Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [Math] Clicking in Formular does not let the cursor change its position in the main part

[Thomas Hackert]

Good morning Robert, *,
On Sonntag, 8. Dezember 2013 20:31 Robert Großkopf wrote:
>> On Sonntag, 8. Dezember 2013 19:41 Robert Großkopf wrote:

>>> Can't see any buggy behavior there.
>> 
>> Could you mention your OS/architecture/graphics card or
>> chip/driver here as well?
> 
> Here OpenSUSE 12.3, 64bit rpm Linux - graphics Card? Something
> from Intel, don't know.

thanks for the info :)

> I have now tested with enabled "Experimental Features". The cursor
> goes to the main window and you could edit the values in the main
> window. Could be that this is the difference, as Regina wrote.
> Without these feature you could only edit in the special
> input-area.

Yes, it is :)
Thanks for your answer
Thomas.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [Math] Clicking in Formular does not let the cursor change its position in the main part

[Thomas Hackert]

Good morning Regina, *,
On Sonntag, 8. Dezember 2013 19:56 Regina Henschel wrote:
> Thomas Hackert schrieb:
>> as I am testing
>> http://manual-test.libreoffice.org/runtests/run/57/env/642/ in
>> MozTrap right now, I followed the following instruction there
>>  1. * Open a new Formula document using File > New >
>> Formula
>>  * Enter formula values in the input frame as: lllint from{1}
>> to{x} (1 over sum from {k > j} (d_(j)+arccot(nroot{32
>> }X^{11})))+1 there should be the mathematical formula you input
>> displayed in the main area
>> 2. Click on around the rendered formula symbol in the main area
>> the cursor jumps to the corresponding character in the input
>> frame 3. ...
>> 
>> . If I copy this formular to Math, then click on the formular in
>> the main window, I cannot see the cursor "jumping" to its
>> corresponding position ... :( Is it only on my system? Or can
>> anyone else with a different OS/architecture confirm this? Or is
>> this an error in the test description?
> 
> Do you have enabled "experimental feature"? Then you get the new
> way to enter formulas and that way has no formula cursor.

ah, O.K. This explains my experience :) This means: Yes, I have the 
"experimental features" enabled ... ;)
Thanks for your answer
Thomas.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] LO's spellchecker shows grammar errors/hints in English, though UI is in German?

[Thomas Hackert]

Good morning Robert, *,
On Sonntag, 8. Dezember 2013 19:54 Robert Großkopf wrote:
>>> Original OpenSUSE LO 4.1.1.2 shows the message with a black
>>> background and, could be, in black color on the same system.
>> 
>> "could be"? Does it mean, you only see a black "bar" there?
> 
> Yes, only a black bar. If there is is any information in this bar
> it is perfecly hidden for me. But it is the "unstable repository"
> from OpenSUSE where I have got this version from ...

O.K. Thank you for your explanation :)
Thomas.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] LO's spellchecker shows grammar errors/hints in English, though UI is in German?

[Thomas Hackert]

Good morning Pedro, *,
On Montag, 9. Dezember 2013 00:00 Pedro wrote:
> Thomas Hackert wrote
>> do you really not see this yellow backgrounded message below
>> "Text language"? Would you be so kind to download the test
>> document from MozTrap
>> (http://manual-test.libreoffice.org/media/attachments/2013/01/15/language-test-en.odt)
>> then, and test it again, please? If I use the German UI, I
>> see a couple of blue underlines in the document, and if I start
>> the spellchecker and it reaches the first one ["SUSE, ..."] it
>> will say "Extra space before the period?" in this yellowish "bar"
>> ... ;)
> 
> Yes, I finally arrived to that sentence. I didn't get the yellow
> bar before because it only shows up on Grammar suggestions.

ah, O.K. On your picture you linked below, you get the yellow colour 
as well :) I have called it in default of its correct name "bar" ... 
;)

> You are correct that it was not related to Language Tool (it only
> showed up earlier with Language Tool on Beta2)

O.K.

> I can confirm that the messages are in the wrong language under
> Windows as well. But it is not the default UI language: it is the
> language that it is used for spell checking. I tested with the
> French version of the document you linked and instead of getting
> the messages in Portuguese (as expected since I was using the
> Portuguese UI), I got the messages in French :)

Thanks for confirming :) Do you – by any chance – know, if it is 
already reported to Bugzilla? I will have the time to look this 
evening, but if someone can do this before, I would be more than 
thankful :)

> 

> 
> Hope this helps ;)

Indeed, it did :)
Have a nice day
Thomas.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] LO's spellchecker shows grammar errors/hints in English, though UI is in German?

[Pedro]

Hi Thomas


Thomas Hackert wrote
> do you really not see this yellow backgrounded message below "Text 
> language"? Would you be so kind to download the test document from 
> MozTrap
> (http://manual-test.libreoffice.org/media/attachments/2013/01/15/language-test-en.odt)
> then, and test it again, please? If I use the German UI, I 
> see a couple of blue underlines in the document, and if I start the 
> spellchecker and it reaches the first one ["SUSE, ..."] it will say 
> "Extra space before the period?" in this yellowish "bar" ... ;)

Yes, I finally arrived to that sentence. I didn't get the yellow bar before
because it only shows up on Grammar suggestions.

You are correct that it was not related to Language Tool (it only showed up
earlier with Language Tool on Beta2)

I can confirm that the messages are in the wrong language under Windows as
well. But it is not the default UI language: it is the language that it is
used for spell checking. I tested with the French version of the document
you linked and instead of getting the messages in Portuguese (as expected
since I was using the Portuguese UI), I got the messages in French :)

 

Hope this helps ;)

Cheers,
Pedro



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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Updater improvements

[Robinson Tryon]

Cloph - Thoughts?

On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 3:22 AM, Robinson Tryon
 wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> We've chatted a bit about some of the shortcomings of the updater
> lately, and I've come up with a couple of suggestions for improving
> not only the updater, but parts of our build system and bug tracker as
> well.
>
> 1) Problem: It's hard to add new build hashes to the updater
>
> The updater mixes code and data in a single file, making it a bit
> tricky to add new build hashes.
>
> Suggestion: Factor-out the data from the updater and store it in a 
> database[1].
>
>
> 2) Problem: Build hashes don't automatically get entered into the updater
>
> Suggestion: Tweak the build process (perhaps during the upload step)
> so that the build hash is fed into the updater database automatically.
>
>
> 3) Problem: We have to manually update various websites whenever the
> current stable and latest versions change. For example:
>
> On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 4:25 AM, Christian Lohmaier
>  wrote:
>> 4.0 version has reached end-of-life, i.e. no fixes will be provided by
>> TDF anymore.
>>
>> If your site has links to 4.0 downloads, please consider changing that
>> to something else...We'd like to remove that version from the
>>  mirrornetwork soon...So in order to avoid [problems], please
>> update your nl-website.
>
> Suggestion: Keep track of the current stable and latest version in the
> updater db. Create some code snippets that can be reused by various NL
> sites, templates on the wiki, etc... so that they always display the
> right info.
>
>
> 4) Problem: The BSA needs to know the list of currently-supported
> versions of LibreOffice
>
> Suggestion: This information could be easily added to/queried from the
> updater database.
>
> ---
>
> So to sum up, my suggestion is that we store version information in a
> database such that it can be
> - Updated by the official build/upload process
> - Updated by the person(s) who picks the 'stable' build
> - Queried by the BSA
> - Queried by various websites that need the information
>
> Did I forget anything?
>
> Cheers,
> --R
>
> [1] Any database is fine, as long as it's not the one that the wikis
> lock up each night... :P
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [Math] Clicking in Formular does not let the cursor change its position in the main part

[Robert Großkopf]

Hello Thomas,

> On Sonntag, 8. Dezember 2013 19:41 Robert Großkopf wrote:
>> have tested it with the formula. When I click in the main window I
>> see the marked part of the formula with a dotted rectangle. The
>> cursor in the input-box has jumped to the begin of this marked
>> part.
> 
> O.K. Thank you very much for testing :)
> 
>> Can't see any buggy behavior there.
> 
> Could you mention your OS/architecture/graphics card or chip/driver 
> here as well?

Here OpenSUSE 12.3, 64bit rpm Linux - graphics Card? Something from
Intel, don't know.

I have now tested with enabled "Experimental Features". The cursor goes
to the main window and you could edit the values in the main window.
Could be that this is the difference, as Regina wrote. Without these
feature you could only edit in the special input-area.

Regards

Robert
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Bibisect - Separate Profile

[Terrence Enger]

On Mon, 2013-12-02 at 21:04 +0100, Mirosław Zalewski wrote:
> Dnia 2013-12-02, o godz. 11:36:31
> Joel Madero  napisał(a):
> 
> > Can someone who knows how to run bibisect with a separate profile
> > please update the wiki :) 
> 
> Sorry, but it's faster to write here:
> 
> ./opt/program/soffice -env:UserInstallation=file:///tmp/soffice-bisect
> 
> Will create soffice-bisect profile directory in /tmp/ (will get
> automatically removed during next machine boot).
> If you want to start fresh for each bisect iteration, you can add git
> commit hash to directory name. Something like that (should be in one
> line):
> 
> ./opt/program/soffice 
> -env:UserInstallation=file:///tmp/soffice-bisect-$(git rev-parse HEAD)

Fooey.  I was looking for this, and the answer was waiting in my
in-box!  Sigh.

I have copied this into the wiki

so that my next (or others') search will be less frustrating.

Thank you,  Mirosław.

Terry,


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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [Math] Clicking in Formular does not let the cursor change its position in the main part

[Regina Henschel]

Hi Thomas,

Thomas Hackert schrieb:

Hello @ll,
as I am testing http://manual-test.libreoffice.org/runtests/run/57/env/642/ in 
MozTrap right now,
I followed the following instruction there

1. * Open a new Formula document using File > New > Formula
 * Enter formula values in the input frame as: lllint from{1}
to{x} (1 over sum from {k > j} (d_(j)+arccot(nroot{32 }X^{11})))+1
there should be the mathematical formula you input displayed in the
main area
2. Click on around the rendered formula symbol in the main area
the cursor jumps to the corresponding character in the input frame
3. ...

. If I copy this formular to Math, then click on the formular in the
main window, I cannot see the cursor "jumping" to its corresponding
position ... :( Is it only on my system? Or can anyone else with a
different OS/architecture confirm this? Or is this an error in the
test description?


Do you have enabled "experimental feature"? Then you get the new way to 
enter formulas and that way has no formula cursor.


Kind regards
Regina

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] LO's spellchecker shows grammar errors/hints in English, though UI is in German?

[Robert Großkopf]

Hello Thomas,
> 
>> Original OpenSUSE LO 4.1.1.2 shows the message with a black
>> background and, could be, in black color on the same system.
> 
> "could be"? Does it mean, you only see a black "bar" there?

Yes, only a black bar. If there is is any information in this bar it is
perfecly hidden for me. But it is the "unstable repository" from
OpenSUSE where I have got this version from ...

Robert
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [Math] Clicking in Formular does not let the cursor change its position in the main part

[Thomas Hackert]

Hello Robert, *,
On Sonntag, 8. Dezember 2013 19:41 Robert Großkopf wrote:
> have tested it with the formula. When I click in the main window I
> see the marked part of the formula with a dotted rectangle. The
> cursor in the input-box has jumped to the begin of this marked
> part.

O.K. Thank you very much for testing :)

> Can't see any buggy behavior there.

Could you mention your OS/architecture/graphics card or chip/driver 
here as well?
TIA
Thomas.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] LO's spellchecker shows grammar errors/hints in English, though UI is in German?

[Thomas Hackert]

Hello Robert, *,
On Sonntag, 8. Dezember 2013 19:33 Robert Großkopf wrote:
>> do you really not see this yellow backgrounded message below
>> "Text language"?
> 
> It could be the color is a combination with the windowmaker you
> use. Here the background is in white color.

ah, O.K. Thank you for your information :)

> I have opened your document and see, when the grammatical
> correction will come at
> « Microsoft Windows, Mac OS X and GNU/Linux (Debian, Ubuntu,
> Fedora, Mandriva, Suse, ...). »
> "Extra space before the period?"
> with a white background directly under "Textlanguage" - the
> language is greyed out at this moment.

O.K.

> I see this with a UI German - isn't translated.
> 
> I have tested with LO 4.1.3.2 and German langpack under OpenSUSE
> 12.3 64bit rpm.

O.K.

> Original OpenSUSE LO 4.1.1.2 shows the message with a black
> background and, could be, in black color on the same system.

"could be"? Does it mean, you only see a black "bar" there?
Thanks for testing and confirming
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [Math] Clicking in Formular does not let the cursor change its position in the main part

[Robert Großkopf]

Hello Thomas,

have tested it with the formula. When I click in the main window I see
the marked part of the formula with a dotted rectangle. The cursor in
the input-box has jumped to the begin of this marked part.

Can't see any buggy behavior there.

Regards

Robert
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Updater improvements

[Robinson Tryon]

On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Rob Snelders  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Would it be an idea to use mirrorbrain for this?
> That has already the supported versions. We could patch it so it can give us
> the files in JSON/XML-format rather then create our own little program for
> this. The downside is that mirrorbrain hasn't had a release in 1,5 years. So
> I don't know how active that is.

Building the info into mirrorbrain is interesting. I assume that
mirrorbrain is regarded as critical infra, which would be useful here
because we'd be adding it as a dependency to the BSA, updater, wiki,
and a few other websites.

> Where is the check.php stored. It would be usefull to see what format that
> gives the data to LibreOffice to see what it expects.
>

http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/website/tree/check.php?h=update

Cheers,
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] LO's spellchecker shows grammar errors/hints in English, though UI is in German?

[Robert Großkopf]

Hello Thomas,
> 
> do you really not see this yellow backgrounded message below "Text 
> language"?

It could be the color is a combination with the windowmaker you use.
Here the background is in white color.

I have opened your document and see, when the grammatical correction
will come at
« Microsoft Windows, Mac OS X and GNU/Linux (Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora,
Mandriva, Suse, ...). »
"Extra space before the period?"
with a white background directly under "Textlanguage" - the language is
greyed out at this moment.

I see this with a UI German - isn't translated.

I have tested with LO 4.1.3.2 and German langpack under OpenSUSE 12.3
64bit rpm.

Original OpenSUSE LO 4.1.1.2 shows the message with a black background
and, could be, in black color on the same system.

Regards

Robert
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [Math] Clicking in Formular does not let the cursor change its position in the main part

[Thomas Hackert]

Hello Joren, *,
On Sonntag, 8. Dezember 2013 18:48 Joren DC wrote:
> Thomas Hackert schreef op 8/12/13 18:24:
>> . If I copy this formular to Math, then click on the formular in
>> the main window, I cannot see the cursor "jumping" to its
>> corresponding position ... :( Is it only on my system? Or can
>> anyone else with a different OS/architecture confirm this? Or is
>> this an error in the test description?
> Tested using:
> Mac OSX 10.9 with LibreOffice Version: 4.2.0.0.beta2 Build ID:
> 1a27be92e320f97c20d581a69ef1c8b99ea9885d
> I see a blinking cursor in the edit-window, nicely where I clicked
> in the main window.

O.K. Thanks for testing :)

> So I can not reproduce this behavior.

So some strange GNU/Linux bug, graphics chip/card bug, or ... ;?
Thanks for your answer
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] "Echap" in MozTrap's test case #40?

[Thomas Hackert]

Hello Sophie, *,
On Sonntag, 8. Dezember 2013 18:34 Sophie wrote:
> Le 08/12/2013 18:00, Thomas Hackert a écrit :
>> in test case #40
>> (http://manual-test.libreoffice.org/manage/caseversion/899/) I
>> found the following text: 
>> 2.
>> Select the menu Slide Show > Slide show.
>> Once played exit the presentation using Echap
>> 
>> 
>> This should be
>> 
>> 
>> Select the menu Slide Show > Slide show.
>> Once played exit the presentation using Escape
>> 
>> , or am I wrong here ;? As far as I found out, "Echap" is the
>> French word for "Esc" ... ;)
> 
> You're completely right, sorry for this. I've read it several time
> without noticing it was French.

:)

> Thanks a lot for pointing it I'll correct it for the RC.

Thank you very much :)

> Also not that I've done a mistake in another test where I wrote
> Ctrl+F5 to play the slideshow when it should be Shift+F5, I've
> already mark this test as wrong in Moztrap.

You mean this test, where the tester should start the slide show 
with 
+(http://manual-test.libreoffice.org/results/cases/_detail/1164/)? 
+ 
would start with the current slide. If you want the tester to start 
the slide show with the first slide, you only need  to start is 
(see the menu "Slide Show", where you see the shortcuts behind each 
menu item) ... ;)
Thanks for your work in MozTrap
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] LO's spellchecker shows grammar errors/hints in English, though UI is in German?

[Thomas Hackert]

Hello Pedro, *;
On Sonntag, 8. Dezember 2013 18:28 Pedro wrote:
> Thomas Hackert wrote
>> I prefer to reuse Manfred's posted link here:
>> 
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B0EPDeSWKu9xN1RnVk5ObW9QcWs/edit?pli=1.
>> I do not know, how this is called correctly, but I mean this
>> yellow "line" with the text "Possible grammatical error..." in it
>> ... ;)
> 
> I don't get any yellow line when using the standard check. It only

do you really not see this yellow backgrounded message below "Text 
language"? Would you be so kind to download the test document from 
MozTrap 
(http://manual-test.libreoffice.org/media/attachments/2013/01/15/language-test-en.odt)
 then, and test it again, please? If I use the German UI, I 
see a couple of blue underlines in the document, and if I start the 
spellchecker and it reaches the first one ["SUSE, ..."] it will say 
"Extra space before the period?" in this yellowish "bar" ... ;)

> shows in Language Tool under 4.2 Beta 2. I think you have detected
> a bug in the Extension, not in LibreOffice.

I have not installed Language Tool, so ... ;)

> Thomas Hackert wrote
>> Do you mean, you tested it with the UI in Portuguese or the
>> document?
> 
> I tested an English US document with a Portuguese UI, as you
> described in the steps to reproduce the bug...

O.K.

> I just re-tested under LO 4.2 Beta 2 and I can confirm that the
> messages are in English even if the UI is in Portuguese.

O.K.

> Again I think this is a bug in Language Tool. If you have Language
> Tool remove it and test again if you see the yellow bar

And again: I have not installed Language Tool (neither as an 
extension in LO nor as their standalone package). Other ideas?
Thank you for your answer
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [Math] Clicking in Formular does not let the cursor change its position in the main part

[Joren DC]

Thomas Hackert schreef op 8/12/13 18:24:
> . If I copy this formular to Math, then click on the formular in the 
> main window, I cannot see the cursor "jumping" to its corresponding 
> position ... :( Is it only on my system? Or can anyone else with a 
> different OS/architecture confirm this? Or is this an error in the 
> test description?
Tested using:
Mac OSX 10.9 with LibreOffice Version: 4.2.0.0.beta2 Build ID:
1a27be92e320f97c20d581a69ef1c8b99ea9885d
I see a blinking cursor in the edit-window, nicely where I clicked in
the main window.

So I can not reproduce this behavior.

Kind regards,
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] "Echap" in MozTrap's test case #40?

[Sophie]

Hi Thomas,
Le 08/12/2013 18:00, Thomas Hackert a écrit :
> Hello Sophie, @ll,
> in test case #40 (http://manual-test.libreoffice.org/manage/caseversion/899/) 
> I found the following 
> text:
> 
> 2. 
> Select the menu Slide Show > Slide show.
> Once played exit the presentation using Echap
> 
> 
> This should be
> 
> 
> Select the menu Slide Show > Slide show.
> Once played exit the presentation using Escape
> 
> , or am I wrong here ;? As far as I found out, "Echap" is the French 
> word for "Esc" ... ;)

You're completely right, sorry for this. I've read it several time
without noticing it was French. Thanks a lot for pointing it I'll
correct it for the RC.
Also not that I've done a mistake in another test where I wrote Ctrl+F5
to play the slideshow when it should be Shift+F5, I've already mark this
test as wrong in Moztrap.

Cheers
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] LO's spellchecker shows grammar errors/hints in English, though UI is in German?

[Pedro]

Hi Thomas


Thomas Hackert wrote
> I prefer to reuse Manfred's posted link here: 
> https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B0EPDeSWKu9xN1RnVk5ObW9QcWs/edit?pli=1. 
> I do not know, how this is called correctly, but I mean this yellow 
> "line" with the text "Possible grammatical error..." in it ... ;)

I don't get any yellow line when using the standard check. It only shows in
Language Tool under 4.2 Beta 2. I think you have detected a bug in the
Extension, not in LibreOffice.


Thomas Hackert wrote
> Do you mean, you tested it with the UI in Portuguese or the 
> document?

I tested an English US document with a Portuguese UI, as you described in
the steps to reproduce the bug...
I just re-tested under LO 4.2 Beta 2 and I can confirm that the messages are
in English even if the UI is in Portuguese.

Again I think this is a bug in Language Tool. If you have Language Tool
remove it and test again if you see the yellow bar

Cheers,
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[Libreoffice-qa] [Math] Clicking in Formular does not let the cursor change its position in the main part

[Thomas Hackert]

Hello @ll,
as I am testing http://manual-test.libreoffice.org/runtests/run/57/env/642/ in 
MozTrap right now, 
I followed the following instruction there

1. * Open a new Formula document using File > New > Formula
* Enter formula values in the input frame as: lllint from{1} 
to{x} (1 over sum from {k > j} (d_(j)+arccot(nroot{32 }X^{11})))+1
there should be the mathematical formula you input displayed in the 
main area
2. Click on around the rendered formula symbol in the main area
the cursor jumps to the corresponding character in the input frame
3. ...

. If I copy this formular to Math, then click on the formular in the 
main window, I cannot see the cursor "jumping" to its corresponding 
position ... :( Is it only on my system? Or can anyone else with a 
different OS/architecture confirm this? Or is this an error in the 
test description?

Discovered with
LO Version: 4.2.0.0.beta2 Build-ID: 
1a27be92e320f97c20d581a69ef1c8b99ea9885d, but also with LO Version: 
4.1.3.2 Build ID: 70feb7d99726f064edab4605a8ab840c50ec57a (both with 
installed Germanophone lang- as well as helppack)
OS: Debian Testing AMD64

Thanks for testing
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Updater improvements

[Rob Snelders]

Hi,

Would it be an idea to use mirrorbrain for this?
That has already the supported versions. We could patch it so it can 
give us the files in JSON/XML-format rather then create our own little 
program for this. The downside is that mirrorbrain hasn't had a release 
in 1,5 years. So I don't know how active that is.


Where is the check.php stored. It would be usefull to see what format 
that gives the data to LibreOffice to see what it expects.


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On 06-12-13 11:02, Rob Snelders wrote:


So to sum up, my suggestion is that we store version information in a
database such that it can be
- Updated by the official build/upload process
- Updated by the person(s) who picks the 'stable' build
- Queried by the BSA
- Queried by various websites that need the information

Did I forget anything?



I don't think so. But can we create some XML/JSON API against that? Then
anybody can read that information in any system. It is no confidential
information so we can just let anyone read this and they can use that info.
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[Libreoffice-qa] "Echap" in MozTrap's test case #40?

[Thomas Hackert]

Hello Sophie, @ll,
in test case #40 (http://manual-test.libreoffice.org/manage/caseversion/899/) I 
found the following 
text:

2. 
Select the menu Slide Show > Slide show.
Once played exit the presentation using Echap


This should be


Select the menu Slide Show > Slide show.
Once played exit the presentation using Escape

, or am I wrong here ;? As far as I found out, "Echap" is the French 
word for "Esc" ... ;)
Sorry for the inconvenience
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] LO's spellchecker shows grammar errors/hints in English, though UI is in German?

[Thomas Hackert]

Hello Pedro, *,
On Sonntag, 8. Dezember 2013 13:03 Pedro wrote:
> Thomas Hackert wrote
>> 4. When you reach a grammatical error / an unclear position in
>> your text, look at this yellowish bar below "Text language"
>> 
>> It should be in English.
> 
> Which yellowish bar? Can you link to an image (preferably in
> Nabble)?

I prefer to reuse Manfred's posted link here: 
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B0EPDeSWKu9xN1RnVk5ObW9QcWs/edit?pli=1. 
I do not know, how this is called correctly, but I mean this yellow 
"line" with the text "Possible grammatical error..." in it ... ;)

> I tested this in Portuguese using LO 4.1.4.1 and everything is
> working as expected.

Do you mean, you tested it with the UI in Portuguese or the 
document?
Thanks for testing anyway
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Grammar check does not work, when there is no spellcheck in a document

[Thomas Hackert]

Hello Pedro, *,
On Sonntag, 8. Dezember 2013 13:17 Pedro wrote:
> Thomas Hackert wrote
>> "sigh" ... It seems, either I expect too unexpected things from
>> LO, or the grammar check is not usable at all ... :( But if I
>> switch my UI settings to en-US, I can write something completely
>> rubbish, and the grammar checker will not find it, if all words
>> are written correctly ... :(
> 
> You should notice that the message says "The spellcheck is
> complete"

No, because ... When I use LO with a Germanophone UI, open (or 
create) a text document with grammatical errors in it, I see a 
yellowish "bar" (not sure, if a dev would call it that way ... ;) ) 
with text in it. So there seems to be some kind of (rudimentary?) 
grammar check inside LO. On my system, there is also a "Check 
grammar" field to mark, if I start the spellchecker ... ;)

> There is no grammar correction. That is one of the
> (main?) reasons people prefer MS Word ;)

Oh, it is on my system :) I get a yellowish question/hint (depending 
on the type of "error", which is found) ... ;)

> In any case using Word 2003, the final sentence after grammar
> correction is "Does he know that he has wrong?" which is much
> better than "Does he known, that he has wrong." but still isn't
> correct English...

O.K.

> So, the answer is "B) grammar check is not usable at all" only
> spell checking is performed (which means that the menu option name
> "Spelling and Grammar" is misleading)

O.K. Thanks for your answer
Thomas.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Grammar check does not work, when there is no spellcheck in a document

[Pedro]

Hi Manfred


Manfred J. Krause wrote
> Sample: LibreOfficeDev 4.2.0.0.beta2 / LanguageTool 2.3
> https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B0EPDeSWKu9xN1RnVk5ObW9QcWs/edit

Interesting. Language Tool 2.3  does find that error using LO 4.2 Beta2 but
not when using LO 4.1.4.1...

In any case "Does he knew, that he has wrong." is incorrect in English... It
changed an incorrect tense of the verb with another incorrect tense...

On a separate note, if after installing Language Tool 2.3 you disable Java,
you won't be able to start LO again unless you choose to enable it. Choosing
No will put LO in an endless recovery loop.

Cheers,
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Grammar check does not work, when there is no spellcheck in a document

[Pedro]

Hi Andras


Andras Timar-3 wrote
> The built-in English grammar checker (Lightproof) does not know many
> rules. It does not mean, that "B) grammar check is not usable at all".
> It works as designed. 

I'm sorry but I couldn't avoid laughing at this...

Works as designed? Yes, this is true. It is indeed *usable* but USELESS.
Sorry for picking the wrong word.

>From a functionality point of view this is the same as saying that "LO does
NOT provide a Grammar checker for en_US. You should get an Extension if you
require that Extra feature". This means that the menu option IS misleading.

I am aware that the Language tools are not developed by TDF but then to be
perfectly honest TDF should not gloat that "Writer has all the features you
need from a modern, full-featured word processing and desktop publishing
tool" (I had never noticed the DTP part... LOL)
A Grammar checker is a MAJOR feature of a word processor. Again, playing
with words, it is indeed *included* except that it is useless...

Of course this is not a TDF/LO only problem. Still it is misleading and
disappointing...

Oh, and Language Tool didn't find any errors on that sentence...

Just my 2 cents...



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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Grammar check does not work, when there is no spellcheck in a document

[Manfred J. Krause]

Hi,

On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 2:06 PM, Andras Timar wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 1:17 PM, Pedro wrote:
>> Thomas Hackert wrote
>>> Hi again,
>>> "sigh" ... It seems, either I expect too unexpected things from LO,
>>> or the grammar check is not usable at all ... :( But if I switch my
>>> UI settings to en-US, I can write something completely rubbish, and
>>> the grammar checker will not find it, if all words are written
>>> correctly ... :(
>>
>> You should notice that the message says "The spellcheck is complete"
>> There is no grammar correction. That is one of the (main?) reasons people
>> prefer MS Word ;)
>>
>> In any case using Word 2003, the final sentence after grammar correction is
>> "Does he know that he has wrong?" which is much better than "Does he known,
>> that he has wrong." but still isn't correct English...
>>
>> So, the answer is "B) grammar check is not usable at all" only spell
>> checking is performed (which means that the menu option name "Spelling and
>> Grammar" is misleading)
>>
>
> The built-in English grammar checker (Lightproof) does not know many
> rules. It does not mean, that "B) grammar check is not usable at all".
> It works as designed. Spell checkers and grammar checkers are UNO
> components, so users don't have to use the standard, built-in ones,
> but it is possible to use alternatives. Examples include Zemberek
> (Turkish spell checker), Voikko (Finnish spell checker), Duden
> Korrektor (German), and LanguageTool (grammar checker for many
> languages).


Sample: LibreOfficeDev 4.2.0.0.beta2 / LanguageTool 2.3
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B0EPDeSWKu9xN1RnVk5ObW9QcWs/edit

Have a nice day -
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Grammar check does not work, when there is no spellcheck in a document

[Andras Timar]

On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 1:17 PM, Pedro  wrote:
> Thomas Hackert wrote
>> Hi again,
>> "sigh" ... It seems, either I expect too unexpected things from LO,
>> or the grammar check is not usable at all ... :( But if I switch my
>> UI settings to en-US, I can write something completely rubbish, and
>> the grammar checker will not find it, if all words are written
>> correctly ... :(
>
> You should notice that the message says "The spellcheck is complete"
> There is no grammar correction. That is one of the (main?) reasons people
> prefer MS Word ;)
>
> In any case using Word 2003, the final sentence after grammar correction is
> "Does he know that he has wrong?" which is much better than "Does he known,
> that he has wrong." but still isn't correct English...
>
> So, the answer is "B) grammar check is not usable at all" only spell
> checking is performed (which means that the menu option name "Spelling and
> Grammar" is misleading)
>

The built-in English grammar checker (Lightproof) does not know many
rules. It does not mean, that "B) grammar check is not usable at all".
It works as designed. Spell checkers and grammar checkers are UNO
components, so users don't have to use the standard, built-in ones,
but it is possible to use alternatives. Examples include Zemberek
(Turkish spell checker), Voikko (Finnish spell checker), Duden
Korrektor (German), and LanguageTool (grammar checker for many
languages).

Cheers,
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Grammar check does not work, when there is no spellcheck in a document

[Pedro]

Hi Thomas


Thomas Hackert wrote
> Hi again,
> "sigh" ... It seems, either I expect too unexpected things from LO, 
> or the grammar check is not usable at all ... :( But if I switch my 
> UI settings to en-US, I can write something completely rubbish, and 
> the grammar checker will not find it, if all words are written 
> correctly ... :(

You should notice that the message says "The spellcheck is complete"
There is no grammar correction. That is one of the (main?) reasons people
prefer MS Word ;)

In any case using Word 2003, the final sentence after grammar correction is
"Does he know that he has wrong?" which is much better than "Does he known,
that he has wrong." but still isn't correct English...

So, the answer is "B) grammar check is not usable at all" only spell
checking is performed (which means that the menu option name "Spelling and
Grammar" is misleading)

Cheers,
Pedro



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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] LO's spellchecker shows grammar errors/hints in English, though UI is in German?

[Pedro]

Hi Thomas


Thomas Hackert wrote
> 4. When you reach a grammatical error / an unclear position in your 
> text, look at this yellowish bar below "Text language"
> 
> It should be in English.

Which yellowish bar? Can you link to an image (preferably in Nabble)?

I tested this in Portuguese using LO 4.1.4.1 and everything is working as
expected.

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[Libreoffice-qa] Grammar check does not work, when there is no spellcheck in a document

[Thomas Hackert]

Hi again,
"sigh" ... It seems, either I expect too unexpected things from LO, 
or the grammar check is not usable at all ... :( But if I switch my 
UI settings to en-US, I can write something completely rubbish, and 
the grammar checker will not find it, if all words are written 
correctly ... :(

Steps to reproduce:
1. Start Writer
2. Check, if your UI language is set to "English (USA)" at "Tools – 
Options – Language Settings – Languages"
3. Enter e.g. "Does he known, that he has wrong." (/I/ would say, 
this sentence is utterly wrong, but I may be wrong here ... ;) ).
4. If you are using a different language than en-US on your system, 
you should see all words underlined as errors
5. Rightclick and choose "Set language for paragraph" to "English 
(USA)"
6. Set your cursor to the beginning of the line
7. Press  to start the spellchecker

On my system, I get the message

The spellcheck is complete.

.
I would expect, that the grammar check will mark "known" and "has" 
as (possible) error. What do you others think? Is this an expected 
behaviour? Am I completely wrong here?

LO: Version: 4.2.0.0.beta2 Build ID: 
1a27be92e320f97c20d581a69ef1c8b99ea9885d
OS: Debian Testing AMD64

Thanks for any comments
Thomas.

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[Libreoffice-qa] LO's spellchecker shows grammar errors/hints in English, though UI is in German?

[Thomas Hackert]

Good morning @ll,
while testing QA in MozTrap, I found the following:

If you open a document in your language (in my case: German), press 
 to start the spellchecker, you will get these grammar errors / 
hints in German (which is, what I have expected), when the 
spellchecker finds an error / unclear passage. If I open a document 
in en-US (but still with my UI settings set to my language), LO 
suddenly shows these messages in English. Is this intended or is it 
a bug? I would expect these messages in German, but maybe I am wrong 
here ... ;)

Steps to reproduce:
1. Start Writer
2. Either create a short document with some grammatical errors in 
your language, open an existing one or download one (for example one 
of the great documents from odfauthors.org :) )
3. Press  to spellcheck the document
4. When you reach a grammatical error / an unclear position in your 
text, look at this yellowish bar below "Text language"

It should be in English.

Discovered with:
LO: installed version Version: 4.1.3.2 Build ID: 
70feb7d99726f064edab4605a8ab840c50ec57a and parallel installed 
Version: 4.2.0.0.beta2 Build ID: 
1a27be92e320f97c20d581a69ef1c8b99ea9885d (both with installed 
Germanophone lang- as well as helppack)
OS: Debian Testing AMD64

It would be nice, if someone can check it with other languages, 
OS/architecture etc. as well :)
Thanks for testing
Thomas.

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