Re: [License-discuss] Open Source Eventually License Development

2013-08-19 Thread Bradley M. Kuhn
Richard Fontana wrote at 08:20 (EDT): Not with an exception in the GPLv2 exception sense, and not without the result being (A)GPLv3-incompatible, since under TGPPL each downstream distributor appears to be required to give the grace period. ISTR that Zooko was willing to drop that requirement

Re: [License-discuss] Open source license chooser choosealicense.com launched.

2013-08-19 Thread Richard Fontana
On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 11:10:52AM -0400, Pamela Chestek wrote: On 8/17/2013 9:38 PM, Richard Fontana wrote: Speaking just for myself, it is difficult for me to imagine any license chooser or license explanation site that I wouldn't think was more problematic than useful. Linking

[License-discuss] Unlicense CC0 and patents

2013-08-19 Thread Prashant Shah
Hi, http://unlicense.org/ http://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/legalcode What is the difference between CC0 and unlicense ? CCO clearly specifies that patents are not licensed but I am not sure how patents are treated in unlicense since nothing is specified. CC0 : *4. Limitations

Re: [License-discuss] Open source license chooser choosealicense.com launched.

2013-08-19 Thread Jim Jagielski
The problem/issue is that it is difficult to address licenses without, imo at least, the politics of said license leaking in. It is difficult to write things without personal biases filtering out, something which happens with me fwiw. On Aug 17, 2013, at 8:59 PM, Bradley M. Kuhn bk...@ebb.org

Re: [License-discuss] Open source license chooser choosealicense.com launched.

2013-08-19 Thread Pamela Chestek
On 8/18/2013 10:21 PM, Richard Fontana wrote: I really believe it is best for anyone to try to read the actual license in question. A summary can be a reasonable starting point, but it especially bothers me if it is distorted (as I think it may almost always be) by political or cultural bias.

Re: [License-discuss] Open source license chooser choosealicense.com launched.

2013-08-19 Thread Tzeng, Nigel H.
Speaking for myself I find the CC mechanism and license chooser quite nice and not problematic at all for the vast majority of use cases. On 8/17/13 9:38 PM, Richard Fontana font...@sharpeleven.org wrote: Speaking just for myself, it is difficult for me to imagine any license chooser or license

Re: [License-discuss] Open Source Eventually License Development

2013-08-19 Thread Clark C. Evans
On Sun, Aug 18, 2013, at 02:25 PM, Eben Moglen wrote: You seem determined to take offense, Mr Cowan. Dr. Moglen, I'd like to highlight Cowan's advice since I've found it very helpful (and completely un-obvious) in my own life: Civil apologies require confession, contrition, and

Re: [License-discuss] Unlicense CC0 and patents

2013-08-19 Thread John Cowan
Prashant Shah scripsit: CCO clearly specifies that patents are not licensed but I am not sure how patents are treated in unlicense since nothing is specified. The presence of the patent verbs use and sell and the use of uncumbered suggest that there is a patent license, but no more than

Re: [License-discuss] Open source license chooser choosealicense.com launched.

2013-08-19 Thread Engel Nyst
Hello license-discuss, On 08/18/2013 04:38 AM, Richard Fontana wrote: Independent of this point, I'm concerned about inaccurate statements made on the choosealicense.com site (one that we talked about was the assertion that GPLv3 restricts use in hardware that forbids software alterations).

Re: [License-discuss] Open Source Eventually License Development

2013-08-19 Thread Bradley M. Kuhn
John Cowan wrote at 13:27 (EDT) on Sunday: == licensing content ends here, the rest is about civil behavior == I've already written to Larry privately to this point, but given that this subset of the conversation has raged on, I'd like to echo John's point: I think many comments on this thread

Re: [License-discuss] Open Source Eventually License Development

2013-08-19 Thread zooko
On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 08:44:02PM -0400, Bradley M. Kuhn wrote: Zooko, It might be worth mentioning here that you and I have had discussions for years about the idea of drafting TGPPL as a set of exceptions to Affero GPLv3 and/or GPLv3. I believe this is indeed possible, but requires a

Re: [License-discuss] Unlicense CC0 and patents

2013-08-19 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Prashant Shah (pshah.mum...@gmail.com): Hi, 'Lo. http://unlicense.org/ http://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/legalcode What is the difference between CC0 and unlicense ? CCO contains a well-drafted fallback to permissive terms in the event that its primary intent runs