Re: convert: properly escape some single-backslashes. (issue2401042)

2010-10-12 Thread David Kastrup
percival.music...@gmail.com writes: On 2010/10/11 18:18:37, dak wrote: python/convertrules.py:2992: _ (\\RemoveEmpty*StaffContext - \*Staff \\RemoveEmptyStaves)) Any particular reason that \*Staff does not get the backslash doubled as well? The reason was that I didn't know what \* did --

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-12 Thread Alexander Kobel
On 2010-10-09 17:46, Mark Polesky wrote: CURRENT NAME PROPOSED NAME - top-system top-system top-title top-markup between-title markup-markup after-titlemarkup-system between-system system-system

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-12 Thread James
Hello, On 12/10/2010 10:13, Alexander Kobel wrote: On 2010-10-09 17:46, Mark Polesky wrote: CURRENT NAME PROPOSED NAME - top-system top-system top-title top-markup between-title markup-markup after-title markup-system between-system system-system before-title

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-12 Thread David Kastrup
James james.l...@datacore.com writes: Hello, On 12/10/2010 10:13, Alexander Kobel wrote: On 2010-10-09 17:46, Mark Polesky wrote: CURRENT NAME PROPOSED NAME - top-system top-system top-title top-markup between-title markup-markup after-title markup-system

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-12 Thread Dmytro O. Redchuk
On Tue 12 Oct 2010, 13:54 David Kastrup wrote: James james.l...@datacore.com writes: top-system top-system top-title top-markup between-title markup-markup after-title markup-system between-system system-system before-title system-markup bottom-system system-bottom

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-12 Thread James
Hello, On 12/10/2010 12:54, David Kastrup wrote: Jamesjames.l...@datacore.com writes: Hello, On 12/10/2010 10:13, Alexander Kobel wrote: On 2010-10-09 17:46, Mark Polesky wrote: CURRENT NAME PROPOSED NAME - top-system top-system top-title top-markup between-title

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-12 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi James, I still think a *user* (not programmer or code developer) is going to really get frustrated when they don't know what a system is i.e... 'oh you mean the stuff with the notes in...we call that a 'score' where I come from. The entire music engraving world -- not just Lilypond, but

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-12 Thread Alexander Kobel
On 2010-10-12 14:27, James wrote: On 12/10/2010 12:54, David Kastrup wrote: Jamesjames.l...@datacore.com writes: Why do we have 'top-system' but 'system-bottom' and not instead, 'bottom-system'? Because there is no system after the bottom? ? I'll stop if I am really showing my ignorance

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-12 Thread Trevor Daniels
James wrote Tuesday, October 12, 2010 1:27 PM On 12/10/2010 12:54, David Kastrup wrote: Jamesjames.l...@datacore.com writes: Hello, On 12/10/2010 10:13, Alexander Kobel wrote: On 2010-10-09 17:46, Mark Polesky wrote: CURRENT NAME PROPOSED NAME - top-system

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-12 Thread David Kastrup
Alexander Kobel n...@a-kobel.de writes: On 2010-10-09 17:46, Mark Polesky wrote: CURRENT NAME PROPOSED NAME - top-system top-system top-title top-markup between-title markup-markup after-title

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-12 Thread Mark Polesky
David Kastrup wrote: The main problem I see with that naming scheme is that it does not reflect score sheet design, but the current implementation. [...] So the proposed scheme ties something presented as document spacing parameters into internal details of their implementation. What

Re: convert: properly escape some single-backslashes. (issue2401042)

2010-10-12 Thread Phil Holmes
percival.music...@gmail.com wrote in message news:0016e6435382308cfc04925d9...@google.com... On 2010/10/11 18:18:37, dak wrote: python/convertrules.py:2992: _ (\\RemoveEmpty*StaffContext - \*Staff \\RemoveEmptyStaves)) Any particular reason that \*Staff does not get the backslash doubled as

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-12 Thread David Kastrup
Mark Polesky markpole...@yahoo.com writes: David Kastrup wrote: The main problem I see with that naming scheme is that it does not reflect score sheet design, but the current implementation. [...] So the proposed scheme ties something presented as document spacing parameters into

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-12 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 02:24:37PM +0100, Trevor Daniels wrote: I'll stop if I am really showing my ignorance (I am not a code developer), I'm afraid you're showing your ignorance as a musician. System and score are not synonomous. A system is a line of music which includes the all the

Re: What is the beef with \longa stems?

2010-10-12 Thread Valentin Villenave
On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 7:01 PM, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: why are longas treated specially? Though I don't know how to answer that question, I suspect the answer might help solve http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=826 Yours Pondly, Valentin

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-12 Thread Wols Lists
On 12/10/10 00:55, Graham Percival wrote: Why not push it as one patch? It seems like all of those pieces need to be accomplished in order to have a fully-buildable release (i.e. if the variable names in lilypond don't match the variable names in the docs, make doc will fail. If he has

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-12 Thread Wols Lists
On 12/10/10 14:02, Kieren MacMillan wrote: Hi James, I still think a *user* (not programmer or code developer) is going to really get frustrated when they don't know what a system is i.e... 'oh you mean the stuff with the notes in...we call that a 'score' where I come from. The entire

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-12 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 10/12/10 4:20 PM, Wols Lists antli...@youngman.org.uk wrote: On 12/10/10 14:02, Kieren MacMillan wrote: Hi James, I still think a *user* (not programmer or code developer) is going to really get frustrated when they don't know what a system is i.e... 'oh you mean the stuff with the

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-12 Thread Wols Lists
On 12/10/10 22:05, Graham Percival wrote: On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 02:24:37PM +0100, Trevor Daniels wrote: I'll stop if I am really showing my ignorance (I am not a code developer), I'm afraid you're showing your ignorance as a musician. System and score are not synonomous. A system is a

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-12 Thread Alexander Kobel
On 2010-10-13 00:20, Wols Lists wrote: On 12/10/10 14:02, Kieren MacMillan wrote: Hi James, [...] If Lilypond users are confused because they don't have an understanding of that basic and universal terminology, they should read (1) some engraving books, and (2) the Lilypond introductory

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-12 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 04:23:49PM -0600, Carl Sorensen wrote: On 10/12/10 4:20 PM, Wols Lists antli...@youngman.org.uk wrote: For a musician to get that wrong is as seriously incompetent as for a computer guy to refer to a hard disk as ram (I know the man-in-the-street tends to call

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-12 Thread Alexander Kobel
On 2010-10-13 00:27, Wols Lists wrote: Add stave to this. Actually, I would have defined a stave as a line of music, and a system as a group of linked staves played simultaneously. But that all depends on how you understand the word line :-) Stave or staff?! Are these identical? I thought

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-12 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 10/12/10 4:27 PM, Wols Lists antli...@youngman.org.uk wrote: On 12/10/10 22:05, Graham Percival wrote: On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 02:24:37PM +0100, Trevor Daniels wrote: I'll stop if I am really showing my ignorance (I am not a code developer), I'm afraid you're showing your ignorance as

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-12 Thread Graham Percival
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 12:45:33AM +0200, Alexander Kobel wrote: On 2010-10-13 00:27, Wols Lists wrote: Add stave to this. Actually, I would have defined a stave as a line of music, and a system as a group of linked staves played simultaneously. But that all depends on how you understand the

RE: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-12 Thread James Lowe
Hello It's OK, I am not offended. I am sure that none of it was meant maliciously. So don't fret, I am sure I'll be showing my ignorance again in the future on these lists. =8 ) As I said to Trevor earlier, the conductor of my orchestra (and wind band) gives me a score to play not a system,

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-12 Thread Trevor Daniels
Graham Percival Yes, but I see some weaknesses in our docs. - Glossary: staff should link to system - Glossary: both staff and system could benefit from images - Learning: add some link(s) to Glossary: system. Currently we have none! gperc...@futoi:~/src/lilypond/Documentation/learning$

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-12 Thread Wols Lists
On 12/10/10 23:44, Graham Percival wrote: On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 04:23:49PM -0600, Carl Sorensen wrote: On 10/12/10 4:20 PM, Wols Lists antli...@youngman.org.uk wrote: For a musician to get that wrong is as seriously incompetent as for a computer guy to refer to a hard disk as ram (I know

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-12 Thread Wols Lists
On 12/10/10 23:45, Alexander Kobel wrote: On 2010-10-13 00:27, Wols Lists wrote: Add stave to this. Actually, I would have defined a stave as a line of music, and a system as a group of linked staves played simultaneously. But that all depends on how you understand the word line :-) Stave

lilypond-book safe mode

2010-10-12 Thread Pavel Sanda
Hello lilypond developers, please would you consider to accept the patch attached in http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=1281 for the next release? We would like to add direct support for lilypond inside LyX but for security reasons we need that people can't use lilypond code in

Re: convert: properly escape some single-backslashes. (issue2401042)

2010-10-12 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 05:17:44PM +0100, Phil Holmes wrote: percival.music...@gmail.com wrote in message news:0016e6435382308cfc04925d9...@google.com... On 2010/10/11 18:18:37, dak wrote: python/convertrules.py:2992: _ (\\RemoveEmpty*StaffContext - \*Staff \\RemoveEmptyStaves)) Any

Re: lilypond-book safe mode

2010-10-12 Thread Graham Percival
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 12:30:32AM +, Pavel Sanda wrote: please would you consider to accept the patch attached in http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=1281 for the next release? Unfortunately our development resources are so stretched that I cannot make any guarantees.

Re: lilypond-book safe mode

2010-10-12 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 10/12/10 9:30 PM, Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca wrote: On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 12:30:32AM +, Pavel Sanda wrote: please would you consider to accept the patch attached in http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=1281 for the next release? Unfortunately our

Re: convert: properly escape some single-backslashes. (issue2401042)

2010-10-12 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 10/12/10 9:28 PM, Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca wrote: On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 05:17:44PM +0100, Phil Holmes wrote: percival.music...@gmail.com wrote in message news:0016e6435382308cfc04925d9...@google.com... On 2010/10/11 18:18:37, dak wrote: python/convertrules.py:2992: _

Re: names of vertical spacing dimensions

2010-10-12 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 04:58:42PM -0600, Carl Sorensen wrote: it is staff and staves, according to the GDP rules: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-devel/2007-09/msg00240.html Thanks! James, could you send me a patch for the CG? Of course, Neil considered that a US bias (with a

systems (was: names of vertical spacing dimensions)

2010-10-12 Thread Graham Percival
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 12:20:04AM +0100, Trevor Daniels wrote: Graham Percival I would recommend adding this to Learning 2 Tutorial. Maybe somewhere in 2.3 Multiple notes at once; maybe somewhere in 2.5 Final touches. I'll let somebody else think about it in more detail and produce a

system (was: names of vertical spacing dimensions)

2010-10-12 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 07:18:37PM -0400, James Lowe wrote: As an instrument player (as opposed to a singer or 'vocalist') who has neither conducted or composed anything more than a few 'dittys' I can see how this would be the case where I have never come across the term system. For the