Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] Referencing bugs in commits

[Markus Mohrhard]

Hey,

2012/2/14 Michael Stahl :
> On 14/02/12 17:48, Andras Timar wrote:
>> 2012/2/14 Ivan Timofeev :
>>> On 14.02.2012 19:31, Michael Meeks wrote:


 On Tue, 2012-02-14 at 16:16 +0100, Jan Holesovsky wrote:
>
> Markus has implemented a nice feature that should help keeping the bugs
> up to date: whenever you are committing / pushing to git, and you


        ooh ! really lovely :-)

        Great work Markus !
>>>
>>>
>>> Indeed!!! :) I'm always exceedingly amazed at the work Markus do as a
>>> free-time contributor.
>>>
>>> Just a question:
>>> Is it possible somehow include the information about a target version?
>>>
>> IMHO target version is not known at commit time. Developer commits the
>> fix to master and optionally asks for cherry picking. Whoever closes
>> the bug should update the target version in bugzilla.
>
> the way i got used to is to add one "target:x.y.z " for every branch
> that the fix got committed to, for example:
> "target:3.4.6 target:3.5.1 target:3.6.0beta0"
>
> it looks possible to do that from a git hook as well, incrementally
> (i.e. the field is extended if the current target of the branch isn't in
> the list already).
>
> but it would require that the hook knows which is the next release that
> is created from every branch at push time...
>

That should be possible. I have some ideas based on Kendy's first
implementation for that. It should be even possible to adapt the
target version from 3.5.1 to 3.5.0 if a commit is pushed to 3-5 and
later to 3-5-0.

I will think a bit about it and hopefully find a good solution soon.

Regards,
Markus
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] RC3 released as Final version???

[Luc Castermans]

Hi,

YES!!   RC3 etc. should be removed from the About.

Indeed marketing wise this it is bad to keep RC3 while the product is
flagged as 3.5.

regards

Luc

2012/2/15 Rimas Kudelis :
> 2012.02.15 00:14, Pedro rašė:
>
>> Olav Dahlum wrote
>>>
>>> This should be fixed ASAP from a marketing point of view. It's all about
>>> expectations, so renaming the tarball etc is just not good enough.
>>> Leif did also receive a similar complaint earlier, so this should be
>>> taken very seriously. This is not the first time I've addressed the
>>> dangers of such practices.
>>>
>> Thanks you, Olav. I was starting to think I was the only mad person here.
>>
>> Apparently even Cor finds this normal.
>>
>> Cor, please show me ONE program that does this and I will agree with you.
>>
>>  This is completely absurd for me...
>
>
> I think the other vendors do it the other way around (well, at least Mozilla
> does, AFAIR): their RC releases indicate themselves as final, so after
> renaming, this simply becomes true, and no recompilation is necessary.
>
> One way to address this and still allow identifying which RC this is easily
> would be to implement my suggestion from
> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42239. This way, the about
> dialog in RC3 would look somewhat like this:
>
> LibreOffice 3.5.0
> Build ID: libreoffice-3.5.0.3
>
> In this case, the fourth number in Build ID line would represent the RC
> number.
>
> Rimas
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] RC3 released as Final version???

[Rimas Kudelis]

2012.02.15 00:14, Pedro rašė:

Olav Dahlum wrote

This should be fixed ASAP from a marketing point of view. It's all about
expectations, so renaming the tarball etc is just not good enough.
Leif did also receive a similar complaint earlier, so this should be
taken very seriously. This is not the first time I've addressed the
dangers of such practices.


Thanks you, Olav. I was starting to think I was the only mad person here.

Apparently even Cor finds this normal.

Cor, please show me ONE program that does this and I will agree with you.

  This is completely absurd for me...


I think the other vendors do it the other way around (well, at least 
Mozilla does, AFAIR): their RC releases indicate themselves as final, so 
after renaming, this simply becomes true, and no recompilation is necessary.


One way to address this and still allow identifying which RC this is 
easily would be to implement my suggestion from 
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42239. This way, the about 
dialog in RC3 would look somewhat like this:


LibreOffice 3.5.0
Build ID: libreoffice-3.5.0.3

In this case, the fourth number in Build ID line would represent the RC 
number.


Rimas
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] RC3 released as Final version???

[Olav Dahlum]

2012/2/14 Pedro 

>
> Olav Dahlum wrote
> >
> > This should be fixed ASAP from a marketing point of view. It's all about
> > expectations, so renaming the tarball etc is just not good enough.
> > Leif did also receive a similar complaint earlier, so this should be
> > taken very seriously. This is not the first time I've addressed the
> > dangers of such practices.
> >
>
> Thanks you, Olav. I was starting to think I was the only mad person here.
>
> Apparently even Cor finds this normal.
>
> Cor, please show me ONE program that does this and I will agree with you.
>
>  This is completely absurd for me...
>
>
Keep in mind that most of us have done little marketing, so there's holes
to fill in here.
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] RC3 released as Final version???

[Pedro]

Olav Dahlum wrote
> 
> This should be fixed ASAP from a marketing point of view. It's all about
> expectations, so renaming the tarball etc is just not good enough.
> Leif did also receive a similar complaint earlier, so this should be
> taken very seriously. This is not the first time I've addressed the
> dangers of such practices.
> 

Thanks you, Olav. I was starting to think I was the only mad person here.

Apparently even Cor finds this normal.

Cor, please show me ONE program that does this and I will agree with you.

 This is completely absurd for me...

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] RC3 released as Final version???

[Olav Dahlum]

On 14/02/12 22:35, Cor Nouws wrote:
> Pedro wrote (14-02-12 22:33)
> 
>> is released and the About box says
>>
>> LibreOffice 3.5.0rc3
> 
> IIRC, this is as usual: after the final RC no new builds are made, so no
> strings are updated :-)
> 
> 

This should be fixed ASAP from a marketing point of view. It's all about
expectations, so renaming the tarball etc is just not good enough.
Leif did also receive a similar complaint earlier, so this should be
taken very seriously. This is not the first time I've addressed the
dangers of such practices.

– Olav
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] RC3 released as Final version???

[Cor Nouws]

Pedro wrote (14-02-12 22:33)


is released and the About box says

LibreOffice 3.5.0rc3


IIRC, this is as usual: after the final RC no new builds are made, so no 
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[Libreoffice-qa] RC3 released as Final version???

[Pedro]

Hi all,

I am aware that for developers a .0 release is a little more than a Beta,
but for QA people I think that it is a little offensive that a Final version
is released and the About box says

LibreOffice 3.5.0rc3

Maybe QA has a different meaning for me. But it really pisses me off the
lack of concern about these details.

I know that the last RC version IS the release version codewise, but
changing the text in the About box can't possibly affect the stability of
the release, right?

More disappointed regards,
Pedro

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Bugzilla Page view - comment text line length

[Cor Nouws]

Rainer Bielefeld wrote (14-02-12 19:23)

Hello,

I have been used to see Bugzilla respecting my screen width, for nearby
all bugs Bugzilla line length for the comments matched with my screen
width. Some days ago behavior changed, Page heading and footer still
[...]



I Can't find settings to modify that.


  https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45693\
and while you're there, also see
  https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45717

(I though I mailed those to the list before, sorry if I have forgotten)

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] Referencing bugs in commits

[Michael Stahl]

On 14/02/12 17:48, Andras Timar wrote:
> 2012/2/14 Ivan Timofeev :
>> On 14.02.2012 19:31, Michael Meeks wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, 2012-02-14 at 16:16 +0100, Jan Holesovsky wrote:

 Markus has implemented a nice feature that should help keeping the bugs
 up to date: whenever you are committing / pushing to git, and you
>>>
>>>
>>>ooh ! really lovely :-)
>>>
>>>Great work Markus !
>>
>>
>> Indeed!!! :) I'm always exceedingly amazed at the work Markus do as a
>> free-time contributor.
>>
>> Just a question:
>> Is it possible somehow include the information about a target version?
>>
> IMHO target version is not known at commit time. Developer commits the
> fix to master and optionally asks for cherry picking. Whoever closes
> the bug should update the target version in bugzilla.

the way i got used to is to add one "target:x.y.z " for every branch
that the fix got committed to, for example:
"target:3.4.6 target:3.5.1 target:3.6.0beta0"

it looks possible to do that from a git hook as well, incrementally
(i.e. the field is extended if the current target of the branch isn't in
the list already).

but it would require that the hook knows which is the next release that
is created from every branch at push time...

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] Referencing bugs in commits

[Jan Holesovsky]

Hi Ivan,

Ivan Timofeev píše v Út 14. 02. 2012 v 20:33 +0400:

> Is it possible somehow include the information about a target version?

Oh - great idea :-)  Added that to the script; it does some best-effort
guess, by saying "It will be available in LibreOffice x.y.z.", where x.y
is derived from the branch name, and z is an increment of the highest
existing libreoffice-x-y-[0-9]*.

When it is cherry-picked to libreoffice-x-y-z explicitly, the message
about that will appear in the bug too, so an earlier inclusion is not an
issue.

Please test that it works :-)

Thank you,
Kendy

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Bugzilla Page view - comment text line length

[Rainer Bielefeld]

Hi,

I forgot to mention, search result still are shown in a perfect way.

ATB

Rainer
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[Libreoffice-qa] Bugzilla Page view - comment text line length

[Rainer Bielefeld]

Hello,

I have been used to see Bugzilla respecting my screen width, for nearby 
all bugs Bugzilla line length for the comments matched with my screen 
width. Some days ago behavior changed, Page heading and footer still 
match perfectly with screen width, but now the text lines of comments 
are much longer, they exceed header width, and I have to scroll 
horizontally.


I see that with Seamonkey 2.6.1 and FF10.

AOOo Bugzilla looks fine - hmm, there the line length should be some longer.

I Can't find settings to modify that.

Do you also see this effect?

Best regards

Rainer
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] Referencing bugs in commits

[Jan Holesovsky]

Hi Pierre-André,

Pierre-André Jacquod píše v Út 14. 02. 2012 v 18:02 +0100:

> > The bug reference has to have fdo#ABCDE form (where ABCDE is the bug
> > number), and has to be at the first line of the commit (it does not
> > matter where on that line).
> 
> Sorry, one point is for me not clear:
> 
> by the first line, do you mean "title line" or would it works also as 
> first line of the comment (hence not being into the title) ?

Has to be the title line, sorry for not being clear :-)

Regards,
Kendy

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] Referencing bugs in commits

[Michael Meeks]

On Tue, 2012-02-14 at 20:33 +0400, Ivan Timofeev wrote:
> Is it possible somehow include the information about a target version?

I guess that -should- be implicit in the branch it is committed to, so
- sounds feasible ;-) at least - the expert eye can see that information
there already.

ATB,

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] AOOo Issues [From Symphony]

[Rainer Bielefeld]

Cedric Bosdonnat schrieb:


Well, we can combine the use of a static list in a wiki page and the
greasemonkey script I wrote in the IZ times


Hi Cédric,

thank you for the hint, unfortunately I don't have skills there and no 
idea how to use the script.


@all:
May be someone else can do something useful with the script? But we 
should not forget to check the bugs ;-)


All the best

Rainer
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] Referencing bugs in commits

[Pierre-André Jacquod]

hello,


The bug reference has to have fdo#ABCDE form (where ABCDE is the bug
number), and has to be at the first line of the commit (it does not
matter where on that line).


Sorry, one point is for me not clear:

by the first line, do you mean "title line" or would it works also as 
first line of the comment (hence not being into the title) ?


Thanks
Pierre-André

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] Referencing bugs in commits

[Andras Timar]

2012/2/14 Ivan Timofeev :
> On 14.02.2012 19:31, Michael Meeks wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 2012-02-14 at 16:16 +0100, Jan Holesovsky wrote:
>>>
>>> Markus has implemented a nice feature that should help keeping the bugs
>>> up to date: whenever you are committing / pushing to git, and you
>>
>>
>>        ooh ! really lovely :-)
>>
>>        Great work Markus !
>
>
> Indeed!!! :) I'm always exceedingly amazed at the work Markus do as a
> free-time contributor.
>
> Just a question:
> Is it possible somehow include the information about a target version?
>
IMHO target version is not known at commit time. Developer commits the
fix to master and optionally asks for cherry picking. Whoever closes
the bug should update the target version in bugzilla.

Best regards,
Andras
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] Referencing bugs in commits

[Ivan Timofeev]

On 14.02.2012 19:31, Michael Meeks wrote:


On Tue, 2012-02-14 at 16:16 +0100, Jan Holesovsky wrote:

Markus has implemented a nice feature that should help keeping the bugs
up to date: whenever you are committing / pushing to git, and you


ooh ! really lovely :-)

Great work Markus !


Indeed!!! :) I'm always exceedingly amazed at the work Markus do as a 
free-time contributor.


Just a question:
Is it possible somehow include the information about a target version?

Best Regards,
Ivan

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] Referencing bugs in commits

[Michael Meeks]

On Tue, 2012-02-14 at 16:16 +0100, Jan Holesovsky wrote:
> Markus has implemented a nice feature that should help keeping the bugs
> up to date: whenever you are committing / pushing to git, and you

ooh ! really lovely :-)

Great work Markus !

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[Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] Referencing bugs in commits

[Jan Holesovsky]

Hi,

Markus has implemented a nice feature that should help keeping the bugs
up to date: whenever you are committing / pushing to git, and you
reference the bugs.freedesktop.org bug in the commit message, it will
automatically appear as a comment in the bug :-)

The bug reference has to have fdo#ABCDE form (where ABCDE is the bug
number), and has to be at the first line of the commit (it does not
matter where on that line).  So eg. when you write git commit log as:

- 8< -
fdo#45748: Don't use empty pages for computing the page break position
- 8< -

It will result in the following comment in bugzilla:

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45748#c7

I am sorry for the trouble with the UTF-8 encoding, we'll fix that
later.  Also, the comments are so far created with my bugzilla account,
we'll switch to a bug alias soon.

Regards,
Kendy

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] AOOo Issues [From Symphony]

[Christian Lohmaier]

Hi Florian,

On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 2:50 PM, Florian Reisinger
 wrote:
> Why do not use a Metabug like:
> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6
> There is a: "See Also:     Add Bug URLs: " and comments...
> IMHO that would be much easier...

This won't get you newly filed ones, and also doesn't remove the need
for reviewing the apache-OOo ones.

And you cannot delete or edit bugzilla comments, so it tends to get
crowded rather fast.

ciao
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] AOOo Issues [From Symphony]

[Florian Reisinger]

Hi @ll !

Why do not use a Metabug like:
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6
There is a: "See Also: Add Bug URLs: " and comments...
IMHO that would be much easier...


--
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Florian Reisinger

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] AOOo Issues [From Symphony]

[Christian Lohmaier]

Hi Rainer, *,

On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 12:04 PM, Rainer Bielefeld
 wrote:
> Christian Lohmaier schrieb:
>
>> In the wiki you could use the easy-hacks method, i.e. use a query and
>> add it to the page using the feed tag..
>
> great tool, unfortunatly I do not have experince at all. how will it
> recognize ÁOoo Issues that have been reviewed by LibO QA?

It won't.

> I would have to add every reviewed AOOo bug number manually to my query.

Yes - or better you'd exclude the ones that don't apply.
Create a query that has an explicit timeframe (filed until ) that
is considered a reviewed list, and add another one that starts at that
date (the unreviewed one).
Collect comments "applies/doesn't apply" below the queries and
periodically update the queries accordingly.

you could also only create the "new ones" list as the feed, and use a
static export from the other ones (if you assume that all issues are
flagged right from the start, and that the keyword is not retro-fitted
to existing ones).

so
* static manually reviewed until 
* static export since  until 
[collect comments to the issues here/applies/doesn't apply]
* dynamic list with issues since 
[collect comments to the issues here]

last_wikipage_updated refers to when the reviewed issues list was
updated, i.e. when the comments to the static export has been
evaluated (i.e. has been reviewed as well), and becomes an addition to
the static manually reviewed list.
The old dynamic list becomes the new static-list-for-review, and the
dynamic list shifts its date accordingly.
(hope you understand what I'm trying to sketch here :-))

But it is only a suggestion, so just use whatever is easiest for you.

ciao
Christian
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] AOOo Issues [From Symphony]

[Rainer Bielefeld]

Christian Lohmaier schrieb:


In the wiki you could use the easy-hacks method, i.e. use a query and
add it to the page using the feed tag..


Hi,

great tool, unfortunatly I do not have experince at all. how will it 
recognize ÁOoo Issues that have been reviewed by LibO QA?


I would have to add every reviewed AOOo bug number manually to my query.

Best regards

Rainer
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] AOOo Issues [From Symphony]

[Christian Lohmaier]

Hi Rainer, *,

On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 9:48 AM, Rainer Bielefeld
 wrote:
>> Hmm - any other way here, without having to pollute a foreign
>> bugtracker with LibO-specifics? A static list in the wiki maybe?
>
> I deal with your concerns, a consequent addition of bug numbers, so that I
> can adapt the query link (or the reviewer can add new AOOo numbers easily)
>  might be the better way.

In the wiki you could use the easy-hacks method, i.e. use a query and
add it to the page using the feed tag..

(the listing then however would be labeled "EasyHack" as well, but as
those issues all have fixes already, it kind of is an easy hack)
anyway...

e.g.
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=%22from%20symphony%22;list_id=6114&ctype=atom";
entries="10">
=== [{ID} {TITLE} ===
{DESCRIPTION}


(note: you want to use a rel query instead of the quicksearch for the
real thing - just append &ctype=atom to make it a feed and you have a
ready-to-use URL)

ciao
Christian
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] AOOo Issues [From Symphony]

[Cedric Bosdonnat]

Hi Thorsten, Rainer,

On Tue, 2012-02-14 at 09:39 +0100, Thorsten Behrens wrote:
> > Leave a comment in AOOo bug concerning your result:
> > "LibO also affected"
> > "LibO not affected"
> > If you use exactly those strings we can avoid double work easily
> > with a clever query, oyu find it on my Workbench
> > 
> Hmm - any other way here, without having to pollute a foreign
> bugtracker with LibO-specifics? A static list in the wiki maybe?

Well, we can combine the use of a static list in a wiki page and the
greasemonkey script I wrote in the IZ times (note that I haven't
tested/updated that script with the move to AOOo bugzilla). It's only a
small JS hack away and that script already gets some data from this
page:

http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/FixedIZ

Hope that helps,
--
Cedric

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] AOOo Issues [From Symphony]

[Rainer Bielefeld]

Thorsten Behrens schrieb:


Hmm - any other way here, without having to pollute a foreign
bugtracker with LibO-specifics? A static list in the wiki maybe?


Hi,

I deal with your concerns, a consequent addition of bug numbers, so that 
I can adapt the query link (or the reviewer can add new AOOo numbers 
easily)  might be the better way.


ATB

Rainer
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] AOOo Issues [From Symphony]

[Thorsten Behrens]

Hi Rainer,

you wrote:
> That's a fruitfully source, we should check that systematically.
> 
absolutely - just did for the presentation bugs, those which I could
test (one had a non-public bug document) are fixed for LibO.
 
> Leave a comment in AOOo bug concerning your result:
> "LibO also affected"
> "LibO not affected"
> If you use exactly those strings we can avoid double work easily
> with a clever query, oyu find it on my Workbench
> 
Hmm - any other way here, without having to pollute a foreign
bugtracker with LibO-specifics? A static list in the wiki maybe?

> May be you have ideas to improve the query to include more AOOo
> iissue with big probability that LibO also is affected?
> 
Hard to tell - also, my hunch would be (given the limited sample
from above), that many of those obvious bugs are fixed here? ;)

Cheers,

-- Thorsten


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[Libreoffice-qa] AOOo Issues [From Symphony]

[Rainer Bielefeld]

Hi all, Hi Markus,

in AOOo Bugzilla I find lots of bugs with [From Symphony] in Subject 
line, I just took

 
to
 

That's a fruitfully source, we should check that systematically.

I recommend proceeding as following:

Check AOOo for [From Symphony]
Leave a comment in AOOo bug concerning your result:
"LibO also affected"
"LibO not affected"
If you use exactly those strings we can avoid double work easily with a 
clever query, oyu find it on my Workbench




If you suggest a different proceeding please hurry up and post it here.

Please feel encouraged to check AOoo Bugs systematically.

May be you have ideas to improve the query to include more AOOo iissue 
with big probability that LibO also is affected?


Further discussion please in 

Best regards


Rainer
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