RE: University of Illinois/NCSA Open Source License

2002-03-25 Thread Lawrence E. Rosen
John McEntire pointed out to me earlier today that I need to close on the questions I raised about the University of Illinois/NCSA Open Source License. As I said in my earlier email, I believe that license is consistent with the OSD and that it warrants approval by the OSI board of directors. I

RE: Discuss: UoI/NCSA Open Source License

2002-03-20 Thread John Taylor McEntire
PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 5:52 PM To: John Taylor McEntire Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Discuss: UoI/NCSA Open Source License John, I really appreciate the clear focus you presented in your rationale for your UoI/NCSA Open Source License. There are good reasons to merge the BSD

RE: Discuss: UoI/NCSA Open Source License

2002-03-18 Thread John Taylor McEntire
rather than being merely redundant. John McEntire -Original Message- From: David Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 11:40 PM To: John Taylor McEntire; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Discuss: UoI/NCSA Open Source License On Thursday 14 March 2002 01:26 pm, John

RE: Discuss: UoI/NCSA Open Source License

2002-03-18 Thread Lawrence E. Rosen
John, I really appreciate the clear focus you presented in your rationale for your UoI/NCSA Open Source License. There are good reasons to merge the BSD and MIT licenses into a clearer, but still short, open source license -- and you stated those reasons well. I believe your license

Re: Discuss: UoI/NCSA Open Source License

2002-03-16 Thread John Cowan
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Discuss: UoI/NCSA Open Source License

2002-03-15 Thread John Taylor McEntire
. Included as text to this e-mail is the University of Illinois/NCSA Open Source License for your review and consideration as an approved OSI open source license. This license is a combination of the already-approved MIT and BSD licenses. However, the combined text is more explicit regarding the granted

Re: Discuss: UoI/NCSA Open Source License

2002-03-15 Thread David Johnson
On Thursday 14 March 2002 01:26 pm, John Taylor McEntire wrote: Included as text to this e-mail is the University of Illinois/NCSA Open Source License for your review and consideration as an approved OSI open source license. This license is a combination of the already-approved MIT and BSD

RE: NCSA Open Source License

2002-01-21 Thread Lawrence E. Rosen
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Chris Gray Subject: Re: NCSA Open Source License I don't think they need to create a separate ``trademark license''. They just need to make sure that anyone who might consider releasing a product based on Apache

RE: NCSA Open Source License

2002-01-20 Thread Lawrence E. Rosen
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mark Wielaard Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 1:48 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: NCSA Open Source License Hi, On Sun, 2002-01-20 at 06:15, Albert Chin wrote: On Wed, Jan 16, 2002 at 07:29:12PM -0800, Brian Behlendorf wrote: Um, no. We

RE: NCSA Open Source License

2002-01-20 Thread Mark Wielaard
Hi, On Sun, 2002-01-20 at 19:50, Lawrence E. Rosen wrote: The suggestion that the Apache Foundation create a separate trademark license is legally not possible, at least without many more controls over the quality of derivative works than would be acceptable by the open source community.

Re: NCSA Open Source License

2002-01-20 Thread Rui Miguel Seabra
Hello, As pt_PT translator and rpm packager of AbiWord, I have something to say about this: On Sun, Jan 20, 2002 at 08:59:12PM +0100, Mark Wielaard wrote: Isn't this what AbiSource does. They have the following statement about their product: snip For more information see

RE: NCSA Open Source License

2002-01-20 Thread Lawrence E. Rosen
: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: NCSA Open Source License Hi, On Sun, 2002-01-20 at 19:50, Lawrence E. Rosen wrote: The suggestion that the Apache Foundation create a separate trademark license is legally not possible, at least without many more controls over the quality of derivative

Re: NCSA Open Source License

2002-01-19 Thread Albert Chin
On Wed, Jan 16, 2002 at 07:29:12PM -0800, Brian Behlendorf wrote: On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, Bruce Perens wrote: OK - one might consider that it's one license _text_ rather than 4, but yes it's three licenses. Is it possible to sucessfully lobby Apache to get rid of the advertising clause? They

RE: NCSA Open Source License

2002-01-17 Thread Lawrence E. Rosen
: NCSA Open Source License On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, Bruce Perens wrote: OK - one might consider that it's one license _text_ rather than 4, but yes it's three licenses. Is it possible to sucessfully lobby Apache to get rid of the advertising clause? They probably have enough experience

Re: NCSA Open Source License

2002-01-17 Thread 'Bruce Perens'
On Thu, Jan 17, 2002 at 02:38:20PM -0800, Lawrence E. Rosen wrote: Bruce, the so-called advertising clause in the Apache license is extremely important. As I stated in one of my columns in Linux Journal, trademark protection is, in some respects, even more important to open source companies

NCSA Open Source License

2002-01-16 Thread Bruce Perens
I am corresponding with NCSA regarding some work Open Source work that they would be doing with partial funding from HP. One of the Open Source licenses they use is the BSD license, but with the preliminary paragraph of the MIT license replacing the BSD preliminary paragraph. This creates a

Re: NCSA Open Source License

2002-01-16 Thread Bruce Perens
That would be three licenses, I think. OK - one might consider that it's one license _text_ rather than 4, but yes it's three licenses. Is it possible to sucessfully lobby Apache to get rid of the advertising clause? They probably have enough experience now to see it's had no positive effect.

Re: NCSA Open Source License

2002-01-16 Thread Bruce Perens
Yes, I saw the present advertising clause. It's close to being a no-op, but if you want it there, I guess I can't make much headway in this. Well, what do you folks plan to do when faced with yet another BSD/MIT license? Thanks Bruce -- license-discuss archive is at

Re: NCSA Open Source License

2002-01-16 Thread Russell Nelson
Bruce Perens writes: Yes, I saw the present advertising clause. It's close to being a no-op, but if you want it there, I guess I can't make much headway in this. Well, what do you folks plan to do when faced with yet another BSD/MIT license? Approve it. We judge licenses by one set of

Re: NCSA Open Source License

2002-01-16 Thread Bruce Perens
From: Russell Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Approve it. We judge licenses by one set of criteria: the OSD. We do, it is admitted, sometimes attempt to convince people to use an existing license. Feel free to try this with NCSA. Yes, I'm trying. I will probably bring you folks in to help at some