Re: [Libreoffice-qa] QA Meeting Minutes (2017-04-25)

2017-04-27 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi folks, On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 05:13:43PM +0200, Xisco Fauli wrote: > Hello, > > > * QA telegram group (x1sc0, 16:17:48) > > * buovjaga> yeah forums are better for asynch discussion (x1sc0, > > 16:23:03) > > * cloph is sceptical, doesn't think telegram would be > > newcomer-frien

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2017-01-13 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 04:41:44PM +0100, Alexander Thurgood wrote: > So, dropping make 3.8.1 on Mac would clearly push people not to build > with the XCode system provided tools ? Well, it is still GNU make. But yes in general, its suggested to work on LibreOffice in a well defined environme

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2016-12-15 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 12:19:54PM +0100, Cor Nouws wrote: > Michael Meeks wrote on 08-12-16 17:56: > > + Mail merge regressions: http://tdf.io/mmregressions > > + 4 open; 4 open last meeting (2 OSX, 1 Linux, 1 generic but hard > > repro) > > => drop from the QA s

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2016-12-08 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Thu, Dec 08, 2016 at 04:56:07PM +, Michael Meeks wrote: > + someone creating e.g. a Visual Studio extension that does > all the cygwin/git clone/gerrit bootstrapping would be much appreciated > though (Bjoern) > [...] > + eg. a pre-canned bundle with pre-

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] 41max and 42max bibisect repositories?

2016-10-04 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Tue, Oct 04, 2016 at 04:08:03PM +0200, Xisco Fauli wrote: > I'm afraid that's not right. Indeed, the 43all contains the old 43only/42only/41only etc. -- not the XXmax ones. Just looking at the history in the wiki, the download links to TDF servers still seem to work though: https://wiki

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] 41max and 42max bibisect repositories?

2016-10-04 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Tue, Oct 04, 2016 at 01:23:05PM +0200, Xisco Fauli wrote: > Does anybody know anything about 41max and 42max bibisect repositories > mentioned in this video: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLmEfvjVN7s&t=07m39s ? > I can't find them anywhere but it would be wonderful to have those too. T

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call: 2016-08-18

2016-08-19 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 06:36:50PM +0200, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: > AI: + bring patch for Writer regression stat update (Bjoern) Done: https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/28239 Best, Bjoern ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail addr

[Libreoffice-qa] UX bugzilla queries (was: minutes of ESC call: 2016-08-18)

2016-08-18 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi Heiko, On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 06:36:50PM +0200, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: > * UX Update (Heiko) > + from: > http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/kendy-collabora-com-Minutes-of-ESC-call-2016-08-11-tp4190974p4190988.html > + ux-advice: keep it, because many bugs are not

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call: 2016-08-18

2016-08-18 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
* Present: Norbert, Sophie, Armin, Stephan, Robinson, Christian, Thorsten, Jan-Marek, Bjoern, Eike, Miklos, Lionel, Olivier, Heiko * Completed Action Items: + fixed with 62c4a8aacf76771e97a8da35096e6ad69a11979a - was: explain the reason why "make debug=T" doesnt build with symbols anymore

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2016-08-04 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Thu, Aug 04, 2016 at 05:13:26PM +0100, Michael Meeks wrote: > * writer regressions (Bjoern) >+ since 5.0 no fully triaged, bibisected regression in writer https://twitter.com/Sweet5hark/status/760830653571170316 >+ if you remove filters & perf. issues down to 25 bibisected i

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2016-06-03 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Thu, Jun 02, 2016 at 06:46:39PM +0200, jan iversen wrote: > - To extend my nightly statistic script, to check new commits (probably > restricted to our code repo). > - For every commit If the delta between the last commit from the author and > this commit is more than 1Year, the script wi

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2016-04-07 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Thu, Apr 07, 2016 at 03:36:07PM +0100, Michael Meeks wrote: > + Made some progress on writer regressions (Bjoern) > + could close some - have commits, but not closed. + count is at 6 currently (all severity minor): + 2 SimpleWinLayout still (was r

[Libreoffice-qa] Getting LibreOffice Writer 5.0.6 bibisected regression free against LibreOffice 4.4.0 (was: LibreOffice ESC call, ...)

2016-03-26 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 10:19:58PM +, Michael Meeks wrote: > * QA stats > * Bibisected bugs open: whiteboard 'bibisected' > + 399/1305 404/1297 406/1292 412/1284 408/1277 403/1260 398/1248 > + http://tdf.io/bibibugs > > * all bugs tagged with 'regression' > + 773(-12) bugs op

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Beginners guide to QA

2016-03-07 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Mon, Mar 07, 2016 at 04:39:49PM +0400, Yousuf 'Jay' Philips wrote: > I had suggested that a beginners guide to QA be created during one of the QA > meeting some time back and would appreciate people's feedback on what has > been written so far and what additions can be added, so that i can

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2016-02-26 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 04:52:28PM +, Michael Meeks wrote: > * Hackfests (Bjoern) > + next venues / suggestions > + Ankara, Turkey > + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/Ankara2016 Confirmed date for the weekend now. Best, Bjoern

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Minutes of ESC call [2016-02-04]

2016-02-09 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Thu, Feb 04, 2016 at 08:59:16PM +0100, Jan Holesovsky wrote: > * Hackfests (Bjoern) > + Turkey > + talked to them; lots of enthusiasm & desire for training. > + mid-March hack-fest expected. > + concrete dates ? > + concrete volunt

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Testing Windows builds on Linux with PlayOnLinux?now possible!

2016-02-04 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Thu, Feb 04, 2016 at 08:05:39AM +, Pieter Kristensen wrote: > Great that it works so well on PlayOnLinux. But how about Wine? PlayOnLinux is an easy install wrapper for wine. Best, Bjoern ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail add

[Libreoffice-qa] Testing Windows builds on Linux with PlayOnLinux now possible!

2016-02-03 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi Gouchi, all, awesome news: Gouchi set up LibreOffice on PlayOnLinux (see https://www.playonlinux.com/)! This means you can now install LibreOffice Windows builds running in Wine with just a few clicks on Linux. Please try it out and provide feedback here or at: https://bugs.documentfoundatio

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] LibreOffice releases (was: Reminder: QA Meeting on Wednesday)

2015-11-26 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 04:27:58PM -0700, Pedro wrote: > But since you can't ask the developers to do such a boring job, even that > won't solve the problem... Thats not entirely true. Yes, just asking some random developer to fix some random regression (likely by another developer) is a very

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] LibreOffice releases (was: Reminder: QA Meeting on Wednesday)

2015-11-25 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 10:10:58AM -0700, Pedro wrote: > Maybe my suggestion wasn't clear. I know about the "twice a year" release > branches. My suggestion was exactly to delay the second release of the year > so that developers could have more time to dedicate to a single branch (of > course

[Libreoffice-qa] LibreOffice releases (was: Reminder: QA Meeting on Wednesday)

2015-11-25 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 03:40:37AM -0700, Pedro wrote: > A sugestion: maybe have a branch dedicated to bug fixes every other year? > Example: let's say 5.1 is dedicated to fixes. Then a slight change of > schedule would postpone 5.2.0 to some months later so that most devs would > concentrate

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Minutes of ESC call: 2015-11-19

2015-11-23 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 09:01:03PM -0600, Norbert Thiebaud wrote: > On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 2:29 PM, Jan Holesovsky wrote: > > * Jenkins / CI update (Norbert) > > + [Norbert is traveling] > > + how are the stats for Jenkins generated? (Jan-Marek) > log on ci.libreoffice.org > sudo su - ci

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2015-11-13 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 04:37:28PM +, Michael Meeks wrote: > * Hackfests (Bjoern) > + GNOME hack-fest in Madrid - Dec 2nd -> 4th (Jacobo) > + sent an invitation to LibreOffice deployments in Spain > + they may need funding to attend. > + Wiki page pend

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Bugzilla: Adding new Status for 'abandoned' bugs?

2015-11-09 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Mon, Nov 09, 2015 at 09:23:20AM -0800, Joel Madero wrote: > > * ABANDONED > > * INSUFFICIENT DATA (RedHat) > > * EXPIRED (Launchpad) > > Of these I like ABANDONED as it indicates that the user abandoned > his/her own bug. Insufficient Data is really wordy to me, Expired > indicates that th

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Bugzilla: Adding new Status for 'abandoned' bugs?

2015-11-09 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Mon, Nov 09, 2015 at 07:10:44PM +0100, Eike Rathke wrote: > Insufficient Data though can also be used for situations where a bug can > not be reproduced due to, well, insufficient data.. i.e. happened one > time crash and no stack trace, no exact steps to reproduce, even if the > reporter was or

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [libreoffice-design] Re: Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2015-10-07

2015-10-30 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 07:21:22PM +0400, Yousuf 'Jay' Philips wrote: > Not sure how well breeze with the ubuntu theme and it maybe better to use > tango. I have the seal of approval from the Canonical Design Team -- not gonna do extra rounds beyond that now. Best, Bjoern ___

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2015-10-30 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi Xisco, On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 09:55:57AM +0100, Xisco Faulí wrote: > > * Hackfests (Bjoern) > > + Could we join the GNOME hack-fest in Madrid ? (Bjoern) > I'm currently living in Madrid and I'd like to attempt the meeting. It goes > without saying that I can give a hand on the field if hel

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2015-10-07

2015-10-29 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
lly depend on Tango? (Jay) > + best to talk to Bjoern (Michaelsen) (Kendy) Human has already been broken by tdf#93145 in LibreOffice 5.0. There is no way Ubuntu will ship a huge set of fallback themes to make Human complete again, thus we only ship themes with galaxy as fallback -- the ultimate fall

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2015-10-21

2015-10-28 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 06:54:47PM +0100, Jan Holesovsky wrote: > * Present: Heiko, Jay, Kendy, Tomaz, Stuart > > * UI changes integrated the last week: > > + Enable auto-numbering by default reverted for now (Samuel) > + First/last button in the Calc tab bar (Tomaž) > + NotebookBar p

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Minutes of ESC call: 2015-07-30

2015-08-02 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Sun, Aug 02, 2015 at 06:25:05PM +0200, Markus Mohrhard wrote: > That is already possible with cppunit. Instead of using CPPUNIT_TEST use > CPPUNIT_TEST_FAIL which tells cppunit that the test is expected to fail > with a cppunit exception being thrown (it is extensively used in the > cppunit

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] When it's time to basic bases?

2015-08-02 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi Miguel, Hi Joel, On Sat, Aug 01, 2015 at 08:30:19AM -0700, Joel Madero wrote: > I skimmed this and really...this isn't how the team works. We don't > have someone come and "insist" and "dictate" how we do our work. If > you want then the best thing for you to do is "lead by example" and > then

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] BUGZILLA: prefilled whiteboard items like in the keywords field

2015-07-06 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Mon, Jul 06, 2015 at 09:01:11PM +0200, Christian Lohmaier wrote: > > I think about having "bibisectRequest", "bibisected", "notBibisectable" and > > other useful terms in it. > > For those, maybe we should promote those to actual keywords? > > So is it possible: Yes > Should it be done:

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] daily MAB summary and CCing of MABs (was: MAB/Priority and Severity)

2015-06-29 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 11:57:10AM +0200, Eike Rathke wrote: > What exactly do you mean with review here? I don't think we should spend > too much time on that during the ESC call, but I'd be ok with some "does > anyone see a bug on this list that shouldn't belong there" topic. Yes, the latter is

[Libreoffice-qa] daily MAB summary and CCing of MABs (was: MAB/Priority and Severity)

2015-06-29 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 09:32:06PM +0200, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: > This is for the ESC to both be aware of newly marked important bugs -- and > also > to weed out one or another wrongly marked high priority bug. Also, this should > help us keep the total number of high priori

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] bug in dbgutil bibisect repostory only

2015-06-24 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 10:07:42AM -0400, Terrence Enger wrote: > What is the procedure for a bug which happens only in the daily dbgutil > bibisect repository? Is a bug report appropriate? Something else? IMHO a bug report is in order, unless you quickly find someone who takes ownership o

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Weekly and Daily Bug Summary

2015-06-24 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 06:59:53AM -0700, Joel Madero wrote: > On 06/11/2015 10:46 AM, Tommy wrote: > > we already have a Weekly summary here: > > > > https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/page.cgi?id=weekly-bug-summary.html > > > > It's possible to have a similar bugzilla page with a Daily summ

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] MAB/Priority and Severity

2015-06-23 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 01:14:54PM -0700, Joel Madero wrote: > So the time has finally arrived that we are moving forward with _locking > out priority/severity_. This means that *MAB will be retired*. I'd like to suggest to add this query as a reocurring item for the Robinson and the rest of

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2015-06-18 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 06:04:04PM +0100, Michael Meeks wrote: > + request more KDE testers ... (Bubli) > + KDE in rather a sorry state -> a month to reproduce a bug. > + none of the tinderboxes build with KDE vclplug support. > + F19 tinderbox can build with th

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] SDK Java Spreadsheet CalcAddIns example

2015-06-18 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, (copying in LibreOffice QA list, Sophie and Robinson) On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 08:51:35AM +0200, Stephan Bergmann wrote: > The sad truth about the SDK examples is that they get about zero > love and attention. I occasionally verify that they at least still > all build on the various platforms

[Libreoffice-qa] TDF Grant Request/Proposal: LibreOffice project dashboard/"All about LibreOffice"

2015-06-15 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi all, Hi TDF treasurers, The Document Foundation has a grant request page for some time now: http://www.documentfoundation.org/grant-request/ to allow members of the Docuemnt Foundation to actively make suggestions on projects and efforts that should be funded to bring LibreOffice forward. T

[Libreoffice-qa] Fixed and included new lcov numbers: Regression hotspots updated

2015-06-13 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 01:41:15AM +0200, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: > == Top Twenty regression directories per module == The Top Twenty were somewhat misleading as I only looked at the 4 level dirs. Some of our source is actually only 3 levels deep in the tree, so here is the update. I a

[Libreoffice-qa] Regression hotspots updated

2015-06-11 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, I just updated the regression hotspots page: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/RegressionHotspots Here are some insights of what changed since the last run one year ago == Top Ten regression modules changes == sfx2 is now at position 6, was at 8. xmloff is now at pos

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] make check / dbgutil performance ...

2015-06-05 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Fri, Jun 05, 2015 at 02:27:44PM +0300, Tor Lillqvist wrote: > Exactly the opposite here. I do paid work on my desktop machine(s), and > just light mostly unpaid (or at least not paid by customers) hacking at > hackfests or conferences (well, the LO one) on my laptop. Well, we have these aw

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] make check / dbgutil performance ...

2015-06-05 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Fri, Jun 05, 2015 at 11:56:09AM +0100, Michael Meeks wrote: > Without dbgutil we get: > > real 12m45.145s > user 28m47.321s > sys 2m34.849s > > Which is better, but still not 3x minutes. On a slow machine, things are slow. How does it compare to just relinking LibreOffice

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2015-05-29 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 10:02:56AM +0100, Michael Meeks wrote: > It is clearly great to run 'make check' before pushing (just fixing > some results from CI) - however, to assume that everyone has a 32 core > machine (I have 4 not-so-strong cores) 32/4 * 2m -> 16m (not so far from > 15 mi

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2015-05-29 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 02:37:31AM +0200, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: > ... brings 'make check' down to 2m6s on big Bertha. For comparison: > [...] > that is, just relinking (most) LibreOffice libs takes 2m26s on that machine > without symbols (assume more than 10 minute

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2015-05-28 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 10:40:40PM +0200, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: > And with this I see a lot of processes running parallel till the end. This > suggests to me that the stuff is quite parallelized -- however none of the > testing threads seem to be CPU-bound rather the Java-stuff se

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2015-05-28 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 06:01:33PM +, Noel Grandin wrote: > Wasn't someone going to look at speeding that up? Make check is not > currently making very good use of multiple cores and it has a long tail > where only one or two cores are busy. I cant fully confirm that -- at least not combi

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] organizing our "crasher" bugs ?

2015-05-27 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 04:36:01PM +0200, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: > Hi, > > On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 03:25:24PM +0100, Caolán McNamara wrote: > > What would work ideally for me is to someone get the subset of all > > crashes that are ~100% reproducible under Lin

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] organizing our "crasher" bugs ?

2015-05-27 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 03:25:24PM +0100, Caolán McNamara wrote: > What would work ideally for me is to someone get the subset of all > crashes that are ~100% reproducible under Linux and ordered by the > number of steps required to reproduce. Any ideas on how to generate that > subset ? That

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] needsDevEval should not be needed for Help easy hacks? Re: [Bug 72038] LOCALHELP: Unclear...

2015-05-18 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 01:16:14AM +0200, Cor Nouws wrote: > OK, so provided the code pointer is there, would it be sufficient to put > the following in the Whiteboard field > EasyHack DifficultyBeginner TopicHelp > Will that be automatically added to the EasyHack wiki? Partially, as there

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Try not to reopen bugs when anything more than a trivial amount of time has passed

2015-03-26 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 06:41:52AM -0700, pierre-yves samyn wrote: > Some bugs are submitted by users who do not test the daily versions. The reply to that might sound harsh, but there is no other way to put it: They are doing it wrong then. RESOLVED means "claimed to be fixed on the source

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Try not to reopen bugs when anything more than a trivial amount of time has passed

2015-03-25 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 12:03:48PM +0100, Michael Stahl wrote: > that sounds reasonable, although setting it to VERIFIED automatically > seems odd - how about automatically going from either RESOLVED or > VERIFIED to CLOSED after 2 weeks or a month? So, I thought: - bugs go from RESOLVED to

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Try not to reopen bugs when anything more than a trivial amount of time has passed

2015-03-24 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 07:33:03PM +0100, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: > all bugs(*). One could have a bot setting bugs from RESOLVED to VERIFIED > though, if there is not objection ("verified by silent approval") ... after the suggested "a month" timeframe, that is

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Try not to reopen bugs when anything more than a trivial amount of time has passed

2015-03-24 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 08:19:00AM -0700, Joel Madero wrote: > Okay - so what should the actual REOPENED be used for (if anything)? > Should only developers use it? Since QA is using it wrong (I think you > referring to one I changed), users use it wrong all the timejust > curious what its

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Try not to reopen bugs when anything more than a trivial amount of time has passed

2015-03-24 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 01:29:21PM -0400, Robinson Tryon wrote: > It sounds like the ideal situation would be for a bug to be in some > kind of 'fluid' state for some time after it's ostensibly fixed > (say, a month) That workflow already exists in bugzilla, however it is not how we are using

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2015-03-09 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Fri, Mar 06, 2015 at 11:59:31AM +, Michael Meeks wrote: > * GSoC (Cedric/Thorsten) > + for excellent students - taking _their_ idea not completely out > of the question I added a note wrt that here: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/index.php?title=Development%2F

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Background/frame regressions in 4.4

2015-03-05 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Thu, Mar 05, 2015 at 01:46:12AM +0400, Jay Philips wrote: > Matthew has bibisected bug 88337 and bug 85283 and confirmed both are > caused by different commits, so i dont see how both can be duplicates of > bug 86578 which hasnt been bibisected. Um, yeah -- if I would have been sure, I wou

[Libreoffice-qa] Background/frame regressions in 4.4

2015-03-04 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, there are lots of very similar "background/frame regressions" in 4.4, e.g.: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?bug_id=89478%2C89478%2C88337%2C87369%2C85283%2C89802&bug_id_type=anyexact&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESO

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] DLP Projects as products?

2015-02-13 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 04:52:45PM +0100, David Tardon wrote: > I do not even quite understand what you mean by it. To merge all the > libraries into one? Or to always release everything whether there has > been any change or not? The latter would be a starting point. You will hardly get a ar

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] DLP Projects as products?

2015-02-12 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 01:46:24PM +0100, David Tardon wrote: > I disagree. The libraries are separate projects, not components of a > single project. Also, an user reporting a bug for one of the libraries > might not even know about DLP. So hiding the libraries under DLP label > would not be

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] that walrus

2015-02-01 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 07:25:45AM -0700, bfoman wrote: > Bjoern Michaelsen wrote > > He/She might reappear possibly though now that this > > is "our" Bugzilla: e.g. for bug hunting sessions. > > Those have hunter walrus > (https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/i

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] suggestion for weekly-bug-summary

2015-01-30 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 07:56:57AM +0100, Cor Nouws wrote: > Joel Madero wrote on 30-01-15 00:13: > > >> Would that be good & possible? > > > > I agree that it would be good & it is possible. > > Can I change add a query myself to that page? Just a note hinting at what should be obvious: If we

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] suggestion for weekly-bug-summary

2015-01-29 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 04:14:24PM -0800, Joel Madero wrote: > I've never been a fan of this split to begin with. Having a much less > visible means of suggesting enhancement requests or bugs pretty much > just sucks. Just speaking for myself, I'm very unlikely to report any > enhancement requ

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] suggestion for weekly-bug-summary

2015-01-29 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 03:13:18PM -0800, Joel Madero wrote: > I agree that it would be good & it is possible. I highly recommend we > create a new product "bugzilla" where we can easily track these > enhancement requests...else they are likely to get lost in the abyss. Nope. Bugzilla is Infr

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] that walrus

2015-01-29 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 05:07:24AM +0100, Tommy wrote: > hi there, I'm curious to know the name of that walrus mascot we have > in our own bugzilla. so here are a few proposals: - for a walrus, "Dead Paul" after the barefeet knighted Beatle[1] is always an option - "Antje" as in Lueneburg,

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Platform + BSA

2015-01-14 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 09:08:01PM -0500, Robinson Tryon wrote: > Stats say tha the vast majority of bugs affect all platforms, so I'm a > little hesitant to use 'untriaged', as I don't want people to think > they *have to* fill out that field during triage, which would require > more than one comp

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Platform + BSA

2015-01-11 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 08:17:47PM +0100, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: > Suggestion: > 1/ Rename "all" to "multiple" (as that is less ambiguous in cases were a bug >was shown to happen on e.g. Linux and OSX: triagers might be reluctant to >use "all&qu

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Platform + BSA

2015-01-11 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi Joel. On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 09:49:40AM -0800, Joel Madero wrote: > Suggestion: > Platform is set to all automatically > Platform that user is using is put in comment of description nice catch on spotting the suboptimal situation there. However, let me suggest the following alternate for once

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Keyword "bisected"

2015-01-05 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Mon, Jan 05, 2015 at 08:23:20AM -0800, Joel Madero wrote: > A couple people have told me they use the keyword to indicate that the > exact (or nearly the exact) commit has been identified. I use it like that. > If this is true...it's good to have (and would be another potential easy hack

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] ping to retest old bugs

2015-01-05 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Sat, Jan 03, 2015 at 04:37:07PM -0800, Joel Madero wrote: > Suggestions to get around this welcome. Hmm, yeah. For now, I just linked between the two pages, hopeful that this would limit possible confusion. Best, Bjoern ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] ping to retest old bugs

2015-01-03 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 03:47:52PM -0500, Robinson Tryon wrote: > Taskified: > https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Bugzilla/Gardening#Task:_Bugs_untouched_for_a_year Hmm, seeing that wiki page: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Bugzilla/Gardening I wonder if it shouldnt be folded i

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2014-12-24 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 12:13:57PM +0100, Robert Großkopf wrote: > Hi Bjoern, > > > > > True. In the end a fully triaged (aka a bug that a QA guys can do nothing > > more > > about and that only can be moved forward by a developer) is either: > > > > 1/ a regression, which has been bibisected >

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2014-12-24 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 10:31:35PM +0100, Cor Nouws wrote: > One thing that may be handled too: when confirming also check if it > worked before (regression or not) and such. True. In the end a fully triaged (aka a bug that a QA guys can do nothing more about and that only can be moved forwar

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] mab4.2 to mab4.3 migration almost over

2014-12-18 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 11:09:37AM -0800, Joel Madero wrote: > Well when we move to our own bug tracker we are hoping to abandon MAB > completely and just use priority/importance - as these will be locked > out to regular users so we can make sure they are objective and > accurate. So...hopefu

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Bibisect 4.4

2014-12-11 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 03:17:28PM -0500, Robinson Tryon wrote: > Bibisect 4.4 has been updated and is available from the dev-downloads > server as bibisect-44.tar.xz. Information about bibisecting here: > https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/HowToBibisect#Versions Awesome, thanks! Best, Bjoer

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] 4.4 refactorings and BHS (was: minutes of ESC call ...)

2014-11-14 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 03:42:16PM +0100, Sophie Gautier wrote: > Maybe it would be easier if I add the test cases to MozTrap? there could be > also a follow-up through the beta/rc/final. Thank you, that would be great! I was suggesting to "just edit the wiki" as telling hackers to enter stuff in

[Libreoffice-qa] 4.4 refactorings and BHS (was: minutes of ESC call ...)

2014-11-14 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 04:13:33PM +, Michael Meeks wrote: > * QA (Robinson) There is a Bug Hunting Session for 4.4 coming up next week. If you did any bigger refactoring or other work that primarily can be assumed to affect a specific area of usecases, please add this to: https://wiki.

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] LibreOffice 4.4 alpha 2 bibisect repo

2014-11-12 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 02:34:36PM +0100, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: > it should be finished in ~1 hour. Completed and added to the wiki: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/index.php?title=QA%2FHowToBibisect&diff=104301&oldid=104300 Happy testing! Be

[Libreoffice-qa] LibreOffice 4.4 alpha 2 bibisect repo

2014-11-12 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi all, I am currently uploading the intermediate LibreOffice 4.4~alpha2 bibisect repo to: http://people.canonical.com/~bjoern/bibisect/bibisect-44alpha2only.tar.xz http://people.canonical.com/~bjoern/bibisect/bibisect-44alpha2only.tar.xz.sig it should be finished in ~1 hour. Note the baseline

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Migration of dev-downloads to new infrastructure - Planned DOWNTIME

2014-11-10 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 02:14:40PM +0100, Alexander Werner wrote: > the dev-downloads VM will be migrated to our new infrastructure on Tuesday, > 11 November, thefore there will be a downtime starting at about 0900UTC and > ending around 2300UTC. As that is a prime download location for bibisect

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] "No activity" warnings - EasyHacks

2014-10-28 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 10:18:04PM +0100, Jan Holesovsky wrote: > But that's probably hard to do ATM, so I'd avoid any "retest pings" > there; or at least phrase them differently - in the Easy Hacks, the > pings shouldn't be about retesting, but more about the review of the > Easy Hack itself, beca

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Minutes of ESC call: 2014-10-16

2014-10-24 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 11:13:12AM +0200, Jan Holesovsky wrote: > * Open-source related projects for a local university (Jacobo) > + ~200-300 hours projects sought > + ideas appreciated! > + please send to the ML too :-) (Norbert) Two ideas from the build system world: - 1/ Repla

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] ping to retest old bugs

2014-10-18 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 10:47:05PM -0700, Joel Madero wrote: > I'm honestly hesitant to do any more of this kind of thing with the > email notification on. Devs hate it, users hate it, etc . . . Our bug > tracker is making progress, IMHO this can wait until we get it fully up. > Just my two cents.

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Minutes of ESC call: 2014-10-16

2014-10-18 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 11:13:12AM +0200, Jan Holesovsky wrote: > * LibreOffice 4.4 bibisects repo creation (Bjoern) > + Bjoern creating, but Robinson should take over > + but has time for that? - bugzilla migration a priority... (Bjoern) > + Bjoern can do that at the time of th

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] ping to retest old bugs

2014-10-17 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 04:03:47AM +0200, Tommy wrote: > "your bug report has shown no activity in the last 6 months. newer > LibO releases with hundred of bugifixes and new features have been > releases meanwhile, so please retest with current LibO release > (4.3.2.2) and give feedback of the

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Minutes of ESC call: 2014-10-16

2014-10-17 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 11:13:12AM +0200, Jan Holesovsky wrote: > + need a bugzilla query for the bugs that have been bisected to a single > commit (Miklos) > AI + can do that (Bjoern) > + we have a keyword "bisected", can use that for those with exact > commit >+ don

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Minutes of ESC call: 2014-10-16

2014-10-17 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 11:01:51AM -0400, Terrence Enger wrote: > I have created a debian-sid chroot environment to avoid complaints > about old libraries from the bibisect versions. For example in > debian-wheezy (i.e., stable), 43all version latest complains: The alpha1 bibisect update is alrea

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Minutes of ESC call: 2014-10-16

2014-10-17 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 11:47:30AM +0200, Stephan Bergmann wrote: > Would not the best thing to do be to do bibisect builds on the > release baseline, as is done for the TDF builds? That way, the > builds should work on as many machines as possible. As discussed explicitly in the call: I hav

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] UNCONFIRMED bug count below 800

2014-10-16 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 03:57:14AM +0200, Tommy wrote: > On Thu, 16 Oct 2014 03:53:47 +0200, Tommy wrote: > > >the QA team broke another mileston. > > > >we are back below 800, see: > >https://bugs.freedesktop.org/report.cgi?y_axis_field=bug_status&query_format=report-table&product=LibreOffice&fo

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2014-10-09 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Thu, Oct 09, 2014 at 04:35:12PM +0100, Caolán McNamara wrote: > Wouldn't it be nice if the bugs could be split into two categories of > 100% reproducible and not, and script the 100% reproducers and > automatically re-run the script on each milestone to see which ones got > fixed in passing. Tho

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Update to wiki Development/Java page

2014-09-30 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Sun, Sep 07, 2014 at 05:22:20AM -0700, Owen Genat wrote: > I have just made an update to the wiki Development/Java page: > > https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Java Most of that code is not shipped production code, but testcode etc. -- I added a commented stripped down list a

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2014-09-29 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 03:36:34PM +0100, Michael Meeks wrote: > + how is redmine used for QA ? (Robinson) > + specific admin pieces tracked in there. > + happy to use bugzilla for that purpose > + might already fit in the existing infra in Redmine ?

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2014-09-26 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 03:36:34PM +0100, Michael Meeks wrote: > + Bjoern re-introduced mergelibs for 4.3.2 > + enabled for 4.3.1 without a patch, we need > other libs in mergelibs to avoid circular deps. > + some interesting bug reports wrt. dbtools mo

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2014-09-25 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 03:36:34PM +0100, Michael Meeks wrote: > + blog about the sad realities of web plugins (Bjoern) > [ writing it right now ] done: http://skyfromme.wordpress.com/2014/09/25/killing-the-npapi-plugin/ Best, Bjoern __

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] MySQL native connector for OS X

2014-09-25 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 07:50:56PM -0400, Robinson Tryon wrote: > On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 7:33 PM, Dan Lewis wrote: > >> Ubuntu version. I seem to recall that build-dep did not install all of > >> the required build environment for me and that I had to add extra stuff. > > bingo! > > > Firs

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Suggestion for the use of pre-written responses

2014-08-20 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi, On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 04:35:52PM +0400, Jay Philips wrote: > So i'd like to propose the creation a wiki page of pre-written responses > that we can all use. I have created the wiki page at < > https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/BugTriage/Pre-Written_Responses > > and will be adding entri

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of the ESC Call 2014-08-14

2014-08-14 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 06:33:37PM +0200, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: > * commit access confusion: whops, missed this link relevant to the topic and branch reviews here: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Branches Best, Bjoern ___ List N

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of the ESC Call 2014-08-14

2014-08-14 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
* Present + Robinson, Miklos, Christian, Bjorn, Michael S, Muthu * Completed Action Items + setup some VM's that can be created on-demand (Cloph) + done for the hackfest, non-public + working on creating a public machine + initial version based on Amazon marketplac

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Minutes of ESC call: 2014-08-07

2014-08-08 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi Terrence, On Thu, Aug 07, 2014 at 07:30:12PM -0400, Terrence Enger wrote: > I think that a publicly available VM set up for testing--especially > for testing Base--would be useful, something like Drew Jensen started > working on a few years ago >

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