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It seems work with LibreOfficeDev 5.3, see attachment 128422.

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--- Comment #25 from Patrick Schönbach  ---
For me, this is almost a show stopper as I deal with a lot of old German fonts
that heavily rely on OpenType features.

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--- Comment #24 from Patrick Schönbach  ---
Why was the support for OpenType ligatures and context alternatives dropped
again in 5.1 on Windows? It started to work quite well in 5.0!

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*** Bug 98733 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

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--- Comment #22 from tomas...@gmail.com ---
(In reply to dan980 from comment #21)
> (In reply to tomaskeb from comment #17)
> > In LO 5.0.2, standard ligatures started to work on Windows without being
> > mentioned in any release notes. How is that possible?
> 
> In LO 5.1.1, standard ligatures do not work anymore on Windows

It is a shame it was removed. There should be a setting to enable/disable the
ligatures…

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--- Comment #21 from dan...@gmx.com ---
(In reply to tomaskeb from comment #17)
> In LO 5.0.2, standard ligatures started to work on Windows without being
> mentioned in any release notes. How is that possible?

In LO 5.1.1, standard ligatures do not work anymore on Windows

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--- Comment #20 from General Kutuzov  ---
On LO Writer 5.1.1 on Windows 10, OT ligatures seems closed.

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--- Comment #19 from General Kutuzov  ---
(In reply to General Kutuzov from comment #18)
> (In reply to tomaskeb from comment #17)
> > In LO 5.0.2, standard ligatures started to work on Windows without being
> > mentioned in any release notes. How is that possible?
> 
> I have also tested standard ligatures in LO 5.0.3 for Windows, when I input
> fi, ff, fl, they works in FreeSerif font, but when I input
> “FreeSerif:liga=0”, these ligatures are still there. It seems to me that LO
> for Windows implemented this feature, but LO have no way of turning on or
> turning off.

This problem can also be reproduced with Doulos SIL font.

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--- Comment #18 from General Kutuzov  ---
(In reply to tomaskeb from comment #17)
> In LO 5.0.2, standard ligatures started to work on Windows without being
> mentioned in any release notes. How is that possible?

I have also tested standard ligatures in LO 5.0.3 for Windows, when I input fi,
ff, fl, they works in FreeSerif font, but when I input “FreeSerif:liga=0”,
these ligatures are still there. It seems to me that LO for Windows implemented
this feature, but LO have no way of turning on or turning off.

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--- Comment #17 from tomas...@gmail.com ---
In LO 5.0.2, standard ligatures started to work on Windows without being
mentioned in any release notes. How is that possible?

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--- Comment #16 from General Kutuzov shanshandehongx...@outlook.com ---
Well, I have noticed that Inkscape developers have announced that they have
implemented the way of accessing OpenType font feature in the developer release
at planet.inkscape.org, which depend on corresponding feature of Pango version
1.37.1 and greater. I think you can try to use this engine on Windows to
resolve this bug.

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--- Comment #15 from General Kutuzov shanshandehongx...@outlook.com ---
Additional note for comment 14:

You can get the WebODF addon from here:
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/webodf/

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--- Comment #13 from General Kutuzov shanshandehongx...@outlook.com ---
Oh~well, there is still no way to using OpenType feature in LibreOffice 5 for
Windows. I tried to get small caps, ligatures and localized forms from
FreeSerif and FreeSans, but they seems not appeared.

I got these fonts from here: https://code.launchpad.net/~dns/+recipe/freefont

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--- Comment #14 from General Kutuzov shanshandehongx...@outlook.com ---
(In reply to Alessandro Ceschini from comment #0)
 Created attachment 82434 [details]
 Ligatures in LO
 
 Hello everybody,
 
 I'm running LO 4.0.2.2 and the only fonts that show ligatures fi, ff,
 fl, ffl, ffi are:
 
 - Linux Libertine G
 - Old Standard TT
 
 Fonts which display ligatures under XeLaTeX but don't do so on LO are:
 
 - Free Serif
 - DejaVu Serif
 - Linux Libertine O
 - Minion Pro
 
 See attachment
 
 Why this erratic behaviour?

I got your attachment, opened this file by Firefox (through WebODF addon), I
found all these ligatures can be seen with Linux Libertine G, Free Serif,
DejaVu Serif, Linux Libertine O.

(In reply to Khaled Hosny from comment #6)
 (In reply to General Kutuzov from comment #5)
  I think integrating XeTeX/XeLaTeX typesetting engine to handle these
  features can found the way to solve the bug.
 
 We already use the same layout engine used by XeTeX (HarfBuzz) on Linux.

I have known that Firefox also use HarfBuzz on both Linux and Windows

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--- Comment #12 from General Kutuzov shanshandehongx...@outlook.com ---
There is an indication that HarfBuzz will embedded the Graphite2 layout engine,
i.e. you can use HarfBuzz to get a way to implement both OT and Graphite font
shaping in the future.

https://github.com/behdad/harfbuzz/pull/107

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--- Comment #11 from General Kutuzov shanshandehongx...@outlook.com ---
Some food for thought on this topic from LGM 2015:
http://www.freesoftwhere.org/2015/05/07/opentype-workshop-lgm-2015/
I think this is good idea if you want to get the way to resolve this bug in LO
for Windows.

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--- Comment #10 from General Kutuzov shanshandehongx...@outlook.com ---
(In reply to Khaled Hosny from comment #6)
 (In reply to General Kutuzov from comment #5)
  I think integrating XeTeX/XeLaTeX typesetting engine to handle these
  features can found the way to solve the bug.
 
 We already use the same layout engine used by XeTeX (HarfBuzz) on Linux.

Well I think some fonts looks badly when layout with Uniscribe, so I think it's
better embedding this layout engine into Windows version.

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--- Comment #9 from General Kutuzov shanshandehongx...@outlook.com ---
(In reply to JC Ahangama from comment #7)
 (In reply to Khaled Hosny from comment #6)
  (In reply to General Kutuzov from comment #5)
   I think integrating XeTeX/XeLaTeX typesetting engine to handle these
   features can found the way to solve the bug.
  
  We already use the same layout engine used by XeTeX (HarfBuzz) on Linux.
 
 Your statement that ligatures of simple scripts work fine in OSX and Linux
 is true. I have a feeling though that Windows treats only the set of English
 ligatures as ligatures of the Simple Script, perhaps continuing the stop-gap
 measure used until font makers understood OpenType PUA (Private User Area)
 and look-up tables. The English ligatures were assigned the first few
 codepoints of PUA. 
 
 Very soon, Unicode refused to assign any more codepoints for specific
 ligatures of languages, telling them to follow OT standard. Open Type (now
 Open Font) standard allows font foundries to place ligatures in the PUA and
 evoke them using look-up tables. There are three kinds of ligatures but
 Standard (regular) Ligatures are rendered by a program by default.
 
 Windows Notepad, All browsers, Abiword, Mac, Linux, LO Write in Linux,
 Excel, Gnumeric show standard ligatures correctly. 
 
 Uniquely, MS Word and LO Write do it randomly and intersperse spaces
 everywhere and forget to make some ligatures as well. IE was like this until
 the latest version, but now fixed.

Well, BabelPad (from http://babelstone.co.uk/) also show standard ligatures
correctly, I have tested this app with Linux Libertine G, Linux Libertine O,
Free Serif, DejaVu Serif.

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--- Comment #8 from General Kutuzov shanshandehongx...@outlook.com ---
(In reply to Khaled Hosny from comment #6)
 (In reply to General Kutuzov from comment #5)
  I think integrating XeTeX/XeLaTeX typesetting engine to handle these
  features can found the way to solve the bug.
 
 We already use the same layout engine used by XeTeX (HarfBuzz) on Linux.

So what if using this layout engine for Windows version?

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--- Comment #7 from JC Ahangama j...@ahangama.com ---
(In reply to Khaled Hosny from comment #6)
 (In reply to General Kutuzov from comment #5)
  I think integrating XeTeX/XeLaTeX typesetting engine to handle these
  features can found the way to solve the bug.
 
 We already use the same layout engine used by XeTeX (HarfBuzz) on Linux.

Your statement that ligatures of simple scripts work fine in OSX and Linux is
true. I have a feeling though that Windows treats only the set of English
ligatures as ligatures of the Simple Script, perhaps continuing the stop-gap
measure used until font makers understood OpenType PUA (Private User Area) and
look-up tables. The English ligatures were assigned the first few codepoints of
PUA. 

Very soon, Unicode refused to assign any more codepoints for specific ligatures
of languages, telling them to follow OT standard. Open Type (now Open Font)
standard allows font foundries to place ligatures in the PUA and evoke them
using look-up tables. There are three kinds of ligatures but Standard (regular)
Ligatures are rendered by a program by default.

Windows Notepad, All browsers, Abiword, Mac, Linux, LO Write in Linux, Excel,
Gnumeric show standard ligatures correctly. 

Uniquely, MS Word and LO Write do it randomly and intersperse spaces everywhere
and forget to make some ligatures as well. IE was like this until the latest
version, but now fixed.

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--- Comment #5 from General Kutuzov shanshandehongx...@outlook.com ---
I think integrating XeTeX/XeLaTeX typesetting engine to handle these features
can found the way to solve the bug.

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--- Comment #6 from Khaled Hosny khaledho...@eglug.org ---
(In reply to General Kutuzov from comment #5)
 I think integrating XeTeX/XeLaTeX typesetting engine to handle these
 features can found the way to solve the bug.

We already use the same layout engine used by XeTeX (HarfBuzz) on Linux.

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--- Comment #3 from Owen Genat owen.ge...@gmail.com ---
(In reply to comment #0)
 Fonts which display ligatures under XeLaTeX but don't do so on LO are:
 
 - Free Serif
 - DejaVu Serif
 - Linux Libertine O
 - Minion Pro

Under v4.2.6.2 Build ID: 185f2ce4dcc34af9bd97dec29e6d42c39557298f all these
fonts display ligature substitution as expected. Same under v4.4.0.0.alpha0+
Build ID: aa0e3701aad1a8a955773e869d9a6b59eac51e72 TinderBox:
Linux-rpm_deb-x86_64@46-TDF, Branch:master, Time: 2014-08-10_07:00:01. 

Alessandro can you re-check using a more recent version? Status set to
NEEDINFO. Please set back to NEW (or RESOLVED as required) once the request
information is provided.

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--- Comment #4 from Adolfo Jayme f...@libreoffice.org ---
The bug remains under Windows only, as Khaled says this works both under Mac
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--- Comment #1 from Adolfo (fitoschido) f...@libreoffice.org ---
Writer currenly supports only Graphite fonts for automatic ligatures. It should
support OpenType ligatures, which are far more used.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 66916] Writer doesn't show ligatures of some fonts

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https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=66916

Khaled Hosny khaledho...@eglug.org changed:

   What|Removed |Added

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--- Comment #2 from Khaled Hosny khaledho...@eglug.org ---
OpenType ligatures for Latin and other simple scripts should work on Linux
starting with 4.1, and they already work on Mac. Ligatures for complex scripts
should work on all platforms already.

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