Re: Any advice for getting emacs working with lilypond on MacOsX?

2014-05-14 Thread Tim McNamara
On May 13, 2014, at 12:55 PM, Marnen Laibow-Koser mar...@marnen.org wrote: On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 1:25 PM, Davide Liessi davide.lie...@gmail.com wrote: @Marnen: can you confirm that `brew install frescobaldi` asks the user to manually install XQuartz and MacTeX? Maybe we should clarify

Re: Any advice for getting emacs working with lilypond on MacOsX?

2014-05-14 Thread Philippe Massart
Could it be to allow font compilation using Metafont that is part of TeX? Philippe Le 14 mai 2014 à 18:49, Tim McNamara tim...@bitstream.net a écrit : Out of curiosity, why is a LaTeX distribution required? Lilypond doesn’t use LaTeX.

Re: Any advice for getting emacs working with lilypond on MacOsX?

2014-05-14 Thread David Kastrup
Tim McNamara tim...@bitstream.net writes: On May 13, 2014, at 12:55 PM, Marnen Laibow-Koser mar...@marnen.org wrote: On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 1:25 PM, Davide Liessi davide.lie...@gmail.com wrote: @Marnen: can you confirm that `brew install frescobaldi` asks the user to manually install

Re: Any advice for getting emacs working with lilypond on MacOsX?

2014-05-14 Thread Tim McNamara
On May 14, 2014, at 12:56 PM, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: Tim McNamara tim...@bitstream.net writes: On May 13, 2014, at 12:55 PM, Marnen Laibow-Koser mar...@marnen.org wrote: On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 1:25 PM, Davide Liessi davide.lie...@gmail.com wrote: @Marnen: can you confirm

Re: Any advice for getting emacs working with lilypond on MacOsX?

2014-05-14 Thread David Kastrup
Tim McNamara tim...@bitstream.net writes: On May 14, 2014, at 12:56 PM, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: Tim McNamara tim...@bitstream.net writes: On May 13, 2014, at 12:55 PM, Marnen Laibow-Koser mar...@marnen.org wrote: On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 1:25 PM, Davide Liessi

Re: Any advice for getting emacs working with lilypond on MacOsX?

2014-05-13 Thread Davide Liessi
2014-05-10 5:32 GMT+02:00 rif r...@mit.edu: And just to be clear, when you see Frescobaldi is easy to install, it looks to me like I have to first install Homebrew, then I have to manually install XQuartz and and MacTeX [neither of which is packaged with Homebrew], and *then* I can just do a

Re: Any advice for getting emacs working with lilypond on MacOsX?

2014-05-13 Thread rif
On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 7:39 AM, Davide Liessi davide.lie...@gmail.comwrote: 2014-05-10 5:32 GMT+02:00 rif r...@mit.edu: And just to be clear, when you see Frescobaldi is easy to install, it looks to me like I have to first install Homebrew, then I have to manually install XQuartz and

Re: Any advice for getting emacs working with lilypond on MacOsX?

2014-05-13 Thread Davide Liessi
2014-05-13 17:52 GMT+02:00 rif r...@mit.edu: I was attempting to install Fresdcobaldi with Lilypond. All I can tell you is that running a brew install frescobaldi told me I needed MacTeX. I'm not a Homebrew expert, but probably MacTeX is considered by Homebrew a dependency of LilyPond itself.

Re: Any advice for getting emacs working with lilypond on MacOsX?

2014-05-13 Thread rif
On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 10:25 AM, Davide Liessi davide.lie...@gmail.comwrote: 2014-05-13 17:52 GMT+02:00 rif r...@mit.edu: I was attempting to install Fresdcobaldi with Lilypond. All I can tell you is that running a brew install frescobaldi told me I needed MacTeX. I'm not a Homebrew

Re: Any advice for getting emacs working with lilypond on MacOsX?

2014-05-13 Thread Davide Liessi
2014-05-13 19:55 GMT+02:00 Marnen Laibow-Koser mar...@marnen.org: On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 1:25 PM, Davide Liessi davide.lie...@gmail.com wrote: You should install LilyPond from [1] and then install Frescobaldi through Homebrew with `brew install frescobaldi --without-lilypond` (see [2] for

Re: Any advice for getting emacs working with lilypond on MacOsX?

2014-05-13 Thread Marnen Laibow-Koser
On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 1:25 PM, Davide Liessi davide.lie...@gmail.comwrote: 2014-05-13 17:52 GMT+02:00 rif r...@mit.edu: I was attempting to install Fresdcobaldi with Lilypond. All I can tell you is that running a brew install frescobaldi told me I needed MacTeX. I'm not a Homebrew

Re: Any advice for getting emacs working with lilypond on MacOsX?

2014-05-11 Thread rif
OK, I'll sub to the mailing list directly and start sending bugs that way. On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 10:09 PM, Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org wrote: I'm a little confused how to file the bug or what I should say. Is the suggestion to use

Re: Any advice for getting emacs working with lilypond on MacOsX?

2014-05-11 Thread rif
Actually, Tim, there *is* an incantation for Homebrew too, it just doesn't really work very easily. It seems people are working on it. On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 8:55 PM, Tim McNamara tim...@bitstream.net wrote: Oh, dear. Very sorry for what seemed no doubt like an entire school of red

Re: Any advice for getting emacs working with lilypond on MacOsX?

2014-05-10 Thread rif
FWIW, I spent multiple hours in install hell trying to get a homebrew install of frescobaldi to work, with zero success. AFAICT homebrew doesn't really have forums or mailing lists? I might stick with emacs for now. rif On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 8:32 PM, rif r...@mit.edu wrote: And just to be

Re: Any advice for getting emacs working with lilypond on MacOsX?

2014-05-10 Thread pls
Hi rif, you don’t (necessarily) need to install homebrew to get Frescobaldi to work. Davide Liessi provided a dmg-installer for Frescobaldi 2.0.16: https://www.dropbox.com/s/o4o65629jv9ytw4/Frescobaldi-2.0.16-dev-20140421.dmg See:

Re: Any advice for getting emacs working with lilypond on MacOsX?

2014-05-10 Thread rif
Interesting. I am slowly learning that I should read the mailing list extensively rather than assume the lilypond docs themselves are up to date? On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 6:14 AM, pls p.l.schm...@gmx.de wrote: Hi rif, you don’t (necessarily) need to install homebrew to get Frescobaldi to

Re: Any advice for getting emacs working with lilypond on MacOsX?

2014-05-10 Thread Phil Holmes
Frescobaldi is not part of the LilyPond delivery, so why should it be covered in the LilyPond docs? -- Phil Holmes - Original Message - From: rif To: pls Cc: LilyPond Users Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2014 2:17 PM Subject: Re: Any advice for getting emacs working with

Re: Any advice for getting emacs working with lilypond on MacOsX?

2014-05-10 Thread rif
Fair enough. Sorry to be cranky, I had a bad experience with the lilypond docs on emacs mode, and then Tim sent me to Frescobaldi, which I considered [perhaps entirely incorrectly] somewhat associated [because it is built on top of lilypond] and had an even worse experience there, with the

Re: Any advice for getting emacs working with lilypond on MacOsX?

2014-05-10 Thread Werner LEMBERG
I had a bad experience with the lilypond docs on emacs mode, [...] My usual reply to such rants: Please report the problems with the documentation to the mailing list (in case you haven't done so yet; I didn't follow the discussion close enough to remember) so that we can improve it! This is:

Re: Any advice for getting emacs working with lilypond on MacOsX?

2014-05-10 Thread rif
On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 8:22 AM, Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org wrote: I had a bad experience with the lilypond docs on emacs mode, [...] My usual reply to such rants: Please report the problems with the documentation to the mailing list (in case you haven't done so yet; I didn't follow the

Re: Any advice for getting emacs working with lilypond on MacOsX?

2014-05-10 Thread Werner LEMBERG
Please report the problems with the documentation to the mailing list (in case you haven't done so yet; I didn't follow the discussion close enough to remember) Werner, that was the first thing I did. Right here in this thread. In the very first message. Yep. It's the correct thing. Now

Re: Any advice for getting emacs working with lilypond on MacOsX?

2014-05-10 Thread Werner LEMBERG
If you install from the source, the canonical way to compile and install emacs is to do the following [...] Oops! I mean `... to compile and install lilypond', of course. Werner ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org

Re: Any advice for getting emacs working with lilypond on MacOsX?

2014-05-10 Thread rif
I'm a little confused how to file the bug or what I should say. Is the suggestion to use http://post.gmane.org/post.php?group=gmane.comp.gnu.lilypond.bugs? Do I have to include something about not top posting? This is the right place for documentation bugs? rif On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 11:19

Re: Any advice for getting emacs working with lilypond on MacOsX?

2014-05-10 Thread Tim McNamara
Oh, dear. Very sorry for what seemed no doubt like an entire school of red herring. There is an incantation to use for installing Frescobaldi via MacPorts (sudo port install lilypond) but not AFAIK Homebrew. Much, much easier is David L’s .dmg Frescobaldi package that has already been

Re: Any advice for getting emacs working with lilypond on MacOsX?

2014-05-10 Thread Werner LEMBERG
I'm a little confused how to file the bug or what I should say. Is the suggestion to use http://post.gmane.org/post.php?group=gmane.comp.gnu.lilypond.bugs? Aah, you are reading the lilypond mailing lists via gmane. Yes, I think the `bug-lilypond' mailing list gets mapped to

Any advice for getting emacs working with lilypond on MacOsX?

2014-05-09 Thread rif
The documentation seems spotty and inadequate compared to when I tried this a few years ago. I feel hopelessly lost. I found http://www.lilypond.org/doc/v2.19/Documentation/usage/text-editor-support. This tells me I need to do a make install. This implies I need the source to do anything at all

Re: Any advice for getting emacs working with lilypond on MacOsX?

2014-05-09 Thread Tim McNamara
On May 9, 2014, at 12:43 PM, rif r...@mit.edu wrote: The documentation seems spotty and inadequate compared to when I tried this a few years ago. I feel hopelessly lost. I found http://www.lilypond.org/doc/v2.19/Documentation/usage/text-editor-support. This tells me I need to do a

Re: Any advice for getting emacs working with lilypond on MacOsX?

2014-05-09 Thread R. Mattes
On Fri, 9 May 2014 13:44:31 -0500, Tim McNamara wrote [...snip...] (setq path /bin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/Users/tim/bin:/Users/YOUR_USER_NAME/Applications/LilyPond.app/Contents/Resources/bin) (setenv PATH path) (setq load-path (append (list

Re: Any advice for getting emacs working with lilypond on MacOsX?

2014-05-09 Thread rif
Cool. Maybe it makes sense to update the documentation to indicate the elisp files are in the precompiled tarball and just to point at them? That make install is a red herring. On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 12:15 PM, R. Mattes r...@mh-freiburg.de wrote: On Fri, 9 May 2014 13:44:31 -0500, Tim

Re: Any advice for getting emacs working with lilypond on MacOsX?

2014-05-09 Thread rif
And just to be clear, when you see Frescobaldi is easy to install, it looks to me like I have to first install Homebrew, then I have to manually install XQuartz and and MacTeX [neither of which is packaged with Homebrew], and *then* I can just do a brew install frescobaldi? On Fri, May 9, 2014