subject:"\[Libreoffice\-ux\-advise\] \[Bug 81475\] Meta\: enhancing Writer's standard and formatting toolbars"

[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 81475] [META] Enhancing Writer's standard and formatting toolbars

2016-10-04 Thread bugzilla-daemon

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81475

Yousuf Philips (jay)  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

   Keywords|needsUXEval |
 CC|libreoffice-ux-advise@lists |
   |.freedesktop.org|
   See Also||https://bugs.documentfounda
   ||tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85
   ||594,
   ||https://bugs.documentfounda
   ||tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=84
   ||909
  Alias||Writer-Toolbars

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 81475] [META] Enhancing Writer's standard and formatting toolbars

2016-09-16 Thread bugzilla-daemon

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81475

Heiko Tietze  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

  Component|LibreOffice |Writer

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 81475] [META] Enhancing Writer's standard and formatting toolbars

2016-08-26 Thread bugzilla-daemon

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81475

kompilainenn <79045_79...@mail.ru> changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Depends on||101748


Referenced Bugs:

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=101748
[Bug 101748] Add the ability to customize the drop-down list for select Fonts
on toolbar Formatting
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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 81475] [META] Enhancing Writer's standard and formatting toolbars

2016-08-08 Thread bugzilla-daemon

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81475

Yousuf (Jay) Philips  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Depends on||101390


Referenced Bugs:

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=101390
[Bug 101390] Enable .uno:ArrowsToolbox and its entries in Writer and Calc
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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 81475] [META] Enhancing Writer's standard and formatting toolbars

2016-06-29 Thread bugzilla-daemon

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81475
Bug 81475 depends on bug 89646, which changed state.

Bug 89646 Summary: Line split/group button not available in Writer/Calc
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=89646

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|NEW |RESOLVED
 Resolution|--- |FIXED

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 81475] [META] Enhancing Writer's standard and formatting toolbars

2016-06-07 Thread bugzilla-daemon

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81475

--- Comment #65 from Commit Notification 
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Yousuf Philips committed a patch related to this issue.
It has been pushed to "libreoffice-5-2":

http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=8cb088d71c4ccda318e298dbbb425b72731f9c05=libreoffice-5-2

tdf#81475 Minor tweaks to writer toolbars

It will be available in 5.2.0.1.

The patch should be included in the daily builds available at
http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/ in the next 24-48 hours. More
information about daily builds can be found at:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Testing_Daily_Builds

Affected users are encouraged to test the fix and report feedback.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 81475] [META] Enhancing Writer's standard and formatting toolbars

2016-06-07 Thread bugzilla-daemon

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81475

Commit Notification  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Whiteboard|target:4.4.0 target:5.0.0   |target:4.4.0 target:5.0.0
   |target:4.4.0.0.beta2|target:4.4.0.0.beta2
   |target:4.4.0.2 target:5.1.0 |target:4.4.0.2 target:5.1.0
   |target:5.0.0.0.beta2|target:5.0.0.0.beta2
   |target:5.2.0 target:5.1.0.1 |target:5.2.0 target:5.1.0.1
   |target:5.3.0|target:5.3.0 target:5.2.0.1

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 81475] [META] Enhancing Writer's standard and formatting toolbars

2016-06-06 Thread bugzilla-daemon

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81475

Commit Notification  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Whiteboard|target:4.4.0 target:5.0.0   |target:4.4.0 target:5.0.0
   |target:4.4.0.0.beta2|target:4.4.0.0.beta2
   |target:4.4.0.2 target:5.1.0 |target:4.4.0.2 target:5.1.0
   |target:5.0.0.0.beta2|target:5.0.0.0.beta2
   |target:5.2.0 target:5.1.0.1 |target:5.2.0 target:5.1.0.1
   ||target:5.3.0

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 81475] [META] Enhancing Writer's standard and formatting toolbars

2016-06-06 Thread bugzilla-daemon

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81475

--- Comment #64 from Commit Notification 
 ---
Yousuf Philips committed a patch related to this issue.
It has been pushed to "master":

http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=33459c1b7c76f909ccdbaa707ef27d7e3be80550

tdf#81475 Minor tweaks to writer toolbars

It will be available in 5.3.0.

The patch should be included in the daily builds available at
http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/ in the next 24-48 hours. More
information about daily builds can be found at:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Testing_Daily_Builds

Affected users are encouraged to test the fix and report feedback.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 81475] Meta: enhancing Writer's standard and formatting toolbars

2016-01-25 Thread bugzilla-daemon

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81475
Bug 81475 depends on bug 86678, which changed state.

Bug 86678 Summary: TOOLBAR: Underlined letters in new drop downs not working
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=86678

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|NEW |RESOLVED
 Resolution|--- |DUPLICATE

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 81475] Meta: enhancing Writer's standard and formatting toolbars

2015-12-08 Thread bugzilla-daemon

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81475

Commit Notification  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Whiteboard|target:4.4.0 target:5.0.0   |target:4.4.0 target:5.0.0
   |target:4.4.0.0.beta2|target:4.4.0.0.beta2
   |target:4.4.0.2 target:5.1.0 |target:4.4.0.2 target:5.1.0
   |target:5.0.0.0.beta2|target:5.0.0.0.beta2
   |target:5.2.0|target:5.2.0 target:5.1.0.1

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 81475] Meta: enhancing Writer's standard and formatting toolbars

2015-12-08 Thread bugzilla-daemon

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81475

--- Comment #63 from Commit Notification 
 ---
Yousuf Philips committed a patch related to this issue.
It has been pushed to "libreoffice-5-1":

http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=cbff71864a02674e9b7eba756aa3f881e39b5c27=libreoffice-5-1

tdf#81475 Improvements to writer's toolbars

It will be available in 5.1.0.1.

The patch should be included in the daily builds available at
http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/ in the next 24-48 hours. More
information about daily builds can be found at:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Testing_Daily_Builds

Affected users are encouraged to test the fix and report feedback.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 81475] Meta: enhancing Writer's standard and formatting toolbars

2015-12-07 Thread bugzilla-daemon

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81475

Commit Notification  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Whiteboard|target:4.4.0 target:5.0.0   |target:4.4.0 target:5.0.0
   |target:4.4.0.0.beta2|target:4.4.0.0.beta2
   |target:4.4.0.2 target:5.1.0 |target:4.4.0.2 target:5.1.0
   |target:5.0.0.0.beta2|target:5.0.0.0.beta2
   ||target:5.2.0

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 81475] Meta: enhancing Writer's standard and formatting toolbars

2015-12-07 Thread bugzilla-daemon

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81475

--- Comment #62 from Commit Notification 
 ---
Yousuf Philips committed a patch related to this issue.
It has been pushed to "master":

http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=bd7f0b0ba3391f3049cb3f2d7b70493a05362316

tdf#81475 Improvements to writer's toolbars

It will be available in 5.2.0.

The patch should be included in the daily builds available at
http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/ in the next 24-48 hours. More
information about daily builds can be found at:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Testing_Daily_Builds

Affected users are encouraged to test the fix and report feedback.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 81475] Meta: enhancing Writer's standard and formatting toolbars

2015-10-26 Thread bugzilla-daemon

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81475

--- Comment #61 from Commit Notification 
 ---
Yousuf Philips committed a patch related to this issue.
It has been pushed to "master":

http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=167f10f846b58fd5a35d48a96fcec2d50c832fc6

tdf#81475 Improvements to writer's table toolbar

It will be available in 5.1.0.

The patch should be included in the daily builds available at
http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/ in the next 24-48 hours. More
information about daily builds can be found at:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Testing_Daily_Builds

Affected users are encouraged to test the fix and report feedback.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 81475] Meta: enhancing Writer's standard and formatting toolbars

2015-09-15 Thread bugzilla-daemon

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81475
Bug 81475 depends on bug 86862, which changed state.

Bug 86862 Summary: WRITER WEB: Horizontal line uno command
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=86862

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|NEW |RESOLVED
 Resolution|--- |WORKSFORME

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 81475] Meta: enhancing Writer's standard and formatting toolbars

2015-08-22 Thread bugzilla-daemon

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81475
Bug 81475 depends on bug 84277, which changed state.

Bug 84277 Summary: TOOLBAR: Invisible separator
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=84277

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|NEW |RESOLVED
 Resolution|--- |FIXED

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 81475] Meta: enhancing Writer's standard and formatting toolbars

2015-08-14 Thread bugzilla-daemon

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81475
Bug 81475 depends on bug 84277, which changed state.

Bug 84277 Summary: TOOLBAR: Invisible separator
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=84277

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|RESOLVED|NEW
 Resolution|WONTFIX |---

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 81475] Meta: enhancing Writer's standard and formatting toolbars

2015-08-13 Thread bugzilla-daemon

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81475
Bug 81475 depends on bug 84277, which changed state.

Bug 84277 Summary: TOOLBAR: Invisible separator
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=84277

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|NEW |RESOLVED
 Resolution|--- |WONTFIX

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 81475] Meta: enhancing Writer's standard and formatting toolbars

2015-08-05 Thread bugzilla-daemon

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81475
Bug 81475 depends on bug 86678, which changed state.

Bug 86678 Summary: TOOLBAR: Underlined letters in new drop downs not working
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=86678

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|RESOLVED|NEW
 Resolution|WORKSFORME  |---

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 81475] Meta: enhancing Writer's standard and formatting toolbars

2015-06-23 Thread bugzilla-daemon

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81475
Bug 81475 depends on bug 86678, which changed state.

Bug 86678 Summary: TOOLBAR: Underlined letters in new drop downs not working
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=86678

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|NEW |RESOLVED
 Resolution|--- |WORKSFORME

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 81475] Meta: enhancing Writer's standard and formatting toolbars

2015-06-07 Thread bugzilla-daemon

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81475

--- Comment #60 from Commit Notification 
libreoffice-comm...@lists.freedesktop.org ---
Yousuf Philips committed a patch related to this issue.
It has been pushed to libreoffice-5-0:

http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=9d03c6a52deb5ad877e1637d5faccea9233bdbc2h=libreoffice-5-0

tdf#81475 Another round of tweaks to Writer's various toolbars

It will be available in 5.0.0.0.beta2.

The patch should be included in the daily builds available at
http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/ in the next 24-48 hours. More
information about daily builds can be found at:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Testing_Daily_Builds
Affected users are encouraged to test the fix and report feedback.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 81475] Meta: enhancing Writer's standard and formatting toolbars

2015-06-07 Thread bugzilla-daemon

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81475

--- Comment #59 from Commit Notification 
libreoffice-comm...@lists.freedesktop.org ---
Yousuf Philips committed a patch related to this issue.
It has been pushed to master:

http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=0fd01e681e1c5886be3909cc3d7eb66cc62705f3

tdf#81475 Another round of tweaks to Writer's various toolbars

It will be available in 5.1.0.

The patch should be included in the daily builds available at
http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/ in the next 24-48 hours. More
information about daily builds can be found at:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Testing_Daily_Builds
Affected users are encouraged to test the fix and report feedback.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 81475] Meta: enhancing Writer's standard and formatting toolbars

2015-05-31 Thread bugzilla-daemon

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81475

--- Comment #58 from Commit Notification 
libreoffice-comm...@lists.freedesktop.org ---
Yousuf Philips committed a patch related to this issue.
It has been pushed to libreoffice-5-0:

http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=caef2a4f7649bc7bddbefa7693d9c451758fb896h=libreoffice-5-0

tdf#81475 Additional work on the formatting and draw toolbar

It will be available in 5.0.0.0.beta2.

The patch should be included in the daily builds available at
http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/ in the next 24-48 hours. More
information about daily builds can be found at:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Testing_Daily_Builds
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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 81475] Meta: enhancing Writer's standard and formatting toolbars

2015-05-25 Thread bugzilla-daemon

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81475

Commit Notification libreoffice-comm...@lists.freedesktop.org changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Whiteboard|target:4.4.0 target:5.0.0   |target:4.4.0 target:5.0.0
   |target:4.4.0.0.beta2|target:4.4.0.0.beta2
   |target:4.4.0.2 target:5.1.0 |target:4.4.0.2 target:5.1.0
   ||target:5.0.0.0.beta2

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 81475] Meta: enhancing Writer's standard and formatting toolbars

2015-05-25 Thread bugzilla-daemon

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81475

--- Comment #56 from Commit Notification 
libreoffice-comm...@lists.freedesktop.org ---
Yousuf Philips committed a patch related to this issue.
It has been pushed to libreoffice-5-0:

http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=79ebc1b02ede836626e1df0a09e8960aba06aff3h=libreoffice-5-0

tdf#81475 Additional improvements to Writer's toolbars

It will be available in 5.0.0.0.beta2.

The patch should be included in the daily builds available at
http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/ in the next 24-48 hours. More
information about daily builds can be found at:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Testing_Daily_Builds
Affected users are encouraged to test the fix and report feedback.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 81475] Meta: enhancing Writer's standard and formatting toolbars

2015-05-22 Thread bugzilla-daemon

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81475

Commit Notification libreoffice-comm...@lists.freedesktop.org changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Whiteboard|target:4.4.0 target:4.5.0   |target:4.4.0 target:4.5.0
   |target:4.4.0.0.beta2|target:4.4.0.0.beta2
   |target:4.4.0.2  |target:4.4.0.2 target:5.0.0

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 81475] Meta: enhancing Writer's standard and formatting toolbars

2015-05-22 Thread bugzilla-daemon

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81475

--- Comment #55 from Commit Notification 
libreoffice-comm...@lists.freedesktop.org ---
Yousuf Philips committed a patch related to this issue.
It has been pushed to master:

http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=89f7a5670ae0b21c8a80f73d27b5bc1181021373

tdf#81475 Additional improvements to Writer's toolbars

It will be available in 5.0.0.

The patch should be included in the daily builds available at
http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/ in the next 24-48 hours. More
information about daily builds can be found at:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Testing_Daily_Builds
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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 81475] Meta: enhancing Writer's standard and formatting toolbars

2015-05-22 Thread bugzilla-daemon

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81475

Adolfo Jayme f...@libreoffice.org changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Whiteboard|target:4.4.0 target:4.5.0   |target:4.4.0 target:5.0.0
   |target:4.4.0.0.beta2|target:4.4.0.0.beta2
   |target:4.4.0.2 target:5.0.0 |target:4.4.0.2 target:5.1.0

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 81475] Meta: enhancing Writer's standard and formatting toolbars

2015-04-09 Thread bugzilla-daemon

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81475

--- Comment #54 from Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com ---
I think that page break styles shouldnt be added to the drop down. You can add
a button for 'Insert Break' by customizing the toolbar and adding the 'Manual
Break' entry found in the 'Insert' category. It doesnt have an associated icon,
so you'll have to put one that suits your needs, if you dont like seeing text.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 81475] Meta: enhancing Writer's standard and formatting toolbars

2015-04-07 Thread bugzilla-daemon

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81475

--- Comment #51 from Timur gti...@gmail.com ---
(In reply to Jay Philips from comment #5)
 'Insert Breaks/Marks' group button - A group button encompassing all the
 various breaks (line, column, page [.uno:InsertPagebreak]), hyphens
 (non-breaking [.uno:InsertHardHyphen], optional [.uno:InsertSoftHyphen]),
 and spaces (non-breaking [.uno:InsertNonBreakingSpace]). The main button
 will be insert page break as its the most used of these entries. The last
 entry of the group will be for 'Manual Break' (.uno:InsertBreak), as the
 dialog is access ~99% of the time through the menu, while other entries are
 accessed 75 to 99 percent by the keyboard shortcut. One of the goals of
 having this as a default toolbar button is to encourage users to use page
 breaks rather than using the enter key to move to the following page.
 
Jay, if I understand well, you're still speaking about single page break
button? It exists now and inserts page break with some logic: if the page was
Default Style, then the next one is also Default Style, if the page was Left,
then the next one is Right. 
But, for example, I frequently use page break with First page, so that I get my
first page header and footer.
I suggest page break button be drop-down button where there will be also be
Styles, like page break with Default Style, with First page, with Landscape,
with Right page, with Left page.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 81475] Meta: enhancing Writer's standard and formatting toolbars

2015-03-24 Thread bugzilla-daemon

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81475

--- Comment #50 from Commit Notification 
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tdf#81475 Fix missing space in standard toolbar and rearranged other toolbars

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 81475] Meta: enhancing Writer's standard and formatting toolbars

2015-03-23 Thread bugzilla-daemon

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81475

--- Comment #49 from Commit Notification 
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tdf#81475 added/removed/rearranged buttons from various toolbars

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 81475] Meta: enhancing Writer's standard and formatting toolbars

2015-02-27 Thread bugzilla-daemon

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81475

Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Depends on||89734

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 81475] Meta: enhancing Writer's standard and formatting toolbars

2015-02-27 Thread bugzilla-daemon

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81475

--- Comment #48 from Commit Notification 
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tdf#81475 Unhiding of entries in the standard and formatting toolbars

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 81475] Meta: enhancing Writer's standard and formatting toolbars

2015-01-10 Thread bugzilla-daemon

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81475

--- Comment #46 from Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com ---
(In reply to Vladislav from comment #44)
 It is good to have statistics proving that styles are rarely used compared
 to fonts changing -- see Step 1b by Jay Philips and his comment that
 concept of styles are foreign to many users.
 
 However, this might be a mistake to follow this logic.

The removal of the styles and formatting button in the toolbar in Step 1b does
not eliminate the ability to set styles and access the styles and formatting
dialog, as these two are possible through the style drop down menu in the
toolbar. The elimination of the button was based on OOo stats that showed it
was rarely used and most users didnt click the button to access the dialog.

My statement that The concept of styles are foreign to many users was in
defense of retaining the font name drop down which Mirek wanted to eliminate
when he said I would propose to either get rid of the Font Name dropdown or
at least condense it into a drop-down menu with an icon.

 Consider that there are other mechanisms of imposing good practices to
 users. IMHO, the one proposed in Pages is very effective, see
 http://macmost.com/using-styles-in-pages.html It simply apply changes of
 font to a style, not the selected text. So simple.

Yes iWork's implementation of style management is quite interesting but that
wont necessarily impose good practices on users, as users could ignore
clicking the 'Update' button, but would likely make non-style users grasp the
concept faster. With iWork, all formatting is done through the sidebar, but
with LibreOffice, you have a formatting in both the toolbar and sidebar, so
many toolbar users simply ignore the sidebar.

 P.S. an important change would be making special paste of unformatted text
 the default option for text. This means no information about size and font
 should be copied (yet, styles like em., ital., bold, scripts should be).

I have suggested another paste special option for retaining character styles in
bug 83102.

(In reply to Michael Meeks from comment #45)
 So - I'm not in the UX team - but I 100% agree; we should be
 enthusiastically encouraging the use of styles - left/right =) the fact
 people don't know what they are is (IMHO) the fault of the UI in large part
 ;-)

I totally agree that we need to encourage users to use styles and that the UI
is the largest problem behind adoption. Bug 73071 has asked that the style drop
down be added to the sidebar, but unfortunately it hasnt been done yet.

 I'd love to have a better style selector, nice, big previews of styles
 etc. to help people create better documents.

I have submitted enhancements to get a good style selector as a tab in the
sidebar (bug 86039, mockup in attachment 109138) and have also suggested
getting styles in the context menu (bug 85940) as direct formatting options
were removed from there. The design team has discussed ways to improve styles
and we are looking into them, including having it as a GSoC project.

 If we've removed the button
 that pops-up the (admittedly shockingly ugly) style selector that (to me) is
 a shame =)

The button has been removed from the toolbar, but is visible by default as a
button in the sidebar. The style selector is no longer a pop-up, it is a
permanent tab in the sidebar.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 81475] Meta: enhancing Writer's standard and formatting toolbars

2015-01-08 Thread bugzilla-daemon

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81475

--- Comment #44 from Vladislav olu...@gmail.com ---
About Styles and Formatting

It is good to have statistics proving that styles are rarely used compared to
fonts changing -- see Step 1b by Jay Philips and his comment that concept of
styles are foreign to many users.

However, this might be a mistake to follow this logic.

Consider that there are other mechanisms of imposing good practices to users.
IMHO, the one proposed in Pages is very effective, see
http://macmost.com/using-styles-in-pages.html It simply apply changes of font
to a style, not the selected text. So simple.

Also, most users create few content, while few users work on collaborative
10-100 pages long documents, i.e. create a lot of content. Speaking for the
later users, we are annoyed by terrible Frankenstein-like formatting. We do
need a better toolbar!

P.S. an important change would be making special paste of unformatted text the
default option for text. This means no information about size and font should
be copied (yet, styles like em., ital., bold, scripts should be).

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 81475] Meta: enhancing Writer's standard and formatting toolbars

2015-01-08 Thread bugzilla-daemon

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81475

--- Comment #45 from Michael Meeks michael.me...@collabora.com ---
 About Styles and Formatting
 It is good to have statistics proving that styles are rarely used compared to
 fonts changing -- see Step 1b by Jay Philips and his comment that concept of
 styles are foreign to many users.
 However, this might be a mistake to follow this logic.

So - I'm not in the UX team - but I 100% agree; we should be enthusiastically
encouraging the use of styles - left/right =) the fact people don't know what
they are is (IMHO) the fault of the UI in large part ;-) I'd love to have a
better style selector, nice, big previews of styles etc. to help people create
better documents. If we've removed the button that pops-up the (admittedly
shockingly ugly) style selector that (to me) is a shame =)

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 81475] Meta: enhancing Writer's standard and formatting toolbars

2015-01-07 Thread bugzilla-daemon

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81475

--- Comment #43 from Commit Notification 
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Yousuf Philips committed a patch related to this issue.
It has been pushed to libreoffice-4-4:

http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=72abe12705c9c8fdf82ad48697e9301133d5ecbch=libreoffice-4-4

fdo#81475 addition of 'Add Caption' button to table toolbar (4.4)

It will be available in 4.4.0.2.

The patch should be included in the daily builds available at
http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/ in the next 24-48 hours. More
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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 81475] Meta: enhancing Writer's standard and formatting toolbars

2015-01-05 Thread bugzilla-daemon

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81475

--- Comment #41 from Commit Notification 
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Yousuf Philips committed a patch related to this issue.
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http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=bc4210772aebbbc91dc10b11090086b6143a9dc5

fdo#81475 Improvements to writer web standard toolbar

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 81475] Meta: enhancing Writer's standard and formatting toolbars

2015-01-05 Thread bugzilla-daemon

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81475

--- Comment #42 from Commit Notification 
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fdo#81475 rearrangement of writer's frame toolbar (4.4)

It will be available in 4.4.0.2.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 81475] Meta: enhancing Writer's standard and formatting toolbars

2015-01-05 Thread bugzilla-daemon

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81475

Commit Notification libreoffice-comm...@lists.freedesktop.org changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Whiteboard|target:4.4.0 target:4.5.0   |target:4.4.0 target:4.5.0
   |target:4.4.0.0.beta2|target:4.4.0.0.beta2
   ||target:4.4.0.2

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 81475] Meta: enhancing Writer's standard and formatting toolbars

2014-12-23 Thread bugzilla-daemon

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81475

--- Comment #39 from Commit Notification 
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fdo#81475 addition of 'Add Caption' button to table toolbar

It will be available in 4.5.0.

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http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/ in the next 24-48 hours. More
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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 81475] Meta: enhancing Writer's standard and formatting toolbars

2014-12-23 Thread bugzilla-daemon

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81475

Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com changed:

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 Depends on||84350

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 81475] Meta: enhancing Writer's standard and formatting toolbars

2014-12-21 Thread bugzilla-daemon

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81475

V Stuart Foote vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Depends on||87239

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 81475] Meta: enhancing Writer's standard and formatting toolbars

2014-12-18 Thread bugzilla-daemon

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81475
Bug 81475 depends on bug 87362, which changed state.

Bug 87362 Summary: TOOLBAR: New image toolbar
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87362

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|RESOLVED|UNCONFIRMED
 Resolution|WONTFIX |---

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 81475] Meta: enhancing Writer's standard and formatting toolbars

2014-12-16 Thread bugzilla-daemon

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81475

Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com changed:

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 Depends on||87362

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 81475] Meta: enhancing Writer's standard and formatting toolbars

2014-12-07 Thread bugzilla-daemon

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81475

--- Comment #37 from Commit Notification 
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Maxim Monastirsky committed a patch related to this issue.
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Revert fdo#81475 Writer doesn't have ParaspaceIncrease/Decrease commands

It will be available in 4.5.0.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 81475] Meta: enhancing Writer's standard and formatting toolbars

2014-12-07 Thread bugzilla-daemon

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81475

Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com changed:

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 Depends on||87079

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 81475] Meta: enhancing Writer's standard and formatting toolbars

2014-12-02 Thread bugzilla-daemon

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81475

--- Comment #34 from Commit Notification 
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Maxim Monastirsky committed a patch related to this issue.
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fdo#81475 Writer doesn't have ParaspaceIncrease/Decrease commands

It will be available in 4.4.0.0.beta2.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 81475] Meta: enhancing Writer's standard and formatting toolbars

2014-12-02 Thread bugzilla-daemon

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81475

Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com changed:

   What|Removed |Added

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 81475] Meta: enhancing Writer's standard and formatting toolbars

2014-11-29 Thread bugzilla-daemon

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81475

Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com changed:

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2014-11-29 Thread bugzilla-daemon

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81475

Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com changed:

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 81475] Meta: enhancing Writer's standard and formatting toolbars

2014-11-27 Thread bugzilla-daemon

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81475

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 81475] Meta: enhancing Writer's standard and formatting toolbars

2014-11-27 Thread bugzilla-daemon

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 81475] Meta: enhancing Writer's standard and formatting toolbars

2014-11-27 Thread bugzilla-daemon

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81475

--- Comment #32 from Commit Notification 
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Yousuf Philips committed a patch related to this issue.
It has been pushed to libreoffice-4-4:

http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=de39032e3877dcbe41f11d3d62d1ed1b4cc2b841h=libreoffice-4-4

fdo#81475 rearrange, add and remove entries from toolbars

It will be available in 4.4.0.0.beta2.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 81475] Meta: enhancing Writer's standard and formatting toolbars

2014-11-27 Thread bugzilla-daemon

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81475

--- Comment #31 from Commit Notification 
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Yousuf Philips committed a patch related to this issue.
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fdo#81475 rearrange, add and remove entries from toolbars

It will be available in 4.5.0.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 81475] Meta: enhancing Writer's standard and formatting toolbars

2014-11-24 Thread bugzilla-daemon

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81475

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 81475] Meta: enhancing Writer's standard and formatting toolbars

2014-11-21 Thread bugzilla-daemon

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81475

Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com changed:

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 81475] Meta: enhancing Writer's standard and formatting toolbars

2014-11-18 Thread bugzilla-daemon

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81475

--- Comment #30 from Commit Notification 
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Yousuf Philips committed a patch related to this issue.
It has been pushed to master:

http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=2a29fa312cb71616ca90d71eb61c80d54e1cf086

fdo#81475 moving alignment buttons back to original place

It will be available in 4.4.0.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 81475] Meta: enhancing Writer's standard and formatting toolbars

2014-11-10 Thread bugzilla-daemon

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81475

Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com changed:

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 81475] Meta: enhancing Writer's standard and formatting toolbars

2014-11-05 Thread bugzilla-daemon

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Timur gti...@gmail.com changed:

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 81475] Meta: enhancing Writer's standard and formatting toolbars

2014-11-04 Thread bugzilla-daemon

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81475
Bug 81475 depends on bug 83076, which changed state.

Bug 83076 Summary: TOOLBAR: Adding of Line Spacing group button to formatting 
toolbar
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=83076

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 Resolution|--- |FIXED

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 81475] Meta: enhancing Writer's standard and formatting toolbars

2014-11-03 Thread bugzilla-daemon

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81475

--- Comment #28 from Commit Notification 
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Yousuf Philips committed a patch related to this issue.
It has been pushed to master:

http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=10c979462263c50ca5d19debf61205ff2de12ffa

fdo#81475 - Rearrangement some buttons and add some hidden ones

It will be available in 4.4.0.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 81475] Meta: enhancing Writer's standard and formatting toolbars

2014-11-03 Thread bugzilla-daemon

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81475

Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com changed:

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 81475] Meta: enhancing Writer's standard and formatting toolbars

2014-10-29 Thread bugzilla-daemon

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81475

--- Comment #27 from Timur gti...@gmail.com ---
I checked LO master today, and I can see as follows:

- 'New' icon is there in both Writer and Calc, while 'Styles and Formatting' is
not visible in Writer and is visible in Calc. I think it should be the same in
both, I prefer to have it visible.

- In Writer, 'Insert Comment' and 'Insert Footnote' icons are already there by
default, but case effects are not. Can you please CREATE icons for them and ADD
them to Formatting toolbar (as not visible until drop-down buttons)? 
I suggest icons with stylized letters: Sc (sentense case), sc (small), AC (all
capitals), CW (capitalize - every - words), tC (toggle case) or maybe Abc, abc,
ABC, AaBbCc (well, somehow..), aBC. 
If yes, please backport to 4.3. 
Should I open a new bug?

- Calc is now in Bug 85594, so, I'll write there.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 81475] Meta: enhancing Writer's standard and formatting toolbars

2014-10-28 Thread bugzilla-daemon

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81475
Bug 81475 depends on bug 80542, which changed state.

Bug 80542 Summary: UI: toolbar tooltip for insert image is titled 'from file'
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=80542

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|NEW |RESOLVED
 Resolution|--- |FIXED

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 81475] Meta: enhancing Writer's standard and formatting toolbars

2014-10-22 Thread bugzilla-daemon

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81475

Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com changed:

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 81475] Meta: enhancing Writer's standard and formatting toolbars

2014-10-17 Thread bugzilla-daemon

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81475
Bug 81475 depends on bug 84629, which changed state.

Bug 84629 Summary: TOOLBAR: Inclusion of new tango icons for newly added 
toolbar buttons
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=84629

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|NEW |RESOLVED
 Resolution|--- |FIXED

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 81475] Meta: enhancing Writer's standard and formatting toolbars

2014-10-05 Thread bugzilla-daemon

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81475

--- Comment #25 from Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com ---
As drop down buttons wont be arriving for the 4.4 release, the formatting
toolbar drop down placeholder entries (superscript, shadow) needed to be
removed so more useful buttons could be added (line spacing). Also color and
list/indent buttons were rearranged for better placement.

Patch has been submitted for this - https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/11817/

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 81475] Meta: enhancing Writer's standard and formatting toolbars

2014-10-04 Thread bugzilla-daemon

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81475

Norbert X nrb...@gmail.com changed:

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--- Comment #23 from Norbert X nrb...@gmail.com ---
Let me add something about toolbars. I think this is a good place.
I think that dynamic appearance/disappearance of toolbars is not a good idea.

For me it is comfortable to place toolbars once and use them when I want to use
them, not contextually (current object- or action- dependent).
But now in 4.3.2 toolbars disappear even if they have Lock Toolbar Position
option checked. Please enable static toolbar positions. 

Popping toolbars may cause attention switch and may lower document author's
productivity. Otherwise you will create another stupid, ugly, non-usable
Ribbon/MFI. I think that many LibreOffice users would be happy with MS Office
2003-like interface.

Users do not need bells and whistles, they need comfortable and customizable
interface. This interface should allow users to place and pin (lock) toolbars
as they want and use keyboard shortcuts for more productivity (for example, the
fastest way to add Cross-Reference is to press Alt-ie).

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 81475] Meta: enhancing Writer's standard and formatting toolbars

2014-10-04 Thread bugzilla-daemon

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81475

--- Comment #24 from Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com ---
@Norbert - you can just enable the toolbar. I highly disagree that it should
not be by default context specific. There are too many options to just have all
the toolbars activated and in 3+ years on the project I've never heard anyone
else suggest that we should do so.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 81475] Meta: enhancing Writer's standard and formatting toolbars

2014-09-21 Thread bugzilla-daemon

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81475

--- Comment #21 from Commit Notification 
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Samuel Mehrbrodt committed a patch related to this issue.
It has been pushed to master:

http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=b59c5ace4b7213ffd62495d0c0e5b6411f5071be

Related fdo#81475 Improve toolbar tooltips in Writer standard toolbar



The patch should be included in the daily builds available at
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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 81475] Meta: enhancing Writer's standard and formatting toolbars

2014-09-21 Thread bugzilla-daemon

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81475

Bug 81475 depends on bug 82822, which changed state.

Bug 82822 Summary: TOOLBAR: Addition of 'insert image' button to standard 
toolbar
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=82822

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|NEW |RESOLVED
 Resolution|--- |FIXED

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 81475] Meta: enhancing Writer's standard and formatting toolbars

2014-09-03 Thread bugzilla-daemon

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81475

Bug 81475 depends on bug 82969, which changed state.

Bug 82969 Summary: MENU: Addition of AutoSpellcheck to Tools menu
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=82969

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|NEW |RESOLVED
 Resolution|--- |FIXED

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 81475] Meta: enhancing Writer's standard and formatting toolbars

2014-08-29 Thread bugzilla-daemon

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81475

--- Comment #18 from Mikeyy - L10n HR libreoff...@miho.im ---
Created attachment 105415
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My setup

I don't agree with kicking out some icons, since I use them regularry, but if
most of people don't use it, I'll just have to re-add them into toolbars.
Tried using sidebar, but to many things missing. It's just unfinished product.

Attached you can find my current setup.
In Calc I added Save As, (OM) = WRAP , verital aligment and number formating
0.0 (thousand separator and 2 decimal places, not sure why this isn't on by
default since it's probably one of most used buttons in calc for me). Increased
button size and placed it all in 1 row.

In Writer I just added Save As and kicked out buttons I know I will never or
very rarely use.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 81475] Meta: enhancing Writer's standard and formatting toolbars

2014-08-29 Thread bugzilla-daemon

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81475

Bug 81475 depends on bug 80538, which changed state.

Bug 80538 Summary: UI: Replacing 'Edit File' icon with an infobar for clarity
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=80538

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|NEW |RESOLVED
 Resolution|--- |FIXED

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 81475] Meta: enhancing Writer's standard and formatting toolbars

2014-08-25 Thread bugzilla-daemon

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81475

Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Depends on||83076

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 81475] Meta: enhancing Writer's standard and formatting toolbars

2014-08-22 Thread bugzilla-daemon

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81475

--- Comment #16 from Heiko Tietze heiko.tie...@user-prompt.com ---
First of all I have to admit that I didn't read all of the comments. Sorry if
something has been discussed before.

We run a study on LO standard toolbar last year. Quick wins can be found here:
http://user-prompt.com/conclusions-of-the-libreoffice-icon-test/ 

The findings support Jay's basic idea. But I would be careful with removing or
adding too much stuff from the standard toolbar because the position of an icon
is quite important too. That means some icons serve as whitespace even when
it's never used. For instance, if Save was the left most function it could be
misinterpreted as save and close (it was common practice to have Exit in the
toolbar, erstwhile).

All toolbars are customizable. Right click somewhere and chose the option from
the context menu. Neither this dialog is usable nor it's obvious how to access
it. But Jay's first issue could be solved right now. So how's about a better
usability for the personalization of toolbars?

Finally I'd like to advice caution using personal preferences. For instance,
the Navigator might not be used by many people but I love it. So I'd suggest to
add Search into this sidebar - and most users wouldn't find the function
anymore. All ideas have to get confirmed by a larger group of standard users.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 81475] Meta: enhancing Writer's standard and formatting toolbars

2014-08-22 Thread bugzilla-daemon

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81475

Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com changed:

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 Depends on||82969

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 81475] Meta: enhancing Writer's standard and formatting toolbars

2014-08-19 Thread bugzilla-daemon

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Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com changed:

   What|Removed |Added

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 81475] Meta: enhancing Writer's standard and formatting toolbars

2014-08-19 Thread bugzilla-daemon

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81475

--- Comment #15 from Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com ---
(In reply to comment #13)
 Changing the design of something does not constitute forcing people to do
 anything. This mentality is an all-too-prevalent enemy of design. It may be
 a bit of a cliche by now, but design is not some kind of polish you put on
 software after you've made it to make it look nice--design is how it works,
 so if we can't make decisions about how LibreOffice works, then we can't
 expect it to be designed well. We shouldn't rely on the expectation that
 each user will paint their own ui--most people can't be bothered to do
 that. Most people don't use LibreOffice primarily for the ability to change
 the chrome--they use it to be productive. The sidebar is a much more natural
 way of laying out tools, which I would bet increases overall productivity. 

Presently, there are two choices to get access to the gallery. The first is the
old way of the gallery appearing between the toolbars and the ruler and the
second is the new way of the gallery appearing in the sidebar. By eliminating
one of these two choices, would this not limit a user's choice. For a user at
1024x768, when the gallery appears under the toolbar 
http://i.imgur.com/1I7K3sp.png , he/she can view their document at 100% and
can see view more images than when the gallery appears in the sidebar. If the
sidebar gallery appeared at 1024x768  http://i.imgur.com/YeXodS8.png , it
would cause a significant portion of the document to be not viewable unless the
view is adjusted with the scrollbars or the zoom level. Yes most users dont
bother adjusting the default UI, but we do allow the users that do, the ability
to move toolbars to any of the four sides, so in the same spirit, we should
allow users to have the gallery at the top or in the sidebar.

 I'm just saying that putting common things into harder-to-access group 
 drop-downs to make room for lesser-used commands goes against the quick 
 access nature of toolbars.
 
 This is important. A toolbar with many items takes just as long to look
 through as a menu. 

Images are easier to recognize then words, especially if they are easy to see
(bug 82309) and easy to understand (bug 82272), and when toolbar buttons are
organized in a good manner representing a collection of features, they will be
quick to navigate. LibO has grouped similar features like bold, italics, and
underline together and in a similar manner, i had suggested the grouping of
various insert buttons like table, image, footnote, comment, etc. together. The
drop downs do not make it harder to access, as entries underneath the main
entry are very related to the main entry. This is no different than the
submenus in the context menu for styles or line spacing. Without this quick
access, users would have to always jump into the dialog boxes to get these
basic features lacking from the toolbar.

 In order to move forward, we need to: 
 (1) Recognize and agree that Writer's toolbars have a fixable problem.
 (2) (a) Create a whiteboard to work on this problem collaboratively, or
 (2) (b) Create different proposals separately
 (3) Decide on a solution
 (4) Get some developers to work on it.
 
 This bug report is great for addressing (1), but we can't move into part (2)
 without first completing part (1), which is answering the question: Are the
 standard and formatting toolbars in need of a redesign?
 
 I would say they are.

Yes this bug was mainly setup to address step 1 and demonstrate how it can be
fixed, so that the necessary individuals/teams could take these findings and
finalized it into a solution. I am willing to work with whomever can move this
proposal forward and believe step 4 can easily be achieved, as i can submit
patches to add/remove all non-group button entries and will find a developer to
implement the group buttons.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 81475] Meta: enhancing Writer's standard and formatting toolbars

2014-08-13 Thread bugzilla-daemon

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81475

--- Comment #14 from Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com ---
Created attachment 104556
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IBM Symphony single toolbar line with standard and contextual toolbars

Hi Mirek,

(In reply to comment #12)
 Yes, but the font name drop-down is rarely used, which means it should
 either be removed from the toolbar and left to the sidebar or it should at
 least occupy less space (as a drop-down with an icon).

Well i guess that we'll have to disagree on how used the font name drop-down
is. You also have to take into consideration that styles arent highly used in
calc and impress, as there isnt a style drop down in the toolbar. Here are
responses about this issue from the ux mailing list.

Jean-Francois Nifenecker: Could you elaborate, please? When I see the people
around me (corporate environment, 400+ users) who don't use styles (most of
them, unfortunately), the font drop-down *is* used very often.

David: I really do get irritated with this argument about styles. Yes, they are
the right way and yes, we should use them all the time. But the real world
isn't
like that and a significant proportion, if not majority, of LO users just
don't get styles. Period. I use styles and have taught their use in offices
I've managed for many years. But for short 1 to 2 page documents it is
irrelevant whether users will be bothered about spending time styling their
documents. Please do not reduce the choice of users to use fonts and direct
formatting if they wish, and do not make it harder for them to do so.

 Spelling is an integral part of the Language menu under tools --
 spell-checking and grammar-checking are the only reasons to apply a language
 to parts of text. What I meant to say is that there's no need for a separate
 Spelling menu -- it would just duplicate the Language menu.

Well if you'd prefer to have 'Spelling and Grammar' and 'AutoSpellcheck'
underneath the Language submenu, then i'm fine with that, though i think it
maybe confusing for some users. The reason for suggesting the spelling menu was
that i didnt want to suggest cluttering up the main Tools menu with an
'AutoSpellcheck' entry, but maybe it would be worth it so users didnt have to
go digging through a submenu for it.

 The thing is, we don't need to save space. We should keep all the common
 options as accessible for users as possible and relegate all the lesser-used
 commands to the sidebar.

LibO has a plethora of useful features that can be brought forward to users, so
they dont have to go through menus, dialogs, and sidebars. And in order to
bring some of these features to the toolbar, space needs to be freed up.

 Button groups make things harder to access, and if the formatting toolbar is
 supposed to provide quick access to the most common commands, it should
 avoid them when possible.

Button groups do not make things harder to access, as we already have button
groups for open, new, paste, table, font color, highlight color, background
color, and all the shapes in the drawing toolbar. You could easily consider the
style, font name and font size a button group.

As an example, lets take my proposed 'Insert Internal Link' group button.
Instead of a user having to go into Insert  Footnote/Endnote and then the
dialog opens up and then them select 'Endnote' under type, they would click on
the down button in the group button and click the endnote entry. This is easier
access. This functionality isnt available in the sidebar as well.

 (Ideally, LibreOffice would be responsive and group buttons into drop-down
 menus when there is no room for them.)

It would be great if LibO was smart enough to do that, but as it isnt, we can
still help. :)

 A simple Find button is probably best, as it encompasses both search and
 navigation.

Presently there isnt a Find button available.

 The problem around panes being duplicated in the sidebar is still a hot
 topic now, but, generally, we should either promote one or the other, and
 since the sidebar has panes that aren't available individually, we should
 prefer the sidebar over the panes.

Yes i've seen the discussions around this issue and thought to comment on it,
but chose not to. Ultimately, i think users who use the sidebar would like the
panes in the sidebar, but users who dont, would prefer it the old way.

 Rather than buttons for individual panes, then, how about having a button
 for the sidebar?

I think it would be useful to have a sidebar/toolbar mode button that would
allow users to choose what they prefer to use. If they are in toolbar mode, it
works as it has always done. If they are in sidebar mode, only a single toolbar
line should be visible that primarily hosts the standard toolbar, and there
shouldnt be drawing, table, and find toolbars popping up at the bottom (similar
to how IBM Symphony had it).

 We have the same sidebar that Symphony had -- IBM donated the code to AOO
 and

[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 81475] Meta: enhancing Writer's standard and formatting toolbars

2014-08-10 Thread bugzilla-daemon

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81475

--- Comment #13 from Daniel Hulse simplecontr...@gmail.com ---
(In reply to comment #9)
 (In reply to comment #8)

 Also you will have users who will choose not to use the sidebar, so i dont
 think LibO should force them to do so.

Changing the design of something does not constitute forcing people to do
anything. This mentality is an all-too-prevalent enemy of design. It may be a
bit of a cliche by now, but design is not some kind of polish you put on
software after you've made it to make it look nice--design is how it works, so
if we can't make decisions about how LibreOffice works, then we can't expect it
to be designed well. We shouldn't rely on the expectation that each user will
paint their own ui--most people can't be bothered to do that. Most people
don't use LibreOffice primarily for the ability to change the chrome--they use
it to be productive. The sidebar is a much more natural way of laying out
tools, which I would bet increases overall productivity. 


 Also you will have users who will choose not to use the sidebar, so i dont
 think LibO should force them to do so.

I'm just saying that putting common things into harder-to-access group 
drop-downs to make room for lesser-used commands goes against the quick 
access nature of toolbars.

This is important. A toolbar with many items takes just as long to look through
as a menu. 

In order to move forward, we need to: 
(1) Recognize and agree that Writer's toolbars have a fixable problem.
(2) (a) Create a whiteboard to work on this problem collaboratively, or
(2) (b) Create different proposals separately
(3) Decide on a solution
(4) Get some developers to work on it.

This bug report is great for addressing (1), but we can't move into part (2)
without first completing part (1), which is answering the question: Are the
standard and formatting toolbars in need of a redesign?

I would say they are.

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Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 81475] Meta: enhancing Writer's standard and formatting toolbars

2014-08-08 Thread Jay Philips

Hi David,

Next to the paste button is a down arrow that gives you paste special
options like html, rtf, and without formatting.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 81475] Meta: enhancing Writer's standard and formatting toolbars

2014-08-07 Thread bugzilla-daemon

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81475

--- Comment #12 from Mirek2 maz...@gmail.com ---
Hi Jay,
I'll just comment on your answer here and comment on the issue later:

(In reply to comment #9)
  * Additionally, I would propose to either get rid of the Font Name
  dropdown or at least condense it into a drop-down menu with an icon. It's
  bad practice both to use more than 3 fonts per document and to hard-format
  fonts instead of using styles.
 
 The concept of styles are foreign to many users and they will stick with
 using the font names dialog to select fonts they want to use and i doubt
 there is anything that will change this behaviour unless styles are
 introduced in a new manner that is very ease to grasp.

Yes, but the font name drop-down is rarely used, which means it should either
be removed from the toolbar and left to the sidebar or it should at least
occupy less space (as a drop-down with an icon).

  Step 2
  ==
  a)
  * +1 to having a Word functions split button
  * I disagree with having a Spelling menu item -- the current approach that
  lets you work with the selection, the paragraph, or all text makes much more
  sense to me.
 
 Well i suggested the spelling menu, as a means of grouping spelling related
 items into the Tools menu, similar to having a language menu item in the
 Tools menu. I didnt quite get what you meant with 'work with the selection,
 the paragraph, or all text' when it comes to spelling.

Spelling is an integral part of the Language menu under tools -- spell-checking
and grammar-checking are the only reasons to apply a language to parts of text.
What I meant to say is that there's no need for a separate Spelling menu -- it
would just duplicate the Language menu.

  * Not keen on building Google or Bing into LibO. Wouldn't mind extensions
  for this, though.
 
 This was only a hope that something would show up like this in the future,
 as i think it would help many translators (especially those working on the
 release notes for LibO :D). If an open source alternative is around, i'm all
 for it, but was just suggesting how this drop down might get expanded in the
 future.

I understand.

  * Error navigation is better suited for the Navigate by feature.
 
 Where can i find this navigate by feature?

Either the navigator or the Find toolbar. In older versions, it used to be at
the bottom of the right-hand scrollbar.

  b)
  * Given that several of the alignment options are commonly used, I would not
  make them into a group button. Because we have the Properties pane now, we
  should just have individual buttons for the more important features in the
  toolbar.
  * The same with Bullets and Numbering.
 
 These are commonly used buttons, but unfortunately they take up more space
 than the more used trio - bold, italics and underline. In the alternative
 mockup i have suggested the use of a two button approach so it takes up the
 size of 2.5 buttons rather than 4 (this mockup also keeps the buttons and
 numbering separate).

The thing is, we don't need to save space. We should keep all the common
options as accessible for users as possible and relegate all the lesser-used
commands to the sidebar.

Button groups make things harder to access, and if the formatting toolbar is
supposed to provide quick access to the most common commands, it should avoid
them when possible.

(Ideally, LibreOffice would be responsive and group buttons into drop-down
menus when there is no room for them.)
 
  Step 3
  ==
  a)
  * I'm torn about whether to add Find or Find and Replace. Though
  Ctrl+F is relatively well-known, 15% of users used the toolbar button
  (more than Undo, Cut, Copy, or Paste). The toolbar is also more
  comfortable to use, already links to Find and Replace if it's needed, and
  has navigation features not found in the dialog. I'm also hoping some basic
  replace functionality will be added to the toolbar.
 
 I was initially going to suggest a group find button, but unfortunately
 space was a limiting factor. The group button was going to have Find, Find 
 Replace, Goto Page (dialog), and Navigator.

A simple Find button is probably best, as it encompasses both search and
navigation.
 
  * Subscript/superscript should be individual buttons. (There's space freed
  by the Font name removal suggested above.)
 
 Yes if there is space, i'd have these as separate.

If there is no space, they should be in the sidebar.

  * A single Size Change button would be hard to implement, it would feel
  alien as it's not a native widget, and the small version would be hard to
  target. It'd be preferable to replace the font size combo box (which
  shouldn't be used anyway -- styles should be used for sizing text) with
  Increase font size and Decrease font size buttons. Clicking one of these
  buttons should show the new font size in a tooltip below the button.
 
 Well i was going to suggest the 2 increase and decrease font buttons located
 on either side of the font

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 81475] Meta: enhancing Writer's standard and formatting toolbars

2014-08-07 Thread Jean-Francois Nifenecker

Le 07/08/2014 15:22, bugzilla-dae...@freedesktop.org a écrit :

 The concept of styles are foreign to many users and they will stick with
 using the font names dialog to select fonts they want to use and i doubt
 there is anything that will change this behaviour unless styles are
 introduced in a new manner that is very ease to grasp.

+1

 
 Yes, but the font name drop-down is rarely used,

Could you elaborate, please?

When I see the people around me (corporate environment, 400+ users) who
don't use styles (most of them, unfortunately), the font drop-down *is*
used very often.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 81475] Meta: enhancing Writer's standard and formatting toolbars

2014-08-06 Thread bugzilla-daemon

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81475

--- Comment #10 from Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com ---
Created attachment 104127
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Competition - Atlantis Word Processor Toolbars

Here is the toolbar used by Atlantis Word Processor (
www.atlantiswordprocessor.com ). They have gone the route of having 3 toolbars
on by default and a button on the right of the toolbars to switch it to a
different set of three toolbars.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 81475] Meta: enhancing Writer's standard and formatting toolbars

2014-08-05 Thread bugzilla-daemon

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81475

--- Comment #7 from Mirek2 maz...@gmail.com ---
Hi Jay,
That's quite a mouthful. I'll try to comment on all of it.

For starters, though, I'd like to point out that the current contextual
(formatting) toolbars are supplemented by the Properties pane in the sidebar.
Thus, a reorganization of any of these toolbars should take this pane into
account as well.

In general, the purpose of each of the UI elements is as follows:
* The Standard toolbar should serve as the starting point for everything not
pertaining to the current selection. It has a long way to get there, but that
is the goal. (Note that this should be solved not by cramming everything into
the toolbar, but by clever design. Modern browsers, Gnome 3, elementary OS,
iOS, and Android apps prove that this can be done.)
* Contextual (formatting) toolbars provide quick access to commonly-used
commands related to the selection.
* The Properties pane should provide access to all commands pertaining to the
current selection, replacing formatting dialogs in the long run.

It's also notable that split buttons should be used when a) one button in a
group is much more commonly used than the others, or b) the button is a
shortcut to a command and the menu allows the user to tweak the command's
function. For groups of buttons that are all used with the same relative
frequency, a drop-down menu should be used instead, as it provides a larger
target area and is therefore easier to click. Groups should hold at least 3
buttons -- 2 buttons are not worth grouping.

I'm not sure if by group buttons, you mean split buttons or drop-down menus,
so I'll suggest the ones that I think are fitting below.

Now I'll comment on the specifics:

Step 1
==
* +1 for removing everything you listed (provided all the changes required for
getting rid of Edit File happen)
* Additionally, I would propose to either get rid of the Font Name dropdown
or at least condense it into a drop-down menu with an icon. It's bad practice
both to use more than 3 fonts per document and to hard-format fonts instead of
using styles.

Step 2
==
a)
* +1 to having a Word functions split button
* I disagree with having a Spelling menu item -- the current approach that lets
you work with the selection, the paragraph, or all text makes much more sense
to me.
* Not keen on building Google or Bing into LibO. Wouldn't mind extensions for
this, though.
* Error navigation is better suited for the Navigate by feature.

b)
* Given that several of the alignment options are commonly used, I would not
make them into a group button. Because we have the Properties pane now, we
should just have individual buttons for the more important features in the
toolbar.
* The same with Bullets and Numbering.

Step 3
==
a)
* I'm torn about whether to add Find or Find and Replace. Though Ctrl+F
is relatively well-known, 15% of users used the toolbar button (more than
Undo, Cut, Copy, or Paste). The toolbar is also more comfortable to
use, already links to Find and Replace if it's needed, and has navigation
features not found in the dialog. I'm also hoping some basic replace
functionality will be added to the toolbar.
* Subscript/superscript should be individual buttons. (There's space freed by
the Font name removal suggested above.)
* A Line Spacing drop-down menu sounds good.
* A single Size Change button would be hard to implement, it would feel alien
as it's not a native widget, and the small version would be hard to target.
It'd be preferable to replace the font size combo box (which shouldn't be used
anyway -- styles should be used for sizing text) with Increase font size and
Decrease font size buttons. Clicking one of these buttons should show the new
font size in a tooltip below the button.

b)
* An Insert Media group doesn't seem necessary to me. It's extremely unlikely
for sounds or videos to be inserted into documents, spreadsheets, or drawings,
and, from my own experience, it's pretty rare for presentations. The Gallery is
in the sidebar and shouldn't have a toolbar button (see [Bug 73151]). Fontwork
should basically never be used. The only buttons remaining are Insert Image
(From File...) and Scan Image -- the former should be in the toolbar, the
latter is, IMHO, not used frequently enough to warrant its own button.

I'll comment on the rest later.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 81475] Meta: enhancing Writer's standard and formatting toolbars

2014-08-05 Thread bugzilla-daemon

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81475

--- Comment #8 from Daniel Hulse simplecontr...@gmail.com ---
I think the idea here is we need to do a proper audit of what should really be
in the Standard toolbar and then design and implement accordingly. Jay, it
seems like you've done quite a bit of work on this, but it's difficult to
comment on individual parts of it here in bug report. 

I would caution against adding any more functionallity into the standard
toolbar. As it is, it's so crowded it makes it more difficult to navigate than
a menu in my opinion. This is my idea for how the standard toolbar ought to be
set up in conjunction with the sidebar: http://imgur.com/a/XyN4O , althought
I've since removed the spellcheck button, since it's already in the status bar.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 81475] Meta: enhancing Writer's standard and formatting toolbars

2014-07-25 Thread bugzilla-daemon

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81475

--- Comment #4 from Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com ---
Created attachment 103482
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Google Docs - single widget color picker

-
Step 4 - Suggestion of new UI elements
-

The creation of new UI elements is not an easy task to my knowledge, as it can
involve quite a bit of development work in order to complete, and due to that,
i've limited my suggestions to just one.

Single Color Group Button - Presently in Writer, there are 3 drop down buttons
for colors (i.e. Font Color, Highlight Color, and Background Color) and they
take up more space then any other group of buttons or drop down list in the
formatting toolbar. It would be beneficial to have a single drop down color
pick widget that has tabs for Text, Highlight and Background, similar to how
google docs does it in the attachment. Of course the drawback to this
suggestion is that it wouldnt be as easy to add an already selected color to
text, because its a merged single button that you couldnt click the icon
portion of it to do one thing and the down arrow portion to perform another.

-
Step 5 - Additional Suggestions
-

During this process, i've thought about alot of other suggestions that didn't
make it into the final mockup, so i'm taking this opportunity to present them
encase others think they are worth using.

Removal of Cut/Copy/Paste Buttons - With over 90% of users using either the
shortcut key or context menu to achieve this functionality, there really isnt a
need to keep around these buttons other than to maintain the standard toolbar
legacy layout used in most applications. The removal of the paste button would
only be a recommendation if 'paste special' was added to the context menu [bug
62947]. Removing these would allow the inclusion of 3 other buttons that dont
have easy access to from the toolbar, like 'Manual Break' (.uno:InsertBreak)
and 'Insert Columns' (.uno:FormatColumns), which are accessed ~99% from the
menu.

Cut/Copy Group Button - As these two buttons are mutually exclusive in their
actions, they could be combined as a group with copy as its main button, as
copy is used 3 times more often than cut. Combining these could allow the
addition of one other button into the toolbar.

Print Group Button - By converting the standard print button into a print group
button, the drop down would list all the available printers for easy direct
printing to and the list would end with a more button which would give access
to the print dialog.

Customized Open Drop Down - When most users are in a particular application,
they consider that application as an independant application (thats how
libreoffice even presents it in the application menu) and as such, if they have
Writer opened and clicked on the toolbar open drop down list, they would expect
to see only text documents in the list.

Customized Open dialog - Similar to customization of the open drop down list,
it would be equally expected that if a user clicked on the toolbar open button,
that 'Text documents' would be automatically selected in the file types drop
down list. It makes no sense that 'All Files' is selected by default, when
LibreOffice cant open all files.

Improvements to Tooltips - With many of the buttons that have been suggested to
be included in the mockup, their tooltips are not suitably written because they
link to the wordings in the menu (e.g. 'From File' used for the insert image
button [bug 80542]), were incorrectly written (e.g. 'Insert Footnote/Endnote
Directly' when this button only inserts footnotes), or can be further improved
by better wording (e.g. 'Hyperlink' to 'Add/Edit Hyperlink').

Highlighting and Background Color Confusion - I find that having both these
buttons in the formatting toolbar to be a major confusion because a user is
supposed to understand that highlighting is the text background color and
background is the paragraph background color. IMHO, i'd assuming most users
would consider highlighting to be what they perseive as background color and as
such, the background color button should be removed. What really makes things
more confusing is that the Character and Paragraph dialogs both have tabs
called 'Background'.

Insert Table Button Default Behaviour - As most users will normally create
small tables, the default behaviour of the insert table button
(.uno:InsertTable) should be to open its drop down and not to show the dialog
box.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 81475] Meta: enhancing Writer's standard and formatting toolbars

2014-07-21 Thread bugzilla-daemon

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81475

--- Comment #2 from Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com ---
Created attachment 103175
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Step 2 - Grouping Similar Items Together


Step 2 - Grouping similar items together


Buttons with similar features or with mutually exclusive behaviour can be
grouped together to increase the available space for the addition of more
buttons, as well as to keep the accessibility of these features in the toolbar.
The grouped buttons will look similar to the New and Open toolbar entries, i.e.
that the group icon will have an arrow to the right of it, which can be clicked
to see the underlying grouped entries.



* Step 2a - Grouping in the Standard Toolbar



'Word Functions' group button - A group button should be created with 'Spelling
and Grammar' (.uno:SpellingAndGrammarDialog - 3rd most popular dialog window)
as its main button, as it takes up ~7% of toolbar total usage and
'AutoSpellcheck' (.uno:SpellOnline), which takes up 3%, should be grouped
underneath it. Additional related entries can be added to the drop down
including Word Count (.uno:WordCountDialog - 8th most popular dialog window),
Thesaurus (.uno:ThesaurusDialog), and AutoCorrect (.uno:OnlineAutoFormat). I
think the 'AutoSpellcheck' toggle entry should be available in the tools menu,
under a menu item group titled 'Spelling', which will also contain the
'Spelling and Grammar' entry. Here is an example of the hierarchy:

 Tools
  Spelling
   Spelling and Grammar (F7)
   AutoSpellcheck

I hope that in the future, additional entries can be added to the drop down,
like a translation option using online translation services from google and
bing. An enhancement request was submitted [bug 80722] for a shortcut key to
jump to the next spelling error, and maybe a 'Next Spell Error' and 'Previous
Spell Error' could also be included in the drop down list.



* Step 2b - Grouping in the Formatting Toolbar



'Paragraph Alignment' group button - A group button should be created with all
the alignment buttons (.uno:LeftPara, .uno:CenterPara, .uno:RightPara,
.uno:JustifyPara), as all of them are mutually exclusive. I would recommend
'Centered' as the main button, as it has the highest toolbar total usage (27%)
among the four buttons, while others have recommended that 'Align Left' be used
as default for non-RTL languages, and it has the second highest toolbar total
usage (16%). Another suggestion has been that left, right and justify be the
group button as it has a 53% of usage of the four buttons, and center should
remain its own button with its 47% usage. If space is available, i would
recommend this option over the single group button.

'Bullets and Numbering' group button - A group button should be created with
'Bullets On/Off' (.uno:DefaultBullet) as the main button (15% toolbar total
usage) and 'Numbering On/Off' (.uno:DefaultNumbering) grouped underneath it (6%
toolbar total usage), as the two are mutually exclusive buttons. Another reason
for Numbering to be underneath, is that more than half of users toggle
Numbering with its shortcut key, while 99% of users toggle Bullets from the
toolbar. The opening of the drop down would reveal a selection of bullet and
numbering styles, similar to how it is displayed in the sidebar, but smaller in
size, similar to the borders drop down found in calc.



The mockup continues on from the mockup of step 1 and shows how the grouped
items would appear in the toolbar and how their drop down feature could
possibly look.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 81475] Meta: enhancing Writer's standard and formatting toolbars

2014-07-18 Thread bugzilla-daemon

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81475

Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|UNCONFIRMED |NEW
 CC||jmadero@gmail.com
 Ever confirmed|0   |1

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