Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] some thoughts on the Sidebar

2013-09-18 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi David, dollyp wrote (06-09-13 23:11) I don't agree with your comments about the sidebar eating space. Using Writer on a widescreen notebook I prefer the option to have things down the side of the screen so that the maximum vertical space is available, but with Sheet a wider display is

[Libreoffice-ux-advise] LO's styles are more confusing then MSO's (Was Re: some thoughts on the Sidebar)

2013-09-18 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi David, dollyp wrote (06-09-13 23:11) snip Direct formatting is less effective than using styles but LO's styles are if anything more confusing to the average user than MSO's. Hmm. would you mind to explain why that is the case, in your opinion? thanks, Cor -- - Cor Nouws -

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] some thoughts on the Sidebar

2013-09-18 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi Jean-Baptiste, Jean-Baptiste Faure wrote (10-09-13 07:54) I do not agree with that except in the case of Calc. In Writer I work always with the Navigator and/or the Stylist open. With the Sidebar, I can close the Formatting toolbar and gain vertical space. Yes, that is the idea. I think

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2013-09-18 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi Pedro! Pedro wrote (06-09-13 10:58) I disagree with both your points :) :\ ;) Eating space: actually a side bar (optional) makes better use of screen space on new screens which are widescreen. So the idea is to disable the format toolbar (which becomes redundant) and use the horizontal

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] some thoughts on the Sidebar

2013-09-18 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi Mirek, Mirek M. wrote (09-09-13 14:46) I share your sentiments about the sidebar. It should definitely be hidden by default, as it adds minimal value in return for a bunch of wasted space and a less focused, messier interface. The exception to this would be Impress, because it already

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2013-09-18 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi Fernand, Fernand Vanrie wrote (06-09-13 14:44) + 1 to have the navigator in a sidebar cleary showing the hidden elements (like graphics with sizes and formats) pressent in a document I think I can't disagree with this idea for improving the Navigator! Regards, Cor The discussion on the

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] some thoughts on the Sidebar

2013-09-18 Thread Olivier Hallot
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Cor Em 18-09-2013 12:16, Cor Nouws escreveu: It would be my strong, very strong, preference to make controls for direct formatting hidden, far hidden, and clearly show styles in a useful way. HAve you any idea to share on how should be the

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] LO's styles are more confusing then MSO's (Was Re: some thoughts on the Sidebar)

2013-09-18 Thread Pedro
Hi Cor Cor Nouws wrote Direct formatting is less effective than using styles but LO's styles are if anything more confusing to the average user than MSO's. Hmm. would you mind to explain why that is the case, in your opinion? Because the direct format button are in your face and changing

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] LO's styles are more confusing then MSO's (Was Re: some thoughts on the Sidebar)

2013-09-18 Thread dollyp
Cor Nouws wrote dollyp wrote (06-09-13 23:11) snip Direct formatting is less effective than using styles but LO's styles are if anything more confusing to the average user than MSO's. Hmm. would you mind to explain why that is the case, in your opinion? thanks, Cor Hi Cor I'm

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] some thoughts on the Sidebar

2013-09-18 Thread Mirek M.
On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 5:18 PM, Cor Nouws oo...@nouenoff.nl wrote: Hi Jean-Baptiste, Jean-Baptiste Faure wrote (10-09-13 07:54) I do not agree with that except in the case of Calc. In Writer I work always with the Navigator and/or the Stylist open. With the Sidebar, I can close the

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] some thoughts on the Sidebar

2013-09-18 Thread Mirek M.
Hi Cor, On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 5:16 PM, Cor Nouws oo...@nouenoff.nl wrote: Hi Mirek, Mirek M. wrote (09-09-13 14:46) I share your sentiments about the sidebar. It should definitely be hidden by default, as it adds minimal value in return for a bunch of wasted space and a less focused,

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] some thoughts on the Sidebar

2013-09-18 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi Mirek, Mirek M. wrote (18-09-13 22:03) OK. And maybe, when visible in the other modules, remove some formatting toolbar? I'm not sure if I said it in this post, but I look at the Properties panel as the replacement for modal dialogs -- like the Inspector in Mac applications. Thus I

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] some thoughts on the Sidebar

2013-09-18 Thread Mirek M.
On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 10:31 PM, Cor Nouws oo...@nouenoff.nl wrote: Hi Mirek, Mirek M. wrote (18-09-13 22:03) OK. And maybe, when visible in the other modules, remove some formatting toolbar? I'm not sure if I said it in this post, but I look at the Properties panel as the

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] LO's styles are more confusing then MSO's (Was Re: some thoughts on the Sidebar)

2013-09-18 Thread Jean-Francois Nifenecker
Le 18/09/2013 18:45, Pedro a écrit : To do the same with Styles you need to select the Paragraph and at least 5 mouse clicks (assuming you know where Styles are) ;) Yes, for sure. But changing a style is extensive: the changes apply throughout the document, whereas a local format is, well,

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] some thoughts on the Sidebar

2013-09-18 Thread Jean-Francois Nifenecker
Hi Cor, Le 18/09/2013 17:16, Cor Nouws a écrit : It would be my strong, very strong, preference to make controls for direct formatting hidden, far hidden, and clearly show styles in a useful way. \o/ Yeah! I love you! Go for it! We *need* that! Styles are the very feature that