Re: [LIB] List problem?

2002-04-08 Thread Pres Waterman

Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 11:39:48 -0400
From: Pres Waterman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [LIB] List problem?

> My head hurts trying to understand the focal length of a pinhole and my
Libretto


PinHOLE? All along I thought we were talking about pinHEADs. No wonder it
seemed somehow relevant

Thanks

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Re: [LIB] List problem?

2002-04-08 Thread Keith

Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 09:36:32 +0100
From: "Keith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [LIB] List problem?

>I think the only list problem is that there has been extensive discussion of
>focal length of lenses. Unless you figure the fact that you were reading the
>messages on a Libretto enough to keep it relevant to Librettos.

:-)

Surely the reason people are using these lenses is to make all PCs look as small
as the Libretto? Does it work on your skirts as well Pres? :-)

I agree with Pres though, can we move away from cameras and back to Librettos?
My head hurts trying to understand the focal length of a pinhole and my Libretto
can't handle all these OT messages and I don't want to have to unscribble.

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Re: [LIB] List problem?

2002-04-07 Thread Pres Waterman

Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 20:40:35 -0400
From: Pres Waterman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [LIB] List problem?


> H... I haven't seen any posts here for a couple of days, and checking
in
> Mike's archives, I don't see my last post on focal length of lenses.  So
I'm
> posting this to test the system.


I think the only list problem is that there has been extensive discussion of
focal length of lenses. Unless you figure the fact that you were reading the
messages on a Libretto enough to keep it relevant to Librettos.

Thanks

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Re: [LIB] List problem?

2002-04-07 Thread Michael Kopplin

Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 17:41:59 -0700 (MST)
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Subject: Re: [LIB] List problem?


On Sun, 7 Apr 2002, Matthew Hanson wrote:

> H... I haven't seen any posts here for a couple of days, and checking in
> Mike's archives, I don't see my last post on focal length of lenses.  So I'm
> posting this to test the system.

It seems posts were held up today until a short while ago. Posts
don't add to my archive in real time, just in batches, currently
once per day. So they're not a good barometer of what the list
is doing right now, only the past.

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[LIB] List problem?

2002-04-07 Thread Matthew Hanson

Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 18:07:53 +
From: "Matthew Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: List problem?

H... I haven't seen any posts here for a couple of days, and checking in 
Mike's archives, I don't see my last post on focal length of lenses.  So I'm 
posting this to test the system.

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RE: [LIB] List problem?

2002-02-08 Thread phillip ramirez

Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 18:45:59 -0600
From: "phillip ramirez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: [LIB] List problem?

Well this was like a year ago.. Like I said I don’t knw what the deal
was. Was strange to me.. Then sent it to avert and never heard from them


-Original Message-
From: Raymond [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 6:45 PM
To: Libretto
Subject: RE: [LIB] List problem?


Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 08:39:41 +0800
From: Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: [LIB] List problem?

At 11:49 AM 8/02/2002 -0800, you wrote:
>Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 13:44:21 -0600
>From: "phillip ramirez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: RE: [LIB] List problem?
>
>Yea I don’t know.. Just know when I opened this jpg file. I found the 6

>files I just deleted.. Anyway don’t know.. Maybe it was a hidden ext. 
>but I made sure that show known ext was turned on.. I have also read 
>that there was the ability to embed a script file.. Sad thing is I was 
>unable to detect the troj with any scanner.. But was walked through 
>getting rid of the thing anyway ill have to see if I can find that 
>article..

Perhaps the viewing program was infected? Or there was a buffer overflow
being exploited in the viewing program or the OS? Or is he running any
sorta script that may have a backdoor (eg. Polaris)? Perhaps his copy of
IRC client isn't clean?

Many possibilities!


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RE: [LIB] List problem?

2002-02-08 Thread Raymond

Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 08:39:41 +0800
From: Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: [LIB] List problem?

At 11:49 AM 8/02/2002 -0800, you wrote:
>Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 13:44:21 -0600
>From: "phillip ramirez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: RE: [LIB] List problem?
>
>Yea I don’t know.. Just know when I opened this jpg file. I found the 6
>files I just deleted.. Anyway don’t know.. Maybe it was a hidden ext.
>but I made sure that show known ext was turned on.. I have also read
>that there was the ability to embed a script file.. Sad thing is I was
>unable to detect the troj with any scanner.. But was walked through
>getting rid of the thing anyway ill have to see if I can find that
>article.. 

Perhaps the viewing program was infected? Or there was a buffer overflow being 
exploited in the viewing program or the OS? Or is he running any sorta script that may 
have a backdoor (eg. Polaris)? Perhaps his copy of IRC client isn't clean?

Many possibilities!


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Really hidden file extensions - was Re: [LIB] List problem?

2002-02-08 Thread Michael Miller

Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 17:14:05 -0500 (EST)
From: Michael Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Really hidden file extensions - was Re: [LIB] List problem?

> Most email viruses that disguise itself as JPG is just exploiting one
> Windows Explore feature: hiding file extensions of known file types. So a
> virus named vir.jpg.exe or something similar will show up in your email as
> vir.jpg instead. If you look carefully, the icon is different. Always
> uncheck the above option in Explorer's Folder Option menu and you will never
> be fooled again.

Never say "never".  ;-)

Windows apparently has some REALLY hidden extensions.  See eg 
http://www.cert.org/incident_notes/IN-2000-07.html  which says, in part:

  Windows operating systems contain an option to "Hide file extensions
  for known file types"... After disabling this option, there are still
  some file extensions that, by default, will continue to remain hidden
  from the user... One such extension, ".SHS", is associated with Shell
  Scrap Object files...and can include executable contents.

and  http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/vbs.stages.a.html
which describes an mIRC-based worm that exploits the above.

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RE: [LIB] List problem?

2002-02-08 Thread phillip ramirez

Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 15:14:13 -0600
From: "phillip ramirez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: [LIB] List problem?

I agree.. But it might have been something else. I don’t know was just
one of those hmm kinda deals.. I sent it to avert but they never replied

-Original Message-
From: neil barnes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 3:05 PM
To: Libretto
Subject: RE: [LIB] List problem?


Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 21:01:00
From: "neil barnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: [LIB] List problem?


>Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 13:03:10 -0600
>From: "phillip ramirez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: RE: [LIB] List problem?
>
>Again JPG is not just an ext. its also a compression.. Uuencoding 
>basicly just the editors and viewers allow you to decode the 
>uuencoder..

Sounds like it might be an exe (or group of exes) disguised as a jpg and
the 
uuencoded...I cannot believe that people still write software that
executes 
attachments :(



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RE: [LIB] List problem?

2002-02-08 Thread neil barnes

Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 21:01:00
From: "neil barnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: [LIB] List problem?


>Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 13:03:10 -0600
>From: "phillip ramirez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: RE: [LIB] List problem?
>
>Again JPG is not just an ext. its also a compression.. Uuencoding
>basicly just the editors and viewers allow you to decode the uuencoder..

Sounds like it might be an exe (or group of exes) disguised as a jpg and the 
uuencoded...I cannot believe that people still write software that executes 
attachments :(



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RE: [LIB] List problem?

2002-02-08 Thread phillip ramirez

Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 14:10:40 -0600
From: "phillip ramirez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: [LIB] List problem?

Ok my bad.. I havent been able to find the article.. Thought it was in
my favs but it isnt and everything I read says that it cant be done.. I
swore thought that it could.. Anyway sorry for the alarm

-Original Message-
From: Lawrence Young [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 1:35 PM
To: Libretto
Subject: Re: [LIB] List problem?


Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 14:31:03 -0500
From: "Lawrence Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [LIB] List problem?


- Original Message -
From: "phillip ramirez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Libretto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 2:01 PM
Subject: RE: [LIB] List problem?


> Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 12:57:50 -0600
> From: "phillip ramirez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: RE: [LIB] List problem?
>
> The jpg is a compression from not just an ext. when you execute the 
> JPG it decompresses..

Yes, jpeg is an image compression method and .jpg is the extension
commonly given to the jpeg compressed files. The decompress of the jpeg
file only happens with the help of JPeg capable programs like browser
and photo editing software. You do not execute the jpeg file because you
can't. However, it is possible for someone to rename an executable file
into something like vir.jpg or vir.bmp. And in normal cause, this will
not cause any problem in Windows as Windows will check file extension
and load the photo editing software to load the file and display some
error message since it is not a jpeg file. However, in the native
Windows API calls, you can let Windows execute any file regardless the
file extension as long as the format of the file is that of the windows
executable file (or called PE format). This can only be done through 3rd
party software, however. Maybe your IRC software have this feature to
execute those files if instructed.





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RE: [LIB] List problem?

2002-02-08 Thread phillip ramirez

Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 13:44:21 -0600
From: "phillip ramirez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: [LIB] List problem?

Yea I don’t know.. Just know when I opened this jpg file. I found the 6
files I just deleted.. Anyway don’t know.. Maybe it was a hidden ext.
but I made sure that show known ext was turned on.. I have also read
that there was the ability to embed a script file.. Sad thing is I was
unable to detect the troj with any scanner.. But was walked through
getting rid of the thing anyway ill have to see if I can find that
article.. 

-Original Message-
From: Lawrence Young [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 1:35 PM
To: Libretto
Subject: Re: [LIB] List problem?


Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 14:31:03 -0500
From: "Lawrence Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [LIB] List problem?


- Original Message -
From: "phillip ramirez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Libretto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 2:01 PM
Subject: RE: [LIB] List problem?


> Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 12:57:50 -0600
> From: "phillip ramirez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: RE: [LIB] List problem?
>
> The jpg is a compression from not just an ext. when you execute the 
> JPG it decompresses..

Yes, jpeg is an image compression method and .jpg is the extension
commonly given to the jpeg compressed files. The decompress of the jpeg
file only happens with the help of JPeg capable programs like browser
and photo editing software. You do not execute the jpeg file because you
can't. However, it is possible for someone to rename an executable file
into something like vir.jpg or vir.bmp. And in normal cause, this will
not cause any problem in Windows as Windows will check file extension
and load the photo editing software to load the file and display some
error message since it is not a jpeg file. However, in the native
Windows API calls, you can let Windows execute any file regardless the
file extension as long as the format of the file is that of the windows
executable file (or called PE format). This can only be done through 3rd
party software, however. Maybe your IRC software have this feature to
execute those files if instructed.





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Re: [LIB] List problem?

2002-02-08 Thread Lawrence Young

Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 14:31:03 -0500
From: "Lawrence Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [LIB] List problem?


- Original Message -
From: "phillip ramirez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Libretto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 2:01 PM
Subject: RE: [LIB] List problem?


> Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 12:57:50 -0600
> From: "phillip ramirez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: RE: [LIB] List problem?
>
> The jpg is a compression from not just an ext. when you execute the JPG
> it decompresses..

Yes, jpeg is an image compression method and .jpg is the extension commonly
given to the jpeg compressed files. The decompress of the jpeg file only
happens with the help of JPeg capable programs like browser and photo
editing software. You do not execute the jpeg file because you can't.
However, it is possible for someone to rename an executable file into
something like vir.jpg or vir.bmp. And in normal cause, this will not cause
any problem in Windows as Windows will check file extension and load the
photo editing software to load the file and display some error message since
it is not a jpeg file. However, in the native Windows API calls, you can let
Windows execute any file regardless the file extension as long as the format
of the file is that of the windows executable file (or called PE format).
This can only be done through 3rd party software, however. Maybe your IRC
software have this feature to execute those files if instructed.





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RE: [LIB] List problem?

2002-02-08 Thread phillip ramirez

Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 13:03:10 -0600
From: "phillip ramirez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: [LIB] List problem?

Again JPG is not just an ext. its also a compression.. Uuencoding
basicly just the editors and viewers allow you to decode the uuencoder..
Well I do not know how it happens.. But I have seen it. I made sure I
was looking at ext's I turn them on when I am trying to find a little
thing like a virus. Plus I do not like how windows hides known ext. it
just plain bugs(pun intended) me.. I will try to find more info on
this.. 

-Original Message-
From: neil barnes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 4:21 AM
To: Libretto
Subject: RE: [LIB] List problem?


Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 10:15:15
From: "neil barnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: [LIB] List problem?


>Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 20:22:05 -0600
>From: "phillip ramirez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: RE: [LIB] List problem?
>
>Nope but yes a pic can contain executable code packaged in the jpg 
>itself.. Its how irc virus's are trasnmitted.. Anyway no virus on my 
>end.. I didn’t open the att file.. What the heck what will it hurt? 
>Haha I have a 20 gig hard drive waiting to go in this thinkpad haha
>

Can you explain further please? AFAIK there's nowhere in a jpg file 
structure to carry executables, or even any quantity of extra data. This
is 
not to say of course that just because it *says* it's a jpg that it
really 
is, or that the data enclosed is really a picture...but it won't execute

itself, it will just fail to be opened by the graphics software.

I also thought that most IRC viruses were script viruses? Maybe I'm
behind 
the times :)

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RE: [LIB] List problem?

2002-02-08 Thread phillip ramirez

Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 12:59:32 -0600
From: "phillip ramirez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: [LIB] List problem?

Yes I have seen that.. The only attachment was the attachment file
saying there was nothing because it was too big.. But anyway I didn’t
open it until I knew the 2k emails wasn’t virii releated haha 

-Original Message-
From: neil barnes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 4:10 AM
To: Libretto
Subject: Re: [LIB] List problem?


Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 10:05:51
From: "neil barnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [LIB] List problem?


>Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 02:12:59 +
>From: "Matthew Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: [LIB] List problem?
>
>>Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 14:23:47 -0600
>>From: "phillip ramirez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Subject: List problem?
>>
>>I woke up and seen 2k emails.. And I also got a virii =( well what 
>>looks like a virii at least suspious an email from 
>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject linke of (lib) emailing: 
>>lonely.jpg..
>
>Oh man... I saw that post to my Hotmail emailbox and was suspicious of 
>it. But no such lonely.jpg came was attached at my end.
>
>But a file with a .jpg extension wouldn't execute on a PC, and graphics

>files, last I knew, are read only, and can't carry a virus.  Hmmm... 
>wonder if there was more to that email than met the eye.
>
>Did you identify the name of the virus Phillip?
>
>Matt

I didn't notice that one as I erase on reflex...but have you noticed the

occasional files which have names like:

lonely.jpg.exe

carefully constructed so that the .exe doesn't fit in the usual spaces
left 
for attachment names? Nice piece social engineering, disguising an 
executable that way

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RE: [LIB] List problem?

2002-02-08 Thread phillip ramirez

Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 12:57:50 -0600
From: "phillip ramirez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: [LIB] List problem?

The jpg is a compression from not just an ext. when you execute the JPG
it decompresses.. Do not know sense I do not hack but know that it is
the only way friend could have gotten a troj since the only thing he
used one of his computers was for irc. Mind you he asked me to make sure
people cant send anything but pics.. Yes he was a little bit of a perv.
So I blocked everything cept *.bmp, *.gif, *.jpg, *.TIF everything else
was blocked and no prompt. Someone told him he had a torj. So I did a
little looking.. Looked at his log files.. Only seen jpg and a couple
bmp's and well found the virii cleared it out. Then opened each file
until I found the offending one. Again don’t know how it worked and it
was a .jpg not a .jpg.src file

-Original Message-
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Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 3:05 AM
To: Libretto
Subject: Re: [LIB] List problem?


Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 08:57:49 +
From: "Matthew Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [LIB] List problem?

>Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 21:22:37 -0500
>From: Pres Waterman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> >
> > But a file with a .jpg extension wouldn't execute on a PC, and 
> > graphics
>files, last I knew, are read only, and can't carry a virus.  Hmmm... 
>wonder
>if there was more to that email than met the eye.
>
>Don't forget that Windows, in its infinite wisdom, ships defaulted to 
>>HIDE
>the extension of a registered program. Why, oh why?

Don'tcha just love those brainy guys out at Redmond? ;-P

>
>So, an attachment like me_nude.jpg.scr would only be "seen" by the 
>unsuspecting victim as me_nude.jpg
>
>Guess what happens when you launch a .scr file even though you don't
see the .scr extension?
>
>A windows script launches

Aaaahhh... tricky.  BUT!  That's not in truth a real JPG file, only one
with 
a tricky extension.

Phillip says that virus code can be written into a JPG file. For the
life of 
me I can't figure out how it would spread any virus. It'd need a
separate 
execuatable file to activate the virus code in the JGP, wouldn't it?
And 
the're nothing to my knowledge (admittedly limited knowledge) that tries
to 
execuate any kind of code in graphics files.

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Re: [LIB] List problem?

2002-02-08 Thread Lawrence Young

Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 11:39:57 -0500
From: "Lawrence Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [LIB] List problem?

Most email viruses that disguise itself as JPG is just exploiting one
Windows Explore feature: hiding file extensions of known file types. So a
virus named vir.jpg.exe or something similar will show up in your email as
vir.jpg instead. If you look carefully, the icon is different. Always
uncheck the above option in Explorer's Folder Option menu and you will never
be fooled again.

You can embed any binary code into a image file but it will never get
executed unless you also have some special software designed to extract them
and execute them.

- Original Message -
From: "Christian Kuiphoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Libretto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 11:19 AM
Subject: RE: [LIB] List problem?


> Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 08:14:43 -0800 (PST)
> From: Christian Kuiphoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: RE: [LIB] List problem?
>
> You could put any code you wanted in the "Makernote" section of
> the EXIF section.  However, there isn't any current way of
> executing that directly.
>
>
> Regards,
> Chris
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> --- neil barnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 10:15:15
> > From: "neil barnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: RE: [LIB] List problem?
> >
> >
> > >Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 20:22:05 -0600
> > >From: "phillip ramirez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Subject: RE: [LIB] List problem?
> > >
> > >Nope but yes a pic can contain executable code packaged in the
> > jpg
> > >itself.. Its how irc virus's are trasnmitted.. Anyway no virus
> > on my
> > >end.. I didn't open the att file.. What the heck what will it
> > hurt? Haha
> > >I have a 20 gig hard drive waiting to go in this thinkpad haha
> > >
> >
> > Can you explain further please? AFAIK there's nowhere in a jpg
> > file
> > structure to carry executables, or even any quantity of extra
> > data. This is
> > not to say of course that just because it *says* it's a jpg
> > that it really
> > is, or that the data enclosed is really a picture...but it
> > won't execute
> > itself, it will just fail to be opened by the graphics
> > software.
> >
> > I also thought that most IRC viruses were script viruses? Maybe
> > I'm behind
> > the times :)
>
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RE: [LIB] List problem?

2002-02-08 Thread Christian Kuiphoff

Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 08:14:43 -0800 (PST)
From: Christian Kuiphoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: [LIB] List problem?

You could put any code you wanted in the "Makernote" section of
the EXIF section.  However, there isn't any current way of
executing that directly.


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> Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 10:15:15
> From: "neil barnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: RE: [LIB] List problem?
> 
> 
> >Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 20:22:05 -0600
> >From: "phillip ramirez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: RE: [LIB] List problem?
> >
> >Nope but yes a pic can contain executable code packaged in the
> jpg
> >itself.. Its how irc virus's are trasnmitted.. Anyway no virus
> on my
> >end.. I didn’t open the att file.. What the heck what will it
> hurt? Haha
> >I have a 20 gig hard drive waiting to go in this thinkpad haha
> >
> 
> Can you explain further please? AFAIK there's nowhere in a jpg
> file 
> structure to carry executables, or even any quantity of extra
> data. This is 
> not to say of course that just because it *says* it's a jpg
> that it really 
> is, or that the data enclosed is really a picture...but it
> won't execute 
> itself, it will just fail to be opened by the graphics
> software.
> 
> I also thought that most IRC viruses were script viruses? Maybe
> I'm behind 
> the times :)


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Re: [LIB] List problem?

2002-02-08 Thread Pres Waterman

Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 09:14:27 -0500
From: Pres Waterman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [LIB] List problem?

> >
> >So, an attachment like me_nude.jpg.scr would only be "seen" by the
> >unsuspecting victim as me_nude.jpg
> >
> >Guess what happens when you launch a .scr file even though you don't
> see the .scr extension?
> >
> >A windows script launches
>
> Aaaahhh... tricky.  BUT!  That's not in truth a real JPG file, only one
with
> a tricky extension.


That's exactly what I said.  A regular .jpg with a tricky extension is NOT
REALLY anything but the trick...

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RE: [LIB] List problem?

2002-02-08 Thread Raymond

Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 18:57:07 +0800
From: Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: [LIB] List problem?

At 02:21 AM 8/02/2002 -0800, you wrote:
>Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 10:15:15
>From: "neil barnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: RE: [LIB] List problem?
>
>
>>Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 20:22:05 -0600
>>From: "phillip ramirez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Subject: RE: [LIB] List problem?
>>
>>Nope but yes a pic can contain executable code packaged in the jpg
>>itself.. Its how irc virus's are trasnmitted.. Anyway no virus on my
>>end.. I didn’t open the att file.. What the heck what will it hurt? Haha
>>I have a 20 gig hard drive waiting to go in this thinkpad haha
>
>Can you explain further please? AFAIK there's nowhere in a jpg file structure to 
>carry executables, or even any quantity of extra data. This is not to say of course 
>that just because it *says* it's a jpg that it really is, or that the data enclosed 
>is really a picture...but it won't execute itself, it will just fail to be opened by 
>the graphics software.

The only thing I CAN think of is perhaps the jpeg file having a carefully crafted 
string somewhere that causes a buffer overflow in the viewing program but that'd have 
to assume it was being viewed with a specific decoder, compiled a certain way. 
Certainly a long shot given the wide variety of viewing programs and jpeg decoding 
libraries available ... certainly embedding pure executable code wouldn't help because 
the viewing program would just ignore it.


>I also thought that most IRC viruses were script viruses? Maybe I'm behind the times 
>:)

Some are .dll files as well (because remember, many IRC clients can now link DLL's).


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RE: [LIB] List problem?

2002-02-08 Thread neil barnes

Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 10:15:15
From: "neil barnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: [LIB] List problem?


>Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 20:22:05 -0600
>From: "phillip ramirez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: RE: [LIB] List problem?
>
>Nope but yes a pic can contain executable code packaged in the jpg
>itself.. Its how irc virus's are trasnmitted.. Anyway no virus on my
>end.. I didn’t open the att file.. What the heck what will it hurt? Haha
>I have a 20 gig hard drive waiting to go in this thinkpad haha
>

Can you explain further please? AFAIK there's nowhere in a jpg file 
structure to carry executables, or even any quantity of extra data. This is 
not to say of course that just because it *says* it's a jpg that it really 
is, or that the data enclosed is really a picture...but it won't execute 
itself, it will just fail to be opened by the graphics software.

I also thought that most IRC viruses were script viruses? Maybe I'm behind 
the times :)

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Re: [LIB] List problem?

2002-02-08 Thread Raymond

Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 18:06:42 +0800
From: Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [LIB] List problem?

At 06:31 PM 7/02/2002 -0800, you wrote:
>Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 21:22:37 -0500
>From: Pres Waterman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: [LIB] List problem?
>
>>
>> But a file with a .jpg extension wouldn't execute on a PC, and graphics
>> files, last I knew, are read only, and can't carry a virus.  Hmmm...
>wonder
>> if there was more to that email than met the eye.
>
>Don't forget that Windows, in its infinite wisdom, ships defaulted to HIDE
>the extension of a registered program. Why, oh why?
>
>So, an attachment like me_nude.jpg.scr would only be "seen" by the
>unsuspecting victim as me_nude.jpg
>
>Guess what happens when you launch a .scr file even though you don't see the
>..scr extension?
>
>A windows script launches

Umm ... .scr is just a renamed .exe so it'd be a Windows executable. If it was .vbs 
then it'd be a script ...

In this case it IS a .jpg though because the listbot caught it and not your browser. 
And to the best of my knowledge it is NOT possible to infect a computer through a .jpg 
file (I DID investigate this possibility when someone else brought it up about a year 
ago ... there isn't anything in the format that'll allow code to execute).


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Re: [LIB] List problem?

2002-02-08 Thread neil barnes

Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 10:05:51
From: "neil barnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [LIB] List problem?


>Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 02:12:59 +
>From: "Matthew Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: [LIB] List problem?
>
>>Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 14:23:47 -0600
>>From: "phillip ramirez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Subject: List problem?
>>
>>I woke up and seen 2k emails.. And I also got a virii =( well what looks
>>like a virii at least suspious an email from [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>with the subject linke of (lib) emailing: lonely.jpg..
>
>Oh man... I saw that post to my Hotmail emailbox and was suspicious of it.
>But no such lonely.jpg came was attached at my end.
>
>But a file with a .jpg extension wouldn't execute on a PC, and graphics
>files, last I knew, are read only, and can't carry a virus.  Hmmm... wonder
>if there was more to that email than met the eye.
>
>Did you identify the name of the virus Phillip?
>
>Matt

I didn't notice that one as I erase on reflex...but have you noticed the 
occasional files which have names like:

lonely.jpg.exe

carefully constructed so that the .exe doesn't fit in the usual spaces left 
for attachment names? Nice piece social engineering, disguising an 
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Re: [LIB] List problem?

2002-02-08 Thread Matthew Hanson

Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 08:57:49 +
From: "Matthew Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [LIB] List problem?

>Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 21:22:37 -0500
>From: Pres Waterman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> >
> > But a file with a .jpg extension wouldn't execute on a PC, and graphics 
>files, last I knew, are read only, and can't carry a virus.  Hmmm... wonder 
>if there was more to that email than met the eye.
>
>Don't forget that Windows, in its infinite wisdom, ships defaulted to >HIDE 
>the extension of a registered program. Why, oh why?

Don'tcha just love those brainy guys out at Redmond? ;-P

>
>So, an attachment like me_nude.jpg.scr would only be "seen" by the
>unsuspecting victim as me_nude.jpg
>
>Guess what happens when you launch a .scr file even though you don't
see the .scr extension?
>
>A windows script launches

Aaaahhh... tricky.  BUT!  That's not in truth a real JPG file, only one with 
a tricky extension.

Phillip says that virus code can be written into a JPG file. For the life of 
me I can't figure out how it would spread any virus. It'd need a separate 
execuatable file to activate the virus code in the JGP, wouldn't it?  And 
the're nothing to my knowledge (admittedly limited knowledge) that tries to 
execuate any kind of code in graphics files.

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RE: [LIB] List problem?

2002-02-07 Thread phillip ramirez

Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 20:23:30 -0600
From: "phillip ramirez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: [LIB] List problem?

Looks like it was a big big file.. Cause the att file said 

"Attachement File exceeds maximum allowed for this list: lonely.JPG"

So either spam or virii

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To: Libretto
Subject: Re: [LIB] List problem?


Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 02:12:59 +
From: "Matthew Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [LIB] List problem?

>Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 14:23:47 -0600
>From: "phillip ramirez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: List problem?
>
>I woke up and seen 2k emails.. And I also got a virii =( well what 
>looks like a virii at least suspious an email from 
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject linke of (lib) emailing: 
>lonely.jpg..

Oh man... I saw that post to my Hotmail emailbox and was suspicious of
it.  
But no such lonely.jpg came was attached at my end.

But a file with a .jpg extension wouldn't execute on a PC, and graphics 
files, last I knew, are read only, and can't carry a virus.  Hmmm...
wonder 
if there was more to that email than met the eye.

Did you identify the name of the virus Phillip?

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Re: [LIB] List problem?

2002-02-07 Thread Pres Waterman

Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 21:22:37 -0500
From: Pres Waterman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [LIB] List problem?

>
> But a file with a .jpg extension wouldn't execute on a PC, and graphics
> files, last I knew, are read only, and can't carry a virus.  Hmmm...
wonder
> if there was more to that email than met the eye.

Don't forget that Windows, in its infinite wisdom, ships defaulted to HIDE
the extension of a registered program. Why, oh why?

So, an attachment like me_nude.jpg.scr would only be "seen" by the
unsuspecting victim as me_nude.jpg

Guess what happens when you launch a .scr file even though you don't see the
.scr extension?

A windows script launches

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RE: [LIB] List problem?

2002-02-07 Thread phillip ramirez

Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 20:22:05 -0600
From: "phillip ramirez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: [LIB] List problem?

Nope but yes a pic can contain executable code packaged in the jpg
itself.. Its how irc virus's are trasnmitted.. Anyway no virus on my
end.. I didn’t open the att file.. What the heck what will it hurt? Haha
I have a 20 gig hard drive waiting to go in this thinkpad haha 

-Original Message-
From: Matthew Hanson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 8:20 PM
To: Libretto
Subject: Re: [LIB] List problem?


Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 02:12:59 +
From: "Matthew Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [LIB] List problem?

>Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 14:23:47 -0600
>From: "phillip ramirez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: List problem?
>
>I woke up and seen 2k emails.. And I also got a virii =( well what 
>looks like a virii at least suspious an email from 
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject linke of (lib) emailing: 
>lonely.jpg..

Oh man... I saw that post to my Hotmail emailbox and was suspicious of
it.  
But no such lonely.jpg came was attached at my end.

But a file with a .jpg extension wouldn't execute on a PC, and graphics 
files, last I knew, are read only, and can't carry a virus.  Hmmm...
wonder 
if there was more to that email than met the eye.

Did you identify the name of the virus Phillip?

Matt


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Re: [LIB] List problem?

2002-02-07 Thread Matthew Hanson

Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 02:12:59 +
From: "Matthew Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [LIB] List problem?

>Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 14:23:47 -0600
>From: "phillip ramirez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: List problem?
>
>I woke up and seen 2k emails.. And I also got a virii =( well what looks
>like a virii at least suspious an email from [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>with the subject linke of (lib) emailing: lonely.jpg..

Oh man... I saw that post to my Hotmail emailbox and was suspicious of it.  
But no such lonely.jpg came was attached at my end.

But a file with a .jpg extension wouldn't execute on a PC, and graphics 
files, last I knew, are read only, and can't carry a virus.  Hmmm... wonder 
if there was more to that email than met the eye.

Did you identify the name of the virus Phillip?

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RE: [LIB] List problem?

2002-02-07 Thread phillip ramirez

Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 18:52:17 -0600
From: "phillip ramirez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: [LIB] List problem?

Well didn’t know if it was a hiccup or a virus cause of the other emaulk
I recived

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Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 6:50 PM
To: Libretto
Subject: Re: [LIB] List problem?


Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 08:42:48 +0800
From: Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [LIB] List problem?

At 12:27 PM 7/02/2002 -0800, you wrote:
>Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 14:23:47 -0600
>From: "phillip ramirez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: List problem?
>
>I woke up and seen 2k emails.. And I also got a virii =( well what 
>looks like a virii at least suspious an email from 
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject linke of (lib) emailing: 
>lonely.jpg..

Ya ... with a list like this, that'll happen ... its something we all
have to live with unfortunately ... hehe


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Re: [LIB] List problem?

2002-02-07 Thread Raymond

Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 08:42:48 +0800
From: Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [LIB] List problem?

At 12:27 PM 7/02/2002 -0800, you wrote:
>Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 14:23:47 -0600
>From: "phillip ramirez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: List problem?
>
>I woke up and seen 2k emails.. And I also got a virii =( well what looks
>like a virii at least suspious an email from [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>with the subject linke of (lib) emailing: lonely.jpg.. 

Ya ... with a list like this, that'll happen ... its something we all have to live 
with unfortunately ... hehe


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[LIB] List problem?

2002-02-07 Thread phillip ramirez

Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 14:23:47 -0600
From: "phillip ramirez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: List problem?

I woke up and seen 2k emails.. And I also got a virii =( well what looks
like a virii at least suspious an email from [EMAIL PROTECTED]
with the subject linke of (lib) emailing: lonely.jpg.. 


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