On 02/29/2016 02:12 AM, J.B. Nicholson wrote:
> So I'd bet other proprietors are in a similar position: they don't mind the
> GPL when they're the copyright holder and they can't effectively relicense
> a GPL'd program without competing against their own code. But they complain
> when they're
On 29/02/16 12:05, Fabio Pesari wrote:
> On 02/29/2016 11:18 AM, Daniel Pocock wrote:
>>
>> Very good, but not every person will respond like that
>
> One should be prepared for the worst case scenarios: that includes
> taking into consideration emotional, irrational and ignorant arguments.
>
>> This discussion wasn't about making money. It's about freedom to do
>> whatever you want with other people's code, even making it proprietary.
>
>But the point is that people make it about money pretty soon, and that
>it's an argument that needs to be addressed anyway.
Sure they might later
On 02/29/2016 10:54 AM, Daniel Pocock wrote:
>
> "Have you ever had a program that didn't just work exactly the way you
> wanted though?"
"Yes, but that also happens with FOSS programs. Even if a program is
open and in theory I could modify it, I can't program, so it's the same."
or
"Even so,
On 02/29/2016 01:10 PM, Yui Hirasawa wrote:
> Sure they might later bring up money. But I don't think we should be the
> ones to do that when the discussion is about freedom and "restrictions".
I didn't suggest that, I merely said that a developer that
philosophically agrees with copyleft might
On 02/29/2016 11:18 AM, Daniel Pocock wrote:
>
> Very good, but not every person will respond like that
One should be prepared for the worst case scenarios: that includes
taking into consideration emotional, irrational and ignorant arguments.
Those are very common among both professional
On 02/29/2016 12:43 PM, Yui Hirasawa wrote:
>
> This discussion wasn't about making money. It's about freedom to do
> whatever you want with other people's code, even making it proprietary.
But the point is that people make it about money pretty soon, and that
it's an argument that needs to be
I haven't seen anyone bring up one of the most important and compelling
GPL argument.
Let me first clarify the foundations. You don't worry about what the
person you're talking to has as their concerns, you talk about why they
GPL serves the concerns of the people who use the GPL, and the frame
On Mon, 2016-02-29 at 12:05 +0100, Fabio Pesari wrote:
> On 02/29/2016 11:18 AM, Daniel Pocock wrote:
> >
> > Very good, but not every person will respond like that
>
> One should be prepared for the worst case scenarios: that includes
> taking into consideration emotional, irrational and
On Sat, 2016-02-27 at 12:19 -0800, Aaron Wolf wrote:
> >
> > Practice Rapaport's Rules here and everywhere:
> >
> > “First, you must attempt to re-express your opponent’s position so
> > clearly, vividly, and fairly that your opponent says, ‘Thanks, I wish
> > I’d thought of putting it that
On 02/29/2016 02:10 PM, Fabio Pesari wrote:
> On 02/29/2016 05:33 PM, Aaron Wolf wrote:
>> So, with this approach, we end the GPL / copyleft focus and the
>> arguments then become about free software vs non-free broadly, and
>> that's a further different argument to deal with.
>
> Excellent post
On 02/29/2016 05:33 PM, Aaron Wolf wrote:
> So, with this approach, we end the GPL / copyleft focus and the
> arguments then become about free software vs non-free broadly, and
> that's a further different argument to deal with.
Excellent post as usual, Aaron! If someone is still interested in
On 29/02/16 10:33, Fabio Pesari wrote:
> On 02/29/2016 10:10 AM, Daniel Pocock wrote:
>>
>> Back to the theme of making the rebuttals conversational, another good
>> one could be:
>>
>> "Companies don't like the GPL"
>>
>> "Isn't that a good sign that the GPL is good for you as a user of
>>
On 02/29/2016 11:28 PM, Aaron Wolf wrote:
> Oh, this approach works just fine. +114 votes for my top comment that
> killed the entire FUD of a super-active bunch of arguing:
>
> https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/3e395n/why_i_am_progpl/ctb923f
Nice! But I'd like to see you try somewhere
On 02/29/2016 08:08 PM, Paul M wrote:
>
> Its important to realize that this is not actually an argument against
> the GPL, even if its presented as one.
>
> As an example there are some proprietary programs I rely upon as
> disability aids. There is no reasonable argument so say that I shouldn't
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