Re: [Libreoffice-qa] 4.3 Upgrade unusable!
Hi dE, *, On Thursday, May 1, 2014, dE de.tec...@gmail.com wrote: On 05/01/14 21:33, V Stuart Foote wrote: Hay, is 4.3 using QT for the Windows build? Or is GTK still in? Windows never used GTK for its UI, and neither does it use QT. It uses its own abstraction that hooks up into the native controls. ciao Christian ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] 4.3 Upgrade unusable!
Hi, I got a PM with a rtf file. I will comment on it I will enclose the quotes in # at the beginning and end 4. the vital [Ctrl][Sh] and for changing font size is not set up in any other WP. Enhancement request (trivial, maybe easyhack) Cannot find it in list found @ Tools-Customize-Keyboard I have gone on far too long about these basics. If you feel some sympathy with my assertion of the fundamental importance of these 3 points I will be happy to contribute other more detailed suggestions; otherwise I will have to struggle along with things as they are! Suggestions always welcome, but better to be discussed in public. I will keep it for now on the QA ML, but we might want to switch to the global user list Supporting the above does not exclude other options, but would require an easy to use /obvious choice (probably an addition to the menu bar) between say 5 (max) preset interfaces/views which cover some well thought out favoured compatibility setups, such as Classic, XP, Mac, Latest, plus Accessible. What is the difference between those? Aren't most of them the same. I could see Classic, Sidebar, Accessibility, where the latter one is invisible, as this is a 3rd party tool An option to change the colour scheme similar to the provided for the OS via Control Panel /Display would be excellent. Whats wrong with: Tools → Options → LibreOffice(Dev) → Appearence. Feel free to change anything here A few Detailed suggestions: Some default autocorrect actions could usefully be “improved” over Word’s, eg. Suppress this automatic capitalisation after a stop as the default, and prevent the automatic change of - to – by context (see also in para. 2 above); these are the two I find irritating; occasionally I find setting ‘’ and “” goes wrong when not used in the straightforward ways in this document. Maybe Options → AutoCorrectOptions ### “Improvements” such as transferring “Page Setup” to the Format menu as in LO would really be such ONLY IF they were also retained in the “default” location – having some actions accessible by different routes should not be considered a failure, but a logical requirement of the fallibility of our design process – not to mention user logic! ### Where was it? I only know it from Format -- Page Finally, we did think about a easier UI for the settings, but we can't force anyone to work at this (Regarding setup help at start of LibO) I hope I did cover the most important points and the email doesn't look crazy (Lot of format and paste) Yours, Florian ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
[Libreoffice-qa] 4.3 Upgrade unusable!
Regrettably have just upgraded from v 3.4 hoping for improvements and to include /add Presentations I find this last just doesn't seem to work even though offered, and the lead in to the basic S/S and WP have changed so much as to be unusable - I'm not prepared to relearn just to use an app I have used on and off for at least ten years! In the past I have found OO and LO easy to move to every time, but sadly no longer.Everyone now seems to believe that change for change's sake is the bees knees, but this makes use of so many things for us over-experienced oldies IMPOSSIBLE. I no longer have the patience or desire to be FORCED to alter my ways! DS ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] 4.3 Upgrade unusable!
Hi Derek, Sorry you are so challenged by what have been incremental improvements to the LibreOffice user interface and function. Fortunately, you are welcome to roll back to earlier releases more in line with your comfort level. Historical builds are vailable for direct download here: http://downloadarchive.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/old/ Please understand that as your use becomes further and further removed from the cadre of knowledgeable users your ability to obtain help or assistance with these older versions will degrade. And of course current developer support is restricted to the 4.3.0, 4.2.4 and for a little while longer the 4.1.6 release. Good luck. Stuart -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Libreoffice-qa-4-3-Upgrade-unusable-tp4107152p4107164.html Sent from the QA mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] 4.3 Upgrade unusable!
I'm sorry to hear about this. You are more than welcome to join our design team who is responsible for thinking through changes that are made (along with developers and QA team of course). We typically don't change just for change's sake - usually it's user feedback or some functionality that we are hoping to improve. Furthermore, if there are particular bugs that you wish to address please report them to our bug tracker. Again, apologies that you've found the new version to be a hassle. Upgrading from 3.4 to 4.3 is a big move and going to have a lot of changes - if you upgraded incrementally I guarantee it wouldn't have come to your surprise that things were changing. If you choose to discontinue using LibreOffice - well, I wish you the best in finding software which does not change over the years Best, Joel On 04/30/2014 03:53 AM, Derek Shoreman/tiscali wrote: Regrettably have just upgraded from v 3.4 hoping for improvements and to include /add Presentations I find this last just doesn't seem to work even though offered, and the lead in to the basic S/S and WP have changed so much as to be unusable - I'm not prepared to relearn just to use an app I have used on and off for at least ten years! In the past I have found OO and LO easy to move to every time, but sadly no longer.Everyone now seems to believe that change for change's sake is the bees knees, but this makes use of so many things for us over-experienced oldies IMPOSSIBLE. I no longer have the patience or desire to be FORCED to alter my ways! DS ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/ ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] 4.3 Upgrade unusable!
Hi, By the way, isn't 4.3 our master version? I also realized the changes... Cute, but you may change the BG color of the page-background ;) Liebe Grüße, / Yours, Florian Reisinger Am 01.05.2014 um 18:23 schrieb Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com: I'm sorry to hear about this. You are more than welcome to join our design team who is responsible for thinking through changes that are made (along with developers and QA team of course). We typically don't change just for change's sake - usually it's user feedback or some functionality that we are hoping to improve. Furthermore, if there are particular bugs that you wish to address please report them to our bug tracker. Again, apologies that you've found the new version to be a hassle. Upgrading from 3.4 to 4.3 is a big move and going to have a lot of changes - if you upgraded incrementally I guarantee it wouldn't have come to your surprise that things were changing. If you choose to discontinue using LibreOffice - well, I wish you the best in finding software which does not change over the years Best, Joel On 04/30/2014 03:53 AM, Derek Shoreman/tiscali wrote: Regrettably have just upgraded from v 3.4 hoping for improvements and to include /add Presentations I find this last just doesn't seem to work even though offered, and the lead in to the basic S/S and WP have changed so much as to be unusable - I'm not prepared to relearn just to use an app I have used on and off for at least ten years! In the past I have found OO and LO easy to move to every time, but sadly no longer.Everyone now seems to believe that change for change's sake is the bees knees, but this makes use of so many things for us over-experienced oldies IMPOSSIBLE. I no longer have the patience or desire to be FORCED to alter my ways! DS ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/ ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/ ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] 4.3 Upgrade unusable!
On 04/30/14 16:23, Derek Shoreman/tiscali wrote: Regrettably have just upgraded from v 3.4 hoping for improvements and to include /add Presentations I find this last just doesn't seem to work even though offered, and the lead in to the basic S/S and WP have changed so much as to be unusable - I'm not prepared to relearn just to use an app I have used on and off for at least ten years! In the past I have found OO and LO easy to move to every time, but sadly no longer.Everyone now seems to believe that change for change's sake is the bees knees, but this makes use of so many things for us over-experienced oldies IMPOSSIBLE. I no longer have the patience or desire to be FORCED to alter my ways! DS ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/ Oh, don't worry! There'll be a fork! You know trinity, mate etc... Looks like I'm about to be hit soon... stuck on 4.1.4.2 ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] 4.3 Upgrade unusable!
On 05/01/14 21:33, V Stuart Foote wrote: Hi Derek, Sorry you are so challenged by what have been incremental improvements to the LibreOffice user interface and function. Fortunately, you are welcome to roll back to earlier releases more in line with your comfort level. Historical builds are vailable for direct download here: http://downloadarchive.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/old/ Please understand that as your use becomes further and further removed from the cadre of knowledgeable users your ability to obtain help or assistance with these older versions will degrade. And of course current developer support is restricted to the 4.3.0, 4.2.4 and for a little while longer the 4.1.6 release. Good luck. Stuart -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Libreoffice-qa-4-3-Upgrade-unusable-tp4107152p4107164.html Sent from the QA mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/ Hay, is 4.3 using QT for the Windows build? Or is GTK still in? ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
