Re: Stable, conservative, unsupported versions | libreoffice.com/download
On 16.01.2019 15:41, Дилян Палаузов wrote: > Hello, > > it is confusing, when the most stable version does not compile, as it > happened to me, and when this is not going to > change. > > I suggest recomending only versions, which either compile, or in case they > don’t compile, they are supposed to be > publically tweaked to compile. Any version, however stable it were, cannot be guaranteed to compile with library versions released after its release. Also, no software is guaranteed to build in environments tweaked manually in unpredictable ways (as likely is in your case, as your previous thread suggests). So I suppose, in this thread you are trying to fix not the real problem. -- Best regards, Mike Kaganski ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: Stable, conservative, unsupported versions | libreoffice.com/download
Hello, it is confusing, when the most stable version does not compile, as it happened to me, and when this is not going to change. I suggest recomending only versions, which either compile, or in case they don’t compile, they are supposed to be publically tweaked to compile. Regards Дилян On Wed, 2019-01-16 at 12:03 +, Kaganski Mike wrote: > On 16.01.2019 14:49, Дилян Палаузов wrote: > > Hello, > > > > what I wanted to ask was, why does the LO-webpage recommend for enterprises > > end of life products. > > > > My understanding of the processes is, that there are usually a stable > > version, that is not end-of-live, and a most > > current version, at the same time. However there are gaps, when the > > webpage offers only one version, that is not end of > > life, without stating this clear. > > 6.0 *is* the stable version at the moment, that is rightfully > recommended now. EOL means only one thing: no more releases for this > branch are planned. This happens at the moment when the last release of > the branch comes out. The last release for 6.0 brought last portion of > the fixes; and at this moment, 6.0.7 is considered the most stable - and > for that reason, recommended; and at the same time, TDF won't release > any more patches to it - so it's EOLed. So do you suggest to only > recommend versions that don't have the last pack of fixes? > > -- > Best regards, > Mike Kaganski ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: Stable, conservative, unsupported versions | libreoffice.com/download
Hello, yes that theme and that unfortunate wording is already on our radar: http://document-foundation-mail-archive.969070.n3.nabble.com/TDF-marketing-discussion-paper-td4255766.html Suggestions for improvements always welcome. :-) Am 16.01.2019 um 12:49 schrieb Дилян Палаузов: Hello, what I wanted to ask was, why does the LO-ebpage recommend for enterprises end of life products. My understanding of the processes is, that there are usually a stable version, that is not end-of-live, and a most current version, at the same time. However there are gaps, when the webpage offers only one version, that is not end of life, without stating this clear. How about changing the releas/live duration process, so that no such gap exists? Regards Дилян On Wed, 2019-01-16 at 11:54 +0100, Michael Stahl wrote: On 16.01.19 10:57, Дилян Палаузов wrote: Hello, https://www.libreoffice.org/download/download/ says: LO 6.1.4 is for technology enthusiasts and 6.0.7 is for enterprises or conservative users. I read: 6.1.4 is development and 6.0.7 is stable. development happens on "master", and new features may be backported not to 6.1 but only to the 6.2 branch, but not any more right now (IIRC) because there is already a 6.2.0 RC2. the 6.1 branch only gets bugfixes, but (as always) bugfixes may carry their own risk of introducing new bugs, which cannot be prevented with 100% certainty. When I reported that building the conservative version fails, the answer on this mailing list was, that 6.0.7 is dead. [ https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleasePlan/6.0] there will be a 6.2 release very soon, so at that point 6.1 will be declared the "stable" branch. Please either align the Download area not to offer for installation end of life versions, or explain what is the point of delivering software for the enterprise, that is not supported. TDF does not and has never claimed to deliver enterprise support for any of its software; that sort of thing is available from downstream commercial service providers, who maintain release branches with a much longer support life-time than TDF releases. perhaps the Download page could be adapted to make that more obvious? ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice -- Regards / Mit freundlichen Grüßen Sophia Schröder --- www.LibreOffice.org German Language Team Help Files Debugger IRC: SophiaS ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: Stable, conservative, unsupported versions | libreoffice.com/download
On 16.01.2019 14:49, Дилян Палаузов wrote: > Hello, > > what I wanted to ask was, why does the LO-ebpage recommend for enterprises > end of life products. > > My understanding of the processes is, that there are usually a stable > version, that is not end-of-live, and a most > current version, at the same time. However there are gaps, when the webpage > offers only one version, that is not end of > life, without stating this clear. 6.0 *is* the stable version at the moment, that is rightfully recommended now. EOL means only one thing: no more releases for this branch are planned. This happens at the moment when the last release of the branch comes out. The last release for 6.0 brought last portion of the fixes; and at this moment, 6.0.7 is considered the most stable - and for that reason, recommended; and at the same time, TDF won't release any more patches to it - so it's EOLed. So do you suggest to only recommend versions that don't have the last pack of fixes? -- Best regards, Mike Kaganski ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: Stable, conservative, unsupported versions | libreoffice.com/download
Hello, what I wanted to ask was, why does the LO-ebpage recommend for enterprises end of life products. My understanding of the processes is, that there are usually a stable version, that is not end-of-live, and a most current version, at the same time. However there are gaps, when the webpage offers only one version, that is not end of life, without stating this clear. How about changing the releas/live duration process, so that no such gap exists? Regards Дилян On Wed, 2019-01-16 at 11:54 +0100, Michael Stahl wrote: > On 16.01.19 10:57, Дилян Палаузов wrote: > > Hello, > > > > https://www.libreoffice.org/download/download/ says: LO 6.1.4 is for > > technology enthusiasts and 6.0.7 is for enterprises > > or conservative users. I read: 6.1.4 is development and 6.0.7 is stable. > > development happens on "master", and new features may be backported not > to 6.1 but only to the 6.2 branch, but not any more right now (IIRC) > because there is already a 6.2.0 RC2. > > the 6.1 branch only gets bugfixes, but (as always) bugfixes may carry > their own risk of introducing new bugs, which cannot be prevented with > 100% certainty. > > > When I reported that building the conservative version fails, the answer on > > this mailing list was, that 6.0.7 is dead. [ > > https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleasePlan/6.0] > > there will be a 6.2 release very soon, so at that point 6.1 will be > declared the "stable" branch. > > > Please either align the Download area not to offer for installation end of > > life versions, or explain what is the point > > of delivering software for the enterprise, that is not supported. > > TDF does not and has never claimed to deliver enterprise support for any > of its software; that sort of thing is available from downstream > commercial service providers, who maintain release branches with a much > longer support life-time than TDF releases. > > perhaps the Download page could be adapted to make that more obvious? ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: Stable, conservative, unsupported versions | libreoffice.com/download
On 16.01.19 10:57, Дилян Палаузов wrote: Hello, https://www.libreoffice.org/download/download/ says: LO 6.1.4 is for technology enthusiasts and 6.0.7 is for enterprises or conservative users. I read: 6.1.4 is development and 6.0.7 is stable. development happens on "master", and new features may be backported not to 6.1 but only to the 6.2 branch, but not any more right now (IIRC) because there is already a 6.2.0 RC2. the 6.1 branch only gets bugfixes, but (as always) bugfixes may carry their own risk of introducing new bugs, which cannot be prevented with 100% certainty. When I reported that building the conservative version fails, the answer on this mailing list was, that 6.0.7 is dead. [ https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleasePlan/6.0] there will be a 6.2 release very soon, so at that point 6.1 will be declared the "stable" branch. Please either align the Download area not to offer for installation end of life versions, or explain what is the point of delivering software for the enterprise, that is not supported. TDF does not and has never claimed to deliver enterprise support for any of its software; that sort of thing is available from downstream commercial service providers, who maintain release branches with a much longer support life-time than TDF releases. perhaps the Download page could be adapted to make that more obvious? ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
