Re: license idea (revised)

2003-07-16 Thread John Cowan
so. -- "In my last lifetime, John Cowan I believed in reincarnation;http://www.ccil.org/~cowan in this lifetime, [EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't." --Thiagi http://www.reutershealth.co

Re: license idea (revised)

2003-07-16 Thread John Cowan
, so I have made an "indirect use" of Backplane to further my e-commerce activities. Where does one draw the line? -- Dream projects long deferredJohn Cowan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> usually bite the wax tadpole.http://www.ccil.org/~cowan -

Re: license idea (revised)

2003-07-16 Thread John Cowan
software, and as long as I don't distribute the binary, I can keep the source to myself. -- John Cowan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.reutershealth.com I amar prestar aen, han mathon ne nen,http://www.ccil.org/~cowan han mathon ne chae, a han noston ne 'wilith.

Re: license idea (revised)

2003-07-16 Thread John Cowan
luding the GPL. Deploying software in an ASP is not IMHO essentially different; it is use, not publication. -- We call nothing profound[EMAIL PROTECTED] that is not wittily expressed. John Cowan --Northrop Frye (improved) http://www

Re: is it just summertime?

2003-07-09 Thread John Cowan
t, and even less clear that there is an implicit patent grant for users of derivative works. I suggest an explicit patent grant be added. > > http://crynwr.com/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi?3:mss:6976:200306:odefmgncbfagijaemlbg This license is obviously open source. -- Henry S. Thompson said, / &qu

Re: Microsoft's near-OSD-compliant shared source license

2003-07-04 Thread John Cowan
Your code does something that is subject to a patent claim; 3) You say you have a license to use the patent because your work is a derivative work, even though you are not (usefully) incorporating the part of the Software that exercises the patent. -- John Cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] w

Re: New license - please comment

2003-06-10 Thread John Cowan
w. However, IANAL, TINLA. -- He made the Legislature meet at one-horse John Cowan tank-towns out in the alfalfa belt, so that [EMAIL PROTECTED] hardly nobody could get there and most of http://www.reutershealth.com the leaders would stay home and let him go http://www.ccil.org/~co

Re: commercial application development

2003-06-04 Thread John Cowan
d support John Cowan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> are the same thing. --Hannah Arendthttp://www.ccil.org/~cowan -- license-discuss archive is at http://crynwr.com/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi?3

Re: IETF Patent Licenses are RAND

2003-03-20 Thread John Cowan
uld ask for an injunction in lieu of damages, since so many of us are not only royalty free but judgment proof. -- John Cowan http://www.ccil.org/~cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To say that Bilbo's breath was taken away is no description at all. There are no words left to expr

Re: IETF Patent Licenses are RAND

2003-03-20 Thread John Cowan
. Can you give us a pointer to these reasons? -- LEAR: Dost thou call me fool, boy? John Cowan FOOL: All thy other titles http://www.ccil.org/~cowan thou hast given away: [EMAIL PROTECTED] That thou wast born with. http://www.reutershealth.com -- lic

Re: Please add "Public Domain" to "license" list

2003-03-17 Thread John Cowan
oint" strongly suggests the second answer. (IANAL, TINLA, YANT.) -- John Cowan http://www.ccil.org/~cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To say that Bilbo's breath was taken away is no description at all. There are no words left to express his staggerment, since Men change

Re: Please add "Public Domain" to "license" list

2003-03-17 Thread John Cowan
Gregory Pomerantz scripsit: > Abandonment divests title to the work from the author, and I have no reason to > think title would vest in somebody else. Did you have something in mind? Based on his earlier postings, he doesn't really believe in a res nullius. -- John Cowan

Re: Please add "Public Domain" to "license" list

2003-03-16 Thread John Cowan
else can do it for him.) -- John Cowan http://www.ccil.org/~cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To say that Bilbo's breath was taken away is no description at all. There are no words left to express his staggerment, since Men changed the language that they learned of elves in the

Re: Open Source Business Found Parasitic, and the ADCL

2003-03-15 Thread John Cowan
mbedded in esr's "Homesteading the Noosphere", with my permission of course Today I would add the right to be sued, which is in essence the right to make convincing promises. -- John Cowan http://www.ccil.org/~cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To say that Bilb

Re: Please add "Public Domain" to "license" list

2003-03-15 Thread John Cowan
s/Yellow/White/. Yellow Pages are definitely copyrightable and copyright. AFAIK in the U.K. even the White Pages are copyrightable, though. -- John Cowan http://www.ccil.org/~cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To say that Bilbo's breath was taken away is no description at all. There are n

Re: Optimal license for Java projects ...

2003-03-14 Thread John Cowan
Rick Moen scripsit: > But, again, I'd say that was almostly entirely a secondary effect of the > lawsuit. (I was a 386BSD user, back then. Things could have gone > entirely differently.) Well, bsdmafia.com is still available. -- John Cowan http://www.c

Re: Optimal license for Java projects ...

2003-03-14 Thread John Cowan
nd the XC ended up using a completely toothless license: the peace of exhaustion. -- John Cowan http://www.ccil.org/~cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To say that Bilbo's breath was taken away is no description at all. There are no words left to express his staggerment, since Men

Re: Optimal license for Java projects ...

2003-03-14 Thread John Cowan
an issue that transcends mere licensing. No > license is going to prevent it, and only a few could impede it with any > significant result. Fair enough. But certain kinds of licenses can make it more expensive. -- John Cowan http://www.ccil.org/~cowan [EMAIL PROTE

Re: why MPL is hard for other companies to adopt? (was RE: Open SourceBusiness Found Parasitic, and the ADCL)

2003-03-14 Thread John Cowan
mething? If you templated the MPL in this respect and called it the Commercial Open Source License, I suspect it would get past this list and be passed by OSI. (Warning: OSI are a bunch of volunteers and they take time to approve things, even obvious things.) -- John Cowan http://

Re: Open Source Business Found Parasitic, and the ADCL

2003-03-14 Thread John Cowan
wants it all, B wants to split 50-50. An adult comes along, arbitrates, and splits it 75-25 in favor of A. -- John Cowan http://www.ccil.org/~cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To say that Bilbo's breath was taken away is no description at all. There are no words left to express

Re: Optimal license for Java projects ...

2003-03-14 Thread John Cowan
ve the option of conversion to the GPL: in effect, all LGPL code is dual-licensed under the LGPL and the GPL. > Is there any case law regarding open source licenses that > had been contested? Not so far as anybody knows. Eben Moglen does enforce the GPL out of court all the time, thou

Re: Open Source Business Found Parasitic, and the ADCL

2003-03-14 Thread John Cowan
that the Windows ftp.exe contains a UCB copyright just for the fun of it? Microsoft is in up to their necks. -- John Cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ccil.org/~cowan Most languages are dramatically underdescribed, and at least one is dramatically overdescribed. Still other lang

Re: Please add "Public Domain" to "license" list

2003-03-14 Thread John Cowan
the software is not really in the public domain, but then there's a risk that your Open Source word processor is really a cracked version of Microsoft's. -- John Cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ccil.org/~cowan Most languages are dramatically underdescribed, and at least one is dramat

Re: Optimal license for Java projects ...

2003-03-14 Thread John Cowan
e is nothing users can do about it (except replace the program, since fortunately it is a userland utility). -- John Cowan http://www.ccil.org/~cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To say that Bilbo's breath was taken away is no description at all. There are no words left to express hi

Re: Open Source Business Found Parasitic, and the ADCL

2003-03-13 Thread John Cowan
why you should expect any of the benefits of the Open Source development methodology from such an impoverished scheme. -- John Cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.reutershealth.com ccil.org/~cowan Dievas dave dantis; Dievas duos duonos --Lithuanian proverb Deus dedit dentes; deus dabit pane

Re: Open Source Business Found Parasitic, and the ADCL

2003-03-13 Thread John Cowan
it by way of use restrictions, because you have no way of imposing them that will stick. -- The Imperials are decadent, 300 pound John Cowan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> free-range chickens (except they have http://www.reutershealth.com teeth, arms instead of wings andhttp://www.ccil.o

Re: Open Source Business Found Parasitic, and the ADCL

2003-03-13 Thread John Cowan
I only knew what those acronyms mean... I am not a lawyer; this is not legal advice. A standard disclaimer on this list. (For those of us who are lawyers, the first part is omitted.) -- Knowledge studies others / Wisdom is self-known; John Cowan Muscle masters brothers / Self-master

Re: Open Source Business Found Parasitic, and the ADCL

2003-03-13 Thread John Cowan
ual address and cc-ing to the list as this was how > I got the message. But shouldn't we just write to the list?) My email software makes that difficult. -- A rabbi whose congregation doesn't want John Cowan to drive him out of town isn't a rabbi, http://www.ccil.or

Re: Compatibility of the AFL with the GPL

2003-03-13 Thread John Cowan
Lawrence E. Rosen scripsit: > Nothing in the GPL > prohibits such a contingent termination provision for a component of a > GPL-licensed derivative work. GPL 2b is generally read to prevent any such encumbrances other than those enumerated in the GPL itself. -- A poetical purist named Cowan

Re: Compatibility of the AFL with the GPL

2003-03-13 Thread John Cowan
Rod Dixon scripsit: > > You are both wrong. The designation of whether one license is incompatible > with the GPL says nothing about "violation." On FSF's website, they > designate some licenses as incompatible with the GPL. The question raised > was why the AFL is included in that list. It is wh

Re: Compatibility of the AFL with the GPL

2003-03-13 Thread John Cowan
Mark Rafn scripsit: > You lost me after the first GPL violation (putting non-GPL-compatible code > in the Linux kernel). Well, that's a question. RMS says it's a violation, but that doesn't make it one necessarily; Larry, after all, says it isn't one. -- Jo

Re: Open Source Business Found Parasitic, and the ADCL

2003-03-13 Thread John Cowan
hing can be made "an illegal act". Copyright law, at least, does not constrain use. Patent law can and does, but I suppose that the creators of MAA artifacts do not generally hold patents on the subject matter. -- John Cowan http://www.ccil.org/~cowan [EMAIL PROTE

Re: Compatibility of the AFL with the GPL

2003-03-13 Thread John Cowan
ntains or is derived from the [GPL-licensed] Program or any part thereof, to be licensed as a whole at no charge to all third parties under the terms of this [GPL] License. means "under the terms, and under no other terms". -- John Cowan http://www.ccil.org/~cowan

Re: Compatibility of the AFL with the GPL

2003-03-12 Thread John Cowan
e good custom [the GPL v2] should corrupt the world. --Tennyson, "The Passing of Arthur" -- John Cowan http://www.ccil.org/~cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To say that Bilbo's breath was taken away is no description at all. There are no words left to expres

Re: Compatibility of the AFL with the GPL

2003-03-12 Thread John Cowan
than the GPL. > > Huh? Is Jimmy == Person A, Person B or Person C? Keep your parties > straight. I challenge you to find any copyright infringement in > anything I suggested He's the author of component X in your scenario, who might or might be the same as Person B.

Re: Compatibility of the AFL with the GPL

2003-03-12 Thread John Cowan
the AFL, > or to change the GPL to allow compatibility, is encouraging the creation > of islands of free software that people erroneously think cannot be > re-used in GPL-licensed software. That will be our community's loss. So it will, but it will take time for the problem to

Re: Compatibility of the AFL with the GPL

2003-03-12 Thread John Cowan
nnot be the case, as the GPL prevents "additional restrictions", without > a qualifier as to which party those restrictions are enforced by. I agree. -- John Cowan http://www.ccil.org/~cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To say that Bilbo's breath was taken away is no

Re: Compatibility of the AFL with the GPL

2003-03-12 Thread John Cowan
L's: for example, it can be issued under a proprietary license. -- Winter: MIT, John Cowan Keio, INRIA,[EMAIL PROTECTED] Issue lots of Drafts. http://www.ccil.org/~cowan So mu

Re: Compatibility of the AFL with the GPL

2003-03-12 Thread John Cowan
g, or distributing it. Presumably they can still use it. -- John Cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.reutershealth.com www.ccil.org/~cowan "It's the old, old story. Droid meets droid. Droid becomes chameleon. Droid loses chameleon, chameleon becomes blob, droid gets blob back again. It

Re: Compatibility of the AFL with the GPL

2003-03-12 Thread John Cowan
ther people from making derivative works based on the same original, but he can certainly defend his own copyright. This is why BSD-licensed code can be incorporated into proprietary binary works, e.g. (IANAL, TINLA) -- It was impossible to inveigle John Cowan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: Compatibility of the AFL with the GPL

2003-03-12 Thread John Cowan
AFL saying that the M.T.P.A. clause is expressly inapplicable to derivative works unless the work as a whole is licensed under a license containing the M.T.P.A. (More gracefully worded, preferably.) -- Do what you will, John Cowan this Life's a Fiction

Re: Compatibility of the AFL with the GPL

2003-03-11 Thread John Cowan
*that* provision, which is tantamount to licensing under every license existing or to be created later, RMS can't possibly have a problem. The rest of us might, however. -- Do what you will, John Cowan this Life's a Fiction[EMAIL PROT

Re: Must publish vs. must supply

2003-03-11 Thread John Cowan
elect group of people, just because we > have decided they are "end" users. There is no question of imprisonment. No one should be forced to become a distributor, IMHO; those who distribute can reasonably be expected to be willing to incur certain obligations. -- Some people op

Re: discuss: No Warranty License (round 2).

2003-03-09 Thread John Cowan
Russell Nelson scripsit: > [ please discuss this license. I assume that the submittor means to > withdraw the previous version. -russ ] I see no problems with this license. -- John Cowan http://www.ccil.org/~cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To say that Bilbo's breat

Re: Must publish vs. must supply

2003-03-09 Thread John Cowan
'm all for that. Offer a GPLed or OSLed version and a commercial one, then. Just make sure if anyone sends you patches that you get them to sign over their copyright ownership of the patches. This is what Sleepycat Software (http://www.sleepycat.com) does quite successfully. > And, yes

Re: Must publish vs. must supply

2003-03-07 Thread John Cowan
ike to see it too. The question you must ask yourself is whether you feel strongly enough about it to be willing to use legal force to compel that result. -- "Do I contradict myself?John Cowan Very well then, I contradict myself.[EMAIL PR

Re: legal issues under GPL

2003-03-07 Thread John Cowan
there is a practical point: In the U.S. at least, Charlie has very limited remedies if he has not (as most programmers have not) registered P with the Copyright Office. They are restricted to actual monetary damages, and it will be very difficult for Charlie to prove that he has suffered any s

Re: Must publish vs. must supply

2003-03-06 Thread John Cowan
e changes are to be made public? I think this is a good feature. > --> Sorry, John. I disagree. I know a few companies who would be >willing to pick up my code, fork it and distribute it both to their >customers and to their advantage - and never give anything back. Yes, there ar

Re: Must publish vs. must supply

2003-03-05 Thread John Cowan
lf. In general, though, I think all these requirements are over-cautious. Most people do not want to maintain forks indefinitely -- they *want* to push changes back to you in the hope that you will integrate the changes into the mainline distribution, and they will get them back automatically. -- &quo

Re: legal issues under GPL

2003-03-05 Thread John Cowan
ten. Any written form will do. > Other jurisdictions might differ. Indeed. AFAICT, the Berne Convention (http://www.law.cornell.edu/treaties/berne/overview.html) is silent on the point. -- They do not preach John Cowan that their God will rouse them

Re: A BSD-like license that isn't template-based

2003-03-04 Thread John Cowan
uot;teeth" than the BSD license; also, > perhaps because of this clause, the FSF list it as being > GPL-incompatible. It seems that RMS believes it's the trademark exemption that makes the AFL incompatible with the GPL. Steps are underway to better inform him. -- There are three

Re: Antiwar License

2003-03-02 Thread John Cowan
a: since the change of regime, that provision has been nothing but a nuisance. Open Source can't handle being hooked to political causes. -- John Cowan http://www.ccil.org/~cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To say that Bilbo's breath was taken away is no description at

Re: discuss: No Warranty License.

2003-02-28 Thread John Cowan
ietary; This is by no means true. Only a minority of Open Source licenses have this so-called "viral" property, like the GPL. Windows, e.g., comes with the BSD-licensed TCP/IP command-line tools, but the Windows versions of them are completely proprietary. -- John Cowan

Re: discuss: EPD CORE OPEN SOURCE LICENSE - Version 0.1

2003-02-27 Thread John Cowan
> work to fully establish that the license is an open source license. Let's > start with OSD #2. It's not clear that paragraph 3 complies. Did you intend > to say something about source code in the license grant clause? OSD #2 constrains the program, not the license. -- John Cowan

Re: Question about GPL with exception

2003-02-25 Thread John Cowan
how to sign over copyright to you, and of course disclosing that you may make proprietary use of their changes. IANAL, TINLA. -- If you understand, John Cowan things are just as they are; http://www.ccil.org/~cowan if you do not understand, http://www.

Re: Problems in Open Source Licensing

2003-02-16 Thread John Cowan
see to consume moose by-product as a condition of the license, for those of you who have mercifully forgotten.) -- John Cowan http://www.ccil.org/~cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To say that Bilbo's breath was taken away is no description at all. There are no words left t

Re: discuss: EPD CORE OPEN SOURCE LICENSE - Version 0.1

2003-02-14 Thread John Cowan
or some other well-understood license, people know what to expect. If you have a license unique to you, programmers and users have to plow through the legalese to figure out their rights and responsibilities. -- John Cowan http://www.ccil.org/~cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] T

Re: discuss: EPD CORE OPEN SOURCE LICENSE - Version 0.1

2003-02-14 Thread John Cowan
alter or negate the terms of this license or the license terms of any other module. -- There is / One art John Cowan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> No more / No less http://www.reutershealth.com To do / All things http://www.ccil

Re: Question about a specific license

2003-02-10 Thread John Cowan
the other dead licenses trail along behind. -- John Cowan http://www.ccil.org/~cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To say that Bilbo's breath was taken away is no description at all. There are no words left to express his staggerment, since Men changed the language that they lea

Re: Question about a specific license

2003-02-10 Thread John Cowan
l a non-free software the does the same, > but the sources are generally not included, so no-one would be the > wiser. People do get caught, it seems, and generally the threat of lawsuit suffices. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/enforcing-gpl.html for an insider view of this. -- John Co

Re: Question about a specific license

2003-02-09 Thread John Cowan
e work which you license under the GPL? Yes, absolutely, as long as you keep the above license attached to its component and make clear that the GPL applies to the program as a whole. It's commonplace to do so. -- John Cowan http://www.ccil.org/~cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] T

Re: OSD Model Code -- Article 1 (Free Distribution)

2003-01-21 Thread John Cowan
ng to both the explicit definitions and the implicit usage in the Act. Again, IANAL, TINLA. -- Said Agatha Christie / To E. Philips Oppenheim John Cowan "Who is this Hemingway? / Who is this Proust? [EMAIL PROTECTED] Who is this Vladimir / Whatchamacallum, http://www.re

Re: Model Code for the OSD

2003-01-19 Thread John Cowan
g their source code after it had been fed through an obfuscator, which not only strips comments, but changes identifiers from meaningful names to barely distinguishable strings of gibberish. -- John Cowan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.reutershealth.com I amar prestar aen, h

Re: "Derivative Work" for Software Defined

2003-01-17 Thread John Cowan
s (speaking of the U.S. only here), even in the most flagrant breach of the license they would be restricted to actual, provable, money damages. And how likely is that? IANAL, TINLA. -- John Cowan http://www.ccil.org/~cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Be yourself. Especially do not feign a workin

Re: "Derivative Work" for Software Defined

2003-01-15 Thread John Cowan
ot merely G concatenated with H, but the result of combining compiled-G and compiled-H into an executable form. -- They do not preach John Cowan that their God will rouse them[EMAIL PROTECTED] A little before the nuts work loose.http://ww

Re: "Derivative Work" for Software Defined

2003-01-15 Thread John Cowan
ned to see if it is a derivative work of any GPLed work and also a derivative work of a work licensed under an incompatible license. If so, its distribution is forbidden by the GPL. -- Some people open all the Windows; John Cowan wise wives welcome the spring [EMAIL PROTECTE

Re: discuss: rtx-2000 open software license

2002-12-06 Thread John Cowan
icense to meet # the current version of the 'Open Source Definition' published by Open # Source Initiative. It sounds like all derivatives must be licensed under the same license, which is virality without copyleft, which makes very little sense. -- John Cowan

Re: The OSD and commercial use

2002-11-23 Thread John Cowan
's because they too are sold anonymously (that is, the buyer is anonymous to the seller) and because their use is impossible to track. Software tools, the expensive kind, usually don't have the first property and may well not have the second (that is, the buyer is known to the seller and contract-

Re: The OSD and commercial use

2002-11-23 Thread John Cowan
ust as important as signing on the dotted: an overt indication of acceptance. -- A mosquito cried out in his pain, John Cowan "A chemist has poisoned my brain!" http://www.ccil.org/~cowan The cause of his sorrow http://www.reutershealth.

Re: The OSD and commercial use

2002-11-23 Thread John Cowan
s a car, she is quite careful to observe the rule "Don't let anyone else drive", even when that is quite inconvenient. -- "No, John. I want formats that are actually John Cowan useful, rather than over-featured megaliths that http://www.ccil.org/~cowan addres

Re: The OSD and commercial use

2002-11-23 Thread John Cowan
this routinely. The airlines do it too, there being no secondary market in airline tickets for security reasons.) -- Some people open all the Windows; John Cowan wise wives welcome the spring [EMAIL PROTECTED] by moving the Unix. http://www.reutershealth.com

Re: The OSD and commercial use

2002-11-23 Thread John Cowan
ed a car? Do you take that attitude with it? -- John Cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.reutershealth.com www.ccil.org/~cowan "The exception proves the rule." Dimbulbs think: "Your counterexample proves my theory." Latin students think "'Probat' means 'tests

Re: MPL section 2.2, and patent grants on derivative works

2002-11-22 Thread John Cowan
and quite another to ask them to implicitly surrender all their patent rights, software-related or not. (IANAL, TINLA) -- What is the sound of Perl? Is it not the John Cowan sound of a [Ww]all that people have stopped [EMAIL PROTECTED] banging their head against? --Larryhttp://w

Re: time frame between request for approval and acknowledgement of request?

2002-11-21 Thread John Cowan
t. -- He made the Legislature meet at one-horse John Cowan tank-towns out in the alfalfa belt, so that [EMAIL PROTECTED] hardly nobody could get there and most of http://www.reutershealth.com the leaders would stay home and let him go http://www.ccil.org/~cowan to work and do t

Re: Academic Free License questions

2002-11-21 Thread John Cowan
ibleLicenses and scroll down a bit if necessary. -- One art / There is John Cowan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> No less / No more http://www.reutershealth.com All things / To do http://www.ccil.org/~cowan With sparks / Galore

Re: Academic Free License questions

2002-11-21 Thread John Cowan
-- We call nothing profound[EMAIL PROTECTED] that is not wittily expressed. John Cowan --Northrop Frye (improved) http://www.reutershealth.com -- license-discuss archive is at http://crynwr.com/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi?3

Re: time frame between request for approval and acknowledge

2002-11-21 Thread John Cowan
e. Sounds good. -- John Cowan http://www.ccil.org/~cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Be yourself. Especially do not feign a working knowledge of RDF where no such knowledge exists. Neither be cynical about RELAX NG; for in the face of all aridity and disenchantment in the world of markup, Ja

Re: discuss: NauSite Public License

2002-11-21 Thread John Cowan
e License 1.2 instead, which serves the same purposes but also provides the mutual patent defense (sue for patent infringement, lose your license), which is good for authors, and the warranty of copyright ownership, which is good for end users. http://www.opensource.org/licenses/academic.php -- J

Re: time frame between request for approval and acknowledgement of request?

2002-11-21 Thread John Cowan
slight wastage when one or more list members are typing rejections at the same time, but I think that's better than injecting an extra delay into an already slow and painful process. -- There is / One art John Cowan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> No more / No less

Re: discuss: Request for license approval...

2002-11-20 Thread John Cowan
k stoopid suing you in that situation. -- What is the sound of Perl? Is it not the John Cowan sound of a [Ww]all that people have stopped [EMAIL PROTECTED] banging their head against? --Larryhttp://www.ccil.org/~cowan -- license-discuss archive is at http://crynwr.com/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi?3

Re: discuss: Request for license approval...

2002-11-20 Thread John Cowan
you will not add to the queue and you will be able to call your software "OSI Certified" right away. I think the Open Software License 1.1 in particular would serve you well. -- We call nothing profound[EMAIL PROTECTED] that is not wittily expresse

Re: discuss: Request for license approval...

2002-11-20 Thread John Cowan
e code really belongs to Googgun, which it should do, because Googgun is in a better position to know that than others are. -- XQuery Blueberry DOM John Cowan Entity parser dot-com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Abstract schemata

Re: Is the OpenMap license Open Source?

2002-11-20 Thread John Cowan
Colin 't Hart scripsit: > At http://www.openmap.org/ it is claimed that > the OpenMap(TM) package is Open Source. Wandering > over to www.opensource.org I find this claim no > longer means what it used to, and that it doesn't > mean that much if it doesn't say 'OSI Certified'. Well, it can't be t

Re: a data licensing problem

2002-11-08 Thread John Cowan
What does this all have to do with the OSD? -- He made the Legislature meet at one-horse John Cowan tank-towns out in the alfalfa belt, so that [EMAIL PROTECTED] hardly nobody could get there and most of http://www.reutershealth.com the leaders would stay home and let him go http:

Re: [OT] TINLA

2002-11-08 Thread John Cowan
at it's not defined in any acronym lists or jargon files. -- They do not preach John Cowan that their God will rouse them[EMAIL PROTECTED] A little before the nuts work loose.http://www.ccil.org/~cowan They do not teach

Re: a data licensing problem

2002-11-08 Thread John Cowan
they did, you're selling the "real" > dataset, not an in-coverted one. I'm sorry, but this is absolutely unintelligible, unless you are trolling me. Windows programmers are just as smart, one by one, as open-source ones. -- John Cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ccil.org/~cowa

Re: a data licensing problem

2002-11-08 Thread John Cowan
people who get to use the information free can undersell you not with the information itself but with the products of its use. -- He made the Legislature meet at one-horse John Cowan tank-towns out in the alfalfa belt, so that [EMAIL PROTECTED] hardly nobody could get there a

Re: a data licensing problem

2002-11-08 Thread John Cowan
how very different the definitions are: no content-form merger here! The exemplary quotations are generally considered fair use, although I don't know of any actual court cases about this. IANAL, TINLA. -- John Cowan<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://

Re: a data licensing problem

2002-11-08 Thread John Cowan
asphemous flutes from inconceivable, unlighted chambers beyond Time; the detestable pounding and piping whereunto dance slowly, awkwardly, and absurdly the gigantic tenebrous ultimate gods -- the blind, voiceless, mindless gargoyles whose soul is Nyarlathotep. (Lovecraft) John Cowan|[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: a data licensing problem

2002-11-08 Thread John Cowan
cense for Motif. We decided that that scheme was not OSD-compliant, and indeed it never claimed to be. -- He made the Legislature meet at one-horse John Cowan tank-towns out in the alfalfa belt, so that [EMAIL PROTECTED] hardly nobody could get there and most of http://www.reuters

Re: Approval Requested for AFL 1.2 and OSL 1.1

2002-11-06 Thread John Cowan
the equivalent laws of other countries, and international # treaty. This section shall survive the termination of this License. So both the law to be used and the courts to be used depend on the location of the licensor. -- A mosquito cried out in his pain, John Cowan "A ch

Re: Approval Requested for AFL 1.2 and OSL 1.1

2002-11-06 Thread John Cowan
l my software OSI Certified until the board acts. I agree that asking too often is a Bad Thing, but when Larry believes he is done, it is appropriate for him to ask. -- John Cowan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.ccil.org/~cowan http://www.reutersheal

Re: Starting a new Open Source Project

2002-11-04 Thread John Cowan
r seem to > the second since they were initially started by a single individual, or the > third since they grew considerably in size. Linux is the best-known example of the first case: the parts are under varying copyright ownership and with varying (though all GPL-compatible) licenses. --

Re: Plan 9 license

2002-11-03 Thread John Cowan
in the course of business. I don't consider this a problem with the OSL, but it does seem bizarre for OSI to approve the OSL and not the P9L on this ground. There may be other grounds not to approve the P9L. -- Even a refrigerator can conform to the XML John Cowan Infoset, as long as

Re: Plan 9 license

2002-11-03 Thread John Cowan
tonous whine of blasphemous flutes from inconceivable, unlighted chambers beyond Time; the detestable pounding and piping whereunto dance slowly, awkwardly, and absurdly the gigantic tenebrous ultimate gods -- the blind, voiceless, mindless gargoyles whose soul is Nyarlathotep. (Lovecraft) John

Re: a proposed change to the OSD

2002-11-02 Thread John Cowan
by law. The trick is to get this to be true in all possible jurisdictions, which is an awful lot of them these days. -- John Cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ccil.org/~cowan www.reutershealth.com "In computer science, we stand on each other's feet." --Brian K. Reid -- license

Re: a proposed change to the OSD

2002-11-02 Thread John Cowan
ued such a warranty whether he has or not. The warranty disclaimer is an attempt to dispose of this obligation, and 1) it may not work at all in some jurisdictions, and 2) it surely will not work unless the manufacturer SHOUTS it at the consumer in an unmistakable place. -- Winter: MIT,

Re: Plan 9 license

2002-11-01 Thread John Cowan
s > comments on the OSL.) I'd rather he waited for OSL 1.1 to be released. I think he'd accept it as free-incompatible-with-GPL. -- John Cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ccil.org/~cowan www.reutershealth.com "The competent programmer is fully aware of the strictly limited size of h

Re: Plan 9 license

2002-11-01 Thread John Cowan
for this Package itself. However, you # may distribute this Package in aggregate with other (possibly commercial) # programs as part of a larger (possibly commercial) software distribution # provided that you do not advertise this Package as a product of your own. Looks like the

Re: Plan 9 license

2002-11-01 Thread John Cowan
ints of RMS at http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/plan-nine.html seem to apply with equal force to the Perl license (which he calls unFree) and the OSL 1.0, with the exception of the termination-on-any-IP-lawsuit provision. I assume that the Lucida fonts could be treated as severab

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