Re: LilyPond 2.23.8 released
Le 27/04/2022 à 07:57, Freeman Gilmore a écrit : What reference manual should I use to write guile 2 for LilyPond? Thank you, ƒg All Guile manuals are here: https://www.gnu.org/software/guile/learn/ The one for Guile 2 is listed as "Guile 2.2 (the old stable release series)". Best, Jean
Re: LilyPond 2.23.8 released
On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 6:55 AM David Kastrup wrote:
> Freeman Gilmore writes:
>
> > On Tue, Apr 26, 2022 at 7:58 PM David Kastrup wrote:
> >
> >> Freeman Gilmore writes:
> >>
> >> > Is there going to be a non binary version for windows coming soon?
> >>
> >> The source code is the same independent of operating system, so you
> >> apparently don't mean "source code" when you say "non binary". What
> >> would your expectations of a "non binary version for windows" be?
> >>
> > Ok i see it now, but this was my problem. I know that the source code
> > (binary) is usually the same for all but I have never worked with
> > source code for LilyPond so when I read this, "Documentation writers
> > and testers will generally want to download the latest binary:" with 5
> > binaries listed below, *Note, the colon should be a period;* and make
> > it look like it is not the header for a listing. I may not b the only
> > dummy out there!.
>
> I don't understand what you are saying here and you write things like
> "source code (binary)"
I worded this wrong. I should have just used the word binaries.I was
mixing the two, disregarding Source code.
I do know the difference.I was looking for a program for windows. Not
being a programmer the header sentence says to use one of the following
binaries{ at least that is how I read it. So i was asking when the
programs would be listed, not understanding that this was thmn and not
binaries. I have what I need now so no need to go any further with
this..
Thank you for your help with this, ƒg
> that make pretty clear that we are still talking
i
> about entirely different things. So I repeat my question: what would
> your expectations of a "non binary version for windows" be?
>
> --
> David Kastrup
>
Re: LilyPond 2.23.8 released
Freeman Gilmore writes: > On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 10:03 AM Carl Sorensen > wrote: >> >> LilyPond does *not* have one binary for all. It has one source code for >> all. >> > That helps > >> >> I think that there can be a bit of confusion here due to the fact that two >> elements in the list aren't binaries. There are three binaries: GNU/Linux >> x86_64, macOS x86_64, and Windows x86_64. Then there are two other >> links: Source code and instructions for building with MacPorts. Perhaps we >> could separate the binaries from the other links. That's what we do on the >> stable download page. >> > > So I was wrong from the start. I was looking for the program for > windows, Windows x86_64,. not realising that the program I was looking > for was a binary which is compiled from the source code. Sorry this > is all stuff from the past at one time i understood, just confused. If it's all stuff from the past at one time you understood, there are likely enough people around for whom this is all stuff from the future they are yet to understand and it would seem like a bad idea to turn this into a roadblock for using LilyPond for them. So you certainly did highlight that we may be relying on an overabundance of technobabble fluency on our download pages. There might be a point in trying to sort and rephrase our points of first contact pages in a manner where installing LilyPond is not going to be an uphill battle already because of language problems. -- David Kastrup
Re: LilyPond 2.23.8 released
What I saw was confusing to me and should have been clear to me from my background. That is my fault. I was thinking "binaries'', now i have to compile, I do not want to do that; It is worded correctly.True it would be better to make it simpler to understand for someone that has on knowledge of programming. Something like what Carl did but using the word program instead of binary. .Too many words can have the same effect of confusion. Thank you, ƒg. On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 10:44 AM David Kastrup wrote: > Freeman Gilmore writes: > > > On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 10:03 AM Carl Sorensen < > carl.d.soren...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > >> > >> LilyPond does *not* have one binary for all. It has one source code for > >> all. > >> > > That helps > > > >> > >> I think that there can be a bit of confusion here due to the fact that > two > >> elements in the list aren't binaries. There are three binaries: > GNU/Linux > >> x86_64, macOS x86_64, and Windows x86_64. Then there are two other > >> links: Source code and instructions for building with MacPorts. > Perhaps we > >> could separate the binaries from the other links. That's what we do on > the > >> stable download page. > >> > > > > So I was wrong from the start. I was looking for the program for > > windows, Windows x86_64,. not realising that the program I was looking > > for was a binary which is compiled from the source code. Sorry this > > is all stuff from the past at one time i understood, just confused. > > If it's all stuff from the past at one time you understood, there are > likely enough people around for whom this is all stuff from the future > they are yet to understand and it would seem like a bad idea to turn > this into a roadblock for using LilyPond for them. > > So you certainly did highlight that we may be relying on an > overabundance of technobabble fluency on our download pages. > > There might be a point in trying to sort and rephrase our points of > first contact pages in a manner where installing LilyPond is not going > to be an uphill battle already because of language problems. > > -- > David Kastrup >
Re: LilyPond 2.23.8 released
On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 10:03 AM Carl Sorensen wrote: > > > On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 7:31 AM Freeman Gilmore > wrote: > >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 9:04 AM Tim's Bitstream >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Apr 26, 2022, at 9:32 PM, Freeman Gilmore >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Apr 26, 2022 at 7:58 PM David Kastrup wrote: >>> Freeman Gilmore writes: > On Mon, Apr 25, 2022 at 3:50 PM David Kastrup wrote: > >> >> We are happy to announce the release of LilyPond 2.23.8. This is termed >> a development release, but these are usually reliable. If you want to >> use the current stable version of LilyPond, we recommend using the >> 2.22.2 version. >> >> In this release, dropping Guile 1.8 support has finally become possible >> also for our sources. We'd like to dedicate this release to Ian Hulin >> who was one of the first systematically working on our numerous >> roadblocks for Guile 2 migration after tackling a few other high-level >> problems. In the time spans where his health permitted it, he was able >> to significantly reduce the amount of remaining problems for the Guile 2 >> migration after having started working on them in 2010, making the goal >> that we finally reached now more tangible for others to work on after he >> left us in 2015. >> >> -- >> David Kastrup >> > > Is there going to be a non binary version for windows coming soon? The source code is the same independent of operating system, so you apparently don't mean "source code" when you say "non binary". What would your expectations of a "non binary version for windows" be? -- David Kastrup >>> Ok i see it now, but this was my problem. I know that the source code >>> (binary) is usually the same for all but I have never worked with source >>> code for LilyPond so when I read this, "Documentation writers and >>> testers will generally want to download the latest binary:" with 5 >>> binaries listed below, *Note, the colon should be a period;* and make >>> it look like it is not the header for a listing. I may not b the only >>> dummy out there!. >>> Thank you, ƒg >>> >>> >>> This sounds like a conversation at cross purposes. >>> >>> If you want to compile your own binary from source code, download the >>> source code and follow the instructions that you will find in the directory >>> (folder in Mac terms, don't know which language Windows uses). >>> >>> If you just want to install a working application, then download and >>> install the appropriate one of the precompiled ones from that list. This >>> is what I do because it is just a lot simpler.I haven't compiled from >>> source in years since somebody else volunteers to do that for use with my >>> system. >>> >>> Linguistically the colon looks fine to me, since it indicates "use one >>> of the following:" >>> >> One of the following binaries. Sorry, that is the way I read it. >> I understand what is meant now. But if you do not have a clue what a >> binary is then My understanding of english is the header indicates that >> there are 5 binaries.It is not my website so leave it as it is. >> It has what I am looking for now that I am clear that Lilyond one Windows >> x86_64. for all. Like you, i am not interested i the binaries. >> > > LilyPond does *not* have one binary for all. It has one source code for > all. > That helps > > I think that there can be a bit of confusion here due to the fact that two > elements in the list aren't binaries. There are three binaries: GNU/Linux > x86_64, macOS x86_64, and Windows x86_64. Then there are two other > links: Source code and instructions for building with MacPorts. Perhaps we > could separate the binaries from the other links. That's what we do on the > stable download page. > So I was wrong from the start. I was looking for the program for windows, Windows x86_64,. not realising that the program I was looking for was a binary which is compiled from the source code. Sorry this is all stuff from the past at one time i understood, just confused. Thank you all for help with this, i have what i need, ƒg > > > HTH, > > Carl > > > >
Re: LilyPond 2.23.8 released
On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 9:04 AM Tim's Bitstream wrote: > > > On Apr 26, 2022, at 9:32 PM, Freeman Gilmore > wrote: > > > > > On Tue, Apr 26, 2022 at 7:58 PM David Kastrup wrote: > >> Freeman Gilmore writes: >> >> > On Mon, Apr 25, 2022 at 3:50 PM David Kastrup wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> We are happy to announce the release of LilyPond 2.23.8. This is termed >> >> a development release, but these are usually reliable. If you want to >> >> use the current stable version of LilyPond, we recommend using the >> >> 2.22.2 version. >> >> >> >> In this release, dropping Guile 1.8 support has finally become possible >> >> also for our sources. We'd like to dedicate this release to Ian Hulin >> >> who was one of the first systematically working on our numerous >> >> roadblocks for Guile 2 migration after tackling a few other high-level >> >> problems. In the time spans where his health permitted it, he was able >> >> to significantly reduce the amount of remaining problems for the Guile >> 2 >> >> migration after having started working on them in 2010, making the goal >> >> that we finally reached now more tangible for others to work on after >> he >> >> left us in 2015. >> >> >> >> -- >> >> David Kastrup >> >> >> > >> > Is there going to be a non binary version for windows coming soon? >> >> The source code is the same independent of operating system, so you >> apparently don't mean "source code" when you say "non binary". What >> would your expectations of a "non binary version for windows" be? >> >> -- >> David Kastrup >> > Ok i see it now, but this was my problem. I know that the source code > (binary) > is usually the same for all but I have never worked with source code for > LilyPond so when I read this, "Documentation writers and testers will > generally want to download the latest binary:" with 5 binaries listed > below, *Note, the colon should be a period;* and make it look like it > is not the header for a listing. I may not b the only dummy out there!. > Thank you, ƒg > > > This sounds like a conversation at cross purposes. > > If you want to compile your own binary from source code, download the > source code and follow the instructions that you will find in the directory > (folder in Mac terms, don't know which language Windows uses). > > If you just want to install a working application, then download and > install the appropriate one of the precompiled ones from that list. This > is what I do because it is just a lot simpler.I haven't compiled from > source in years since somebody else volunteers to do that for use with my > system. > > Linguistically the colon looks fine to me, since it indicates "use one of > the following:" > One of the following binaries. Sorry, that is the way I read it. I understand what is meant now. But if you do not have a clue what a binary is then My understanding of english is the header indicates that there are 5 binaries.It is not my website so leave it as it is.It has what I am looking for now that I am clear that Lilyond one binaries for all. Like you, i am not interested i the binaries. > > Hope this helps! >
Re: LilyPond 2.23.8 released
One of the following binaries. Sorry, that is the way I read it. I understand what is meant now. But if you do not have a clue what a binary is then My understanding of english is the header indicates that there are 5 binaries. It is not my website so leave it as it is. It has what I am looking for now that I am clear that Lilyond one binariesfor all. Like you, i am not interested i the binaries. Not meaning to be patronizing: When I encounter a word I do not understand I'll try to look it up. Searching wikipedia for binary I found: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary There under "Computing" you find - Binary code: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_code - Binary file: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_file and as a subsection of Binary file - Executable: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executable Reading these should greatly help you understand things. HTH, Michael -- Michael Gerdau email: m...@qata.de GPG-keys available on request or at public keyserver
Re: LilyPond 2.23.8 released
On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 7:31 AM Freeman Gilmore wrote: > > > On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 9:04 AM Tim's Bitstream > wrote: > >> >> >> On Apr 26, 2022, at 9:32 PM, Freeman Gilmore >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Apr 26, 2022 at 7:58 PM David Kastrup wrote: >> >>> Freeman Gilmore writes: >>> >>> > On Mon, Apr 25, 2022 at 3:50 PM David Kastrup wrote: >>> > >>> >> >>> >> We are happy to announce the release of LilyPond 2.23.8. This is >>> termed >>> >> a development release, but these are usually reliable. If you want to >>> >> use the current stable version of LilyPond, we recommend using the >>> >> 2.22.2 version. >>> >> >>> >> In this release, dropping Guile 1.8 support has finally become >>> possible >>> >> also for our sources. We'd like to dedicate this release to Ian Hulin >>> >> who was one of the first systematically working on our numerous >>> >> roadblocks for Guile 2 migration after tackling a few other high-level >>> >> problems. In the time spans where his health permitted it, he was able >>> >> to significantly reduce the amount of remaining problems for the >>> Guile 2 >>> >> migration after having started working on them in 2010, making the >>> goal >>> >> that we finally reached now more tangible for others to work on after >>> he >>> >> left us in 2015. >>> >> >>> >> -- >>> >> David Kastrup >>> >> >>> > >>> > Is there going to be a non binary version for windows coming soon? >>> >>> The source code is the same independent of operating system, so you >>> apparently don't mean "source code" when you say "non binary". What >>> would your expectations of a "non binary version for windows" be? >>> >>> -- >>> David Kastrup >>> >> Ok i see it now, but this was my problem. I know that the source code >> (binary) >> is usually the same for all but I have never worked with source code >> for LilyPond so when I read this, "Documentation writers and testers >> will generally want to download the latest binary:" with 5 binaries >> listed below, *Note, the colon should be a period;* and make it look >> like it is not the header for a listing. I may not b the only dummy out >> there!. >> Thank you, ƒg >> >> >> This sounds like a conversation at cross purposes. >> >> If you want to compile your own binary from source code, download the >> source code and follow the instructions that you will find in the directory >> (folder in Mac terms, don't know which language Windows uses). >> >> If you just want to install a working application, then download and >> install the appropriate one of the precompiled ones from that list. This >> is what I do because it is just a lot simpler.I haven't compiled from >> source in years since somebody else volunteers to do that for use with my >> system. >> >> Linguistically the colon looks fine to me, since it indicates "use one of >> the following:" >> > One of the following binaries. Sorry, that is the way I read it. > I understand what is meant now. But if you do not have a clue what a > binary is then My understanding of english is the header indicates that > there are 5 binaries.It is not my website so leave it as it is.It > has what I am looking for now that I am clear that Lilyond one binaries > for all. Like you, i am not interested i the binaries. > LilyPond does *not* have one binary for all. It has one source code for all. I think that there can be a bit of confusion here due to the fact that two elements in the list aren't binaries. There are three binaries: GNU/Linux x86_64, macOS x86_64, and Windows x86_64. Then there are two other links: Source code and instructions for building with MacPorts. Perhaps we could separate the binaries from the other links. That's what we do on the stable download page. HTH, Carl
Re: LilyPond 2.23.8 released
On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 9:40 AM Michael Gerdau wrote: > >> One of the following binaries. Sorry, that is the way I read it. > > I understand what is meant now. But if you do not have a clue what a > > binary is then My understanding of english is the header indicates that > > there are 5 binaries.It is not my website so leave it as it is. > > It has what I am looking for now that I am clear that Lilyond one > > binariesfor all. Like you, i am not interested i the binaries. > > Not meaning to be patronizing: > When I encounter a word I do not understand I'll try to look it up. > Searching wikipedia for binary I found: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary > > There under "Computing" you find > - Binary code: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_code > - Binary file: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_file > and as a subsection of Binary file > - Executable: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executable > > Reading these should greatly help you understand things. > Thanks for sending this information. My problem is more confusing the terms, age I guess. I have what I need. Thank you, ƒg > > HTH, > Michael > -- > Michael Gerdau email: m...@qata.de > GPG-keys available on request or at public keyserver >
Re: LilyPond 2.23.8 released
Freeman Gilmore writes: > On Tue, Apr 26, 2022 at 7:58 PM David Kastrup wrote: > >> Freeman Gilmore writes: >> >> > Is there going to be a non binary version for windows coming soon? >> >> The source code is the same independent of operating system, so you >> apparently don't mean "source code" when you say "non binary". What >> would your expectations of a "non binary version for windows" be? >> > Ok i see it now, but this was my problem. I know that the source code > (binary) is usually the same for all but I have never worked with > source code for LilyPond so when I read this, "Documentation writers > and testers will generally want to download the latest binary:" with 5 > binaries listed below, *Note, the colon should be a period;* and make > it look like it is not the header for a listing. I may not b the only > dummy out there!. I don't understand what you are saying here and you write things like "source code (binary)" that make pretty clear that we are still talking about entirely different things. So I repeat my question: what would your expectations of a "non binary version for windows" be? -- David Kastrup
Re: LilyPond 2.23.8 released
> On Apr 26, 2022, at 9:32 PM, Freeman Gilmore > wrote: > > > > On Tue, Apr 26, 2022 at 7:58 PM David Kastrup wrote: >> Freeman Gilmore writes: >> >> > On Mon, Apr 25, 2022 at 3:50 PM David Kastrup wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> We are happy to announce the release of LilyPond 2.23.8. This is termed >> >> a development release, but these are usually reliable. If you want to >> >> use the current stable version of LilyPond, we recommend using the >> >> 2.22.2 version. >> >> >> >> In this release, dropping Guile 1.8 support has finally become possible >> >> also for our sources. We'd like to dedicate this release to Ian Hulin >> >> who was one of the first systematically working on our numerous >> >> roadblocks for Guile 2 migration after tackling a few other high-level >> >> problems. In the time spans where his health permitted it, he was able >> >> to significantly reduce the amount of remaining problems for the Guile 2 >> >> migration after having started working on them in 2010, making the goal >> >> that we finally reached now more tangible for others to work on after he >> >> left us in 2015. >> >> >> >> -- >> >> David Kastrup >> >> >> > >> > Is there going to be a non binary version for windows coming soon? >> >> The source code is the same independent of operating system, so you >> apparently don't mean "source code" when you say "non binary". What >> would your expectations of a "non binary version for windows" be? >> >> -- >> David Kastrup > Ok i see it now, but this was my problem. I know that the source code > (binary) is usually the same for all but I have never worked with source code > for LilyPond so when I read this, "Documentation writers and testers will > generally want to download the latest binary:" with 5 binaries listed below, > Note, the colon should be a period; and make it look like it is not the > header for a listing. I may not b the only dummy out there!. > Thank you, ƒg This sounds like a conversation at cross purposes. If you want to compile your own binary from source code, download the source code and follow the instructions that you will find in the directory (folder in Mac terms, don't know which language Windows uses). If you just want to install a working application, then download and install the appropriate one of the precompiled ones from that list. This is what I do because it is just a lot simpler.I haven't compiled from source in years since somebody else volunteers to do that for use with my system. Linguistically the colon looks fine to me, since it indicates "use one of the following:" Hope this helps!
