Re: [Libreoffice-qa] QA Meeting Minutes (2017-04-25)

2017-04-27 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi folks, On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 05:13:43PM +0200, Xisco Fauli wrote: > Hello, > > > * QA telegram group (x1sc0, 16:17:48) > > * buovjaga> yeah forums are better for asynch discussion (x1sc0, > > 16:23:03) > > * cloph is sceptical, doesn't think telegram would be > >

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2017-01-13 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 04:41:44PM +0100, Alexander Thurgood wrote: > So, dropping make 3.8.1 on Mac would clearly push people not to build > with the XCode system provided tools ? Well, it is still GNU make. But yes in general, its suggested to work on LibreOffice in a well defined

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2016-12-15 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 12:19:54PM +0100, Cor Nouws wrote: > Michael Meeks wrote on 08-12-16 17:56: > > + Mail merge regressions: http://tdf.io/mmregressions > > + 4 open; 4 open last meeting (2 OSX, 1 Linux, 1 generic but hard > > repro) > > => drop from the QA

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2016-12-08 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Thu, Dec 08, 2016 at 04:56:07PM +, Michael Meeks wrote: > + someone creating e.g. a Visual Studio extension that does > all the cygwin/git clone/gerrit bootstrapping would be much appreciated > though (Bjoern) > [...] > + eg. a pre-canned bundle with

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] 41max and 42max bibisect repositories?

2016-10-04 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Tue, Oct 04, 2016 at 04:08:03PM +0200, Xisco Fauli wrote: > I'm afraid that's not right. Indeed, the 43all contains the old 43only/42only/41only etc. -- not the XXmax ones. Just looking at the history in the wiki, the download links to TDF servers still seem to work though:

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] 41max and 42max bibisect repositories?

2016-10-04 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Tue, Oct 04, 2016 at 01:23:05PM +0200, Xisco Fauli wrote: > Does anybody know anything about 41max and 42max bibisect repositories > mentioned in this video: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLmEfvjVN7s=07m39s ? > I can't find them anywhere but it would be wonderful to have those too.

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call: 2016-08-18

2016-08-19 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 06:36:50PM +0200, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: > AI: + bring patch for Writer regression stat update (Bjoern) Done: https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/28239 Best, Bjoern ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail addr

[Libreoffice-qa] UX bugzilla queries (was: minutes of ESC call: 2016-08-18)

2016-08-18 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi Heiko, On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 06:36:50PM +0200, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: > * UX Update (Heiko) > + from: > http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/kendy-collabora-com-Minutes-of-ESC-call-2016-08-11-tp4190974p4190988.html > + ux-advice: keep it, because many bugs are not

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call: 2016-08-18

2016-08-18 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
* Present: Norbert, Sophie, Armin, Stephan, Robinson, Christian, Thorsten, Jan-Marek, Bjoern, Eike, Miklos, Lionel, Olivier, Heiko * Completed Action Items: + fixed with 62c4a8aacf76771e97a8da35096e6ad69a11979a - was: explain the reason why "make debug=T" doesnt build with symbols anymore

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2016-06-03 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Thu, Jun 02, 2016 at 06:46:39PM +0200, jan iversen wrote: > - To extend my nightly statistic script, to check new commits (probably > restricted to our code repo). > - For every commit If the delta between the last commit from the author and > this commit is more than 1Year, the script

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2016-04-07 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Thu, Apr 07, 2016 at 03:36:07PM +0100, Michael Meeks wrote: > + Made some progress on writer regressions (Bjoern) > + could close some - have commits, but not closed. + count is at 6 currently (all severity minor): + 2 SimpleWinLayout still (was

[Libreoffice-qa] Getting LibreOffice Writer 5.0.6 bibisected regression free against LibreOffice 4.4.0 (was: LibreOffice ESC call, ...)

2016-03-26 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 10:19:58PM +, Michael Meeks wrote: > * QA stats > * Bibisected bugs open: whiteboard 'bibisected' > + 399/1305 404/1297 406/1292 412/1284 408/1277 403/1260 398/1248 > + http://tdf.io/bibibugs > > * all bugs tagged with 'regression' > + 773(-12) bugs

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Beginners guide to QA

2016-03-07 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Mon, Mar 07, 2016 at 04:39:49PM +0400, Yousuf 'Jay' Philips wrote: > I had suggested that a beginners guide to QA be created during one of the QA > meeting some time back and would appreciate people's feedback on what has > been written so far and what additions can be added, so that i can

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2016-02-26 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 04:52:28PM +, Michael Meeks wrote: > * Hackfests (Bjoern) > + next venues / suggestions > + Ankara, Turkey > + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/Ankara2016 Confirmed date for the weekend now. Best, Bjoern

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Minutes of ESC call [2016-02-04]

2016-02-09 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Thu, Feb 04, 2016 at 08:59:16PM +0100, Jan Holesovsky wrote: > * Hackfests (Bjoern) > + Turkey > + talked to them; lots of enthusiasm & desire for training. > + mid-March hack-fest expected. > + concrete dates ? > + concrete

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Testing Windows builds on Linux with PlayOnLinux?now possible!

2016-02-04 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Thu, Feb 04, 2016 at 08:05:39AM +, Pieter Kristensen wrote: > Great that it works so well on PlayOnLinux. But how about Wine? PlayOnLinux is an easy install wrapper for wine. Best, Bjoern ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail

[Libreoffice-qa] Testing Windows builds on Linux with PlayOnLinux now possible!

2016-02-03 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi Gouchi, all, awesome news: Gouchi set up LibreOffice on PlayOnLinux (see https://www.playonlinux.com/)! This means you can now install LibreOffice Windows builds running in Wine with just a few clicks on Linux. Please try it out and provide feedback here or at:

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] LibreOffice releases (was: Reminder: QA Meeting on Wednesday)

2015-11-26 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 04:27:58PM -0700, Pedro wrote: > But since you can't ask the developers to do such a boring job, even that > won't solve the problem... Thats not entirely true. Yes, just asking some random developer to fix some random regression (likely by another developer) is a

[Libreoffice-qa] LibreOffice releases (was: Reminder: QA Meeting on Wednesday)

2015-11-25 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 03:40:37AM -0700, Pedro wrote: > A sugestion: maybe have a branch dedicated to bug fixes every other year? > Example: let's say 5.1 is dedicated to fixes. Then a slight change of > schedule would postpone 5.2.0 to some months later so that most devs would > concentrate

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] LibreOffice releases (was: Reminder: QA Meeting on Wednesday)

2015-11-25 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 10:10:58AM -0700, Pedro wrote: > Maybe my suggestion wasn't clear. I know about the "twice a year" release > branches. My suggestion was exactly to delay the second release of the year > so that developers could have more time to dedicate to a single branch (of >

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2015-11-13 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 04:37:28PM +, Michael Meeks wrote: > * Hackfests (Bjoern) > + GNOME hack-fest in Madrid - Dec 2nd -> 4th (Jacobo) > + sent an invitation to LibreOffice deployments in Spain > + they may need funding to attend. > + Wiki page

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Bugzilla: Adding new Status for 'abandoned' bugs?

2015-11-09 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Mon, Nov 09, 2015 at 07:10:44PM +0100, Eike Rathke wrote: > Insufficient Data though can also be used for situations where a bug can > not be reproduced due to, well, insufficient data.. i.e. happened one > time crash and no stack trace, no exact steps to reproduce, even if the > reporter was

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2015-10-30 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi Xisco, On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 09:55:57AM +0100, Xisco Faulí wrote: > > * Hackfests (Bjoern) > > + Could we join the GNOME hack-fest in Madrid ? (Bjoern) > I'm currently living in Madrid and I'd like to attempt the meeting. It goes > without saying that I can give a hand on the field if

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [libreoffice-design] Re: Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2015-10-07

2015-10-30 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 07:21:22PM +0400, Yousuf 'Jay' Philips wrote: > Not sure how well breeze with the ubuntu theme and it maybe better to use > tango. I have the seal of approval from the Canonical Design Team -- not gonna do extra rounds beyond that now. Best, Bjoern

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2015-10-07

2015-10-29 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
on Tango? (Jay) > + best to talk to Bjoern (Michaelsen) (Kendy) Human has already been broken by tdf#93145 in LibreOffice 5.0. There is no way Ubuntu will ship a huge set of fallback themes to make Human complete again, thus we only ship themes with galaxy as fallback -- the ultimate fallback. For

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2015-10-21

2015-10-28 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 06:54:47PM +0100, Jan Holesovsky wrote: > * Present: Heiko, Jay, Kendy, Tomaz, Stuart > > * UI changes integrated the last week: > > + Enable auto-numbering by default reverted for now (Samuel) > + First/last button in the Calc tab bar (Tomaž) > + NotebookBar

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] When it's time to basic bases?

2015-08-02 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi Miguel, Hi Joel, On Sat, Aug 01, 2015 at 08:30:19AM -0700, Joel Madero wrote: I skimmed this and really...this isn't how the team works. We don't have someone come and insist and dictate how we do our work. If you want then the best thing for you to do is lead by example and then if it

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Minutes of ESC call: 2015-07-30

2015-08-02 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Sun, Aug 02, 2015 at 06:25:05PM +0200, Markus Mohrhard wrote: That is already possible with cppunit. Instead of using CPPUNIT_TEST use CPPUNIT_TEST_FAIL which tells cppunit that the test is expected to fail with a cppunit exception being thrown (it is extensively used in the cppunit

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] daily MAB summary and CCing of MABs (was: MAB/Priority and Severity)

2015-06-29 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 11:57:10AM +0200, Eike Rathke wrote: What exactly do you mean with review here? I don't think we should spend too much time on that during the ESC call, but I'd be ok with some does anyone see a bug on this list that shouldn't belong there topic. Yes, the latter is

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] MAB/Priority and Severity

2015-06-23 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 01:14:54PM -0700, Joel Madero wrote: So the time has finally arrived that we are moving forward with _locking out priority/severity_. This means that *MAB will be retired*. I'd like to suggest to add this query as a reocurring item for the Robinson and the rest of

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2015-06-18 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 06:04:04PM +0100, Michael Meeks wrote: + request more KDE testers ... (Bubli) + KDE in rather a sorry state - a month to reproduce a bug. + none of the tinderboxes build with KDE vclplug support. + F19 tinderbox can build with that

[Libreoffice-qa] TDF Grant Request/Proposal: LibreOffice project dashboard/All about LibreOffice

2015-06-15 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi all, Hi TDF treasurers, The Document Foundation has a grant request page for some time now: http://www.documentfoundation.org/grant-request/ to allow members of the Docuemnt Foundation to actively make suggestions on projects and efforts that should be funded to bring LibreOffice forward.

[Libreoffice-qa] Fixed and included new lcov numbers: Regression hotspots updated

2015-06-13 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 01:41:15AM +0200, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: == Top Twenty regression directories per module == The Top Twenty were somewhat misleading as I only looked at the 4 level dirs. Some of our source is actually only 3 levels deep in the tree, so here is the update. I also

[Libreoffice-qa] Regression hotspots updated

2015-06-11 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, I just updated the regression hotspots page: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/RegressionHotspots Here are some insights of what changed since the last run one year ago == Top Ten regression modules changes == sfx2 is now at position 6, was at 8. xmloff is now at

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] make check / dbgutil performance ...

2015-06-05 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Fri, Jun 05, 2015 at 11:56:09AM +0100, Michael Meeks wrote: Without dbgutil we get: real 12m45.145s user 28m47.321s sys 2m34.849s Which is better, but still not 3x minutes. On a slow machine, things are slow. How does it compare to just relinking LibreOffice libs

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] make check / dbgutil performance ...

2015-06-05 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Fri, Jun 05, 2015 at 02:27:44PM +0300, Tor Lillqvist wrote: Exactly the opposite here. I do paid work on my desktop machine(s), and just light mostly unpaid (or at least not paid by customers) hacking at hackfests or conferences (well, the LO one) on my laptop. Well, we have these

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2015-05-29 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 10:02:56AM +0100, Michael Meeks wrote: It is clearly great to run 'make check' before pushing (just fixing some results from CI) - however, to assume that everyone has a 32 core machine (I have 4 not-so-strong cores) 32/4 * 2m - 16m (not so far from 15

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2015-05-29 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 02:37:31AM +0200, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: ... brings 'make check' down to 2m6s on big Bertha. For comparison: [...] that is, just relinking (most) LibreOffice libs takes 2m26s on that machine without symbols (assume more than 10 minutes with symbols). Given

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2015-05-28 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 06:01:33PM +, Noel Grandin wrote: Wasn't someone going to look at speeding that up? Make check is not currently making very good use of multiple cores and it has a long tail where only one or two cores are busy. I cant fully confirm that -- at least not

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2015-05-28 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 10:40:40PM +0200, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: And with this I see a lot of processes running parallel till the end. This suggests to me that the stuff is quite parallelized -- however none of the testing threads seem to be CPU-bound rather the Java-stuff seems to be IO

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] organizing our crasher bugs ?

2015-05-27 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 04:36:01PM +0200, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: Hi, On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 03:25:24PM +0100, Caolán McNamara wrote: What would work ideally for me is to someone get the subset of all crashes that are ~100% reproducible under Linux and ordered by the number

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Try not to reopen bugs when anything more than a trivial amount of time has passed

2015-03-24 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 07:33:03PM +0100, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: all bugs(*). One could have a bot setting bugs from RESOLVED to VERIFIED though, if there is not objection (verified by silent approval) ... after the suggested a month timeframe, that is obviously. Best, Bjoern

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] DLP Projects as products?

2015-02-13 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 04:52:45PM +0100, David Tardon wrote: I do not even quite understand what you mean by it. To merge all the libraries into one? Or to always release everything whether there has been any change or not? The latter would be a starting point. You will hardly get a

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] DLP Projects as products?

2015-02-12 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 01:46:24PM +0100, David Tardon wrote: I disagree. The libraries are separate projects, not components of a single project. Also, an user reporting a bug for one of the libraries might not even know about DLP. So hiding the libraries under DLP label would not be

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] that walrus

2015-02-01 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 07:25:45AM -0700, bfoman wrote: Bjoern Michaelsen wrote He/She might reappear possibly though now that this is our Bugzilla: e.g. for bug hunting sessions. Those have hunter walrus (https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/4/44/Bughuntban4.4.png). No, I meant

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] suggestion for weekly-bug-summary

2015-01-30 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 07:56:57AM +0100, Cor Nouws wrote: Joel Madero wrote on 30-01-15 00:13: Would that be good possible? I agree that it would be good it is possible. Can I change add a query myself to that page? Just a note hinting at what should be obvious: If we modify

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] suggestion for weekly-bug-summary

2015-01-29 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 03:13:18PM -0800, Joel Madero wrote: I agree that it would be good it is possible. I highly recommend we create a new product bugzilla where we can easily track these enhancement requests...else they are likely to get lost in the abyss. Nope. Bugzilla is Infra.

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] suggestion for weekly-bug-summary

2015-01-29 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 04:14:24PM -0800, Joel Madero wrote: I've never been a fan of this split to begin with. Having a much less visible means of suggesting enhancement requests or bugs pretty much just sucks. Just speaking for myself, I'm very unlikely to report any enhancement

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Keyword bisected

2015-01-05 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Mon, Jan 05, 2015 at 08:23:20AM -0800, Joel Madero wrote: A couple people have told me they use the keyword to indicate that the exact (or nearly the exact) commit has been identified. I use it like that. If this is true...it's good to have (and would be another potential easy hack

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2014-12-24 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 10:31:35PM +0100, Cor Nouws wrote: One thing that may be handled too: when confirming also check if it worked before (regression or not) and such. True. In the end a fully triaged (aka a bug that a QA guys can do nothing more about and that only can be moved forward

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2014-12-24 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 12:13:57PM +0100, Robert Großkopf wrote: Hi Bjoern, True. In the end a fully triaged (aka a bug that a QA guys can do nothing more about and that only can be moved forward by a developer) is either: 1/ a regression, which has been bibisected 2/ a

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] mab4.2 to mab4.3 migration almost over

2014-12-18 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 11:09:37AM -0800, Joel Madero wrote: Well when we move to our own bug tracker we are hoping to abandon MAB completely and just use priority/importance - as these will be locked out to regular users so we can make sure they are objective and accurate. So...hopefully

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Bibisect 4.4

2014-12-11 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 03:17:28PM -0500, Robinson Tryon wrote: Bibisect 4.4 has been updated and is available from the dev-downloads server as bibisect-44.tar.xz. Information about bibisecting here: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/HowToBibisect#Versions Awesome, thanks! Best, Bjoern

[Libreoffice-qa] 4.4 refactorings and BHS (was: minutes of ESC call ...)

2014-11-14 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 04:13:33PM +, Michael Meeks wrote: * QA (Robinson) There is a Bug Hunting Session for 4.4 coming up next week. If you did any bigger refactoring or other work that primarily can be assumed to affect a specific area of usecases, please add this to:

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] 4.4 refactorings and BHS (was: minutes of ESC call ...)

2014-11-14 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 03:42:16PM +0100, Sophie Gautier wrote: Maybe it would be easier if I add the test cases to MozTrap? there could be also a follow-up through the beta/rc/final. Thank you, that would be great! I was suggesting to just edit the wiki as telling hackers to enter stuff in

[Libreoffice-qa] LibreOffice 4.4 alpha 2 bibisect repo

2014-11-12 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi all, I am currently uploading the intermediate LibreOffice 4.4~alpha2 bibisect repo to: http://people.canonical.com/~bjoern/bibisect/bibisect-44alpha2only.tar.xz http://people.canonical.com/~bjoern/bibisect/bibisect-44alpha2only.tar.xz.sig it should be finished in ~1 hour. Note the

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Migration of dev-downloads to new infrastructure - Planned DOWNTIME

2014-11-10 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 02:14:40PM +0100, Alexander Werner wrote: the dev-downloads VM will be migrated to our new infrastructure on Tuesday, 11 November, thefore there will be a downtime starting at about 0900UTC and ending around 2300UTC. As that is a prime download location for bibisect

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] No activity warnings - EasyHacks

2014-10-28 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 10:18:04PM +0100, Jan Holesovsky wrote: But that's probably hard to do ATM, so I'd avoid any retest pings there; or at least phrase them differently - in the Easy Hacks, the pings shouldn't be about retesting, but more about the review of the Easy Hack itself, because

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Minutes of ESC call: 2014-10-16

2014-10-24 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 11:13:12AM +0200, Jan Holesovsky wrote: * Open-source related projects for a local university (Jacobo) + ~200-300 hours projects sought + ideas appreciated! + please send to the ML too :-) (Norbert) Two ideas from the build system world: - 1/ Replace

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Minutes of ESC call: 2014-10-16

2014-10-18 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 11:13:12AM +0200, Jan Holesovsky wrote: * LibreOffice 4.4 bibisects repo creation (Bjoern) + Bjoern creating, but Robinson should take over + but has time for that? - bugzilla migration a priority... (Bjoern) + Bjoern can do that at the time of the

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] ping to retest old bugs

2014-10-18 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 10:47:05PM -0700, Joel Madero wrote: I'm honestly hesitant to do any more of this kind of thing with the email notification on. Devs hate it, users hate it, etc . . . Our bug tracker is making progress, IMHO this can wait until we get it fully up. Just my two cents.

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Minutes of ESC call: 2014-10-16

2014-10-17 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 11:47:30AM +0200, Stephan Bergmann wrote: Would not the best thing to do be to do bibisect builds on the release baseline, as is done for the TDF builds? That way, the builds should work on as many machines as possible. As discussed explicitly in the call: I have

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Minutes of ESC call: 2014-10-16

2014-10-17 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 11:01:51AM -0400, Terrence Enger wrote: I have created a debian-sid chroot environment to avoid complaints about old libraries from the bibisect versions. For example in debian-wheezy (i.e., stable), 43all version latest complains: The alpha1 bibisect update is already

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Minutes of ESC call: 2014-10-16

2014-10-17 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 11:13:12AM +0200, Jan Holesovsky wrote: + need a bugzilla query for the bugs that have been bisected to a single commit (Miklos) AI + can do that (Bjoern) + we have a keyword bisected, can use that for those with exact commit + done:

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] ping to retest old bugs

2014-10-17 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 04:03:47AM +0200, Tommy wrote: your bug report has shown no activity in the last 6 months. newer LibO releases with hundred of bugifixes and new features have been releases meanwhile, so please retest with current LibO release (4.3.2.2) and give feedback of the

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] UNCONFIRMED bug count below 800

2014-10-16 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 03:57:14AM +0200, Tommy wrote: On Thu, 16 Oct 2014 03:53:47 +0200, Tommy ba...@quipo.it wrote: the QA team broke another mileston. we are back below 800, see:

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2014-10-09 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Thu, Oct 09, 2014 at 04:35:12PM +0100, Caolán McNamara wrote: Wouldn't it be nice if the bugs could be split into two categories of 100% reproducible and not, and script the 100% reproducers and automatically re-run the script on each milestone to see which ones got fixed in passing. Though

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Update to wiki Development/Java page

2014-09-30 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Sun, Sep 07, 2014 at 05:22:20AM -0700, Owen Genat wrote: I have just made an update to the wiki Development/Java page: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Java Most of that code is not shipped production code, but testcode etc. -- I added a commented stripped down list at:

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2014-09-29 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 03:36:34PM +0100, Michael Meeks wrote: + how is redmine used for QA ? (Robinson) + specific admin pieces tracked in there. + happy to use bugzilla for that purpose + might already fit in the existing infra in Redmine ?

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2014-09-26 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 03:36:34PM +0100, Michael Meeks wrote: + Bjoern re-introduced mergelibs for 4.3.2 + enabled for 4.3.1 without a patch, we need other libs in mergelibs to avoid circular deps. + some interesting bug reports wrt. dbtools

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] MySQL native connector for OS X

2014-09-25 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 07:50:56PM -0400, Robinson Tryon wrote: On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 7:33 PM, Dan Lewis elderdanle...@gmail.com wrote: Ubuntu version. I seem to recall that build-dep did not install all of the required build environment for me and that I had to add extra stuff. bingo!

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2014-09-25 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 03:36:34PM +0100, Michael Meeks wrote: + blog about the sad realities of web plugins (Bjoern) [ writing it right now ] done: http://skyfromme.wordpress.com/2014/09/25/killing-the-npapi-plugin/ Best, Bjoern ___

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Suggestion for the use of pre-written responses

2014-08-20 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 04:35:52PM +0400, Jay Philips wrote: So i'd like to propose the creation a wiki page of pre-written responses that we can all use. I have created the wiki page at https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/BugTriage/Pre-Written_Responses and will be adding entries to

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of the ESC Call 2014-08-14

2014-08-14 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
* Present + Robinson, Miklos, Christian, Bjorn, Michael S, Muthu * Completed Action Items + setup some VM's that can be created on-demand (Cloph) + done for the hackfest, non-public + working on creating a public machine + initial version based on Amazon

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of the ESC Call 2014-08-14

2014-08-14 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 06:33:37PM +0200, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: * commit access confusion: whops, missed this link relevant to the topic and branch reviews here: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Branches Best, Bjoern ___ List Name

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Minutes of ESC call: 2014-08-07

2014-08-08 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi Terrence, On Thu, Aug 07, 2014 at 07:30:12PM -0400, Terrence Enger wrote: I think that a publicly available VM set up for testing--especially for testing Base--would be useful, something like Drew Jensen started working on a few years ago

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] REPOENED Status

2014-08-02 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Sat, Aug 02, 2014 at 10:34:01AM +0200, Florian Reisinger wrote: The bigger problem is the following: User A submitted a bug #123. A QA closes this bug as RESOLVED WFM. User A disagrees and puts the state to 1) REOPENED 2) NEEDINFO Sorry to say, but this error will continue... Well,

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] REPOENED Status

2014-08-02 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Sat, Aug 02, 2014 at 07:14:59AM -0700, Pedro wrote: I also realize that Developers prefer that Bugs should not be REOPENED because it is unlikely that the bug a user finds now is exactly the same problem that was solved before (even if the apparent result is the same and therefore the bug

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] 700 unconfirmed bugs milestone broke

2014-07-30 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 09:58:56PM +0200, Tommy wrote: just to say that the count is now 699 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/report.cgi?y_axis_field=bug_statusquery_format=report-tableproduct=LibreOfficeformat=tableaction=wrap great job QA team!!! Indeed, congratulations everyone! Just before

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] LibreOffice 4.2.6 RC2 test builds available

2014-07-25 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 01:26:29AM +0200, Christian Lohmaier wrote: Grab the builds from here here: http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/pre-releases/ Users of Ubuntu 14.04 LTS also find a build in the PPAs: https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/ppa

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] What if a bug can not be reproduced with newer version?

2014-07-21 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 02:14:52PM +0400, Aleksandr P wrote: What is current QA-team position? If you know why this bug is fixed (as in a developer said: this commit should fix that or used the bug id in a commit message) its RESOLVED/FIXED. If you cannot reproduce the bug anymore but could

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ... (2014-07-17)

2014-07-17 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
* Present: Muthu, Bjoern, Eike, Mirek, Miklos, David, Norbert, Cloph, Andras, Caolan, Jacobo, Moggi, Kohei * Completed Action Items: + try to add per-process resource limits for crashtest (Markus) + eg. bash's builtin ulimit [-SHacdflmnpstuv [limit]] etc. + switch a

[Libreoffice-qa] Call for testing: Writer paragraph splits/joins

2014-07-14 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi all, I recently pushed a few canges that try to unwind one of the smaller Gordian Knots in Writer(*), to get rid of a horrible old implementation that nobody dared to touch. The new implementation isnt fancy at all (yet), but at least should pave the way for further cleaning up the code,

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [tdf-discuss] Intervention

2014-07-14 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, just to quickly expand on that: On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 02:35:43PM +0200, Sophie wrote: I believe it is always possible for the checkers to trust the reporters and follow the steps to reproduce on their own material first; if they can't do that, they probably should ask

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

2014-06-26 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, a quick hint, since I stumbled over this: On Thu, May 08, 2014 at 04:29:41PM +0100, Michael Meeks wrote: + HackFest 'pack' / box / Virtual Machines / etc. ? + Still have hardware to try out (Bjoern) + can bring to Paris - some quadro / quad CPU thingit

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] LibreOffice 4.3.0 rc1 test builds available

2014-06-20 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 07:28:08PM +0200, Christian Lohmaier wrote: for the upcoming new version 4.3.0 the builds for RC1 are now available on pre-releases. For testers of the upcoming Ubuntu Utopic (14.10) version, builds of this are available at:

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Pushing 4.2.4 into Ubuntu Update Repo

2014-06-19 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Fri, Jun 20, 2014 at 03:03:04AM +0400, Jay Philips wrote: I would like to suggest the addition of 4.2.4.2 into the ubuntu's trusty-updates repo as the 'Read Error' DOCX bug (fdo#77478) is still present in 4.2.3.3, which ships with Ubuntu 14.04. I assume many ubuntu and ubuntu-derivative

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Whiteboard Status'

2014-06-16 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, a few comments: On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 02:39:36PM -0700, Joel Madero wrote: complextest Is this useful? If so -- when should we use it? unoapitestWe have uno is that sufficient? These are used when a complex test (like in sw/qa/complex/writer/) fails and was temporary disabled and

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] New Whiteboard Statuses

2014-06-05 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
HasDebug or HasBacktrace HasStrace - When the bug reporter or commenter has included the backtrace or strace output, so devs can easily see this list Please consolidate on ONE of those before introducing this and viciously kill the others. have-backtrace looks find to me and is a registered

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] New Whiteboard Statuses

2014-06-05 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Thu, Jun 05, 2014 at 09:06:07AM -0400, Kohei Yoshida wrote: So, to me personally, this practice of witch-hunting (or finger-pointing) really bogs me down, especially I receive such notice hundreds of times during a typical development cycle. There is no witch-hunting in this and lets

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Presentation Video Bug - Need Dev/QA Feedback

2014-05-31 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 10:46:11PM +0400, Jay Philips wrote: Yes i've had success in Xubuntu 14.04 and Linux Mint 17 after tracking down the necessary packages as mentioned in fdo#79468, as i was having problems with MKVs crashing LibO in Linux Mint 13. I did some testing on windows 7 and some

[Libreoffice-qa] LibreOffice 43all bibisect (was: LibreOffice 4.3~beta1 bibisect)

2014-05-24 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
HI, On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 02:27:08PM +0200, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 01:18:11AM +0200, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: I will now merge those and upload a 43all and 43only repo replacing the current 42all and 42only ones ... 43only merged and uploaded -- so

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Stable PPA Suggestion

2014-05-23 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 07:58:28PM +0400, Jay Philips wrote: Not sure if this is the best place to mention this, but i wanted to suggest that similar to having a pre-release and fresh ppa for ubuntu and derivatives, that we have a stable ppa that users who wish to stay on stable dont have to

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Stable PPA Suggestion

2014-05-23 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 10:54:17PM +0400, Jay Philips wrote: Yes it would only be relevant to LTS users as ubuntu ships 'fresh' releases and non-LTS versions only last for 9 months. I think it could easily be achieved with a simple 301 redirect which is changed whenever a new stable is

[Libreoffice-qa] LibreOffice 43 bibisect (was: LibreOffice 4.3~beta1 bibisect)

2014-05-22 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 01:18:11AM +0200, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: I will now merge those and upload a 43all and 43only repo replacing the current 42all and 42only ones ... 43only merged and uploaded -- so with 42all and 43only you have the range from mid-3.5 to 4.3 branchoff in two repos

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] 4.3 Bug Hunting Weekend!

2014-05-22 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi Pedro, Joel, On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 09:02:09AM -0700, Pedro wrote: jmadero wrote To download /_*latest daily build*_/ of 4.3 please go here: http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/master/ ... wouldn't it make more sense that everybody is using the same build aka the official Beta1

[Libreoffice-qa] LibreOffice 4.3~beta1 bibisect

2014-05-21 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi all, On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 02:12:23PM +0200, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: When we hit LibreOffice 4.3 branchpoint (around the beta), I plan to update again and merge the stuff into a 43all repository, but for now you should be able to do a good amount of bibisecting on master

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

2014-05-18 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi bfoman, On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 04:45:20AM -0700, bfoman wrote: Mozilla wants to give-away their used Mac Mini hardware for non-profit organizations. Deadline May 22nd to apply. More details at http://armenzg.blogspot.com/. If you take them, those can be turned into Mac/Linux/Windows

[Libreoffice-qa] LibreOffice 4.3~alpha1 bibisect

2014-05-15 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi all, I just uploaded an update for the Canonical LibreOffice bibisect build on Ubuntu 12.04 LTS (precise) repo for the range from LibreOffice 4.2 branchpoint to LibreOffice 4.3 alpha1 and uploaded the builds to people.canonical.com. You find link and the usual info at:

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of the ESC call ...

2014-05-15 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
* Present: + Kendy, Bjoern, Stephan, cloph, Lionel, Eike, Miklos, Norbert, Markus, Cedric. Eilidh, David, Michael S., Andras, Astron, Jacobo * Completed Action Items + add HackFest hardware / Amazon VMs to Board budget planning (Michael) + poke Sophie to check updating is

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