Re: Plan for discussions

2012-05-15 Thread Janek Warchoł
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 6:23 PM, Graham Percival wrote: > On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 07:18:58PM +0200, Janek Warchoł wrote: >> It's nice, but i'd go farther: what about adding an >> "editorial" property to objects? > > Isn't that doable with a custom editorials.ly file, which would > contain a bunch

Re: Plan for discussions

2012-05-15 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 07:18:58PM +0200, Janek Warchoł wrote: > It's nice, but i'd go farther: what about adding an > "editorial" property to objects? User could mark some items as > editorial and LilyPond would take care of the rest: she would put the > editorial dynamics in brackets, make edito

Re: Plan for discussions

2012-05-14 Thread Janek Warchoł
On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 11:34 PM, Graham Percival wrote: > On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 02:14:27PM +0200, Janek Warchoł wrote: >> what changes in the LilyPond design should we make to make >> LilyPond a more efficient and easy to use tool. > > LilyPond itself will remain as a command-line "compiler".

Re: Plan for discussions

2012-05-14 Thread David Kastrup
Han-Wen Nienhuys writes: > On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 3:04 AM, David Kastrup wrote: >> >> "m...@apollinemike.com" writes: >> >> > One idea I've been a fan of for a long time is some type of aux file >> > system in LilyPond.  That is, if we can come up with a file format >> > that stores loads of d

Re: Plan for discussions

2012-05-14 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 3:04 AM, David Kastrup wrote: > > "m...@apollinemike.com" writes: > > > One idea I've been a fan of for a long time is some type of aux file > > system in LilyPond.  That is, if we can come up with a file format > > that stores loads of data from previous runs of a score a

Re: Plan for discussions

2012-05-14 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 09:52:32AM +0200, Joseph Rushton Wakeling wrote: > On 14/05/12 07:37, Graham Percival wrote: > >No. LilyPond is a command-line "compiler". That's something that > >would happen in an alternate program. > > I'm not disputing that, or suggesting that you go into GUI/IDE > t

Re: Plan for discussions

2012-05-14 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 01:51:42PM +0200, Joseph Rushton Wakeling wrote: > On 14/05/12 11:47, m...@apollinemike.com wrote: > >This is very hard because of the butterfly effect - an A-flat in an > >already-crammed line could lead to new line breaking, which means new > >vertical spacing etc.. > >

Re: Plan for discussions

2012-05-14 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 14/05/12 14:36, David Kastrup wrote: It is not like the graphical frontends are not mentioned in LilyPond's documentation. Have you checked http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.15/Documentation/web/easier-editing#Score_002c-tab-and-MIDI-editors_003a>? Personally I'm a Frescobaldi fan. MuseScore is a

Re: Plan for discussions

2012-05-14 Thread David Kastrup
Joseph Rushton Wakeling writes: > On 14/05/12 11:47, m...@apollinemike.com wrote: >> This is very hard because of the butterfly effect - an A-flat in an >> already-crammed line could lead to new line breaking, which means >> new vertical spacing etc.. > > I don't assume it would be easy! But ena

Re: Plan for discussions

2012-05-14 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 14/05/12 11:47, m...@apollinemike.com wrote: This is very hard because of the butterfly effect - an A-flat in an already-crammed line could lead to new line breaking, which means new vertical spacing etc.. I don't assume it would be easy! But enabling GUI/IDE developers to build function

Re: Plan for discussions

2012-05-14 Thread David Kastrup
Joseph Rushton Wakeling writes: > On 14/05/12 09:56, David Kastrup wrote: >> http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.15/Documentation/source/Documentation/notation/skipping-corrected-music> > > Yes, but that wasn't the use-case I had in mind. The sort of thing I > was thinking of was: > > (i) I have a fu

Re: Plan for discussions

2012-05-14 Thread m...@apollinemike.com
On 14 mai 2012, at 11:22, Joseph Rushton Wakeling wrote: > On 14/05/12 09:56, David Kastrup wrote: >> http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.15/Documentation/source/Documentation/notation/skipping-corrected-music> > > Yes, but that wasn't the use-case I had in mind. The sort of thing I was > thinking of wa

Re: Plan for discussions

2012-05-14 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 14/05/12 09:56, David Kastrup wrote: http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.15/Documentation/source/Documentation/notation/skipping-corrected-music> Yes, but that wasn't the use-case I had in mind. The sort of thing I was thinking of was: (i) I have a full, complete score, which I have compiled.

Re: Plan for discussions

2012-05-14 Thread David Kastrup
Joseph Rushton Wakeling writes: > On 14/05/12 07:37, Graham Percival wrote: >> No. LilyPond is a command-line "compiler". That's something that >> would happen in an alternate program. > > I'm not disputing that, or suggesting that you go into GUI/IDE > territory directly -- what I'm suggesting

Re: Plan for discussions

2012-05-14 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 14/05/12 07:37, Graham Percival wrote: No. LilyPond is a command-line "compiler". That's something that would happen in an alternate program. I'm not disputing that, or suggesting that you go into GUI/IDE territory directly -- what I'm suggesting is that consideration be given to what mig

Re: Plan for discussions

2012-05-14 Thread Jan Nieuwenhuizen
David Kastrup writes: >> No. LilyPond is a command-line "compiler". That's something that >> would happen in an alternate program. Possibly Something like Ikebana or Schikkers List > LilyPond, as opposed to TeX, is a living project and one does not need > to think of everything in advance. Ri

Re: Plan for discussions

2012-05-13 Thread m...@apollinemike.com
On 14 mai 2012, at 08:04, David Kastrup wrote: > "m...@apollinemike.com" writes: > >> One idea I've been a fan of for a long time is some type of aux file >> system in LilyPond. That is, if we can come up with a file format >> that stores loads of data from previous runs of a score and then can

Re: Plan for discussions

2012-05-13 Thread David Kastrup
"m...@apollinemike.com" writes: > One idea I've been a fan of for a long time is some type of aux file > system in LilyPond. That is, if we can come up with a file format > that stores loads of data from previous runs of a score and then can > somehow compare it to a parsed file, it could cut co

Re: Plan for discussions

2012-05-13 Thread David Kastrup
Graham Percival writes: > On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 03:51:45AM +0200, Joseph Rushton Wakeling wrote: >> On 13/05/12 23:34, Graham Percival wrote: >> >LilyPond itself will remain as a command-line "compiler". So this >> >question can be split into two separate ones: >> >- what capabilities should a

Re: Plan for discussions

2012-05-13 Thread m...@apollinemike.com
On 14 mai 2012, at 07:37, Graham Percival wrote: > On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 03:51:45AM +0200, Joseph Rushton Wakeling wrote: >> On 13/05/12 23:34, Graham Percival wrote: >>> LilyPond itself will remain as a command-line "compiler". So this >>> question can be split into two separate ones: >>> - wh

Re: Plan for discussions

2012-05-13 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 03:51:45AM +0200, Joseph Rushton Wakeling wrote: > On 13/05/12 23:34, Graham Percival wrote: > >LilyPond itself will remain as a command-line "compiler". So this > >question can be split into two separate ones: > >- what capabilities should alternate programs (i.e. frescoba

Re: Plan for discussions

2012-05-13 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 13/05/12 23:34, Graham Percival wrote: LilyPond itself will remain as a command-line "compiler". So this question can be split into two separate ones: - what capabilities should alternate programs (i.e. frescobaldi) have? - what should the input syntax be? When considering these question

Re: Plan for discussions

2012-05-13 Thread Graham Percival
On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 02:14:27PM +0200, Janek Warchoł wrote: > I think it's about the big picture stuff and general design. At the > moment, i don't see any vision that we - The LilyPond Development Team > - have about how the future of the project should look like, oh, I definitely have a visi

Re: Plan for discussions

2012-05-12 Thread Janek Warchoł
On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 7:44 PM, Graham Percival wrote: > However, I am opposed to any "official" (GOP or GLISS) proposals > being decided at such a venue. Decided, absolutely not. Discussed, definitely. > Similarly, we could have informal discussions about GOP or GLISS > issues, to find out wha

Re: Plan for discussions

2012-05-11 Thread David Kastrup
Jean-Charles Malahieude writes: > May I propose a workaround, just in order to mix business with > pleasure: > > Why not trying to have one "meeting" per continent at the same time, > with a daily hour on IRC with everybody? Well, IRC is not the best medium for making a joint performance of "Non

Re: Plan for discussions

2012-05-11 Thread Graham Percival
On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 08:20:57PM +0200, Jean-Charles Malahieude wrote: > May I propose a workaround, just in order to mix business with pleasure: > > Why not trying to have one "meeting" per continent at the same time, > with a daily hour on IRC with everybody? We tried that almost a year ago:

Re: Plan for discussions

2012-05-11 Thread Jean-Charles Malahieude
Le 11/05/2012 19:44, Graham Percival disait : On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 09:59:49AM +0200, Janek Warchoł wrote: On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 9:19 AM, David Kastrup wrote: Janek Warchoł writes: What about a real-life meeting? There will be a GNU conference in Dusseldorf (west Germany) in second hal

Re: Plan for discussions

2012-05-11 Thread Graham Percival
On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 01:57:08AM +0200, Janek Warchoł wrote: > i suggest to discuss some communication guidelines, for example "don't > say until there's more than 1 day of discussion > and not all concerns have been addressed, even if you think that the > decision is obvious". I think last yea

Re: Plan for discussions

2012-05-11 Thread m...@apollinemike.com
On 11 mai 2012, at 19:44, Graham Percival wrote: > On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 09:59:49AM +0200, Janek Warchoł wrote: >> On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 9:19 AM, David Kastrup wrote: >>> Janek Warchoł writes: >>> What about a real-life meeting? There will be a GNU conference in Dusseldorf (west

Re: Plan for discussions

2012-05-11 Thread Graham Percival
On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 09:59:49AM +0200, Janek Warchoł wrote: > On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 9:19 AM, David Kastrup wrote: > > Janek Warchoł writes: > > > >> What about a real-life meeting?  There will be a GNU conference in > >> Dusseldorf (west Germany) in second half of July, maybe we could meet >

Re: Plan for discussions

2012-05-11 Thread Janek Warchoł
On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 9:19 AM, David Kastrup wrote: > Janek Warchoł writes: > >> What about a real-life meeting?  There will be a GNU conference in >> Dusseldorf (west Germany) in second half of July, maybe we could meet >> there for a couple of days and sort out some big picture stuff?  I >> t

Re: Plan for discussions

2012-05-11 Thread Werner LEMBERG
>> What about a real-life meeting? There will be a GNU conference in >> Dusseldorf (west Germany) in second half of July, maybe we could >> meet there for a couple of days and sort out some big picture >> stuff? Sounds great! > There is a piano here as well, but its tuning is sort of rural, too

Re: Plan for discussions

2012-05-11 Thread David Kastrup
Janek Warchoł writes: > What about a real-life meeting? There will be a GNU conference in > Dusseldorf (west Germany) in second half of July, maybe we could meet > there for a couple of days and sort out some big picture stuff? I > think that discussing LilyPond live for one day will give us be

Re: Plan for discussions

2012-05-10 Thread Janek Warchoł
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 4:04 PM, Graham Percival wrote: > Spent yesterday wandering around Kloten, the "old town" part of > Zurich, and looking at stain-glass windows.  Spent this morning > walking along Uetliberg, a series of hills right next to the city. > Travel advice: skip the city and cultur

Plan for discussions

2012-05-10 Thread Graham Percival
Spent yesterday wandering around Kloten, the "old town" part of Zurich, and looking at stain-glass windows. Spent this morning walking along Uetliberg, a series of hills right next to the city. Travel advice: skip the city and culture, just go straight to the Alps. Ok, maybe Uetliberg isn't high