[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 124835] Context toolbar make jumping ui
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124835 --- Comment #20 from Maxim Monastirsky --- (In reply to Thomas Lendo from comment #19) > I don't see any benefit in moving contextual toolbars into sidebar tabs for > users who don't use the sidebar during normal use. Popping sidebar vs. > popping toolbar -- what's better? Thomas: The discussion here was about users who *explicitly* enable the sidebar mode via View > UI > Sidebar, not about the "Standard Toolbar" mode. > Personal note 1: I move contextual toolbars into the bottom of the LibO UI > so that the content won't move up and down. That won't help. At least in Impress/Draw the zoom changes anyway. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 124835] Context toolbar make jumping ui
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124835 V Stuart Foote changed: What|Removed |Added CC||qui...@gmail.com --- Comment #18 from V Stuart Foote --- (In reply to andreas_k from comment #17) > Can someone give an example how to make new sidebar docks and add them or > first steh how to make them. See bug 91806 and unit test commits for our fledgling Sidebar controller API [1] Also, Andre Fischer (IBM) had laid out in Wiki programming details for developing against the Sidebar Deck/Content panels, including example toy panel widgets [2] And, some comment on using implementing Macro based sidebar content (requiring an UNO helper) in AOO Forum [3] @Tomaž, anything to add to help Andreas, not aware of anything written up internally for LibreOffice... =-refs-= [1] https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/16180/ [2] https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Sidebar_for_Developers [3] https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=62176 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 124835] Context toolbar make jumping ui
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124835 --- Comment #17 from andreas_k --- Can someone give an example how to make new sidebar docks and add them or first steh how to make them. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 124835] Context toolbar make jumping ui
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124835 --- Comment #16 from andreas_k --- +1 for maxim. There is context related stuff missing in sidebars this should be added to the sidebar. + one standard toolbar with context related stuff as long as the settings are not available in the sidebar like alignment, ... -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 124835] Context toolbar make jumping ui
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124835 --- Comment #15 from Maxim Monastirsky --- (In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #9) > @Maxim, Samuel -- any thoughts on comment 3, idea of pushing toolbars > activated as context onto a Sidebar content panel? Sorry, but I don't like this idea. IMHO everything which is in the sidebar by default, should be done in a "sidebar way" - meaning having dedicated and carefully designed panels/decks. The sidebar already deals with context-related stuff in its "Properties" deck - that what it was designed for, with panels for text, images, shapes etc. And likewise there should be panels for all other contexts (e.g. tables in Writer), not just as a generic "toolbar inside a sidebar container" kind solution. And bug 33223 is unrelated, because it talks about some customization possibility, while here we talk about the default sidebar behavior wrt contextual commands. So I agree with Andreas that the sidebar mode should consist of a standard toolbar (which also server as a place for customization, as the sidebar itself isn't and won't be customizable to the level of toolbars) + the sidebar, and no other context toolbars popping ever. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 124835] Context toolbar make jumping ui
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124835 V Stuart Foote changed: What|Removed |Added See Also||https://bugs.documentfounda ||tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12 ||5040 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 124835] Context toolbar make jumping ui
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124835 V Stuart Foote changed: What|Removed |Added See Also||https://bugs.documentfounda ||tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12 ||5021 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 124835] Context toolbar make jumping ui
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124835 --- Comment #14 from V Stuart Foote --- (In reply to andreas_k from comment #13) > Ok than l will do an single line notebookbar to replace the single line > toolbar. > Don't know that we need to replace the Single toolbar mode that Jay did with a Notebook bar--but it might be another MUFFIN to provide. > For the sidebar layout which contextual item isnt available in the sidebar? > I really like to bring all layouts in an good shape. No, if we are to adopt Single toolbar mode with a Sidebar deck to hold any context sensitive toolbars--they would need to go into a Content panel holding just the controls for the Toolbar as customized by user. We could not use an exiting Content panel--widgets positioned to different panels would be horrible UX. Rather, think here the Deck would contain the elements of what would otherwise pop-up in the activated context sensitive toolbar--but packed into a Content panel. Perhaps with a Tab bar button widget to toggle the behavior: 1.) show context sensitive Toolbar(s) as Toolbar, 2.) show context sensitive Toolbar(s) packed onto a Sidebar content panel (maintain use customizations of selection and sequence) when activated. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 124835] Context toolbar make jumping ui
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124835 --- Comment #13 from andreas_k --- Ok than l will do an single line notebookbar to replace the single line toolbar. For the sidebar layout which contextual item isnt available in the sidebar? I really like to bring all layouts in an good shape. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 124835] Context toolbar make jumping ui
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124835 --- Comment #12 from Heiko Tietze --- (In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #3) > Back to the "dynamic" nature of the Sidebar GUI--as in bug 33223 That's one solution, okay as a generic approach. (The unclear UI layout feels bad but there is no clear showstopper that comes in my mind.) (In reply to andreas_k from comment #11) > - user want's only one toolbar (because otherwise they use standard toolbar) > - "standard" toolbar AND contextual toolbars has to fit into one toolbar, This solution is the closest to the idea of single toolbars. (In reply to andreas_k from comment #11) > - Everything can be done with notebookbar... Yes, and we remove the single toolbar. Initial effort might be a bit higher but the maintenance later is the same. My preferred solution. (In reply to andreas_k from comment #11) > Sidebar Toolbar layout > ... > -> deactivate all contextual toolbars show only standard toolbar The sidebar is a different topic. Unless we go the 'sidebar as toolbar container' way. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 124835] Context toolbar make jumping ui
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124835 --- Comment #11 from andreas_k --- Single Line Toolbar layout == - user want's only one toolbar (cause otherwise they use standard toolbar) - "standard" toolbar AND contextual toolbars has to fit into one toolbar, cause there is no sidebar activated where contextual stuff is located. - as everything is more compact than in standard toolbar you need separate contextual .xml files. - Everything can be done with notebookbar, but I prefer .xml files cause they are way more easy to maintain. == -> make an separate toolbar folder for single line toolbar than you can edit all contextual toolbars complete separate from standard toolbar layout Sidebar Toolbar layout == - Sidebar is activated as all contextual stuff is available via the sidebar (and most of the time the sidebar is better, has more space, than an toolbar), no contextual toolbar is needed - One standard toolbar for general stuff == -> deactivate all contextual toolbars show only standard toolbar -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 124835] Context toolbar make jumping ui
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124835 --- Comment #10 from andreas_k --- Created attachment 150961 --> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=150961&action=edit Single Line Toolbar - contextual attached the single line tollbar layout at text context and graphic context. You see the behaviour is complete different. from my point of view there is an guide for sidebar toolbar layout and single line toolbar layout that should be followed. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 124835] Context toolbar make jumping ui
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124835 V Stuart Foote changed: What|Removed |Added CC||momonas...@gmail.com, ||s.mehrbr...@gmail.com --- Comment #9 from V Stuart Foote --- @Maxim, Samuel -- any thoughts on comment 3, idea of pushing toolbars activated as context onto a Sidebar content panel? User choice to Pop-up toolbars as now but provide option for context activated toolbar's buttons to show in Sidebar. Goal of holding the GUI and document zoom stable. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 124835] Context toolbar make jumping ui
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124835 --- Comment #8 from V Stuart Foote --- (In reply to andreas_k from comment #7) > and single line toolbar and sidebar don't have any connection to notebookbar. Sure they do, they're all MUFFIN (Glade XML as opposed to .src) Just some elements arrived earlier than others... the NB flavors just the latest. Some old (2015) discussion... https://smehrbrodt.wordpress.com/2015/11/24/improving-the-toolbars-in-libreoffice/ and see bug 92218, bug 101249, bug 106470 for how things evolved. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 124835] Context toolbar make jumping ui
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124835 --- Comment #7 from andreas_k --- and single line toolbar and sidebar don't have any connection to notebookbar. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 124835] Context toolbar make jumping ui
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124835 --- Comment #6 from andreas_k --- > One solution might be that context activated toolbars for the Single and > Sidebar modes are placed onto a dynamic deck in the Sidebar--just wrap the > action buttons onto a content panel? All I want to say is that there is no strategy like in the Standard Toolbar where you have one Standard Toolbar line and the second Toolbar is contextual. If you have Single line Toolbar you may define one area that is always the same and than contextual. Sidebar Layout is for me easier. All contextual stuff is in the sidebar and in the single toolbar line there are some generic stuff. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 124835] Context toolbar make jumping ui
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124835 --- Comment #5 from V Stuart Foote --- (In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #4) > > Back to the "dynamic" nature of the Sidebar GUI--as in bug 33223 > bug 33223#c23 Rats, wrong cmnt in bug 33223, what I wanted was #c16 for Maxim's note about ability to hold toolbars in content panels, and to allow their customization. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 124835] Context toolbar make jumping ui
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124835 --- Comment #4 from V Stuart Foote --- > Back to the "dynamic" nature of the Sidebar GUI--as in bug 33223 bug 33223#c23 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 124835] Context toolbar make jumping ui
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124835 V Stuart Foote changed: What|Removed |Added See Also||https://bugs.documentfounda ||tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33 ||223 --- Comment #3 from V Stuart Foote --- (In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #2) > We should make the standard layout as best as possible and not introduce > special treatments for the various MUFFINs. OK. But any reason we could not push toolbars onto the Sidebar as a new Toolbar deck? When needed for context--rather than a popup toolbar (shifting UI eleemnts)--buttons of the toolbar would wrap into a content panel. With some suitable handling of splitbutton actions. Back to the "dynamic" nature of the Sidebar GUI--as in bug 33223 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 124835] Context toolbar make jumping ui
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124835 Heiko Tietze changed: What|Removed |Added CC||libreoffice-ux-advise@lists ||.freedesktop.org --- Comment #2 from Heiko Tietze --- We should make the standard layout as best as possible and not introduce special treatments for the various MUFFINs. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
