Re: ask

2015-04-22 Thread Marcos Press
Please, Always use the Replay to All I'm sorry but I'm not a midi user so then if there is anything strange with the midi file I will not know what to do. And It's much more convenient if you do it your self. On Windows to open a command prompt:

Re: Do we really offer the future?

2015-04-22 Thread Richard Shann
On Wed, 2015-04-22 at 08:31 -0400, Kieren MacMillan wrote: Hi Richard, Interesting, I didn't realize that this was a reason to use a front-end to generate the LilyPond. With the Denemo front end it is Del,M to delete a measure in all the staffs. Does that work even when the code is

Re: best practices for volta (was Re: Problem with repeat, alternative endings that contain lyrics andleading rests)

2015-04-22 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi, I hope there is no intention to drop the MIDI output. Oh, goodness, no! Even though I don’t yet use it myself, I *want* to (soon), and I know it’s very important to others. Killer MIDI output would be a significant selling point for potential new users — along with MusicXML, it should

Re: Do we really offer the future?

2015-04-22 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi James, I think there's one command in Finale that demonstrates a major obstacle to widespread adoption of LilyPond: Delete Measure Stack. This is an extremely common need when editing scores, and raw LilyPond code offers no clean, easy way to do it. + 1 x 10^googol This is such a good

Re: Do we really offer the future?

2015-04-22 Thread Urs Liska
Am 22.04.2015 um 14:30 schrieb Kieren MacMillan: We try to explain this away by saying that LP is an engraving tool, not a composition tool, but -- if we're really serious about making LP more attractive to the average user of notation software, this is too glib. Agreed. It will be

Re: best practices for volta (was Re: Problem with repeat alternative endings that contain lyrics andleading rests)

2015-04-22 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Trevor, You mean Lilypond can’t handle \global \lyrics , where \global contains the repeat structure? Depends. Thanks for the clarification, and the various links. Interesting, all. I hope there’s an opportunity to fix this soon, and completely. Much like the irritating grace-note

Re: Do we really offer the future?

2015-04-22 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Richard, Interesting, I didn't realize that this was a reason to use a front-end to generate the LilyPond. With the Denemo front end it is Del,M to delete a measure in all the staffs. Does that work even when the code is abstracted into one or more shared global variables, etc.? Or does

Introducing LV GoldenAge!

2015-04-22 Thread Abraham Lee
Greetings, All! I've uploaded a few maintenance updates to fonts.openlilylib.org http://fonts.openlilylib.org/#whats-new, including the addition of a new font family that I teased about before. Head on over and let me know if any links are broken. Your web browser may have the site's pages

How do new users feel about LilyPond's documentation?

2015-04-22 Thread Abraham Lee
All, I've been thinking about this a lot lately, even going so far as to create my own Quick Start tutorials for new users, but I can only go so far in my own head. I really have two questions that I keep wondering about: 1. What is the thing you (especially new users) like the least about

Re: [AFIM.INFO] TENOR 2015: First International Conference on New Technologies for Music Notation and Representation

2015-04-22 Thread Paul Morris
Anyone planning on attending this conference in Paris at the end of May? I see a couple of LilyPonders on the program, Trevor Bača and Mike Solomon, and Daniel Spreadbury will be presenting on the SMuFL font standard. -Paul anders.vinjar wrote Topics: Fwd: [AFIM.INFO] TENOR 2015: First

Re: Do we really offer the future?

2015-04-22 Thread PMA
Am 22.04.2015 um 14:30 schrieb Kieren MacMillan: We try to explain this away by saying that LP is an engraving tool, not a composition tool, but -- if we're really serious about making LP more attractive to the average user of notation software, this is too glib. In using LilyPond for all my

Re: Do we really offer the future?

2015-04-22 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Pete, So major compositional changes -- the ones we're calling structural here -- are implemented at that first (gen.purp.prog.lang) level, tossing LP not much to trip over then or fail to carry through. My point, then: Why stuff a complicated-enough engraving program with

Re: Do we really offer the future?

2015-04-22 Thread Simon Albrecht
Am 22.04.2015 um 17:48 schrieb Kieren MacMillan: Hi Pete, So major compositional changes -- the ones we're calling structural here -- are implemented at that first (gen.purp.prog.lang) level, tossing LP not much to trip over then or fail to carry through. My point, then: Why stuff a

Re: Do we really offer the future?

2015-04-22 Thread Urs Liska
Am 22. April 2015 19:20:38 MESZ, schrieb Kieren MacMillan kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca: Hi Simon, 1. In 2013, I composed and engraved a piece with nearly 12,000 frames (57 staves x 208 measures). It contains two sections (of ~32 and ~16 measures) which were specifically added for That

Re: Roman Numeral placement

2015-04-22 Thread David Nalesnik
Hi Stephen, On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 12:24 PM, Stephen MacNeil classicalja...@gmail.com wrote: Harm , Thomas Morley and others I like to follow the discussions even if I don't understand/need something because I usually learn a lot and sometimes even adapt some ideas or code into something I

Re: Do we really offer the future?

2015-04-22 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Simon, 1. In 2013, I composed and engraved a piece with nearly 12,000 frames (57 staves x 208 measures). It contains two sections (of ~32 and ~16 measures) which were specifically added for That Production” (and, as such, contain “external material”). Now I want to modify the piece —

Re: Jianpu Notation

2015-04-22 Thread MING TSANG
Paul, Thank you for your jianpu3.ly I try to use it in key D   the score display correctly, but the jianpu display differently.  I don't know scheme. I am hoping in your spare time you can update it.  Very much appreciated. Immanuel,Ming  On Tuesday, April 21, 2015 12:06 AM, Paul Morris

Re: Do we really offer the future?

2015-04-22 Thread PMA
Kieren MacMillan wrote: Hi Pete, So major compositional changes -- the ones we're calling structural here -- are implemented at that first (gen.purp.prog.lang) level, tossing LP not much to trip over then or fail to carry through. My point, then: Why stuff a complicated-enough engraving

Re: Roman Numeral placement

2015-04-22 Thread Stephen MacNeil
Harm , Thomas Morley and others I like to follow the discussions even if I don't understand/need something because I usually learn a lot and sometimes even adapt some ideas or code into something I can use later. In this thread I was amazed that the scheme created could interpret the chords!!! I

Re: Do we really offer the future?

2015-04-22 Thread Werner LEMBERG
The current workaround, of course, is to use \tag around the section(s) in question. In particular, that method [relatively] easily solves “hide these 16 measures” types of situations (like my Example #2) and “depending on the version/edition, use either THIS or THIS” (like my Example #1).

Re: How do new users feel about LilyPond's documentation?

2015-04-22 Thread Federico Bruni
Hi Abraham I've been using LilyPond since 6 years. I think that LilyPond documentation is great. Learning Manual is a gentle introduction (basically 3 chapters only) for new users and Notation Reference is a complete reference, well indexed and easy to search through. I never found anything

Re: How do new users feel about LilyPond's documentation?

2015-04-22 Thread tisimst
On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 12:48 PM, Federico Bruni [via Lilypond] ml-node+s1069038n175021...@n5.nabble.com wrote: What I would find useful is an interactive guide to lilypond syntax: https://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=4200 I totally agree! How about some collaboration with

Re: Do we really offer the future?

2015-04-22 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Urs, I think you could vastly benefit from using openLilyLib's GridLY library. No doubt true. (I look forward to examining GridLY, when I have a spare moment.) Of course thst's only viable for new projects. We should strive to create tools for which this isn’t [ever] true. =) Someone

Re: Roman Numeral placement

2015-04-22 Thread SonusProj .
Hi David. I am the OP. Looking at your example, you have a bit of code similar to another person who has assisted me. \markup \rN { I } I can't find documentation for the escape sequence and it throws and error when I try to compile. :14:11 0: error: unknown escaped string: `\rN' \markup

Re: Roman Numeral placement

2015-04-22 Thread Stephen MacNeil
Thanks David! That actual is very handy. to your point. If I'm understanding you correctly, you mean to be able to feed it, say, a Beethoven sonata and have it provide a Roman numeral analysis? Sorting out harmonic rhythm, embellishing tones, deciding on the current key, etc.?Now that would be a

Re: Do we really offer the future?

2015-04-22 Thread Urs Liska
Am 22.04.2015 um 20:33 schrieb Werner LEMBERG: The current workaround, of course, is to use \tag around the section(s) in question. In particular, that method [relatively] easily solves “hide these 16 measures” types of situations (like my Example #2) and “depending on the version/edition, use

Re: How do new users feel about LilyPond's documentation?

2015-04-22 Thread Urs Liska
Am 22.04.2015 um 20:48 schrieb Federico Bruni: Hi Abraham I've been using LilyPond since 6 years. I think that LilyPond documentation is great. Learning Manual is a gentle introduction (basically 3 chapters only) for new users and Notation Reference is a complete reference, well indexed and

Re: How do new users feel about LilyPond's documentation?

2015-04-22 Thread Flaming Hakama by Elaine
What is the thing you (especially new users) like the least about LilyPond's documentation structure? Insufficient explanation of the object model, the process model and the hierarchy of languages used and how they fit together. Example: Does anyone here really understand what a voice actually

Re: How do new users feel about LilyPond's documentation?

2015-04-22 Thread N. Andrew Walsh
I started using Lily for serious maybe a month ago, so I'm what you'd call new. I find the guide far more useful than the manual (the former seems more structured around how to do specific things, while the latter seems much more a general conceptual introduction). However (and this is something

Re: Do we really offer the future?

2015-04-22 Thread Calixte Faure
2015-04-22 20:07 GMT+02:00 Kieren MacMillan kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca: Someone spoke of python being able to translate between parallel and non-parallel music. Wouldn’t it be great to have a tool where you could: 1. Say “Given the current Lilypond file being outputted, show me ‘in

Is GridLY the future? (Was: Do we really offer the future?)

2015-04-22 Thread Gilles
Hello. I think you could vastly benefit from using openLilyLib's GridLY library. Of course thst's only viable for new projects. That looks interesting just from a quick reading of https://github.com/openlilylib/openlilylib/tree/master/ly/gridly I stumbled upon that page only through a web

Re: How do new users feel about LilyPond's documentation?

2015-04-22 Thread Gilles
Hello. On Wed, 22 Apr 2015 21:19:12 +0200, N. Andrew Walsh wrote: I started using Lily for serious maybe a month ago, so I'm what you'd call new. I find the guide far more useful than the manual (the former seems more structured around how to do specific things, while the latter seems much

Re: How do new users feel about LilyPond's documentation?

2015-04-22 Thread Larry Kent
My problem is that too much of it is written like the following response from Elaine, which looks like Pprogrammers Only Need Apply. I get frustrated when I'm looking for something to answer the question How do I increase/decrease the space between the bottom system and the footer? ...and cannot

Re: Introducing LV GoldenAge!

2015-04-22 Thread Martin Tarenskeen
On Wed, 22 Apr 2015, Abraham Lee wrote: Greetings, All! I've uploaded a few maintenance updates to fonts.openlilylib.org, including the addition of a new font family that I teased about before. Head on over and let me know if any links are broken. Your web browser may have the site's

Re: Is GridLY the future? (Was: Do we really offer the future?)

2015-04-22 Thread Urs Liska
Am 22.04.2015 um 21:29 schrieb Gilles: Hello. I think you could vastly benefit from using openLilyLib's GridLY library. Of course thst's only viable for new projects. That looks interesting just from a quick reading of https://github.com/openlilylib/openlilylib/tree/master/ly/gridly I

Re: Do we really offer the future?

2015-04-22 Thread Urs Liska
Am 22.04.2015 um 21:26 schrieb Calixte Faure: Or have a script/feature/tool that automatically counts measures : it would be able to put bar numbers in comment, and with another script we could say delete/comment/whatever measure n to m. I think this is something that will eventually be

Re: How do new users feel about LilyPond's documentation?

2015-04-22 Thread tisimst
Larry, On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 1:43 PM, Larry Kent-2 [via Lilypond] ml-node+s1069038n175030...@n5.nabble.com wrote: My problem is that too much of it is written like the following response from Elaine, which looks like Pprogrammers Only Need Apply. I get frustrated when I'm looking for

Re: Creating LilyPond Object Models

2015-04-22 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Harm, Speaking as a user, I always thought about a Voice like a _musician_, never had problems with that thinking. But (he says, taking on the role of the average newbie user) a pianist is a musician. So why can’t I write all of the piano music I need that musician to play in a single

回复: Jianpu Notation

2015-04-22 Thread Super-User
Hi, Ming! Here's a table of how the numbers should be converted. Please take a look. David Zhang -- 原始邮件 -- 发件人: MING TSANG;tsan...@rogers.com; 发送时间: 2015年4月23日(星期四) 凌晨1:34 收件人: Paul Morrisp...@paulwmorris.com; 抄送:

Re: lilypond-user Digest, Vol 149, Issue 159

2015-04-22 Thread Flaming Hakama by Elaine
From: Kieren MacMillan kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca Subject: Re: lilypond-user Digest, Vol 149, Issue 155 it makes me feel frustrated as a professional programmer that after years of using lilypond, I still have very little clue how it works I?ve heard you say that a lot, and it confuses

Re: Standard LilyPond score structure (Was: How do new users feel about LilyPond's documentation?)

2015-04-22 Thread Gilles
On Wed, 22 Apr 2015 21:53:42 -0400, Kieren MacMillan wrote: Hi Gilles, Yet you long for some_tool that would know how to remove a set of bars from That Production project. :-P A tool could do that *if* it knew what structure to expect. I don’t believe that’s necessary… but we can leave that

Instrument as first class citizen (Was: ...)

2015-04-22 Thread Gilles
On Wed, 22 Apr 2015 19:17:53 -0700, Flaming Hakama by Elaine wrote: [...] Without getting too technical, objects are things that you can create, have properties and relationships with other well-defined objects. This is true for things like staves, staff groups, scores, books, etc. You can

Standard LilyPond score structure (Was: How do new users feel about LilyPond's documentation?)

2015-04-22 Thread Gilles
Hello. [Changing subject line; so many different topics in a single thread...] On Wed, 22 Apr 2015 19:14:15 -0400, Kieren MacMillan wrote: Hi Gilles (et al.), Best practices, yes; for any score (not just large ones).[1] A flexible structure that would be compelling and foster the creation

Re: Do we really offer the future?

2015-04-22 Thread Stephen MacNeil
well you need to 1. remove the space with sed, so music % 1 becomes %1 also I added a at the end so it wouldn't get confused ie. %1 will also remove %10 %100 etc 2. since you used it after measure one sed can only delete measures after -- so 2 on you could just input %1x in the files where you

回复: Jianpu Notation

2015-04-22 Thread Super-User
To note, when in 1=C, a note in D should be notated as 2, and when in 1=D, the same note should be notated as 1, as demonstrated in the table.___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user

Re: Standard LilyPond score structure (Was: How do new users feel about LilyPond's documentation?)

2015-04-22 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Gilles, Yet you long for some_tool that would know how to remove a set of bars from That Production project. :-P A tool could do that *if* it knew what structure to expect. I don’t believe that’s necessary… but we can leave that aside for now, since the technical investigation required to

Re: Roman Numeral placement

2015-04-22 Thread Stephen MacNeil
Thanks Harm, I do think it would be cool -- i must say i only played a bit with it and yes in little examples :) Apart from the most simple cases and only in c-major. ;) actually I got it to go in all keys :) a hack i do admit .. but it does the job. anyway that as I said would be a great

Re: Do we really offer the future?

2015-04-22 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi, Is it possible that you always use the “LilyPond/Engrave (Publish)” option to run LilyPond? This removes the links between the input and the pdf. If you use “LilyPond/Engrave (Preview)” or the LilyPond icon on the toolbar, the links are included in the pdf. That does it! Of course,

Re: Standard LilyPond score structure (Was: How do new users feel about LilyPond's documentation?)

2015-04-22 Thread H. S. Teoh
On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 04:19:08AM +0200, Gilles wrote: On Wed, 22 Apr 2015 21:53:42 -0400, Kieren MacMillan wrote: [...] So, to output a simple 16-bar lead sheet, a user should always [be forced to] create 3 files (voice.ily, chords.ily, score.ly)? Or maybe four (lyrics.ily)? Or more?

Re: Do we really offer the future?

2015-04-22 Thread Shane Brandes
For God's sake don't deprecate \relative. It is far faster to input and you can convert with Frescobaldi. Shane On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 8:48 PM, Kieren MacMillan kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca wrote: Hi Stephen (et al.) anyway I tried a few examples and used %1a %2a etc for measures and used

Re: Jianpu Notation

2015-04-22 Thread Paul Morris
Hi Ming, On Apr 22, 2015, at 1:34 PM, MING TSANG tsan...@rogers.com wrote: Thank you for your jianpu3.ly I try to use it in key D the score display correctly, but the jianpu display differently. I don't know scheme. I am hoping in your spare time you can update it. Very much

What is a voice context?

2015-04-22 Thread Carl Sorensen
So now I'm going to jump in on what I think a Voice context is. A Voice context is a context, which means it can contain engravers, performers, and music expressions. It is a bottom context, which means it cannot contain other contexts. By default, it contains engravers that create the

Re: Jianpu Notation

2015-04-22 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 4/22/15 8:59 PM, Paul Morris p...@paulwmorris.com wrote: P.S. In case anyone is wondering, in 2.18 the context property ³keySignature becomes ³keyAlterations in 2.19. I believe this was to prevent confusion with the ³KeySignature grob. If your code has version strings, convert-ly should

Re: How do new users feel about LilyPond's documentation?

2015-04-22 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Carl (et al.), maybe it's worth setting up a LilyPond StackExchange Maybe… But we already hear complaints about how “the documentation” is spread across too many sites: the multiple doc books; LSR; the list archives; Scores of Beauty and similar; etc. I don't believe you do have to write

Re: How do new users feel about LilyPond's documentation?

2015-04-22 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Andrew, I started using Lily for serious maybe a month ago, so I'm what you'd call new. Welcome! =) There's been a lot of mention (I imagine rightfully) about how Lily is capable, above all, of making beautifully engraved scores, and her suitability to managing a text-based,

Re: Do we really offer the future?

2015-04-22 Thread Stephen MacNeil
Hey Calixte what a great idea it made me think. what about sed? Or have a script/feature/tool that automatically counts measures : it would be able to put bar numbers in comment, and with another script we could say delete/comment/whatever measure n to m anyway I tried a few examples and used

What is the problem with \relative? (Was: Do we really offer the future?)

2015-04-22 Thread Gilles
Yet another subject ;-) [...] Yet another reason to deprecate \relative, which I now avoid like the plague. (Unfortunately, I was suckered into using it when I started using Lilypond over a decade ago, so all my legacy code is in \relative mode. Using Frescobaldi, I’m slowly converting all my

Re: Standard LilyPond score structure (Was: How do new users feel about LilyPond's documentation?)

2015-04-22 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 4/22/15 6:53 PM, Kieren MacMillan kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca wrote: Hi Gilles, Yet you long for some_tool that would know how to remove a set of bars from That Production project. :-P A tool could do that *if* it knew what structure to expect. I don¹t believe that¹s necessaryŠ but we

Re: How do new users feel about LilyPond's documentation?

2015-04-22 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 4/22/15 9:01 PM, Carl Sorensen c_soren...@byu.edu wrote: On 4/22/15 5:19 PM, Kieren MacMillan kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca wrote: I would be happy to help write a ³Best Practices² guide (with whatever small free time I currently have), if only we as a community could agree on what that

Re: Do we really offer the future?

2015-04-22 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Stephen (et al.) anyway I tried a few examples and used %1a %2a etc for measures and used the bar check (|) as an end eg. %1a music | I use music | % 1 Would sed still work? worked almost every time, only problem I had was if I had to fix the octave Yet another reason to

Re: What is the problem with \relative? (Was: Do we really offer the future?)

2015-04-22 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Gilles, deprecate \relative, which I now avoid like the plague. Why? 1. It doesn’t play well with reuse: both trivial reuse (i.e., cut-and-paste) and more advanced (i.e., referenced in variables) require extra care at the very least, and outright extra work (e.g., octave checks,

Re: Creating LilyPond Object Models

2015-04-22 Thread Zoran Kesic
Carl Sorensen c_sorensen at byu.edu writes: %%% Start of model Contexts are LilyPond objects that contain properties, music expressions, and translators. Some contexts, like Score and Staff, can contain other contexts as well. Other contexts, like Voice, are bottom contexts and cannot

Re: How do new users feel about LilyPond's documentation?

2015-04-22 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 4/22/15 5:19 PM, Kieren MacMillan kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca wrote: I would be happy to help write a ³Best Practices² guide (with whatever small free time I currently have), if only we as a community could agree on what that document would look like, where it would live, and what it

Re: Instrument as first-class citizen

2015-04-22 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 4/22/15 7:17 PM, Flaming Hakama by Elaine ela...@flaminghakama.com wrote: Since I understand programming languages rather well, if I understanding how something is organized, then I can code it 100% of the time. Surely, I will have to refer to manuals to find out specifics about objects,

Re: What is the problem with \relative? (Was: Do we really offer the future?)

2015-04-22 Thread Hwaen Ch'uqi
Greetings, The reasons for one not using relative mode are clear, but it hardly justifies calling for its deprecation. As a composer of primarily piano music, it is an absolute lifesaver. And all to whom I have introduced LilyPond, primarily pianists or harpists, immediately gravitated to

Re: How do new users feel about LilyPond's documentation?

2015-04-22 Thread Wols Lists
On 22/04/15 20:19, N. Andrew Walsh wrote: I don't see anywhere in the reference or the manual where that sort of comprehensive style guide is presented. I'm thinking something like the doorstops O'Reilly's uses for documenting, say, HTML. I hate to use the term (it's already been ruined by

Re: Do we really offer the future?

2015-04-22 Thread tisimst
Kieren, On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 3:12 PM, Kieren MacMillan [via Lilypond] ml-node+s1069038n175042...@n5.nabble.com wrote: Hi Joram (et al.), just use point-and-click in Frescobaldi which brings me quickly to the place where I want to change something. That feature doesn't work for me.

Re: lilypond-user Digest, Vol 149, Issue 155

2015-04-22 Thread Paul Morris
On Apr 22, 2015, at 5:25 PM, Flaming Hakama by Elaine ela...@flaminghakama.com wrote: Or, thinking in the old-fashioned way, a thematic index of the documentation contents. Maybe something like this? :-) http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.18/Documentation/notation/lilypond-index

Re: Roman Numeral placement

2015-04-22 Thread SonusProj .
That is quite an example of taking my long hair code and making it efficient. It will take some reading for me to understand what all is happening here. Thanks for your assistance. Lance On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 3:19 AM, Simon Albrecht simon.albre...@mail.de wrote: Am 22.04.2015 um 04:29

Re: Roman Numeral placement

2015-04-22 Thread Thomas Morley
2015-04-22 19:24 GMT+02:00 Stephen MacNeil classicalja...@gmail.com: Harm , Thomas Morley and others I like to follow the discussions even if I don't understand/need something because I usually learn a lot and sometimes even adapt some ideas or code into something I can use later. In this

Re: Do we really offer the future?

2015-04-22 Thread tisimst
All, On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 2:21 PM, Noeck [via Lilypond] ml-node+s1069038n175034...@n5.nabble.com wrote: this is a triviality for most of you and it does not solve the original issue of deleting a measure easily. I have really enjoyed following this thread. It's always fascinating to hear

Creating LilyPond Object Models

2015-04-22 Thread Carl Sorensen
David Elaine Alt finds that a major obstacle to understanding lilypond is the lack of a comprehensive (and/or comprehensible) object model. The question was asked: Does anyone really understand what a Voice is? I think there are two levels at which object models need to be understood: the user

Re: Introducing LV GoldenAge!

2015-04-22 Thread David Bellows
Looks really nice Abraham! The font situation is now becoming an embarrassment of riches! And I would also like to mention that the openlilylib install-lily-fonts program worked like a charm and now I have these newest updates. Nice job all the way around! On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 12:45 PM,

Re: Do we really offer the future?

2015-04-22 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Joram (et al.), just use point-and-click in Frescobaldi which brings me quickly to the place where I want to change something. That feature doesn't work for me. Is that because of the way I’ve structured my files? Thanks, Kieren. Kieren MacMillan,

Re: How do new users feel about LilyPond's documentation?

2015-04-22 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 4/22/15 1:30 PM, Martin Tarenskeen m.tarensk...@zonnet.nl wrote: Stiil, I will try to give a sketch what happens to me again and again: I want to learn about how to change defaults and how to tweak default output so I open the Notation Reference: Notation Refence - 5. Changing Defaults A

Re: lilypond-user Digest, Vol 149, Issue 155

2015-04-22 Thread Flaming Hakama by Elaine
My problem is that too much of it is written like the following response from Elaine, which looks like Pprogrammers Only Need Apply. There is no getting around the fact that lilypond is a programming language. I don't see how to bridge that gap except with GUIs. Even then, the GUI would

Re: Roman Numeral placement

2015-04-22 Thread Thomas Morley
2015-04-22 4:23 GMT+02:00 SonusProj . sonusproject...@gmail.com: That solution is also quite elegant. I need to spend some time understanding what you have created. Your chosen syntax is beyond my current understanding. Thanks for your input. Respectfully, Lance Well, you wrote:

Re: How do new users feel about LilyPond's documentation?

2015-04-22 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Larry, I get frustrated when I'm looking for something to answer the question How do I increase/decrease the space between the bottom system and the footer? ...and cannot find an answer that begins Here's how to increase/decrease the space between the bottom system and the footer.”

Re: How do new users feel about LilyPond's documentation?

2015-04-22 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 4/22/15 4:13 PM, Eyolf Østrem ey...@oestrem.com wrote: On 22.04.2015 (21:19), Carl Sorensen wrote: If the manual were to show you exactly how to make every possible particular tweak or change every possible default setting, it would need to be many times longer than it is. The goal is

Re: Creating LilyPond Object Models

2015-04-22 Thread Thomas Morley
2015-04-23 1:29 GMT+02:00 Carl Sorensen c_soren...@byu.edu: David Elaine Alt finds that a major obstacle to understanding lilypond is the lack of a comprehensive (and/or comprehensible) object model. The question was asked: Does anyone really understand what a Voice is? Speaking as a user, I

Re: lilypond-user Digest, Vol 149, Issue 155

2015-04-22 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi, There is no getting around the fact that lilypond is a programming language. Nope. I don't see how to bridge that gap except with GUIs. If you mean make it so that users don’t realize it’s a programming language while they’re using it, then I agree. it makes me feel frustrated as a

Re: How do new users feel about LilyPond's documentation?

2015-04-22 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Gilles (et al.), Best practices, yes; for any score (not just large ones).[1] A flexible structure that would be compelling and foster the creation of compliant tools. I have a pretty rich imagination, and I can’t begin to conceive of a Lilypond best practice [singular] or flexible

Re: Do we really offer the future?

2015-04-22 Thread Thomas Morley
2015-04-22 22:38 GMT+02:00 tisimst tisimst.lilyp...@gmail.com: All, On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 2:21 PM, Noeck [via Lilypond] [hidden email] wrote: this is a triviality for most of you and it does not solve the original issue of deleting a measure easily. I have really enjoyed following this

Re: How do new users feel about LilyPond's documentation?

2015-04-22 Thread Simon Albrecht
Hello, I recall that I was always thinking it would be best to have a person at hand, maybe even sharing a ‘bureau’, who could answer my question. Or attending a class, in which one would for example be guided in coding example scores, and receive immediate feedback. Later I realised that I

Re: Do we really offer the future?

2015-04-22 Thread Cynthia Karl
Message: 1 Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2015 17:11:34 -0400 From: Kieren MacMillan kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca To: Noeck noeck.marb...@gmx.de Subject: Re: Do we really offer the future? Hi Joram (et al.), just use point-and-click in Frescobaldi which brings me quickly to the place where I

Re: How do new users feel about LilyPond's documentation?

2015-04-22 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Wol, What I'd like to see is worked, documented examples. I’m happy to supply a few… But there are so many questions: 1. Where would they be kept? 2. How “rich” would the examples need to be, or not be? Even just a one-page excerpt from my Passacaglia for String Quartet would require

Re: Jianpu Notation

2015-04-22 Thread Werner LEMBERG
Ok, the problem was that your music file was for LilyPond 2.19 and jianpu3.ly only works with 2.18. Have you proposed adding this to LilyPond? It seems like this would be a promising thing to add to the core, since it's another standard notation. But it's still *far* away from the look of

Cross staff beaming warning

2015-04-22 Thread Andrew Bernard
Greetings Ponderers, In relation to cross staff beaming, referring to the attached image snippet, bar A is what I want (no, this is not Common Practice Era engraving), but the lilypond compiler issues the following warning: warning: weird stem size, check for narrow beams Bar B compiles

Re: Jianpu Notation

2015-04-22 Thread Paul Morris
Hi Carl, On Apr 23, 2015, at 12:24 AM, Carl Sorensen c_soren...@byu.edu wrote: On 4/22/15 8:59 PM, Paul Morris p...@paulwmorris.com wrote: P.S. In case anyone is wondering, in 2.18 the context property łkeySignature becomes łkeyAlterations in 2.19. I believe this was to prevent

Re: Introducing LV GoldenAge!

2015-04-22 Thread tisimst
On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 2:46 PM, David Bellows [via Lilypond] ml-node+s1069038n175038...@n5.nabble.com wrote: Looks really nice Abraham! The font situation is now becoming an embarrassment of riches! Thanks, David! I guess you could say that I never want custom housestyles to be a stumbling

Re: Jianpu Notation

2015-04-22 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 4/22/15 8:59 PM, Paul Morris p...@paulwmorris.com wrote: Ok, the problem was that your music file was for LilyPond 2.19 and jianpu3.ly only works with 2.18. Have you proposed adding this to LilyPond? It seems like this would be a promising thing to add to the core, since it's another

Re: Jianpu Notation

2015-04-22 Thread Paul Morris
On Apr 23, 2015, at 12:30 AM, Carl Sorensen c_soren...@byu.edu wrote: On 4/22/15 8:59 PM, Paul Morris p...@paulwmorris.com wrote: Ok, the problem was that your music file was for LilyPond 2.19 and jianpu3.ly only works with 2.18. Have you proposed adding this to LilyPond? It seems like

Re: Do we really offer the future?

2015-04-22 Thread James Harkins
On April 22, 2015 7:43:10 PM Trevor Daniels t.dani...@treda.co.uk wrote: Although not well-publicised there is a way of entering multi-voice or multi-staff music complete bar by complete bar. There is a restriction that bars must be all the same length, but at least all the notes of a bar

Re: Jianpu Notation

2015-04-22 Thread Super-User
Hello! As the one who raise this topic, I would love to see this adding to the core (and well documented) when all gears' up, as it could be read by a billion and written by millions. Seheme, as a dialect of Lisp, can be annotated with ;; so that our Scheme codes implementing Jianpu can be

Re: How do new users feel about LilyPond's documentation?

2015-04-22 Thread Urs Liska
Am 22.04.2015 um 22:05 schrieb tisimst: Larry, On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 1:43 PM, Larry Kent-2 [via Lilypond] [hidden email] /user/SendEmail.jtp?type=nodenode=175032i=0 wrote: My problem is that too much of it is written like the following response from Elaine, which looks like

Re: Do we really offer the future?

2015-04-22 Thread Noeck
Hi, this is a triviality for most of you and it does not solve the original issue of deleting a measure easily. But I wanted to mention how jumping between staves and selecting measures gets much easier than searching the ly file. Once the file structure is done and the score is (partially)

Re: How do new users feel about LilyPond's documentation?

2015-04-22 Thread Martin Tarenskeen
On Wed, 22 Apr 2015, Larry Kent wrote: I get frustrated when I'm looking for something to answer the question How do I increase/decrease the space between the bottom system and the footer? ...and cannot find an answer that begins Here's how to increase/decrease the space between the bottom

Re: Defining custom fretboards

2015-04-22 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 4/21/15 6:48 PM, James jworl...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks, Carl. This does what I'm looking for. Is this in the documentation? I couldn't (and still can't) find it. I think it's in the documentation, but maybe you can find a way to express it more clearly. The places I found it are listed

Re: Is GridLY the future? (Was: Do we really offer the future?)

2015-04-22 Thread Thomas Morley
2015-04-22 21:41 GMT+02:00 Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org: Am 22.04.2015 um 21:29 schrieb Gilles: Hello. I think you could vastly benefit from using openLilyLib's GridLY library. Of course thst's only viable for new projects. That looks interesting just from a quick reading of

Re: How do new users feel about LilyPond's documentation?

2015-04-22 Thread Simon Albrecht
Am 22.04.2015 um 23:19 schrieb Carl Sorensen: On 4/22/15 1:30 PM, Martin Tarenskeen m.tarensk...@zonnet.nl wrote: Stiil, I will try to give a sketch what happens to me again and again: I want to learn about how to change defaults and how to tweak default output so I open the Notation

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