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> If you take a glance on this list, on twitter, and in other corners of the
>
On Fri, 20 Sep 2019 13:26:06 -0500
"Adrienne G. Thompson" wrote:
> PS: You like fish? RMS is a big fish! Let's give him plenty of
> support so we can swim with him in less polluted waters. #RiseUp
Now I can't get that picture out of my head :S
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On Fri, Sep 20, 2019 at 12:29 PM Will Hill
<[1]will.hillno...@gmail.com> wrote:
He did not say that. He said the phrase "sexual assault" is
ambiguous and
misleading, and that prostitution is not equivalent to violent
rape.
He also argued that it's wrong to define
On Sunday 15 September 2019, Adrienne G. Thompson wrote:
> Contrary to Stallman's comment that "the word 'assaulting' presumes that he
> applied force or violence", force or violence is not necessary to
> constitute rape or "assault". The fact that a young woman might have
> presented herself as
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I am not working on a response to the vilification.
On the substantive issues, my
rms:
On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 6:52 AM A. Mani <[1]a.mani@gmail.com>
wrote:
It will also help if you address points ( about you) in the
geekfeminism wikia and elsewhere.
Please work on a detailed article/response.
If you do decide to do this please have a few
On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 10:04 AM Richard Stallman wrote:
> > A) political concerns about patriarchy / sexism etc
> > I happen to be on the more feminist / progressive / left-wing side for
> > A,
>
> I am, too. And I will not change that because of the vilification
> campaign. The broader
On 09/18/2019 06:13 PM, Leah Rowe wrote:
> Just saying, assigning roles to someone based on their demographic is
> stupid.
Yes.
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yes. i agree with you.
On Wed, 18 Sep 2019 18:44:48 -0500
"Adrienne G. Thompson" wrote:
> Leah,
>
>
> > women (and LGBT people, and black people etc) are routinely
> > descriminated against, and less likely to get involved in tech.
> >
> > we need to spend more effort bringing such people
there is a hidden 4th item on that bullet point list:
* empathy. understanding what the other is thinking, and seeing where
they are coming from. "know your enemy"
Many activists fail on this aspect. They fail to understand what
they're opposing.
On Thu, 19 Sep 2019 01:25:16 +0100 Leah Rowe
there are two types of equality activist:
* diplomat
* thug
I'm of the diplomatic variety. The ones that you had a negative
experience with are the thug type.
It's the diplomatic ones that make the real change. People like me, who
do real work rather than just shouting on twitter or on mailing
Leah,
women (and LGBT people, and black people etc) are routinely
descriminated against, and less likely to get involved in tech.
we need to spend more effort bringing such people into the movement.
since you know, they actually form at least half the planet and have
I'm on the feminine spectrum of gender identity, and here are my
hobbies:
* soldering
* programming
* fine art
* martial arts
* sewing
* cooking
I watch violent TV shows and play violent video games.
Just saying, assigning roles to someone based on their demographic is
stupid.
On Wed, 18 Sep
On 09/18/2019 12:28 AM, Isaac David wrote:
> The latter isn't necessarily a consequence of the former, which you seem to
> imply. Evidence shows there's a negative correlation between the fairer a
> society is for women and the amount of women getting into STEM. This would be
> explained by
Congratulations, I’m officially unsubscribing from this list because of
this stupid thread that will not stop spamming my inbox with
emotionally torked posery.
As I depart, I leave you with these words. This is not twitter! There
used to be netiquette and collegiality observed
than the software. Get out of your bubble and chill out...
Go back to your day job.
> On Sep 17, 2019, at 8:35 PM, libreplanet-discuss-requ...@libreplanet.org
> wrote:
>
> Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Is Stallman nuts?
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I know I'm not replying directly to the mail I'm supposed to.
>On Tue, September 17, 2019 7:59 pm, Leah Rowe wrote:
>>
>> women (and LGBT people, and black people etc) are routinely
>> descriminated against, and less likely to get involved in tech.
The latter isn't necessarily a consequence of
On Tue, September 17, 2019 7:59 pm, Leah Rowe wrote:
>
> meritocracy is silly in terms of advancing equality, because it
> implies an equal playing field - nothing is further from the truth
>
> women (and LGBT people, and black people etc) are routinely
> descriminated against, and less likely to
On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 7:59 PM Leah Rowe <[1]i...@minifree.org> wrote:
meritocracy is silly in terms of advancing equality, because it
implies an equal playing field - nothing is further from the truth
If you have the choice between a more qualified male candidate and
less
meritocracy is silly in terms of advancing equality, because it
implies an equal playing field - nothing is further from the truth
women (and LGBT people, and black people etc) are routinely
descriminated against, and less likely to get involved in tech.
we need to spend more effort bringing
On 09/17/2019 03:27 PM, quil...@riseup.net wrote:
>>This whole business smells like a set-up. I've noted the number of
>>people who rushed to distance themselves from rms, some of whom he
>>might once have considered friends. RMS will rise again in the blink of
>>an eye!
>
> I
I won't replace the fish either. It'll get smellier and more rotten
every time.
On Wed, 18 Sep 2019 01:03:12 +0100 Leah Rowe
wrote:
>
>
> I want to stop receiving mails not only from this thread, but *this
> fucking mail list*. I've had enough of deleting mails from this
> thread.
>
> Some
I want to stop receiving mails not only from this thread, but *this
fucking mail list*. I've had enough of deleting mails from this
thread.
Some of us have real jobs and do actual fucking work all day, like
answering emails or writing software and doing pull requests / code
review on other
PLEASE can people stop responding to this fucking thread. I couldn't
possibly give any less of a flying fuck about this smear campaign
against RMS if you *paid* me... and yes, it is a smear campaign. Just
some whores from microsoft or the US government or whatever the
shit, wanting to cause
(1) It is obvious that RMS did not have a proper understanding of the
'Child sex-trafficking industry', and its extent.
The defense for Minsky was very ill-informed. RMS is yet to say
anything on (1). That said the resignations do not make enough sense
unless it is the case that Epstein is
On 09/17/2019 02:23 PM, Aaron Wolf wrote:
> ). We do *not* need to do this public mob justice thing which leaves any
> movement extremely vulnerable to manipulation and to misunderstandings
> destroying solidarity. I'm incidentally giving a related talk at SeaGL
> in November in Seattle.
A lot of
On Tue, September 17, 2019 1:29 pm, Danny Spitzberg wrote:
> If you take a glance on this list, on twitter, and in other corners of the
> internets, there are a ton of folks sharing their legitimate concerns
> about
> the broader issues in free software, FSF, and rms.
I do not use Twitter and I
On Tue, September 17, 2019 9:22 am, Adrienne G. Thompson wrote:
>Quiliro, I see you're at [1]riseup.net!
>
> Your message has made Richard Stallman, an icon to human rights,
> resign as
> president of the board of directors and as president of the FSF.
> As for me, I will
Sad to see such a charismatic leader shot down. I’m sure free software
will continue in a forward trajectory and looking forward to finding
out who will be picked as the new FSF president. RMS will always remain
the founder.
My only question, since RMS has stepped down, can the
Here it comes, more accusations with the intent of censoring (or
causing self censorship).
Let people speak their minds.
How else do you reach consensus? Do you just force out people who
disagree? That appears to be your aim.
You guys are stinking up the place, making a technical forum about
I hesitate to weigh in here, but I have a perspective to share that I'm
not seeing anyone else bring up.
There are really quite distinct issues:
A) political concerns about patriarchy / sexism etc
B) social problems with call-out culture
C) practical decisions for the movement
These have
On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 12:04 PM Ole Aamot <[1]ole.aa...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Spot on with the poem, Adrienne.
Let's create a good and welcoming Libreplanet 2020 for everyone. d:-)
GNU C-Graph is cool!
Thank you Ole!!
Adrienne
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> If it is true that Stallman called these victims as willing []
He did not. In fact he said the opposite. The media campaign is
built on a bald face, easily disproved lie.
-t
On 2019-09-17 11:47, lily via libreplanet-discuss wrote:
Earlier in this thread, I sent
Earlier in this thread, I sent the message below (last paragraph). I
want to state that I have not been following the current issue of
Stallman's statements closely, nor have I been following the Epstein
case closely.
I am just a young woman who got involved in the Free Software
If you take a glance on this list, on twitter, and in other corners of
the internets, there are a ton of folks sharing their legitimate
concerns about the broader issues in free software, FSF, and rms.
Singling out Mary-Anne (in all-caps?) for sharing articles written by
other
Actually I feel sorry now if what I posted was misinterpreted.
Spot on with the poem, Adrienne.
Let's create a good and welcoming Libreplanet 2020 for everyone. d:-)
GNU C-Graph is cool!
Best,
Ole Aamot
On Tue, Sep 17, 2019, 4:23 PM Adrienne G. Thompson
On Tue, September 17, 2019 12:04 pm, Ole Aamot wrote:
> Actually I feel sorry now if what I posted was misinterpreted.
By me? No. I am sorry the message that campaigned against Richard by MARY
ANNE WOLF made such a bad impression of him on people that have not
investigated the issue.
> Let's
Quiliro, I see you're at [1]riseup.net!
Your message has made Richard Stallman, an icon to human rights,
resign as
president of the board of directors and as president of the FSF.
As for me, I will stop preferring women for positions on free
software
technical
On Sun, September 15, 2019 12:35 pm, MARY-ANNE WOLF wrote:
> If Stallman is too stupid to understand that, the FSF needs to throw him
> out with force and distance itself from him as fast as they can, before
> FSF loses the support of most of its female supporters and a large
> fraction of its
My inbox is blowing up with this debate on RMS' and others morals. Can
we return to using this list for it's intended purposes in free software
and move the debate somewhere else?
Thank you
On 9/16/19 5:12 PM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 15, 2019 at 9:12 PM
> wrote:
>
>>
On Sun, Sep 15, 2019 at 9:12 PM
wrote:
> willing." Two two statements are, again, very different. Ongweso
> Jr.'s false paraphrase is about whether the young woman was willing.
> Stallman's is about how, under the circumstances, the young woman might
> have appeared to Minsky to be willing,
On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 4:06 PM Patrick 'P. J.' McDermott
wrote:
> I'm saddened to see the community rush to corners and tear itself apart
> over this. I really wish that either Stallman would not have even
> touched such a personal and controversial subject or that his words
> would not have
I have a weird opinion.
I don't exactly follow people.
I'm just following their ideas that I'm convinced of.
So if someone put up two ideas,
one good idea
and one bad idea
I'll follow the good idea.
and send the bad to /dev/null
so Take from RMS the ideas you're convinced of and leave the ones
On 2019-09-16 at 09:54, Caleb Herbert wrote:
> On 09/16/2019 06:54 AM, Patrick 'P. J.' McDermott wrote:
> > Reportedly though, Stallman's views "changed significantly"
> > by 2016 [6], and he confirmed on Saturday that "personal conversations
> > in recent years" have convinced him that sex
I don't think a situation where many people associate the free software
movement with misogyny and pedophilia is doing the movement any favors. And
that's where we are. I do feel emotionally about this because it is a huge
waste of my time to try and bring new people to this movement and then
On 09/16/2019 06:54 AM, Patrick 'P. J.' McDermott wrote:
> Reportedly though, Stallman's views "changed significantly"
> by 2016 [6], and he confirmed on Saturday that "personal conversations
> in recent years" have convinced him that sex between an adult and a
> child is wrong [7].
Yes, but
I've been an associate member of the FSF since 2012; an attendee of
LibrePlanet every year since 2013; and using, developing, and advocating
for free software longer than that. I have other organizational
affiliations, however I am writing in my personal capacity and opinions
expressed herein are
stance itself from him as fast as they can, before FSF loses
> the support of most of its female supporters and a large fraction of its more
> woke male supporters.
>
> Is Stallman nuts?
>
> Mary-Anne
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On Sun, 2019-09-15 at 13:35 -0400, MARY-ANNE WOLF wrote:
> https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/9ke3ke/famed-computer-scientist-richard-stallman-described-epstein-victims-as-entirely-willing
>
>
> https://medium.com/@selamie/remove-richard-stallman-fec6ec210794
>
>
> I have been a financial
t of most of its female supporters and a large fraction of its more
> woke male supporters.
>
>
> Is Stallman nuts?
>
>
> Mary-Anne
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On Sun, Sep 15, 2019 at 3:45 PM Thomas Lord wrote:
> I wanted to express my strong agreement with this, from Adrienne G.
> Thompson, part very strongly:
>
> "The fact that a young woman might have presented herself as "willing"
> does not absolve the alleged offender of rape if he knew - or in
On 15/09/2019 21:37, Betsy Garrett wrote:
I’m going to have to unsubscribe from this list until this discussion has
run its course.
Betsy, I was thinking exactly the same thing but it's unlikely I'll return.
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On September 15, 2019 3:37:23 PM GMT-05:00, Betsy Garrett
wrote:
>I’m going to have to unsubscribe from this list until this discussion
>has
>run its course.
>
>On Sun, Sep 15,
I wanted to express my strong agreement with this, from Adrienne G.
Thompson, part very strongly:
> "The fact that a young woman might have presented herself as "willing" does
> not absolve the alleged offender of rape if he knew - or in the case of
> someone of Minsky's stature where it would
Just put a filter in your mail client to move emails in this subject
line to /dev/null :P
On Sun, 15 Sep 2019 16:37:23 -0400 Betsy Garrett
wrote:
> I’m going to have to unsubscribe from this list until this discussion
> has run its course.
>
> On Sun, Sep 15, 2019 at 4:32 PM TechLibre
>
I wish stupid threads like this one didn't spam my inbox so much.
Stallman's stances have been documented on his blog for years. Get over
it.
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The right to privacy,
I’m going to have to unsubscribe from this list until this discussion has
run its course.
On Sun, Sep 15, 2019 at 4:32 PM TechLibre wrote:
> My 17 year old can't go to the US Virgin Islands with out my consent and
> neither did any of these young ladies without parental/state actor's help.
>
>
Typo:
> ... not to attempt to defend his idols (some of *whom *I, *personally*,
> know are not worth defending) and to get a female FSF colleague to censor
> all his comments pertaining to women before these comments go public.
>
- Yes, I tend do regard men who are not worth defending as
My 17 year old can't go to the US Virgin Islands with out my consent and
neither did any of these young ladies without parental/state actor's help.
The consent issue and very poor to criminal parenting are intertwined.
In a society where Billy Ray helps Hanna Montana become Miley, I guess we
On Sun, Sep 15, 2019 at 1:38 PM Thomas Lord wrote:
> Remarkably, in order to make their allegations against Stallman, both
> Selam G. and Edward Ongweso Jr. must speak untruthfully about what
> Stallman wrote.
>
Contrary to Stallman's comment that "the word 'assaulting' presumes that he
applied
Il 15 settembre 2019 21:40:03 CEST, MARY-ANNE WOLF ha
scritto:
>Let me make sure that I understand the distinction that is being
>claimed here. A young lady who is in fact young enough to be below the
>age of giving sexual consent "presents herself as being willing" to
>Epstein, an adult man
Let me make sure that I understand the distinction that is being claimed here.
A young lady who is in fact young enough to be below the age of giving sexual
consent "presents herself as being willing" to Epstein, an adult man aged over
21. This happens with multiple underage girls on more
given consent
>to sex, so the sex MUST have been rape as legally defined.
>
>
>If Stallman is too stupid to understand that, the FSF needs to throw
>him out with force and distance itself from him as fast as they can,
>before FSF loses the support of most of its female suppor
I have not read the commentary articles, nor do I intend to. I have, on the
other hand, read the comments by the FSF President and Board member on the
mailing list in question. They are entirely inappropriate comments for someone
in his public position to be making.
I spend my day job trying
can, before FSF
> loses the support of most of its female supporters and a large fraction of
> its more woke male supporters.
>
>
> Is Stallman nuts?
>
>
> Mary-Anne
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>
m as fast as they can, before FSF loses
> the support of most of its female supporters and a large fraction of its more
> woke male supporters.
>
> Is Stallman nuts?
>
> Mary-Anne
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Is Stallman nuts?
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