Re: Allows slurs to break at barlines. (issue 7424049)

2013-03-20 Thread Werner LEMBERG
Since \partial is already taken, what about \cut? The spanner gets cut a bit, right? I can even imagine to use to commands, \start and \end to get, say, `\start(' or `\end\'. Who knows, maybe this destinction is advantageous sometime in the future. Werner

Re: Allows slurs to break at barlines. (issue 7424049)

2013-03-20 Thread Werner LEMBERG
I can even imagine to use to commands, \start and \end to get, say, `\start(' or `\end\'. Who knows, maybe this destinction is advantageous sometime in the future. Maybe even better \startOf and \endOf. Werner ___ lilypond-devel mailing list

Re: Allows slurs to break at barlines. (issue 7424049)

2013-03-20 Thread m...@mikesolomon.org
On 20 mars 2013, at 07:25, Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org wrote: I can even imagine to use to commands, \start and \end to get, say, `\start(' or `\end\'. Who knows, maybe this destinction is advantageous sometime in the future. Maybe even better \startOf and \endOf. Werner The

Re: Allows slurs to break at barlines. (issue 7424049)

2013-03-20 Thread David Kastrup
m...@mikesolomon.org m...@mikesolomon.org writes: On 20 mars 2013, at 06:07, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: m...@mikesolomon.org m...@mikesolomon.org writes: Trying to put myself in the shoes of the average user, \fake would not mean a function that uses a fake post event, but rather a

Re: Allows slurs to break at barlines. (issue 7424049)

2013-03-20 Thread m...@mikesolomon.org
On 20 mars 2013, at 07:50, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: m...@mikesolomon.org m...@mikesolomon.org writes: On 20 mars 2013, at 06:07, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: m...@mikesolomon.org m...@mikesolomon.org writes: Trying to put myself in the shoes of the average user, \fake

Re: R shorthand

2013-03-20 Thread Jan-Peter Voigt
Am 20.03.2013 02:16, schrieb David Kastrup: Kieren MacMillan kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca writes: Hi Shane, What happens when we need an awkward length R like R1*12/8*14? I'm not sure what you mean by awkward length… I'm suggesting that R (with no duration given) should give you a

Re: Allows slurs to break at barlines. (issue 7424049)

2013-03-20 Thread Trevor Daniels
m...@mikesolomon.org I completely agree. It's just that fake in English means false or counterfeit. It needs another word, just don't know what yet. unchained? free? At the risk of prolonging the bike-shedding, here's my take. For me, the key consideration is to provide an easily

Re: Allows slurs to break at barlines. (issue 7424049)

2013-03-20 Thread David Kastrup
m...@mikesolomon.org m...@mikesolomon.org writes: On 20 mars 2013, at 07:50, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: m...@mikesolomon.org m...@mikesolomon.org writes: The word fake still doesn't sit right with me... There is nothing fake about the slur: { a \fake ( b c d ) } Mike, that

Re: R shorthand

2013-03-20 Thread David Kastrup
Jan-Peter Voigt jp.vo...@gmx.de writes: [...] (ly:make-duration (inexact-exact (/ (log den)(log 2))) ... That's a terribly broken thing to do. inexact-exact does not change the value one bit, only its interpretation. A number considered to be _approximated_ by integer*2^power is now

Re: R shorthand

2013-03-20 Thread Jan-Peter Voigt
Am 20.03.2013 09:55, schrieb David Kastrup: Jan-Peter Voigt jp.vo...@gmx.de writes: [...] (ly:make-duration (inexact-exact (/ (log den)(log 2))) ... That's a terribly broken thing to do. inexact-exact does not change the value one bit, only its interpretation. A number considered to

Re: Allows slurs to break at barlines. (issue 7424049)

2013-03-20 Thread ianhulin44
\fake and \broken are concise but feel wrong, implying something's wrong with something else but the name doesn't describe it. I think a function name where we've got to resort to being clever maybe indicate we're trying to solve the wrong problem: we're trying to make the name short at the

Re: Allows slurs to break at barlines. (issue 7424049)

2013-03-20 Thread James
On 20 March 2013 12:35, ianhuli...@gmail.com wrote: \fake and \broken are concise but feel wrong, implying something's wrong with something else but the name doesn't describe it. I think a function name where we've got to resort to being clever maybe indicate we're trying to solve the wrong

Re: Allows slurs to break at barlines. (issue 7424049)

2013-03-20 Thread dak
On 2013/03/20 12:35:37, Ian Hulin (gmail) wrote: \fake and \broken are concise but feel wrong, implying something's wrong with something else but the name doesn't describe it. Without pointing out what makes you think they feel wrong, that's not helpful. I think a function name where we've

Re: Allows slurs to break at barlines. (issue 7424049)

2013-03-20 Thread dak
Yet another possibility would be \inner but that implies a hierarchy. More accurate would be \continued. https://codereview.appspot.com/7424049/ ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org

Re: Allows slurs to break at barlines. (issue 7424049)

2013-03-20 Thread Werner LEMBERG
If the design needs it at both ends of the repeated block you could consider a single keyword parameter for the function, o \slurInRepeat #'begin - to appear at the end of the block and indicate you're starting a new, partial slur and o \slurInRepeat #'complete - to appear at the

Re: Allows slurs to break at barlines. (issue 7424049)

2013-03-20 Thread dak
And yet another would be \silent as a sort of negative variant of \visual. https://codereview.appspot.com/7424049/ ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel

Re: Allows slurs to break at barlines. (issue 7424049)

2013-03-20 Thread Werner LEMBERG
More accurate would be \continued. https://codereview.appspot.com/7424049/ I like \interrupted I can live with both \continued and \interrupted. Werner ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org

Re: Allows slurs to break at barlines. (issue 7424049)

2013-03-20 Thread James
Hello On 20 March 2013 13:40, Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org wrote: More accurate would be \continued. https://codereview.appspot.com/7424049/ I like \interrupted I can live with both \continued and \interrupted. Is that with two 'r's or two 'p's or both? ... are you sure? James

Re: Allows slurs to break at barlines. (issue 7424049)

2013-03-20 Thread David Kastrup
m...@mikesolomon.org m...@mikesolomon.org writes: On 20 mars 2013, at 14:26, d...@gnu.org wrote: Yet another possibility would be \inner but that implies a hierarchy. More accurate would be \continued. https://codereview.appspot.com/7424049/ I like \interrupted I considered that but

Re: Allows slurs to break at barlines. (issue 7424049)

2013-03-20 Thread David Kastrup
Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org writes: If the design needs it at both ends of the repeated block you could consider a single keyword parameter for the function, o \slurInRepeat #'begin - to appear at the end of the block and indicate you're starting a new, partial slur and o \slurInRepeat

Re: Allows slurs to break at barlines. (issue 7424049)

2013-03-20 Thread David Kastrup
James pkx1...@gmail.com writes: Hello On 20 March 2013 13:40, Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org wrote: More accurate would be \continued. https://codereview.appspot.com/7424049/ I like \interrupted I can live with both \continued and \interrupted. Is that

Re: Allows slurs to break at barlines. (issue 7424049)

2013-03-20 Thread m...@mikesolomon.org
On 20 mars 2013, at 14:52, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: m...@mikesolomon.org m...@mikesolomon.org writes: On 20 mars 2013, at 14:26, d...@gnu.org wrote: Yet another possibility would be \inner but that implies a hierarchy. More accurate would be \continued.

Re: Allows slurs to break at barlines. (issue 7424049)

2013-03-20 Thread Werner LEMBERG
I think any further proposals should _definitely_ explain how to write the given example g f e d( \repeat { c d) e f ( } \alternatives { { g) a b( a \fake) } { \fake( e) d c( d \fake) } { \fake( d) c d( e } } d c) d c Hmm. It's not clear to me why lilypond can't handle this

Re: Allows slurs to break at barlines. (issue 7424049)

2013-03-20 Thread Xavier Scheuer
On 20 March 2013 15:01, m...@mikesolomon.org m...@mikesolomon.org wrote: I don't completely follow what you're saying above - could you say it another way? I don't follow this whole developers discussion about choosing the best command name for the users. Please correct me if I'm wrong. 1.

Re: Allows slurs to break at barlines. (issue 7424049)

2013-03-20 Thread David Kastrup
Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org writes: I think any further proposals should _definitely_ explain how to write the given example g f e d( \repeat { c d) e f ( } \alternatives { { g) a b( a \fake) } { \fake( e) d c( d \fake) } { \fake( d) c d( e } } d c) d c Hmm. It's not clear

Re: Allows slurs to break at barlines. (issue 7424049)

2013-03-20 Thread m...@mikesolomon.org
On 20 mars 2013, at 14:26, d...@gnu.org wrote: Yet another possibility would be \inner but that implies a hierarchy. More accurate would be \continued. https://codereview.appspot.com/7424049/ I like \interrupted Cheers, MS ___ lilypond-devel

Re: Allows slurs to break at barlines. (issue 7424049)

2013-03-20 Thread m...@mikesolomon.org
Sent from my iPhone On 20 mars 2013, at 16:38, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org writes: I think any further proposals should _definitely_ explain how to write the given example g f e d( \repeat { c d) e f ( } \alternatives { { g) a b( a \fake) } {

Re: Allows slurs to break at barlines. (issue 7424049)

2013-03-20 Thread m...@mikesolomon.org
On 20 mars 2013, at 18:25, m...@mikesolomon.org m...@mikesolomon.org wrote: Sent from my iPhone On 20 mars 2013, at 16:38, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org writes: I think any further proposals should _definitely_ explain how to write the given example g

Re: Allows slurs to break at barlines. (issue 7424049)

2013-03-20 Thread Werner LEMBERG
But TeX is separate enough from LilyPond that I actually like \phantom rather well for this purpose. Anything like phantom, fake and co doesn't sit right in English. [...] But there are millions of TeX users who are used to \phantom. And I believe that a lot of Lilypond users are TeX

Re: Allows slurs to break at barlines. (issue 7424049)

2013-03-20 Thread David Kastrup
m...@mikesolomon.org m...@mikesolomon.org writes: Even better, how about: \anderston The Anderston pedestrian bridge is a real life example of what we're talking about. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/M8_Bridge_to_Nowhere#section_3 I'm totally for this - it would be fantastic if people

Re: Allows slurs to break at barlines. (issue 7424049)

2013-03-20 Thread Joram Berger
Am 20.03.2013 19:10, schrieb Werner LEMBERG: But there are millions of TeX users who are used to \phantom. And I believe that a lot of Lilypond users are TeX users also. This means that those users are already acquainted with this command and can easily deduce what it does. I think knowing

Re: Allows slurs to break at barlines. (issue 7424049)

2013-03-20 Thread m...@mikesolomon.org
On 20 mars 2013, at 09:26, Trevor Daniels t.dani...@treda.co.uk wrote: m...@mikesolomon.org I completely agree. It's just that fake in English means false or counterfeit. It needs another word, just don't know what yet. unchained? free? At the risk of prolonging the

PATCHES: Countdown foe 23 March - 12:00 GMT

2013-03-20 Thread James
Hello, *Countdown – March 23th 2013 – 19:00 GMT* * * * * * * * * 3238http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=3238q=label%3APatch-countdownsort=patchcolspec=ID%20Type%20Status%20Stars%20Owner%20Patch%20Summary%20Modified Build Julien Rioux Push Patch: Fixup default prefix

Re: Allows slurs to break at barlines. (issue 7424049)

2013-03-20 Thread Werner LEMBERG
Even better, how about: \anderston Uhmm, no. :-) Werner ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel

Re: Caches the interior skylines of vertical axis groups and systems. (issue 7185044)

2013-03-20 Thread mtsolo
Hey all, Following up to my comment on the tracker, I'd like to not push this until everyone has had a chance to think through David's e-mails about 2.18. I anticipate this needing 2-3 months of user testing to catch and fix any bugs. Given that this is my first big patch since August, it'll

Re: PATCHES: Countdown foe 23 March - 12:00 GMT

2013-03-20 Thread Janek Warchoł
Hi hackers, On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 8:46 PM, James pkx1...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, 3259http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=3259q=label%3APatch-reviewsort=patchcolspec=ID%20Type%20Status%20Stars%20Owner%20Patch%20Needs%20Summary%20Modified Janek Warchol Patch: report a

Re: reorganize self_alignment_interface (issue 7768043)

2013-03-20 Thread janek . lilypond
Hi all, after some thinking i've come to a conclusion that we should keep this patch as is - just a simple rewrite of self-alignment-interface, without lots of new features and generalizations: they should be done in another patch. Doing so should make git history more logical: there will be a

Re: Allows slurs to break at barlines. (issue 7424049)

2013-03-20 Thread David Kastrup
m...@mikesolomon.org m...@mikesolomon.org writes: On 20 mars 2013, at 09:26, Trevor Daniels t.dani...@treda.co.uk wrote: m...@mikesolomon.org I completely agree. It's just that fake in English means false or counterfeit. It needs another word, just don't know what yet. unchained?

Re: Allows slurs to break at barlines. (issue 7424049)

2013-03-20 Thread Trevor Daniels
David Kastrup wrote Wednesday, March 20, 2013 10:38 PM m...@mikesolomon.org m...@mikesolomon.org writes: On 20 mars 2013, at 09:26, Trevor Daniels t.dani...@treda.co.uk wrote: At the risk of prolonging the bike-shedding, here's my take. For me, the key consideration is to provide an

Re: Allows slurs to break at barlines. (issue 7424049)

2013-03-20 Thread David Kastrup
Trevor Daniels t.dani...@treda.co.uk writes: David Kastrup wrote Wednesday, March 20, 2013 10:38 PM m...@mikesolomon.org m...@mikesolomon.org writes: On 20 mars 2013, at 09:26, Trevor Daniels t.dani...@treda.co.uk wrote: At the risk of prolonging the bike-shedding, here's my take. For

Re: Allows slurs to break at barlines. (issue 7424049)

2013-03-20 Thread David Kastrup
David Kastrup d...@gnu.org writes: Trevor Daniels t.dani...@treda.co.uk writes: What kind of word would people pick when describing a score on the phone? For a single occurence, interrupted is likely a good candidate, but five times in a row something catchier would likely win. Probably

Re: Documents make-partial-ellipse-stencil (issue 7497046)

2013-03-20 Thread graham
LGTM as long as that Paris typo is fixed. https://codereview.appspot.com/7497046/ ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel

Re: Issue 2924: Doc: \startMeasureCount and \stopMeasureCount needs documenting (issue 7678047)

2013-03-20 Thread graham
LGTM https://codereview.appspot.com/7678047/ ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel