Re: [Libreoffice] RC1 / size redux ...

2010-12-08 Thread Sebastian Spaeth
On Tue, 07 Dec 2010 17:55:19 +, Michael Meeks wrote: So - as we all know, RC1 is too large; ... http://users.freedesktop.org/~michael/sizes.ods This is a phantastic analysis, thanks for doing that Michael. Amazing that OTP + license files make 50% of our used space :). As

Re: [Libreoffice] The future of help [was: Re: Deleting Java from Base]

2010-12-08 Thread Jan Holesovsky
Hi Cor, On 2010-12-03 at 17:51 +0100, Cor Nouws wrote: That one might be actually easy - when the wikihelp is online, I'd default to not building the internal help at all, and instead focus on converting it from the wiki version to the platform-native (Windows / MacOSX / Gnome / KDE [but

Re: [Libreoffice] Comments on RC1

2010-12-08 Thread Michael Meeks
Hi Alexander, On Wed, 2010-12-08 at 10:04 +0100, Alexander Thurgood wrote: In countries where power supplies are intermittent, or irregular, it matters a great deal. If your phone or electricity lines crap out part way through the download, and you were on a pay-per-minute connection, what

Re: [Libreoffice] Comments on RC1 spell checking

2010-12-08 Thread Caolán McNamara
On Wed, 2010-12-08 at 10:37 +0100, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: What about mac and windows users? Is Hunspell available for them as well? This was about using spelling dictionaries that are already available on the target platform. And Mac and Windows don't typically have hunspell as their default

Re: [Libreoffice] RC1 / size redux ...

2010-12-08 Thread Michael Meeks
Hi Marc, On Tue, 2010-12-07 at 13:36 -0500, Marc Paré wrote: That does help in describing the situation. Was this also examined by other devs? I am saying this as sometimes, other pair of eyes will see other places/ways of reducing the size. This is why I post it to the list (FWIW).

[Libreoffice] Bundled fonts

2010-12-08 Thread Sebastian Spaeth
By default, we bundle 20MB of TTF fonts that I mostly have installed as system fonts already. We have 2 badly documented configure options: --without-fonts (--with-fonts is the default) and --enable-extra-font (not enabled by default, putting more .ttfs on your disk). Not quibbling about the

[Libreoffice] Easter eggs, was: Re: Comments on RC1

2010-12-08 Thread Olivier Hallot
While we are here, I am happy to know we will one day remove our LO easter eggs. No matter how inocuous they are (and they are), it is too often a source of noise in enterprise environments. Just an entry in our to-do list. Em 08-12-2010 07:20, Michael Meeks escreveu: One way (but not the

Re: [Libreoffice] BOOL conflict

2010-12-08 Thread Michael Meeks
Hi Thomas, On Tue, 2010-12-07 at 10:26 +0100, Thomas Klausner wrote: I'm building with external iodbc (3.52.7) and it fails with: /usr/pkg/include/iodbcunix.h:136: error: conflicting declaration 'typedef int BOOL' .../libreoffice/solver/330/unxbsdx3.pro/inc/tools/solar.h:58: error: 'BOOL'

Re: [Libreoffice] Easter eggs, was: Re: Comments on RC1

2010-12-08 Thread Michael Meeks
On Wed, 2010-12-08 at 10:56 +, Caolán McNamara wrote: On Wed, 2010-12-08 at 07:51 -0200, Olivier Hallot wrote: While we are here, I am happy to know we will one day remove our LO easter eggs. Kill-joy. :-) agreed. The main problem, that I've seen with easter eggs is that

Re: [Libreoffice] [LibreOffice] [Patch] Fix for i#108228: Bool has negative sign when used in Writer formula expression

2010-12-08 Thread Michael Meeks
Hi Mattias, On Wed, 2010-12-08 at 21:35 +1100, Mattias Johnsson wrote: Fix for http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=108228. Wow - this is an excellent analysis :-) though I'm hoping someone else will review the patch. // The numeric values of TRUE and FALSE enum SbxBOOL {

Re: [Libreoffice] Bundled fonts

2010-12-08 Thread Sebastian Spaeth
Sounds good to me; go for it ! :-) OK to push this patch? USer visible changes are: Rename --with-fonts to --enable-fonts and --enable-extra-font to --enable-extra-fonts to make them consistent. Improve help texts. Make it so that --enable-extra-fonts implies --enable-fonts. Both options

Re: [Libreoffice] Bundled fonts

2010-12-08 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi Sebastian, *; On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 10:53 AM, Sebastian Spaeth sebast...@sspaeth.de wrote: Not quibbling about the option naming here (--with vs --enable etc), do we really need to bundle those fonts by default? IMHO: Yes. (DejaVu, Libertine, and Gentium are already quite common on

Re: [Libreoffice] binfilter and features...

2010-12-08 Thread Pierre-André Jacquod
Hi, There is alright, a phonecon typically once a week or so. maybe we can put this topic on the agenda would be great and you could dial in if its at a suitable time. doing this during free time, I may really depend if the possibility arise or not. But basically, we could think of a kind

Re: [Libreoffice] Bundled fonts

2010-12-08 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi Rene, *; On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 1:05 PM, Rene Engelhard r...@debian.org wrote: On Wed, Dec 08, 2010 at 12:30:00PM +0100, Christian Lohmaier wrote: So please not disable it. If you want ship the opensymbol one with math, and only leave the others in the fonts package, but keep them Is not

Re: [Libreoffice] Bundled fonts

2010-12-08 Thread Rene Engelhard
On Wed, Dec 08, 2010 at 01:14:58PM +0100, Christian Lohmaier wrote: On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 1:05 PM, Rene Engelhard r...@debian.org wrote: On Wed, Dec 08, 2010 at 12:30:00PM +0100, Christian Lohmaier wrote: So please not disable it. If you want ship the opensymbol one with math, and only

Re: [Libreoffice] LibreOffice WikiHelp

2010-12-08 Thread Jan Holesovsky
Hi Kohei, On 2010-12-07 at 11:05 -0500, Kohei Yoshida wrote: http://help.libreoffice.org is now up and running. Can someone post the IP address of that site? For me, that leads to the old go-ooo source code documentation by doxygen. It could be a DNS caching issue if we are trying

Re: [Libreoffice] LibreOffice WikiHelp

2010-12-08 Thread Muthu Subramanian K
Kendy, I guess we should tie the 'help-welcome' (the page that opens when the user clicks Help-Help from menu) pages to the wiki/Main_Page or probably create a LibreOffice welcome help page (to point to the Writer, Calc, and other applications help-start pages)... I too felt it odd for it not to

[Libreoffice] fighting with debug macros...

2010-12-08 Thread Pierre-André Jacquod
Hello, still trying to learn a bit the code. Compiling without DEBUG on gives some new warnings:- ) This lead me to look at some code construct. Here is in pseudo-code a typical construct I am crossing: var y = ; var x = ; code if ( y MAXVALUE) { ASSERT(x, out of range); // only use

Re: [Libreoffice] Easter eggs, was: Re: Comments on RC1

2010-12-08 Thread Norbert Thiebaud
On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 3:51 AM, Olivier Hallot olivier.hal...@documentfoundation.org wrote: While we are here, I am happy to know we will one day remove our LO easter eggs. Are 'we' ? No matter how inocuous they are (and they are), it is too often a source of noise in enterprise

Re: [Libreoffice] Easter eggs, was: Re: Comments on RC1

2010-12-08 Thread Kohei Yoshida
On Wed, 2010-12-08 at 11:09 +, Michael Meeks wrote: the embedded games were -so- bad, I can't imagine anyone getting that addicted :-) Not unless we embedd Tetris in Calc Kohei -- Kohei Yoshida, LibreOffice hacker, Calc kyosh...@novell.com

Re: [Libreoffice] Comments on RC1

2010-12-08 Thread Kevin Hunter
At 4:20am -0500 Wed, 08 Dec 2010, Michael Meeks wrote: On Wed, 2010-12-08 at 10:04 +0100, Alexander Thurgood wrote: In countries where power supplies are intermittent, or irregular, it matters a great deal. If your phone or electricity lines crap out part way through the download, and you were

Re: [Libreoffice] Comments on RC1

2010-12-08 Thread Michael Meeks
Hi Marc, On Wed, 2010-12-08 at 10:10 -0500, Marc Paré wrote: Le 2010-12-08 04:20, Michael Meeks a écrit : Right - a properly formed bug report for this in the bug tracker with details of language etc. would be much appreciated. .. I put this on the user list recently and here is the

Re: [Libreoffice] Comments on RC1

2010-12-08 Thread Michael Meeks
Hi there, On Wed, 2010-12-08 at 06:53 -0800, plino wrote: On the other hand - now is not a wonderful time to be discovering this :-) The outline of what was suggested wrt. multi-language installs has been on the table for several months, and was there in Beta3; RC1 is not an ideal

[Libreoffice] README translation for 3.3

2010-12-08 Thread Kohei Yoshida
Hi there, I need some help with figuring out how the readme is built during the build process. As I've noticed, the master copy of the readme has been updated; lots of new paragraphs added and some removed. The problem is that, where the paragraphs were removed I see some bogus paragraphs from

Re: [Libreoffice] Comments on RC1

2010-12-08 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-12-08 04:20, Michael Meeks a écrit : On Tue, 2010-12-07 at 14:33 +0100, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: Marc you mentioned a lack of a spell checker. what bout on any OS using another dictionary like Aspell or something of the sort? Right - a properly formed bug report for this in the

[Libreoffice] [Bug 31865] [Task]: LibreOffice 3.3 release blockers / stoppers

2010-12-08 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=31865 Bug 31865 depends on bug 31585, which changed state. Bug 31585 Summary: Writer crashes on mail merge https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=31585 What|Old Value |New Value

Re: [Libreoffice] Comments on RC1

2010-12-08 Thread plino
Wait - you also complained about RC1's size ? and then again here with a link ? :-) and Charles told you're we're working on fixing it, which is what we are doing ... No. LO is NOT working on it. This has been discussed on other topics since late Nov (Beta1 or 2)

Re: [Libreoffice] [LibreOffice] [Patch] Fix for i#108228: Bool has negative sign when used in Writer formula expression

2010-12-08 Thread Noel Power
Hi Mattias/Michael On 08/12/10 11:20, Michael Meeks wrote: Having said that, this really doesn't seem ideal. I wonder what the compatibility impact of changing it would be [ a chestnut for Noel to consider I suspect ]. From the basic point of view as Mattias says ( and afaics ) this

Re: [Libreoffice] Easter eggs, was: Re: Comments on RC1

2010-12-08 Thread Olivier Hallot
Title: Escritorio Virtual Scinergy Re: [Libreoffice] Easter eggs, was: Re: Comments on RC1 Mensagem Remetente: Olivier Hallot olivier_hallot_...@scinergy.com.br Mensagem: michael.me...@novell.com wrote: On Wed, 2010-12-08

Re: [Libreoffice] Comments on RC1

2010-12-08 Thread Kevin Hunter
At 11:04am -0500 Wed, 08 Dec 2010, Plino wrote: I'm willing to report the bugs I find when a proper bug tracker is set up. Do you mean something other than what is currently available through bugs.freedesktop.org?

Re: [Libreoffice] Easter eggs, was: Re: Comments on RC1

2010-12-08 Thread Olivier Hallot
Title: Escritorio Virtual Scinergy Re: [Libreoffice] Easter eggs, was: Re: Comments on RC1 Mensagem Remetente: Olivier Hallot olivier_hallot_...@scinergy.com.br Mensagem: Norbert Thiebaud nthieb...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed,

Re: [Libreoffice] Comments on RC1

2010-12-08 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-12-08 10:38, Michael Meeks a écrit : Hi Marc, On Wed, 2010-12-08 at 10:10 -0500, Marc Paré wrote: Le 2010-12-08 04:20, Michael Meeks a écrit : Right - a properly formed bug report for this in the bug tracker with details of language etc. would be much appreciated. .. I put

Re: [Libreoffice] Comments on RC1

2010-12-08 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi Kevin, *, On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 4:28 PM, Kevin Hunter hunt...@earlham.edu wrote: Would this be a suitable reason to offer the download as a torrent? Torrents have been available from the very beginning (and still are available of course). But unfortunately you're not always allowed or

Re: [Libreoffice] fighting with debug macros...

2010-12-08 Thread Miklos Vajna
On Wed, Dec 08, 2010 at 03:34:50PM +0100, Pierre-André Jacquod pjacq...@alumni.ethz.ch wrote: include /ure/sal/inc/osl/diagnose.h in file, and use only OSL_Debug macros loosing all messages? Is it possible to add an additional OSL_ASSERT(condition, message) macro? Or not wanted? We already

[Libreoffice] [Bug 31865] [Task]: LibreOffice 3.3 release blockers / stoppers

2010-12-08 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=31865 Petr Mladek pmla...@suse.cz changed: What|Removed |Added Depends on||32185 --- Comment #28 from

Re: [Libreoffice] Different x86 ABI on BSDs and MaxOSX

2010-12-08 Thread Robert Nagy
Hey, Sweet! Should I do a full build with it on i386 or did you test it already on the box? On (2010-12-08 16:49), Caolán McNamara wrote: So, checking this out on Robert's OpenBSD box and digging into MacOSX land it appears that Linux has different x86 struct returning rules than MacOSX and

Re: [Libreoffice] LibreOffice WikiHelp

2010-12-08 Thread Alexander Thurgood
Le 08/12/10 15:22, Jan Holesovsky a écrit : We have these, eg. when you hit F1 in a freshly opened Writer, you get to: http://help.libreoffice.org/Swriter/start When I hit F1 on my Macbook, my screen brightness diminishes... When I hit Fn-F1 together, the inline help is displayed. I'm

Re: [Libreoffice] Comments on RC1

2010-12-08 Thread Alexander Thurgood
Le 08/12/10 10:20, Michael Meeks a écrit : Hi Michael, Would you download a copy of that proprietary suite instead ? or would you get it on CD ? Ultimately, I'd love to see some Ubuntu style ship-it service to provide CDs to serve the 3rd world cheaply. As/when we have a foundation and

Re: [Libreoffice] Easter eggs, was: Re: Comments on RC1

2010-12-08 Thread Alexander Thurgood
Hi Norbert, Le 08/12/10 15:41, Norbert Thiebaud a écrit : Seriously ? What kind of noise ? (I hate to imagine the kind of work environment where the mere existence of such eggs would be cause for any concern, or even - for that matter - cause for any attention at all... at least nothing

Re: [Libreoffice] Comments on RC1

2010-12-08 Thread Sebastian Spaeth
On Wed, 8 Dec 2010 08:04:30 -0800 (PST), plino pedl...@gmail.com wrote: No. LO is NOT working on it. This has been discussed on other topics since late Nov (Beta1 or 2) Yes, they are. Michael Meeks disected the Windows installer and posted information about it just recently. Stop pretending you

Re: [Libreoffice] Easter eggs, was: Re: Comments on RC1

2010-12-08 Thread Jesús Corrius
On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 7:13 PM, Alexander Thurgood alex.thurg...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Norbert, Le 08/12/10 15:41, Norbert Thiebaud a écrit : Seriously ? What kind of noise ? (I hate to imagine the kind of work environment where the mere existence of such eggs would be cause for any concern,

Re: [Libreoffice] Easter eggs, was: Re: Comments on RC1

2010-12-08 Thread Sebastian Spaeth
Your IT department should not allow the use of MS products then: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easter_eggs_in_Microsoft_products :) Emacs is the worst. It even contains Tetris :-). Sebastian ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org

Re: [Libreoffice] Easter eggs, was: Re: Comments on RC1

2010-12-08 Thread Olivier Hallot
Sebastian Spaeth sebast...@sspaeth.de wrote: Your IT department should not allow the use of MS products then: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easter_eggs_in_Microsoft_products :) Emacs is the worst. It even contains Tetris :-). Sebastian Thanks Sebastian for the link. It helps. Saddly, I

Re: [Libreoffice] LibreOffice-3.3-rc1 git tag and fixes reviewing

2010-12-08 Thread Petr Mladek
Thorsten Behrens píše v Pá 03. 12. 2010 v 21:50 +0100: Petr Mladek wrote: libreoffice-3-3 git branch is still opened for fixes. Just please, send your patches for review to this mailing list before you commit. You might ask a particular person for review via CC or on the irc channel

Re: [Libreoffice] Easter eggs, was: Re: Comments on RC1

2010-12-08 Thread Norbert Thiebaud
On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 12:25 PM, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote: Le 2010-12-08 12:00, Olivier Hallot a écrit : The no  ise I had to fight in a 120.000 desktop deployment I am managing, by the IT security dept who almost made me write under oath that these stupidities are

Re: [Libreoffice] Easter eggs, was: Re: Comments on RC1

2010-12-08 Thread Norbert Thiebaud
On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 12:13 PM, Alexander Thurgood alex.thurg...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Norbert, Le 08/12/10 15:41, Norbert Thiebaud a écrit : Seriously ? What kind of noise ? (I hate to imagine the kind of work environment where the mere existence of such eggs would be cause for any

Re: [Libreoffice] Easter eggs, was: Re: Comments on RC1

2010-12-08 Thread Sebastian Spaeth
Thanks Sebastian for the link. It helps. Saddly, I don't see references on easter eggs for Office 2003 and later. They could just not be found as the code is closed. In contrast to LibO :-P Really, we are not talking virii. We are talking scrolling contributor credits on some key presses and

Re: [Libreoffice] Easter eggs, was: Re: Comments on RC1

2010-12-08 Thread Andras Timar
2010/12/8 Sebastian Spaeth sebast...@sspaeth.de: Thanks Sebastian for the link. It helps. Saddly, I don't see references on easter eggs for Office 2003 and later. They could just not be found as the code is closed. In contrast to LibO :-P Really, we are not talking virii. We are talking

Re: [Libreoffice] Comments on RC1

2010-12-08 Thread Michael Meeks
Hi there, On Wed, 2010-12-08 at 08:04 -0800, plino wrote: No. LO is NOT working on it. That is quite comic; if you read my blog, you'll discover I've been working on it for two days, and with some success - and I've been doing few of the other urgent things in my life that need doing,

Re: [Libreoffice] LibO download size [was: Comments on RC1]

2010-12-08 Thread Michael Meeks
Hi Bernard, On Tue, 2010-12-07 at 19:55 +0100, Bernhard Dippold wrote: The multi-installer for people in need for one single package download in their language We're working hard at shrinking this still. The EN-installer and lang-pack for others with main focus on the download

Re: [Libreoffice] Different x86 ABI on BSDs and MaxOSX

2010-12-08 Thread Caolán McNamara
On Wed, 2010-12-08 at 18:52 +0100, Robert Nagy wrote: Hey, Sweet! Should I do a full build with it on i386 or did you test it already on the box? I tested that testtools would build and pass its tests. That *should* be sufficient to ensure that the uno bridge is 100%, but the testtools is

Re: [Libreoffice] Different x86 ABI on BSDs and MaxOSX

2010-12-08 Thread Michael Meeks
On Wed, 2010-12-08 at 20:38 +, Caolán McNamara wrote: I tested that testtools would build and pass its tests. That *should* be sufficient to ensure that the uno bridge is 100%, but the testtools is comprised of tests that got added when the last time it was thought that all conditions

Re: [Libreoffice] Different x86 ABI on BSDs and MaxOSX

2010-12-08 Thread Jan Holesovsky
Hi Caolan, On 2010-12-08 at 16:49 +, Caolán McNamara wrote: So attached is my proposed change that would allow the testtools tests to run correctly during the build without being hacked out or disabled, which is rather important because if those tests fail it implies that the final

Re: [Libreoffice] LibreOffice WikiHelp

2010-12-08 Thread Jan Holesovsky
Hi Miklos, On 2010-12-08 at 18:59 +0100, Miklos Vajna wrote: Actually - if anyone volunteers to improve the Main_Page (eg. collect links to swriter/start, scalc/start, ...), I'll be happy to create the account for him to do that; or I can cut and paste any improvements sent to this

[Libreoffice] help.libreoffice.org MediaWiki DB snapshot to play with?

2010-12-08 Thread someone
Hi, all. I read part of the thread LibreOffice WikiHelp and recognized that there are a large body of MediaWiki Extensions that might help. However, rather than ask to try it out on your systems, I'd like to try them on my own, against the MediaWiki database backing help.libreoffice.org.

[Libreoffice] Fwd: Auto Reply: ... please un-subscribe this person

2010-12-08 Thread someone
Uh, can you un-subscribe/filter this person until he returns or asks to re-subscribe? I got this auto reply directly after posting my previous message to the list... :/ He says he won't be back until the 15th... Thanks. This must be getting sent to everyone who posts? Or maybe I'm special.

Re: [Libreoffice] help.libreoffice.org MediaWiki DB snapshot to play with?

2010-12-08 Thread Norbert Thiebaud
On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 11:30 PM, some...@boldandbusted.com wrote: Hi, all. I read part of the thread LibreOffice WikiHelp and recognized that there are a large body of MediaWiki Extensions that might help. However, rather than ask to try it out on your systems, I'd like to try them on my own,

Re: [Libreoffice] Comments on RC1

2010-12-08 Thread Sophie Gautier
Hi, On 08/12/2010 21:20, Marc Paré wrote: Le 2010-12-08 04:20, Michael Meeks a écrit : Hi Alexander, On Wed, 2010-12-08 at 10:04 +0100, Alexander Thurgood wrote: In countries where power supplies are intermittent, or irregular, it matters a great deal. If your phone or electricity lines crap

Re: [Libreoffice] High contrast issue

2010-12-08 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
Kendy is this in regards to the high contrast issue I found? On 12/09/2010 02:13 AM, Jan Holesovsky wrote: Hi Andrew, On 2010-12-02 at 22:16 +, Andrew C. E. Dent wrote: I have made simple HC variants for the start center images here:http://people.bath.ac.uk/ea2aced/OOo/Backing_HC.zip

Re: [Libreoffice] BOOL conflict

2010-12-08 Thread Thomas Klausner
On Wed, Dec 08, 2010 at 10:49:27AM +, Michael Meeks wrote: Urk; another reason not to use BOOL I guess :-) What does your iodbcunix.h include ? I guess we might need to do some hideous #define magic for the iodbcunix.h headers here: did you get a solution ? Not yet.