Re: Accidentals' font

Am Freitag, den 10.07.2020, 10:34 +0200 schrieb Jean-Julien Fleck: > Hello Urs, > > Le ven. 10 juil. 2020 à 09:03, Urs Liska a > écrit : > > > > But I'd like to repeat that the fonts created by Abraham (including > > > > Gonville) are at least partially available as free fonts, and they > > >

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Hi Jean-Julien, Le 10/07/2020 à 10:34, Jean-Julien Fleck a écrit : Hello Urs, Le ven. 10 juil. 2020 à 09:03, Urs Liska > a écrit : But I'd like to repeat that the fonts created by Abraham (including Gonville) are at least partially available as free

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Hello Urs, Le ven. 10 juil. 2020 à 09:03, Urs Liska a écrit : > > But I'd like to repeat that the fonts created by Abraham (including > Gonville) are at least partially available as free fonts, and they > already *can* be used in a regular LilyPond installation without any > hassles. > > All

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Am Donnerstag, den 09.07.2020, 21:40 +0200 schrieb Paolo Prete: > On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 8:35 PM Jean Abou Samra > wrote: > > > Le 08/07/2020 à 15:31, Paolo Prete a écrit : > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 12:13 PM Jean Abou Samra > > > > wrote: > > > > > I would like to emphasize

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On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 8:35 PM Jean Abou Samra wrote: > Le 08/07/2020 à 15:31, Paolo Prete a écrit : > > > > On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 12:13 PM Jean Abou Samra > wrote: > >> I would like to emphasize that this is not at all simple. I agree that >> the technical part is reachable. Yet, this has

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Le 08/07/2020 à 15:31, Paolo Prete a écrit : On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 12:13 PM Jean Abou Samra > wrote: I would like to emphasize that this is not at all simple. I agree that the technical part is reachable. Yet, this has consequences on the organization

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On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 12:13 PM Jean Abou Samra wrote: > t to press developers/maintainers to develop anything. My idea was, > instead, to show how good it could be to use what I consider an > *impressive* work *already done* by someone else. Just link it, do not > develop anything. > > > I

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Hi Paolo, Le 08/07/2020 à 02:07, Paolo Prete a écrit : I have to apologize for the tone I used. Thank you. “Apologize” is definitely a magic word. What was wrong was the fact that my words sounded like absolute blaming to someone/something. But please, even if I was wrong with this tone

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On 2020-07-07 5:07 pm, Paolo Prete wrote: I have to apologize for the tone I used. What was wrong was the fact that my words sounded like absolute blaming to someone/something. At the end of the day, all of us can benefit from learning to be more aware of how our words may be perceived.

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I have to apologize for the tone I used. What was wrong was the fact that my words sounded like absolute blaming to someone/something. But please, even if I was wrong with this tone (and I can confirm this again and again): understand that 1) My intention was absolutely not to blame anything of

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Greetings everybody, I'm extremely upset to discover this thread. I was about to send a very, very long e-mail. Then I realized it was an excellent candidate for being perceived as lecturing all the participants. So instead, I encourage everyone to read

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Hi Paolo, > > I can provide other examples if you are interested. > Then it is pretty strange that you were interested in commenting on something > that is not of your interest ;-) I didn’t say the first example wasn’t of my interest. You seem to have difficulty reading. ;-) Cheers, Kieren.

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On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 12:14 AM Kieren MacMillan < kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca> wrote: > Hi Paolo, > > > What would you consider more readable? > > The Feta version. > The only objection I have is to the kerning in mf — otherwise, I think the > Feta version is more readable. > > Not so trivial

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Hi Paolo, > What would you consider more readable? The Feta version. The only objection I have is to the kerning in mf — otherwise, I think the Feta version is more readable. > I can provide other examples if you are interested. I’m not… but maybe others are. Cheers, Kieren.

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> > > About this question, I gave an answer to Han-Wen. For example, I consider > objective data that a fraction where the mumerator is not joined to the > denominator is more readable. > Also, look at the attached image in response to Kevin (clefs) with the red > lines. I consider it objective as

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On Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 10:45 PM Carl Sorensen wrote: > > > On Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 2:31 PM Paolo Prete wrote: > >> >> I think there is an incomprehension in the meaning of my words. >> Unfortunately this does not depend on Lilypond but on commercial logic in >> the production of musical fonts

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Am Samstag, den 04.07.2020, 10:06 -0500 schrieb Karlin High: > On 7/4/2020 5:55 AM, Paolo Prete wrote: > > Just leave Feta as a native font and insert a dummy > > wrapper for Gonville in the ./configure. This does not require any > > development, nor uniformity in the coding standard and can be >

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Hi Carl (et al.), > Do you have any objective data that says Gonville > is more readable/playable than Feta? Or is this your opinion? Must be his opinion, because I’ve put scores using Gonville and Feta in front of the same players, and many of them have said that Feta is easier to read

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On Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 2:31 PM Paolo Prete wrote: > > I think there is an incomprehension in the meaning of my words. > Unfortunately this does not depend on Lilypond but on commercial logic in > the production of musical fonts today. Today it seems to me that music > software producers are

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Hi Carl (et al.), > I agree with Kevin. You do not speak (even in this email) as if it is your > opinion; you speak as if it is an undisputed fact. +1 > I am, however, getting somewhat weary of your posts that say, in essence, > "LilyPond does X incorrectly. And it is obvious to anybody that

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On Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 8:46 PM Carl Sorensen wrote: > > >> All the fonts on the earth have many issues. If you look at the score of >> Debussy, it has *many* and *many* issues, and it was one of the best >> engraving techniques at his time. >> > > Again, in your opinion it had *many* and *many*

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On Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 9:25 AM Paolo Prete wrote: > On Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 4:43 PM Kevin Barry wrote: > > > > Again, I hope I am not unpleasant and polemic > > > > In my opinion, you are being both. If your goal was genuinely to > > encourage improvements in LilyPond, then I hope it's clear

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On Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 4:43 PM Kevin Barry wrote: > > Again, I hope I am not unpleasant and polemic > > In my opinion, you are being both. If your goal was genuinely to > encourage improvements in LilyPond, then I hope it's clear from the > response that you are going about it in a poor way.

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On 7/4/2020 5:55 AM, Paolo Prete wrote: Just leave Feta as a native font and insert a dummy wrapper for Gonville in the ./configure. This does not require any development, nor uniformity in the coding standard and can be easily added to the source tree. This discussion is reminding me of the

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> Again, I hope I am not unpleasant and polemic In my opinion, you are being both. If your goal was genuinely to encourage improvements in LilyPond, then I hope it's clear from the response that you are going about it in a poor way. Acting like it's obvious that LilyPond's default font is badly

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Han-Wen Nienhuys writes: Hi! >> 7) Look at the trill glyph: it's simpler, cleaner and less "baroque", > > Maybe Jan can comment. The comment says it's based on a Saint Saens > Cello concerto, which I can't recall ever having seen. Yes, I have some recollection of that. You are probably aware

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Hi Han-Wen, 6) Look at the glyph of forcing: it forms a single word, and not the union of three different characters (which is very distracting, in my opinion) what is 'forcing' ? I assumed it meant sfz, coming from an Italian native speaker - Paolo, please correct me if I'm wrong. 7) Look

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On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 11:42 PM Paolo Prete wrote: > *All* my opinions are personal opinions. And I don't expect they will be > followed or implemented. If you really expect that, why bother sending this email? Let's all just assume that they're not just your personal opinions, but that you

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> > > This addition does not involve any development. All the stuff is already > > developed. Just simply, AFAIK, add the fonts to their respective > > directories, as I have already done. > > Here are some things to consider: > > * You point to modern printers generating thinner lines. However,

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On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 11:42 PM Paolo Prete wrote: > I could go on with many other details. > Which is of course my simple opinion; in any case I'm not asking to > implement anything. I'm just asking to add the excellent work done by the > author of the Font. A very meticulous work for which I

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On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 10:19 PM Werner LEMBERG wrote: > > > > I don't understand why this is not part of Lilypond's project. I > > would use it as default. But, at least, it should be added as a > > ready-to-use option. > > You might not be aware because English is not your mother tongue, but

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Paolo, I feel obliged to write this e-mail so that we have a healthy and friendly environment to discuss everything related to LilyPond, free of friction as much as possible. I remember previous e-mail exchanges with you and the list where similar issues surfaced. > I don't understand why

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On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 6:05 PM Xavier Scheuer wrote: > On Fri, 3 Jul 2020 at 16:54, Paolo Prete wrote: > > > > They are good, but not GPL/open source... > > Hello Paolo, > > Most of them were open source initially (Open Font License). > There are repositories with the OFL-licensed versions

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On Fri, 3 Jul 2020 at 16:54, Paolo Prete wrote: > > They are good, but not GPL/open source... Hello Paolo, Most of them were open source initially (Open Font License). There are repositories with the OFL-licensed versions here: https://github.com/OpenLilyPondFonts Recently Daniel Benjamin

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This is *MUCH* better for *MANY* and *MANY* reasons, thanks. The more I observe them, the more I find excellent adjustments. They also save useful space. The only glyph that I don't like is the fermata one. The dot is too small and, therefore: 1) it does not differ well from the staccato glyph.

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On 03/07/2020 13:48, Paolo Prete wrote: Hello, 1) Is there a GPL or open-source alternative for FETA fonts for accidentals that can be used with Lilypond? (If so, is there an example of how to use them)? https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/gonville/ ? James

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They are good, but not GPL/open source... On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 4:00 PM Andrew Bernard wrote: > Nothing at Abraham Lee's satisfies you? > > https://www.musictypefoundry.com > > Andrew > > > On 3/07/2020 10:48 pm, Paolo Prete wrote: > > Hello, > > > > 1) Is there a GPL or open-source

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Nothing at Abraham Lee's satisfies you? https://www.musictypefoundry.com Andrew On 3/07/2020 10:48 pm, Paolo Prete wrote: Hello, 1) Is there a GPL or open-source alternative for FETA fonts for accidentals that can be used with Lilypond? (If so, is there an example of how to use them)?