[LIB]Too [LIBRETTO]many [LIBBY]of [50CT]these [70T]for [100CT]the [110CT]list

2001-10-10 Thread Matthew Hanson

Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 07:06:55 +
From: "Matthew Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [LIB]Too [LIBRETTO]many [LIBBY]of [50CT]these [70T]for [100CT]the [110CT]list

Dan... RU there?  This must be your doing.  It's okay... but do we really 
need it?

Matt

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[LIB] Re: [LIBRETTO] Re: List software

2001-10-10 Thread pat

Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 22:14:47 -0700
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> Of course, we can all abuse you for not knowing Unix commands, I wonder
what the appropriate punishment is ... 

You probably think I cheated by using Pine instead of mail -  LOL




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Re: [LIB] Re: [LIBRETTO] Got a cheap old 56K modem to sell?

2001-10-10 Thread Matthew Hanson

Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 03:49:30 +
From: "Matthew Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [LIB] Re: [LIBRETTO] Got a cheap old 56K modem to sell?

>From: Michael Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: [LIBRETTO] Got a cheap old 56K modem to sell?
>
>You can buy an XJ1560 56k PCMICA card off ebay for about US$35, if
>their completed auctions are any guide (that's how I got mine.)  Is >that 
>sufficiently pauperish?

That's definitely in the ballpark. I saw a Xircom for $15 and a Diamond MM 
and one or two others for $25 (+S&H) doing a search on Pricewatch.com

Funny Bull Cotton's name came up.  I think it was Bill who said he had the 
Xircom ethernet/56.6K combo modem that Axiontech has been advertising as 
'pulls' for $56.  That looks enticing to me for networking the Libby to my 
PC back in CA.  This DCC parallel port connection is another thing that was 
old years ago!  Anyway, I'll call Axiontech and see if the Xircom is 
controller based and find out what S&H charges are.

Guess this might be stepping just above being pauperistic :-)  But not by a 
lot!

Matt



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[LIB] LCD brightness thing

2001-10-10 Thread Matthew Hanson

Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 03:35:16 +
From: "Matthew Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: LCD brightness thing

>From: Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

. oops I deleted your long post instead of clicking on 'reply' Ray.

A little of what you wrote sunk in... through a lot that was bouncing off my 
thick skull.  I realized that I really know very  little about just how LCD 
screens work.  Millions of transistors control millions of crystals that 
each display... either one pixel ... or one color for a pixel ... or both.  
Is there more than one crystal per pixel?  Are there 3 crystals of different 
colors focusing on one pixel on the surface of the screen?  Probably not.

I forgot much of what I read already.  The controller makes the crystals 
actually turn to let light pass through from what I understand.  I guess 
each crystal has an innate coloration, right?

I would still think that if a MUCH brighter light source is shined through 
the crystals, the color might get washed out.  Unless the crystals actually 
work like prisms that refract white light into bands of color.  Is that 
what's happening?  Perhaps it's not like white light going through a colored 
gel in front of a spotlight, as I initially thought.

Then there's the deal of the different elements that make up different 
layers of the LCD screen.  You mentioned something about a 'layer' (my term) 
that I didn't understand.  I also read where there's supposed to be panel's 
of glass.  Was that ages ago before the plastic front surfaces?  Or is there 
glass plates inside somewhere.

Hmmm... back to search the web for "notebook LCD construction"

Matt


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[LIB] Re: [LIBRETTO] Got a cheap old 56K modem to sell?

2001-10-10 Thread Matthew Hanson

Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 03:16:27 +
From: "Matthew Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [LIBRETTO] Got a cheap old 56K modem to sell?

>From: "neil barnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: [LIBRETTO] Got a cheap old 56K modem to sell?
>
>Humph. I have an external 56k modem on the firewall at home which is 
>perfect
>in every way except one - the bloody thing's gone deaf. I'm having
>difficulty even *finding* modems that don't connect through that
>nevertobesufficientlydamned USB connector.
>
>Neil

Heh!  An eternal modem hooked up to a Libretto!  You ARE old school Neil :-) 
  It's just too cool to see what all those little lights are talking about 
huh?

Matt




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[LIB] Re: What's happening with this list?!? [LIBRETTO]

2001-10-10 Thread Matthew Hanson

Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 03:13:15 +
From: "Matthew Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What's happening with this list?!? [LIBRETTO]

>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: What's happening with this list?!?  [LIBRETTO]
>
>The last message I sent has come back via the list with the message as an 
>attachment - I didn't send it like that and I've never had one of my 
>messages come back that way before...?

This came through to me as a usual post from the list too.  Must be some 
demons at you end, or along the way.

Matt


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[LIB] Libretto 1100V drivers/upgrades

2001-10-10 Thread Eugene Yu

Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 23:06:54 -0400
From: Eugene Yu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Libretto 1100V drivers/upgrades

Hi-
I was having trouble configuring my libretto's modem and 
camera.  Does anyone know where I can get upgraded drivers for 
these. Any information would be of help.



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([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

> Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 02:46:10 +
> From: "Matthew Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [LIBRETTO] Re: Nuts and bolts of impoving LCD 
brightness
> 
> >From: "neil barnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: Re: [LIBRETTO] Re: Nuts and bolts of impoving LCD 
brightness
> >
> >No, I think you might find it easiest to physically remove 
the
> >wires...though there may be a bios call that kills the 
power - come to 
> >think of it, there must be...
> 
> That probably should have read, "come to think of it, there 
SHOULD
> be..." 
> huh Neil!
> 
> 
> 
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[LIB] RE: [LIBRETTO] Raymond's Solar Reply

2001-10-10 Thread Mike Ward

Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 23:04:25 -0400
From: "Mike Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: [LIBRETTO] Raymond's Solar Reply

Try these pages. They are about someone doing essentially the same thing you
are planning.

http://www.kenkifer.com/bikepages/touring/laptop.htm
http://www.briandesousa.com/bicycling/bikecurrent/solar.htm

Ken Kifer wrote a few messages on the subject in the Libretto list back in
the spring of 2000. He also recommended this page:
http://www.bicyclinglife.com/

Try these pages of the archives for some of Ken's messages:
http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive/digest949.htm
http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive/digest950.htm

I hope this helps.

Mike

-Original Message-
From: Daniel Thompson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 8:00 AM
To: Libretto
Subject: [LIBRETTO] Raymond's Solar Reply


Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 11:56:56 +0100
From: "Daniel Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Raymond's Solar Reply

Would "brownout" occur due to lack of Voltage or lack of
Amperage.

I plan on charging most of the day, with minimal use in the
evening.

There exist bike mountable units which could supply as much
as 20 Watts at 15 Volts in direct sunlight. This would
charge a Lib as per a mains transformer. However, what
troubles me is that the Power fluctuation inherent may cause
the lib circuitry to reject a diminished supply
current/voltage. This would not be a problem in itself, but
would be a problem if prolonged exposure to Power
fluctuation damaged either circuitry or battery.

Can anyone recommend a solar guru? Will anyone give me Bill
Cotten's address?

Thanks
Dan




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[LIB] Re: [LIBRETTO] Re: Nuts and bolts of impoving LCD brightness

2001-10-10 Thread Matthew Hanson

Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 02:46:10 +
From: "Matthew Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [LIBRETTO] Re: Nuts and bolts of impoving LCD brightness

>From: "neil barnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: [LIBRETTO] Re: Nuts and bolts of impoving LCD brightness
>
>No, I think you might find it easiest to physically remove the
>wires...though there may be a bios call that kills the power - come to 
>think of it, there must be...

That probably should have read, "come to think of it, there SHOULD be..." 
huh Neil!



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Re: [LIB] Re: [LIBRETTO] Re: Nuts and bolts of impoving LCD

2001-10-10 Thread Matthew Hanson

Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 02:36:12 +
From: "Matthew Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [LIB] Re: [LIBRETTO] Re: Nuts and bolts of impoving LCD

I'm so slow... It's just dawning on me that Neil was having me do what he'd 
suggested when we were troubleshooting my dead 70CT LCD to see if the lamp 
was bad.  With a working unit up and running, monitor drivers enabled and 
everything going except the LCD lamp... the system is sending an image to 
the screen, but without the bulb, you won't see anything. But take it 
outside, which Neil had me do with my booted 70CT with the black screen... 
let the sun hit it... and I guess the sun provides enough of a source to 
create an image.  Unfortunately that didn't end up to be my problem.

So my suggestion of disabling the monitor in Device Manager, and activating 
the lid switch would shut down the LCD totally, keeping the signal from 
getting there to begin with.

Maybe when I get around to switching the LCDs (burnt pixel in one), I can 
experiment with this Neil.  Lets see, what decade shall I bet on my doing

Matt



>From: Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: [LIB] Re: [LIBRETTO] Re: Nuts and bolts of impoving LCD
>   brightness
>
>At 12:51 PM 10/10/2001 -0700, you wrote:
> >Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 15:38:22 -0400 (EDT)
> >From: Michael Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: Re: [LIBRETTO] Re: Nuts and bolts of impoving LCD brightness
> >
> >> >>Matt - if you want to see how effective sunlight is once it's been 
>twice
> >> >>past the LCD, fire up your machine with the lamp driver 
>disconnected...you
> >> >>can see the image...just...
> >> >How does one do that.  Set the monitor to 'disable in this hardware
> >> >profile in device manager?
> >>
> >> No, I think you might find it easiest to physically remove the
> >> wires...though there may be a bios call that kills the power - come to 
>think
> >> of it, there must be...
> >
> >Will pressing the "lid closing sensor switch" (the one by the hinge) do
> >the job?  (Not by my Libby's side right now, so I can't check.)
>
>That'd totally disable the panel (ie turn off the LCD as well as the 
>backlight) - sorta defeating the purpose. Of course, it'd be easier just to 
>take your libby out in full sunlight - the backlight becomes negligible.
>
>- Raymond


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Re: [LIB] Re: [LIBRETTO] Re: Nuts and bolts of impoving LCD

2001-10-10 Thread Raymond

Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 09:22:06 +0800
From: Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [LIB] Re: [LIBRETTO] Re: Nuts and bolts of impoving LCD
  brightness

At 12:51 PM 10/10/2001 -0700, you wrote:
>Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 15:38:22 -0400 (EDT)
>From: Michael Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: [LIBRETTO] Re: Nuts and bolts of impoving LCD brightness
>
>> >>Matt - if you want to see how effective sunlight is once it's been twice
>> >>past the LCD, fire up your machine with the lamp driver disconnected...you
>> >>can see the image...just...
>> >How does one do that.  Set the monitor to 'disable in this hardware 
>> >profile in device manager?
>> 
>> No, I think you might find it easiest to physically remove the 
>> wires...though there may be a bios call that kills the power - come to think 
>> of it, there must be...
>
>Will pressing the "lid closing sensor switch" (the one by the hinge) do
>the job?  (Not by my Libby's side right now, so I can't check.)

That'd totally disable the panel (ie turn off the LCD as well as the backlight) - 
sorta defeating the purpose. Of course, it'd be easier just to take your libby out in 
full sunlight - the backlight becomes negligible.

- Raymond




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Re: [LIB] Re: [LIBRETTO] Raymond's Solar Reply

2001-10-10 Thread Matthew Hanson

Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 20:59:00 +
From: "Matthew Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [LIB] Re: [LIBRETTO] Raymond's Solar Reply

Not a lot of time to reply to much else righnt now, but this is quick.  
Found Bill's address in some old saved files:

 [EMAIL PROTECTED]


>From: "Eiren K. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: [LIBRETTO] Raymond's Solar Reply
>
>Couldn't you get Bill Cotten's address from the archives?
>
>-e.




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[LIB] Re: [LIBRETTO] Raymond's Solar Reply

2001-10-10 Thread Eiren K. Smith

Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 16:22:50 -0400
From: "Eiren K. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [LIBRETTO] Raymond's Solar Reply

Couldn't you get Bill Cotten's address from the archives?

-e. 


- Original Message - 
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To: "Libretto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: 10 October 2001 7:59 AM
Subject: [LIBRETTO] Raymond's Solar Reply

> Can anyone recommend a solar guru? Will anyone give me Bill
> Cotten's address?
> 
> Thanks
> Dan
> 
> 
> 





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[LIB] Re: [LIBRETTO] Re: Nuts and bolts of impoving LCD brightness

2001-10-10 Thread Michael Miller

Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 15:38:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: Michael Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [LIBRETTO] Re: Nuts and bolts of impoving LCD brightness

> >>Matt - if you want to see how effective sunlight is once it's been twice
> >>past the LCD, fire up your machine with the lamp driver disconnected...you
> >>can see the image...just...
> >How does one do that.  Set the monitor to 'disable in this hardware 
> >profile in device manager?
> 
> No, I think you might find it easiest to physically remove the 
> wires...though there may be a bios call that kills the power - come to think 
> of it, there must be...

Will pressing the "lid closing sensor switch" (the one by the hinge) do
the job?  (Not by my Libby's side right now, so I can't check.)

MM




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[LIB] Re: [LIBRETTO] Got a cheap old 56K modem to sell?

2001-10-10 Thread Michael Miller

Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 15:34:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: Michael Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [LIBRETTO] Got a cheap old 56K modem to sell?

> Does anyone have a reasonable old 56K PC card that they'd like to sell at a 
> pauper's price?  Maybe I should find the URL for the place selling that 
> Xircom combo modem I never sprung for!

You can buy an XJ1560 56k PCMICA card off ebay for about US$35, if
their completed auctions are any guide (that's how I got mine.)  Is that
sufficiently pauperish?




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Re: [LIB] Re: Subject: [LIBRETTO]

2001-10-10 Thread E. Smith

Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 13:39:21 -0400
From: "E. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [LIB] Re: Subject:
   
   [LIBRETTO]

Same for me. I have them automatically moved to another folder based on the
To: e-mail address. Putting [LIBRETTO] in the subject is just clutter for
me. In fact, since it started a few days ago, I've pretty much stopped
reading the messages.

-e.




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Sent: 10 October 2001 12:34 PM
Subject: [LIB] Re: Subject: [LIBRETTO]


> Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 09:28:40 -0700
> From: "Jason Kim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Subject:
[LIBRETTO]
>
> I filter Libretto list messages into a new folder by email address (it's
> always the same) ... for me, adding [LIBRETTO] to every message is just
> redundant. No comment.
>
> Admittedly, I am subscribed to other lists that work the same way.
>
> -Jason
>
>
> - Original Message -
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> To: "Libretto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 6:30 AM
> Subject: Re: Subject: [LIBRETTO]
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> > Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 06:23:59 -0700 (PDT)
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[LIB] Re: Subject: [LIBRETTO]

2001-10-10 Thread Jason Kim

Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 09:28:40 -0700
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I filter Libretto list messages into a new folder by email address (it's
always the same) ... for me, adding [LIBRETTO] to every message is just
redundant. No comment.

Admittedly, I am subscribed to other lists that work the same way.

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RE: [LIBRETTO] Solar Lib on Cycle Tour: Bill Cotten?

2001-10-10 Thread Joe Crosby

Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 09:40:53 -0500
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Subject: RE: [LIBRETTO] Solar Lib on Cycle Tour: Bill Cotten?

Look at this site,
http://www.powerexperts.com/Products/Sun_Catcher_Mobile_Power/sun_catcher_mo
bile_power.htm

"Run or recharge just about any notebook computer, mobile phone, GPS, or
digital cameras with one of our Sun Catchers.  From Mt. Everest to the
Amazon to the park or beach, solar powering and recharging with Sun Catcher
products provides ultimate mobility."

Price ranges from $109 - $399 depending on model.  Power output 4.2 watts -
25 watts.

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Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 22:26:14 +0100
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Subject: Solar Lib on Cycle Tour: Bill Cotten?

I am planning to cycle from Scotland to Japan. I need to
power a libretto 100CT and a satellite phone while on the
road.

I have no clue. I don't know anything about solar panels or
problems encountered in use of. I would appreciate any
pointers.

Please help

Dan




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Re: [LIBRETTO] Raymond's Solar Reply

2001-10-10 Thread Raymond

Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 22:34:35 +0800
From: Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [LIBRETTO] Raymond's Solar Reply


>>>There exist bike mountable units which could supply as much
>>>as 20 Watts at 15 Volts in direct sunlight.
>>
>>Yes, in DIRECT sunlight. Those claims vary wildly - you'd do well to actually try it 
>out because I doubt you'll constantly have full summer sun falling onto that thing. 
>Take their claims with a very large grain of salt - a bit like laptop battery life 
>claims ;-)
>
>Solar energy outside the atmosphere as around 1300W/m^2, around 50% of this makes it 
>to sea level. Efficiencies of solar cells seem to top out at around 25% - so you'd 
>need an area of around 0.12m^2 at the equator, at noon...probably four times that to 
>have any chance of making enough energy at other latitudes/times of day - this is in 
>danger of becoming a wing :)

Well the 20 watt 12 volt polycrystalline cell I'm looking at now (its actually a 16.8 
volt panel but they assume some load) has a size of 50cm by 42cm ... 0.21m^2 ... those 
dimensions however wouldn't be too hard to fit onto a bicycle one would imagine ... 
you'd need bigger if the panel is flexible amorphous though ... bear in mind that 
you'll need to keep your panel REALLY clean if you want good power out of it - even if 
only one section is dirty it'll reduce the current that can go through the system and 
therefore the efficiency of the other sections.

Of course, if you wanted a wing there's a 80 watt 12 volt panel available thats 
50x145cm = 0.725m^2 if you want ;-)

It just occurs to me though, with something that size you could always turn it into a 
'roof' for your bike I guess ... hehe


- Raymond




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Re: [LIBRETTO] Raymond's Solar Reply

2001-10-10 Thread Raymond

Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 22:28:39 +0800
From: Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [LIBRETTO] Raymond's Solar Reply


>>Would "brownout" occur due to lack of Voltage or lack of
>>Amperage.
>
>Well the solar panel has a reasonably high internal resistance so the answer to your 
>question is both - an inability by the panel to supply sufficient current (eg. under 
>clouds, trees, etc.) will result in an increase in internal resistance resulting in a 
>lack of voltage at the output.

Oh ya and before someone picks me up on playing fast-and-loose with terminology I'll 
better clarify ... the panel can only supply as much power as there is light hitting 
it, subtract some energy conversion premium. The result is that the voltage you get 
out of the panel is roughly inversely proportional to the current you draw out - 
obviously if you draw no current you get the most voltage and if you short the 
terminals (ie. no voltage) you get the most current. This can be approximated by a 
line with negative slope - a 'load line' that is quite steep for a solar panel and 
gets steeper as the amount of light available decreases (the slope being represented 
by the internal resistance I talked about earlier). 

The Libby won't like this as its used to a perfectly flat horizontal load line (which 
is what the libby's transformer provides - up to a good 2 or 3 amps you'd have minimal 
voltage change). Thats why I said you can't really treat the solar panel like the 
libby's plugpack for charging purposes - not only is there a slope to the load line on 
the panel but that slope will move around as lighting conditions change. 

Solar battery chargers on the other hand would be designed with this in mind and will 
cut charging as appropriate or perhaps reconfigure the panel or the pack so that the 
lower voltage can still charge the pack but at a lower charging rate. Such regulators 
seem pretty easy to come by - flipping through a catalogue now there's a suitable 
regulator which will work off a 16 to 20 volt panel and charge a 12 volt lead acid 
cell at a maximum current of 1.5A (I doubt you'll get this much out of your panel but 
it'll compensate) for about $10.00USD or so. Other regulators which can boost voltage 
(assuming your panel can supply enough current or if your panels are rigged in 
parallel, perhaps for redundancy or ease of isolation?) are also available for similar 
prices. They also do nice things like reverse current blocking (because the solar 
panel works both ways, you may accidentally turn it into a heater at night if you 
leave the battery connected!).

Hope this helps! :-)

- Raymond




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Re: [LIBRETTO] Raymond's Solar Reply

2001-10-10 Thread neil barnes

Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 14:12:26
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Subject: Re: [LIBRETTO] Raymond's Solar Reply


> >There exist bike mountable units which could supply as much
> >as 20 Watts at 15 Volts in direct sunlight.
>
>Yes, in DIRECT sunlight. Those claims vary wildly - you'd do well to 
>actually try it out because I doubt you'll constantly have full summer sun 
>falling onto that thing. Take their claims with a very large grain of salt 
>- a bit like laptop battery life claims ;-)
>

Solar energy outside the atmosphere as around 1300W/m^2, around 50% of this 
makes it to sea level. Efficiencies of solar cells seem to top out at around 
25% - so you'd need an area of around 0.12m^2 at the equator, at 
noon...probably four times that to have any chance of making enough energy 
at other latitudes/times of day - this is in danger of becoming a wing :)

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Re: Can we shift this PITA [LIBRETTO] prefix?

2001-10-10 Thread Raymond

Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 21:59:27 +0800
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Subject: Re: Can we shift this PITA [LIBRETTO] prefix?


>If not, can it be shortened to [Lib]?

That gets my vote ... I don't read these posts on my PDA but I can imagine it getting 
annoying if screen real-estate is at a premium ...

- Raymond




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Re: [LIBRETTO] A big problem

2001-10-10 Thread Raymond

Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 21:58:14 +0800
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>Obviously you have no idea of how a Li-ion battery dies.

How does a Li-Ion pack die? I've got a 6.5 year old Tecra 500CT with the original 
3.6AH LiIon pack still giving me 1.5 hours of runtime per charge.

- Raymond




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Re: [LIBRETTO] Raymond's Solar Reply

2001-10-10 Thread Raymond

Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 21:56:54 +0800
From: Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [LIBRETTO] Raymond's Solar Reply


>Would "brownout" occur due to lack of Voltage or lack of
>Amperage.

Well the solar panel has a reasonably high internal resistance so the answer to your 
question is both - an inability by the panel to supply sufficient current (eg. under 
clouds, trees, etc.) will result in an increase in internal resistance resulting in a 
lack of voltage at the output.


>I plan on charging most of the day, with minimal use in the
>evening.

Thats probably the best option - like I said, you DON'T want to run electrical stuff 
straight off a solar panel (unless its pretty tolerant like a little motor or a clock 
or something). You'd be better off probably charging an external pack (ie. NOT the 
Libretto's internal pack - in fact you might want to junk that altogether). 


>There exist bike mountable units which could supply as much
>as 20 Watts at 15 Volts in direct sunlight.

Yes, in DIRECT sunlight. Those claims vary wildly - you'd do well to actually try it 
out because I doubt you'll constantly have full summer sun falling onto that thing. 
Take their claims with a very large grain of salt - a bit like laptop battery life 
claims ;-)


>However, what
>troubles me is that the Power fluctuation inherent may cause
>the lib circuitry to reject a diminished supply
>current/voltage. 

Thats why you charge an external pack. There are circuits out there that'll regulate 
your power for you so the battery charges nicely even as your panel illumination 
fluctuates wildly (remember, the battery doesn't care if it charges a bit at a time). 


>This would not be a problem in itself, but
>would be a problem if prolonged exposure to Power
>fluctuation damaged either circuitry or battery.

It'd probably confuse the hell outa the libby, certainly the charge regulator in it 
will keep cutting out on you. LIke I said, a regulator circuit designed for use with 
solar panels would be your best bet charging a totally separate battery pack (which 
you could then use to run both your satphone and your libby, both without their 
internal battery packs). 


>Can anyone recommend a solar guru? Will anyone give me Bill
>Cotten's address?

Who's Bill Cotten?


- Raymond




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Re: [LIBRETTO] Re: [LIBBY] What's happening with this list?!? testing...

2001-10-10 Thread neil barnes

Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 13:40:39
From: "neil barnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [LIBRETTO] Re: [LIBBY] What's happening with this list?!? testing...

I assume you replaced the originally added [libretto] with [libby]?


>Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 09:11:42 -0400
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>My turn to test.. :o)
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Re: Subject: [LIBRETTO]

2001-10-10 Thread Christian Kuiphoff

Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 06:23:59 -0700 (PDT)
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Why?  I prefer it on.  Now I can sort my incoming better.  All
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[LIBRETTO] Re: [LIBBY] What's happening with this list?!? testing...

2001-10-10 Thread Jon C

Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 09:11:42 -0400
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Subject: Re: [LIBBY] What's happening with this list?!? testing...

My turn to test.. :o)

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Re: [LIBRETTO] A big problem

2001-10-10 Thread Lawrence Young

Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 09:10:38 -0400
From: "Lawrence Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [LIBRETTO] A big problem


- Original Message -
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> Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 09:08:59 +0800
> From: Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [LIBRETTO] A big problem
>
>
> >Sorry, batteries have its own limited life span whether you like it or
not.
>
> I don't think batteries would die that quickly ... certainly not overnight
like that. I had the same problem on an old Compaq LTE Lite/25 (a 386 with a
NiMH pack) ... battery was fine, accidentally ran it right down and it never
detected the pack again. The scary thing is it never detected ANY pack
again. The motherboard blew a month or so later (unrelated - I have a habit
of soldering my projects straight to the motherboards of old computers ;-)
so that solved THAT problem for me ...


Obviously you have no idea of how a Li-ion battery dies.

Lawrence




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[LIBRETTO] What's happening with this list?!? testing...

2001-10-10 Thread neil barnes

Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 12:52:04
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Subject: What's happening with this list?!? testing...

Just for curiousity - let's see what happens to this :)

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Re: What's happening with this list?!? [LIBRETTO]

2001-10-10 Thread Daniel Thompson

Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 12:59:14 +0100
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Subject: Re: What's happening with this list?!?  [LIBRETTO]

Must be your end? Bit grim eh!!!

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[LIBRETTO] Raymond's Solar Reply

2001-10-10 Thread Daniel Thompson

Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 11:56:56 +0100
From: "Daniel Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Raymond's Solar Reply

Would "brownout" occur due to lack of Voltage or lack of
Amperage.

I plan on charging most of the day, with minimal use in the
evening.

There exist bike mountable units which could supply as much
as 20 Watts at 15 Volts in direct sunlight. This would
charge a Lib as per a mains transformer. However, what
troubles me is that the Power fluctuation inherent may cause
the lib circuitry to reject a diminished supply
current/voltage. This would not be a problem in itself, but
would be a problem if prolonged exposure to Power
fluctuation damaged either circuitry or battery.

Can anyone recommend a solar guru? Will anyone give me Bill
Cotten's address?

Thanks
Dan




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RE: What's happening with this list?!? [LIBRETTO]

2001-10-10 Thread Grebe, Dave

Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 05:34:24 -0400
From: "Grebe, Dave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: What's happening with this list?!?  [LIBRETTO]

Must be your end... No attachments came in at this end.

Dave <-- Don't read mail he has to open more than once.

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Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 16:45:33 +0700
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Subject: What's happening with this list?!?  [LIBRETTO]

The last message I sent has come back via the list with the message as an
attachment - I didn't send it like that and I've never had one of my
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Re: [LIBRETTO] Got a cheap old 56K modem to sell?

2001-10-10 Thread neil barnes

Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 09:31:56
From: "neil barnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [LIBRETTO] Got a cheap old 56K modem to sell?

>Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 08:31:54 +
>From: "Matthew Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Got a cheap old 56K modem to sell?

>Does anyone have a reasonable old 56K PC card that they'd like to sell at a
>pauper's price?  Maybe I should find the URL for the place selling that
>Xircom combo modem I never sprung for!
>
>Matt

Humph. I have an external 56k modem on the firewall at home which is perfect 
in every way except one - the bloody thing's gone deaf. I'm having 
difficulty even *finding* modems that don't connect through that 
nevertobesufficientlydamned USB connector.

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What's happening with this list?!? [LIBRETTO]

2001-10-10 Thread fubarlibretto

Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 16:45:33 +0700
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Subject: What's happening with this list?!?  [LIBRETTO]

The last message I sent has come back via the list with the message as an
attachment - I didn't send it like that and I've never had one of my
messages come back that way before...?





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Re: Subject: [LIBRETTO]

2001-10-10 Thread fubarlibretto

Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 16:24:49 +0700
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> Did I miss a thread on this?  When was [LIBRETTO] added to the beginning
> of every subject, and why?

Hopefully it's just some optional feature of the mailing list software
that's been switched on in error and that can be [SWITCHED OFF]




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Subject: [LIBRETTO]

2001-10-10 Thread Matthew Hanson

Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 08:47:24 +
From: "Matthew Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Subject: [LIBRETTO]

Did I miss a thread on this?  When was [LIBRETTO] added to the beginning of 
every subject, and why?  What else are we discussing here... and when we're 
NOT discussing Librettos, like that solar charger question... why is it 
still there on the subject line?

I feel like the scarecrow in 'The Wizard of Oz" during most of my 'thinking' 
daze.

Matt




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[LIBRETTO] Got a cheap old 56K modem to sell?

2001-10-10 Thread Matthew Hanson

Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 08:31:54 +
From: "Matthew Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Got a cheap old 56K modem to sell?

Man... this poking around the net with 3-4 browser windows searching, and my 
old 33.6 modem, along with these horrible FL dial-up access servers, is 
really getting old!

Of course I'd really love broadband... but I'd also like an income of some 
kind :-0

Does anyone have a reasonable old 56K PC card that they'd like to sell at a 
pauper's price?  Maybe I should find the URL for the place selling that 
Xircom combo modem I never sprung for!

Matt

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Re: [LIBRETTO] Solar Lib on Cycle Tour: Bill Cotten?

2001-10-10 Thread Matthew Hanson

Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 08:14:31 +
From: "Matthew Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [LIBRETTO] Solar Lib on Cycle Tour: Bill Cotten?

>From: "Daniel Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Solar Lib on Cycle Tour: Bill Cotten?
>
>I am planning to cycle from Scotland to Japan. I need to
>power a libretto 100CT and a satellite phone while on the
>road.

Scotland to JAPAN!!  You're one serious touring biker.  I used to work for 
Jim Blackburn out in Campbell, CA ... the guy who first designed stable 
pannier (sp) carriers  ... and occasionally a few folks like you would drop 
in on their way to Canada from Tierra del Fuego or some such trip!  More 
power to you.  I'm only able to truck-camper down to Mexico occasionally.

But someone must be selling something that would take advantage of all the 
turning of the wheels.  I know bikers don't like the idea of drag... but 
with the amount of power needed vs. the time you're going to be peddling, 
I'd think the amount of drag to charge the libby one day, and the phone the 
next, wouldn't be to bad.  You may need a substantial solar array to power 
both each day.

Matt



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Re: [LIBRETTO] Solar Lib on Cycle Tour: Bill Cotten?

2001-10-10 Thread Christian Gennerat

Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 09:51:45 +0200
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Subject: Re: [LIBRETTO] Solar Lib on Cycle Tour: Bill Cotten?

I remember  somebody have done this.
When ?
Look in the archive of the list





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Can we shift this PITA [LIBRETTO] prefix?

2001-10-10 Thread fubarlibretto

Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 14:31:54 +0700
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Subject: Can we shift this PITA [LIBRETTO] prefix?

I note that the [LIBRETTO] that gets automatically appended to the beginning
of the Subject: line is only appended if [LIBRETTO] does not already occur;
and so I figure that any practical purpose it serves is not dependant on its
position within the Subject:.

If we really do have to have it, can it be added as a suffix instead of as a
prefix, so it's not hogging the space that's most visible/valuable when
looking for specific subjects/messages?

If not, can it be shortened to [Lib]?

Please please please???

In the meantime, everything I post is going to have [LIBRETTO] at the end of
the subject line!




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