

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--- Comment #5 from Khaled Hosny  ---
(In reply to Timur I. Davletshin from comment #4)
> (In reply to Khaled Hosny from comment #3)
> > The behaviour under the English locale is the correct one IMO, since
> > otherwise you wouldn’t have a way to use Vollkorn Black or Warnock Pro
> > Caption etc.
> 
> I believe it is not. They belong to one family, additional properties are
> available in Format -> Character -> Style.

But you can’t select them from the main UI since only buttons for R/I/B/BI are
provided. The way other office suite(s) work is by grouping only the four basic
styles and anything else is considered a separate family.

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--- Comment #4 from Timur I. Davletshin  ---
(In reply to Khaled Hosny from comment #3)
> The behaviour under the English locale is the correct one IMO, since
> otherwise you wouldn’t have a way to use Vollkorn Black or Warnock Pro
> Caption etc.

I believe it is not. They belong to one family, additional properties are
available in Format -> Character -> Style.

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Referenced Bugs:

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=71732
[Bug 71732] [META] Bugs related to text rendering, typography and font features
in LO
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113438
[Bug 113438] [META] Font name combobox bugs and enhancements
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--- Comment #3 from Khaled Hosny  ---
The behaviour under the English locale is the correct one IMO, since otherwise
you wouldn’t have a way to use Vollkorn Black or Warnock Pro Caption etc.

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--- Comment #2 from Buovjaga  ---
Reproduced by running
LANG=en_US.UTF-8 libreoffice

Arch Linux 64-bit, KDE Plasma 5
Version: 6.0.0.0.alpha1+
Build ID: 64024d7c18bd114eb9958cf80eea9129e09923bd
CPU threads: 8; OS: Linux 4.13; UI render: default; VCL: kde4; 
Locale: fi-FI (fi_FI.UTF-8); Calc: group
Built on November 3rd 2017

Arch Linux 64-bit
Version 3.6.7.2 (Build ID: e183d5b)


Referenced Bugs:

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=71732
[Bug 71732] [META] Bugs related to text rendering, typography and font features
in LO
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--- Comment #1 from Timur I. Davletshin  ---
Created attachment 136826
  --> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=136826=edit
Screenshot of LO font dialog, started in English locale (top) and Russian
(bottom)

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