Re: Accidentals' font

2020-07-04 Thread Jan Nieuwenhuizen
Han-Wen Nienhuys writes: Hi! >> 7) Look at the trill glyph: it's simpler, cleaner and less "baroque", > > Maybe Jan can comment. The comment says it's based on a Saint Saens > Cello concerto, which I can't recall ever having seen. Yes, I have some recollection of that. You are probably aware

Re: Accidentals' font

2020-07-04 Thread Paolo Prete
> > > This addition does not involve any development. All the stuff is already > > developed. Just simply, AFAIK, add the fonts to their respective > > directories, as I have already done. > > Here are some things to consider: > > * You point to modern printers generating thinner lines. However,

Re: question about configure for reg tests

2020-07-04 Thread Dan Eble
On Jul 4, 2020, at 07:09, Jonas Hahnfeld wrote: > >> Should I be using the same options as the CI image is? (and if so, can >> you tell me what they are in case I have missed any)? > > As said above, I don't think it makes a difference. If you want to, Dan > recently added "autogen.sh --ci"

Re: Accidentals' font

2020-07-04 Thread Lukas-Fabian Moser
Hi Han-Wen, 6) Look at the glyph of forcing: it forms a single word, and not the union of three different characters (which is very distracting, in my opinion) what is 'forcing' ? I assumed it meant sfz, coming from an Italian native speaker - Paolo, please correct me if I'm wrong. 7) Look

outlet v. context

2020-07-04 Thread Dan Eble
virtual Context *get_outlet () const; virtual void set_context (Context *); . . . void init_context (Music *, Context *); . . . void substitute_outlet (Context *from, Context *to); This is driving me nuts. Is anyone attached to the term "outlet"? If so, please suggest

Re: Accidentals' font

2020-07-04 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 11:42 PM Paolo Prete wrote: > *All* my opinions are personal opinions. And I don't expect they will be > followed or implemented. If you really expect that, why bother sending this email? Let's all just assume that they're not just your personal opinions, but that you

Re: Accidentals' font

2020-07-04 Thread Kevin Barry
> Again, I hope I am not unpleasant and polemic In my opinion, you are being both. If your goal was genuinely to encourage improvements in LilyPond, then I hope it's clear from the response that you are going about it in a poor way. Acting like it's obvious that LilyPond's default font is badly

Re: Accidentals' font

2020-07-04 Thread Karlin High
On 7/4/2020 5:55 AM, Paolo Prete wrote: Just leave Feta as a native font and insert a dummy wrapper for Gonville in the ./configure. This does not require any development, nor uniformity in the coding standard and can be easily added to the source tree. This discussion is reminding me of the

question about configure for reg tests

2020-07-04 Thread James Lowe
Hello, I noticed that the Docker image is using a few configure options that I do not use when I make/make check. Likewise I notice that while I use configure --disable-optimising, the image does not (as far as I can tell the disable-optimising option is specifically for reg test processing).

Re: question about configure for reg tests

2020-07-04 Thread Jonas Hahnfeld
Hi James, Am Samstag, den 04.07.2020, 11:48 +0100 schrieb James Lowe: > Hello, > > I noticed that the Docker image is using a few configure options that I > do not use when I make/make check. most of the flags in CI are about speeding up the build and reducing size (in particular disabling

Re: Accidentals' font

2020-07-04 Thread Urs Liska
Am Samstag, den 04.07.2020, 10:06 -0500 schrieb Karlin High: > On 7/4/2020 5:55 AM, Paolo Prete wrote: > > Just leave Feta as a native font and insert a dummy > > wrapper for Gonville in the ./configure. This does not require any > > development, nor uniformity in the coding standard and can be >

Re: outlet v. context

2020-07-04 Thread David Kastrup
Dan Eble writes: > virtual Context *get_outlet () const; > virtual void set_context (Context *); > . . . > void init_context (Music *, Context *); > . . . > void substitute_outlet (Context *from, Context *to); > > This is driving me nuts. Is anyone attached to the term

Re: outlet v. context

2020-07-04 Thread Dan Eble
On Jul 4, 2020, at 11:15, David Kastrup wrote: > > While you are at it: I don't see that there is lots of sense in having > get_context () for some classes and context () for others. Or > get_parent_context () for some and get_daddy_context () for others. > Generally the get_ prefix seems a bit

Re: Accidentals' font

2020-07-04 Thread Paolo Prete
On Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 4:43 PM Kevin Barry wrote: > > Again, I hope I am not unpleasant and polemic > > In my opinion, you are being both. If your goal was genuinely to > encourage improvements in LilyPond, then I hope it's clear from the > response that you are going about it in a poor way.

Re: Accidentals' font

2020-07-04 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Carl (et al.), > I agree with Kevin. You do not speak (even in this email) as if it is your > opinion; you speak as if it is an undisputed fact. +1 > I am, however, getting somewhat weary of your posts that say, in essence, > "LilyPond does X incorrectly. And it is obvious to anybody that

Re: Accidentals' font

2020-07-04 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Carl (et al.), > Do you have any objective data that says Gonville > is more readable/playable than Feta? Or is this your opinion? Must be his opinion, because I’ve put scores using Gonville and Feta in front of the same players, and many of them have said that Feta is easier to read

Re: Accidentals' font

2020-07-04 Thread Carl Sorensen
On Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 9:25 AM Paolo Prete wrote: > On Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 4:43 PM Kevin Barry wrote: > > > > Again, I hope I am not unpleasant and polemic > > > > In my opinion, you are being both. If your goal was genuinely to > > encourage improvements in LilyPond, then I hope it's clear

Re: Accidentals' font

2020-07-04 Thread Carl Sorensen
On Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 2:31 PM Paolo Prete wrote: > > I think there is an incomprehension in the meaning of my words. > Unfortunately this does not depend on Lilypond but on commercial logic in > the production of musical fonts today. Today it seems to me that music > software producers are

Re: Accidentals' font

2020-07-04 Thread Paolo Prete
On Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 8:46 PM Carl Sorensen wrote: > > >> All the fonts on the earth have many issues. If you look at the score of >> Debussy, it has *many* and *many* issues, and it was one of the best >> engraving techniques at his time. >> > > Again, in your opinion it had *many* and *many*

Re: Accidentals' font

2020-07-04 Thread Paolo Prete
On Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 10:45 PM Carl Sorensen wrote: > > > On Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 2:31 PM Paolo Prete wrote: > >> >> I think there is an incomprehension in the meaning of my words. >> Unfortunately this does not depend on Lilypond but on commercial logic in >> the production of musical fonts

Re: Accidentals' font

2020-07-04 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 11:42 PM Paolo Prete wrote: > I could go on with many other details. > Which is of course my simple opinion; in any case I'm not asking to > implement anything. I'm just asking to add the excellent work done by the > author of the Font. A very meticulous work for which I

PATCHES - Countdown for July 4th

2020-07-04 Thread James Lowe
Hello, Here is the current patch countdown list. The next countdown will be on July 6th. A list of all merge requests can be found here: https://gitlab.com/lilypond/lilypond/-/merge_requests?sort=label_priority Push: !213 Fix spurious warning about an empty score - Dan Eble

Re: Accidentals' font

2020-07-04 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Paolo, > What would you consider more readable? The Feta version. The only objection I have is to the kerning in mf — otherwise, I think the Feta version is more readable. > I can provide other examples if you are interested. I’m not… but maybe others are. Cheers, Kieren.

Re: Accidentals' font

2020-07-04 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Paolo, > > I can provide other examples if you are interested. > Then it is pretty strange that you were interested in commenting on something > that is not of your interest ;-) I didn’t say the first example wasn’t of my interest. You seem to have difficulty reading. ;-) Cheers, Kieren.

Re: Accidentals' font

2020-07-04 Thread Paolo Prete
> > > About this question, I gave an answer to Han-Wen. For example, I consider > objective data that a fraction where the mumerator is not joined to the > denominator is more readable. > Also, look at the attached image in response to Kevin (clefs) with the red > lines. I consider it objective as

Re: Accidentals' font

2020-07-04 Thread Paolo Prete
On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 12:14 AM Kieren MacMillan < kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca> wrote: > Hi Paolo, > > > What would you consider more readable? > > The Feta version. > The only objection I have is to the kerning in mf — otherwise, I think the > Feta version is more readable. > > Not so trivial