own use?
John Cowan says yes:
http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/faq/modifications
Dan Bernstein says no:
http://cr.yp.to/softwarelaw.html
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explicitly disallows internal distribution
without opening the code.
And the old QPL was not considered free by the FSF.
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the
software from them. But that is not the concern of this list.
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From The Devil's Dictionary (1881-1906) [devil]:
LAWYER, n. One skilled in circumvention of the law.
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can sell free software, but to *continue* selling you need to add
some bells and whistles to it ... like .
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? Does not the doctrine of equals bargaining on
equal strength apply?
This is Not just a piece of spyware disguised as a p2p app, and
intended to be used by the ordinary John L. User.
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Can't help asking -
1. Is this _license_ redistributable? ;)
2. And if you find a means of circumventing the restrictions placed on
your copy of the _software_ by the license, will you be violating
the DMCA?
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Freedom
legal situation here with US law,
German law, Indian law, and probably some other laws as well
applying...
More Grin Only that this kind of problem is a bit off topic for this
list; but relevant for most members.
And do go through Rick's post in this thread.
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Stephen C. North said on Wed, May 12, 2004 at 04:10:15PM -0400,:
1. If you are an entity, or an individual other than the person
accepting this Agreement, the person accepting this Agreement on
your behalf is your legally authorized representative, duly
authorized to
tool for editing and saving PDFs of which I'm
not yet aware?
FSF India says the government should not use the portable document
format. See http://www.gnu.org.in/philosophy/mitrules.html
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in
compressed or uncompressed form (Binary Distribution) is not
covered by this license.
p
General consensus is that binaries are modified/derived versions of
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, But having to call packages to which trivial changes have
been applied (say, of the kind made by distros) by a different name
can splinter the users' perception of FLOSS software, thus proving to
be counter productive.
Is/should OSI be concerned with this issue?
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Lawrence E
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different if the statements *both* were *is* instead of implies. It
does not help if the 2nd statement alone was `implies'.
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messages are archived by me though.
(*) The ASL and GNU GPL.
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laws? We should try to change the law.
But that is work for another list ...
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in
majority of the files making up the kernel sources is at present in
the US thus making the job easier ...
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discourage software freedom for all licensees.
OSD #6 does that. #5 and #6 are entirely distinct. Combining the two
will muddle up every thing.
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and distributed
it under a University of California license.
/quote
The GPL was conceived in 1985, but v. 1.0 was published only in 1989,
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fragmentation of s/w, and
s/w which will not interact with each other.
OSSAL explicitly enables this.
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to which the s/w is put to.
Restrictions not military uses will render the license non-free, an I
guess that the OSI would not certify such restrictions.
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. and corporates
who control the legislative and treaty making process. Do not blame
the poor user for the desparate attempts by the well heeled, long
pursed and powerful lobbyists out there to retain control over the
purse strings.
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. The law will operate
whether you specify jurisdiction or not.
Almost every country specifies that suits for damages should be
brought at the place of residence / business of the defendant. You
can rarely contract out of that.
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explain that? I mean what is likely to happen to
'undo' the achievements.
Also, please clarify in what way you expect further support from the
community. (may be, you can tell us a point or two we should tell the
W3C).
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of computers in those several offices, homes and
schools around the globe, which can be trusted to force the users to
buy the software (not necessarily computer programs) *and* hardware
from the 'trustworthless' few. T
Cheers, Nathan.
Nothing to cheer about that.
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is attracted if the program displays when run. In a typical
GUI environment, the usual place to say that would be help about
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consent
places too much control in the hands of the author.
But then, in copyleft sense, consent is for the product liability
clauses in the licenses, not the copyright grants.
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itself.
There is no legal precedent on GPL coz. it is clear enough, and coz.
it is clear enough, no need for the 'assistance' of a court arose.
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code written by Y and was modified by X
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Sujita Purushothaman wrote:
Hello, Are discussions on the GPL allowed? :-) I'd like to ask,
when A writes a program and distributes it under the
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John Cowan wrote:
I suggest the GPL. Although you cannot rewrite the GPL wholesale, you can
add exceptions to it, thus:
As a special exception to the above license, you may do whatever
And then, you should not call it the GPL.
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it is they are
reading on the screen.
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excluded.
I am not aware of the US / Colorado law. But, if the US is a party to
the convention, my understanding of the law of international
obligations is that the courts in the US are bound to enforce the
Convention.
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other (possibly commercial) programs as part of a larger (possibly
commercial) software distribution provided that you do not advertise this
Package as a product of your own./p
I feel that author's objectives should be redefined before the license is
re-written.
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Mahesh T. Pai
every
person who is potentially liable, including Robert Samuel White are are
protected. Of course, I am open to other suggestions also ... but they might be
more verbose.
Re. PHP license, I do not know if that one is OSS certified.
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Robert Samuel White wrote:
I've been giving much thought to this, because eNetwizard is entirely
code-based, there is no installation module, so I cannot very well put it in
what has been called on this list as a click-wrap!
Umm, I do not think that tis list has considered such kinds of
actually wanted?
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Seth Johnson wrote:
The guts of it is: Can an open source EULA exclude certain parties and uses?
There is no such thing as a EULA in OSS. If it is opensource, there is no
distinction between End User and a developer.
The term End User in a EULA comes from the law of copyrights. The makers
violation of the GPL.
As far as I can tell from the GPL, all sources that do not belong to the
standard system install have to be provided, not just the name of the lib
used.
Yes. You are correct there.
Having said all this, Im afraid that the subject is off-topic for this list.
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) (It is 21.50 hrs, 20 August, 2002,
as I am writing this).
2. You use the above link exactly. I am still building the intermediate
pages.
Please contact me if there is any difficulty.
Regards,
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Mahesh T Pai wrote:
Scott Fenton wrote:
[NOTE: this is slightly OT, but I think
;).
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TO ENSURE WHETHER THIS SOFTWARE MEETS YOUR REQUIREMENTS. THE
developer IS NOT IN ANY WAY RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY LOSS CAUSED TO YOU
FROM YOUR USE OF THE SOFTWARE.
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This puts the developer in a stronger position when faced with product
liability suits.
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the user.
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notice we have been debating for some time now.
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to disclaim product liability.
Regarding protection of the programmers' copyrights, unless the user
accepts the license, he (the user) cannot distribute the software, anyway.
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Lawrence E. Rosen wrote:
Mahesh T. Pai wrote:
Here, we are presented with a case where one click is
intended to indicate assent to license A, B, C, D, E,
(ad infinitum; minimum 800 as in a linux distro). No, the
click wrap notice will not hold in a court of law.
Want to bet? Whose
the scope of (compulsory) statutory product liability.
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Lawrence E. Rosen wrote:
I welcome your feedback.
Licensor hereby grants You a world-wide, royalty-free, non-exclusive,
perpetual, non-sublicenseable license to do the following:
Does not re-distribution amount to sublicense?
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for a Unicode
aware program, a click through license *and* access to source code
*might* help; especially if he (the user) does not tell you what he is
looking for.
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Several packages of GPL'ed software for Win 32 come click wrapped. eg:-
Bloodshed C++ from www.bloodshed.net and audacity. (any body want more
examples?) If you do not click the accept button, the installation aborts.
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Russell Nelson wrote:
The time is coming when you won't
option, except to recognize
and accept use-wrap.
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David Johnson wrote:
The
first is where the license is presented during installation or first usage.
The second is where the license is presented before one can acquire the
software. I'll refer to the first as use-wrap
in this respect. I feel that this is one clause which ought to be
included in the GPL also.
Such a clause would be in conformance with, and indeed more relevant in
light of open source business strategy of charging support and services
rather that the initial down payments.
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for copyright violation.
Well..
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such elitist mentalities, (if it exists at all) and settle
on some standard terminology.
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and if Cl. 8 is supposed to mean that by creating a derived work from
this product, you impliedly licence us your names and logos (in other
words, your trademarks), your will have put that in very explicit words.
With regards,
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Bernard Nyman wrote:
I am acting for a UK-based book publisher that is proposing to publish
a book for programmers concerning a particular Adobe design software
product and they want to include a tryout version of the software on a
CD to be distributed with the book. Adobe have agreed
more
elaborately
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