Re: [License-discuss] licenses for hosted services

2016-08-06 Thread Stephen Paul Weber
> AGPL doesn't affect for-profit hosting.  Not directly, of course, but it will discourage any BigCo running off to kill you with proprietary extensions that they host. Which is why I said it's as close in spirit as you can get on this side of open source.

Re: [License-discuss] licenses for hosted services

2016-08-05 Thread William Edney
board is probably not the best place for trying to do that. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: License-discuss [mailto:license-discuss-boun...@opensource.org] On >> Behalf Of Miles Fidelman >> Sent: Friday, August 05, 2016 1:15 PM >> To: license-discuss@opensou

Re: [License-discuss] licenses for hosted services

2016-08-05 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Miles Fidelman (mfidel...@meetinghouse.net): > There are those who disagree, myself included. (And what makes > Engel Nyst the last word on such matters?) As I'm sure you are aware, I merely meant that Mr. Nyst expressed my view well enough that it would be redundant effort to write up

Re: [License-discuss] licenses for hosted services

2016-08-05 Thread Kevin Fleming
Keep in mind also that if you have any plans to accept contributions to this codebase (having it be an open source project, instead of just open source software), using such a license could be quite an impediment. Having additional copyright holders, who are potentially involved in any actions you

Re: [License-discuss] licenses for hosted services

2016-08-05 Thread Miles Fidelman
On 8/5/16 5:02 PM, Rick Moen wrote: Quoting Miles Fidelman (mfidel...@meetinghouse.net): Seems to me that this is an open source business model, just not one where all things are free. Sorry, no. This comes up quite a bit, and Engel Nyst gave back in 2013 the answer I'd give, so here's his

Re: [License-discuss] licenses for hosted services

2016-08-05 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Miles Fidelman (mfidel...@meetinghouse.net): > Seems to me that this is an open source business model, just not one > where all things are free. Sorry, no. This comes up quite a bit, and Engel Nyst gave back in 2013 the answer I'd give, so here's his answer:

Re: [License-discuss] licenses for hosted services

2016-08-05 Thread Miles Fidelman
: Friday, August 05, 2016 1:15 PM To: license-discuss@opensource.org <mailto:license-discuss@opensource.org> Subject: Re: [License-discuss] licenses for hosted services Thanks for the starting points, folks. I'm starting to think something like a dual license - AGPL for

Re: [License-discuss] licenses for hosted services

2016-08-05 Thread Miles Fidelman
scuss@opensource.org Subject: Re: [License-discuss] licenses for hosted services Thanks for the starting points, folks. I'm starting to think something like a dual license - AGPL for non-commercial uses (AGPL + borrow some of the language from CC BY-NC-*), and, - Most of the terms of AGPL (re. dow

Re: [License-discuss] licenses for hosted services

2016-08-05 Thread William Edney
..@opensource.org] On > Behalf Of Miles Fidelman > Sent: Friday, August 05, 2016 1:15 PM > To: license-discuss@opensource.org > Subject: Re: [License-discuss] licenses for hosted services > > Thanks for the starting points, folks. > > I'm starting to think something

Re: [License-discuss] licenses for hosted services

2016-08-05 Thread Smith, McCoy
place for trying to do that. -Original Message- From: License-discuss [mailto:license-discuss-boun...@opensource.org] On Behalf Of Miles Fidelman Sent: Friday, August 05, 2016 1:15 PM To: license-discuss@opensource.org Subject: Re: [License-discuss] licenses for hosted services T

Re: [License-discuss] licenses for hosted services

2016-08-05 Thread Miles Fidelman
Thanks for the starting points, folks. I'm starting to think something like a dual license - AGPL for non-commercial uses (AGPL + borrow some of the language from CC BY-NC-*), and, - Most of the terms of AGPL (re. download of source, etc.) + a license fee for commercial use in an SaaS offering

Re: [License-discuss] licenses for hosted services

2016-08-05 Thread Lawrence Rosen
Miles Fidelman wrote: I'm wondering if anybody has any experience or thoughts about licenses that permit self-hosting, and free hosting, but require a license fee for for-profit hosting. Stephen Paul Weber responded: Of course, such a license would not be open source. However, I believe that

Re: [License-discuss] licenses for hosted services

2016-08-05 Thread Stephen Paul Weber
> I'm wondering if anybody has any experience or thoughts about licenses that > permit self-hosting, and free hosting, but require a license fee for > for-profit hosting. Of course, such a license would not be open source. However, I believe that AGPL would get you very close to the spirit of

Re: [License-discuss] licenses for hosted services

2016-08-05 Thread Smith, McCoy
There are any number of licenses written in this way. CC BY-NC-* for example. None of them are open source, however. See OSD 1 & 6. You might want to post on a non-open source bulletin board. -Original Message- From: License-discuss [mailto:license-discuss-boun...@opensource.org] On