Re: critical issues

2011-01-01 Thread Werner LEMBERG
Look, we simply *cannot* offer users anything that would be reasonable by most standards. We have highly embarrassing bugs from 2006 that we're not even *pretending* to be working on. We've been in release crunch mode for at least six months. The only glimmer of hope on the horizon is

Re: critical issues

2011-01-01 Thread Werner LEMBERG
What we would need is a payed full-time developer. I have forgotten to say that such a developer needs certain skills in addition to C++ and Scheme, namely being a musician... Werner ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org

Re: critical issues

2011-01-01 Thread Werner LEMBERG
I'm not optimistic about that; I think a more realistic opportunity would be to get some grant money from some artistic organization. Mhmm. `Programming' in its broadest sense is research, thus getting grants limits the number of persons enormously. However, the number of music researchers

Re: critical issues

2011-01-01 Thread Trevor Daniels
Graham Percival wrote Saturday, January 01, 2011 7:16 AM Nope, for precisely the reason you gave earlier: our documentation generally has zero input from programmers, so it's not at all a good representation of what's intended. We have a set of intended to be working examples. They're

Re: critical issues

2011-01-01 Thread Jan Warchoł
2011/1/1 Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org: What we would need is a payed full-time developer.  However, this is expensive.  Assuming that the programmer has a family with children, an appartment, etc., and to provide a reasonably good living for him or her, this would be about 3000 Euros a month

Re: critical issues

2011-01-01 Thread Graham Percival
On Sat, Jan 01, 2011 at 09:39:37AM +0100, Werner LEMBERG wrote: I'm not optimistic about that; I think a more realistic opportunity would be to get some grant money from some artistic organization. Mhmm. `Programming' in its broadest sense is research, thus getting grants limits the

Re: critical issues

2011-01-01 Thread David Kastrup
Keith OHara k-ohara5...@oco.net writes: On Fri, 31 Dec 2010 16:31:23 -0800, Trevor Daniels t.dani...@treda.co.uk wrote: ... the concern I had was this. Quite a lot of the documentation was written, not by inspecting the code to see what was intended, but by experimenting and writing up

lilypond too noisy on the cmd line

2011-01-01 Thread Mark Veltzer
Hello all! First is first: thanks for a great piece of software. This is a long standing feature request for me which you probably got from hundreds of other users but I sent it anyway since I see it as a major pain. When I run lilypond it is too noisy. It prints out lots of stuff (version,

Re: critical issues

2011-01-01 Thread David Kastrup
Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes: In my idle moments, I like to discourage myself by trying to figure out how long it would take to achieve something reasonable for users. Let's play this game now, and start making some unrealistic-but-just-possible assumptions: 1. reasonable

Re: lilypond too noisy on the cmd line

2011-01-01 Thread Graham Percival
On Sat, Jan 01, 2011 at 09:49:10AM +, Mark Veltzer wrote: - version, progress and general messages which are not error messages should go to stdout and NOT stderr. Good point; I've added this as http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=1468 - a --quiet flag should be added to

Re: lilypond too noisy on the cmd line

2011-01-01 Thread David Kastrup
Mark Veltzer mark.velt...@gmail.com writes: First is first: thanks for a great piece of software. This is a long standing feature request for me which you probably got from hundreds of other users but I sent it anyway since I see it as a major pain. When I run lilypond it is too noisy. It

Re: critical issues

2011-01-01 Thread Karl Hammar
Graham: On Sat, Jan 01, 2011 at 09:10:49AM +0100, Werner LEMBERG wrote: ... But maybe there is a group of LilyPond philanthropists who can afford this and are willing to do so... I'm not optimistic about that; I think a more realistic opportunity would be to get some grant money from some

Re: default .ly file in Windows Install seems to be

2011-01-01 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: Jonathan Kulp jonlancek...@gmail.com To: Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca Cc: James Lowe james.l...@datacore.com; lilypond-devel@gnu.org Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 1:33 AM Subject: Re: default .ly file in Windows Install seems to be On Fri, Dec

Re: lilypond too noisy on the cmd line

2011-01-01 Thread Mark Veltzer
Hello all, This is in response to David Kastrup. - startup and shutdown messages. These are not usually omitted to stderr, or at least 99.99% of the tools out there do not do it. Most tools actually *have no* startup and shutdown messages. If you have other info then I'd appreciate a list of

Re: lilypond too noisy on the cmd line

2011-01-01 Thread David Santamauro
Hi, On Sat, 1 Jan 2011 10:19:18 + Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca wrote: On Sat, Jan 01, 2011 at 09:49:10AM +, Mark Veltzer wrote: - version, progress and general messages which are not error messages should go to stdout and NOT stderr. Good point; I've added this as

Re: lilypond too noisy on the cmd line

2011-01-01 Thread David Kastrup
Mark Veltzer mark.velt...@gmail.com writes: - stderr is called stderr and not stddiag since it is intended for errors. I agree that stdout is intended for further processing but lilypond *does not* create any further data for further processing so stdout could be used for version and other

Re: Updates to bagpipe.ly

2011-01-01 Thread Sven Axelsson
On 31 December 2010 23:53, Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca wrote: On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 05:35:43PM +0100, Sven Axelsson wrote: Perhaps a starting point would be if someone could have a look at what I'm doing in https://github.com/svenax/bagpipemusic/. The relevant file is

issue 1464 (was: a plea to new contributors)

2011-01-01 Thread Matthias Kilian
On Sat, Jan 01, 2011 at 06:51:49AM +, Graham Percival wrote: The next step in issue 1464 is just to create a backtrace. See the blurb below this mail (no, I'm not going to sign up at google for adding it there). I don't know why gdb doesn't find paper-column.hh, but anyaway... it looks

Re: Issue 1268 in lilypond: [PATCH] span-bar problem

2011-01-01 Thread Benkő Pál
hi Joe, do you think my patch is a good start? Yes, but you need to be careful about what happens when bar-size is set. Currently, your patch will break (for example) input/regression/drums.ly because it ignores bar-size. well, I admit I haven't run regtests, but I did now and (having found

Re: issue 1464 (was: a plea to new contributors)

2011-01-01 Thread Matthias Kilian
On Sat, Jan 01, 2011 at 02:10:04PM +0100, Matthias Kilian wrote: I don't know why gdb doesn't find paper-column.hh, but anyaway... it looks like Item::get_column() returns NULL, because its parent's get_column() returns NULL (I checked that the parent on the X_AXIS itself is not NULL).

Updates to bagpipe.ly (issue3825043)

2011-01-01 Thread percival . music . ca
looks mostly ok, but I don't know what's up with those beaming rules. http://codereview.appspot.com/3825043/diff/1/ly/bagpipe.ly File ly/bagpipe.ly (right): http://codereview.appspot.com/3825043/diff/1/ly/bagpipe.ly#newcode72 ly/bagpipe.ly:72: #(override-auto-beam-setting '(end * * * *) 1 2

Re: PDF hyperlinks

2011-01-01 Thread Dan Eble
On 2010-12-27, at 15:14 , Dan Eble wrote: Here's some prototype code which works for me in 2.13.9. Correction: 2.13.18. -- Dan ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel

Fix 1464 (segfault with R1 and metronome) (issue3858041)

2011-01-01 Thread percival . music . ca
Reviewers: , Message: Fixes a segfault, passes the regtest comparison, code by Matthias Kilian. Description: Fix 1464 (segfault with R1 and metronome) This code came from Mathias Kilian. Please review this at http://codereview.appspot.com/3858041/ Affected files: A

Issue 1290

2011-01-01 Thread Carl Sorensen
I have a patch for Issue 1290 that fixes the improper spacing. I am currently doing a regression test. Thanks, Carl ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel

Re: a plea to new contributors

2011-01-01 Thread Graham Percival
On Sat, Jan 01, 2011 at 12:21:24PM +0100, m...@apollinemike.com wrote: I have a flight on January 4th from London to New York. I would be happy to devote the entire flight to solving two issues, but I do not want to duplicate the work of someone else. These are the current Critical

Re: issue 1464 (was: a plea to new contributors)

2011-01-01 Thread Joe Neeman
On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 2:14 AM, Matthias Kilian k...@outback.escape.dewrote: On Sat, Jan 01, 2011 at 02:10:04PM +0100, Matthias Kilian wrote: I don't know why gdb doesn't find paper-column.hh, but anyaway... it looks like Item::get_column() returns NULL, because its parent's get_column()

Re: lilypond too noisy on the cmd line

2011-01-01 Thread Graham Percival
On Sat, Jan 01, 2011 at 02:25:57AM -0500, David Santamauro wrote: On Sat, 1 Jan 2011 10:19:18 + Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca wrote: http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=1074 Patches appreciated. Unfortunately I doubt that anything will happen unless you

Re: Broken Link in CG to http://kainhofer.com/~lilypond/linkdoc/

2011-01-01 Thread Graham Percival
On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 03:38:47PM +, James Lowe wrote: In CG 5.4.3 Checking Cross References there is a para that refers to Thanks, added as http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=1469 Cheers, - Graham ___ lilypond-devel mailing list

Re: critical issues

2011-01-01 Thread Graham Percival
On Sat, Jan 01, 2011 at 01:06:04PM +0100, Karl Hammar wrote: Graham: Of course, writing artistic and research grants is a non-trivial amount of work, and it's hardly guaranteed to have any results. But I think that with the right angle -- be that collaborative folk music archival, or

Fix Issue 1290 (issue3832046)

2011-01-01 Thread Carl . D . Sorensen
Reviewers: , Message: Here is a patch to fix issue 1290. It works, but it may need to be cleaned up. I'm not sure the code is as elegant as it could be. I'm not really comfortable with all of the C++ syntax used in lilypond. Please review it carefully, and let me know how it can be improved.

Re: Fix Issue 1290 (issue3832046)

2011-01-01 Thread joeneeman
I don't know if it's important, but it may be worth mentioning somewhere that skyline-horizontal-padding works differently for VerticalAxisGroup and System. (Because in VerticalAxisGroup, skyline-horizontal-padding takes effect while the outside-staff-grobs are being placed).