Re: Lilypond Website Work

2013-12-09 Thread David Kastrup
Carl Peterson carlopeter...@gmail.com writes: On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 5:55 PM, Carl Peterson carlopeter...@gmail.comwrote: I have something in development for #2 on Federico's list. I've parsed through enough of the texi2html script that I was able to insert CSS classes into the body tag that

Re: LilyPond Website Work

2013-12-09 Thread Janek Warchoł
2013/12/9 Carl Peterson carlopeter...@gmail.com: 2013/12/6 David Kastrup d...@gnu.org: A complete color _scheme_ might be distracting, but it may make sense to have a title or side bar or other obvious always on-screen element color-coded. Okay, so I have a patch set ready to go with

Re: LilyPond Website Work

2013-12-09 Thread Federico Bruni
Il 09/dic/2013 09:22 Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com ha scritto: 2013/12/9 Carl Peterson carlopeter...@gmail.com: 2013/12/6 David Kastrup d...@gnu.org: A complete color _scheme_ might be distracting, but it may make sense to have a title or side bar or other obvious always

Re: Lilypond Website Work

2013-12-08 Thread Federico Bruni
2013/12/6 Federico Bruni fedel...@gmail.com These problems should be recorded in our tracker. So far I've seen 2 issues/feature requests: 1. improve SEO 2. associate a different color scheme to each manual I've added them: https://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=3714

Re: Lilypond Website Work

2013-12-08 Thread Urs Liska
Am 08.12.2013 23:23, schrieb Federico Bruni: 2013/12/6 Federico Bruni fedel...@gmail.com mailto:fedel...@gmail.com These problems should be recorded in our tracker. So far I've seen 2 issues/feature requests: 1. improve SEO 2. associate a different color scheme to each manual

Re: Lilypond Website Work

2013-12-08 Thread Carl Peterson
On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 5:34 PM, Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org wrote: Am 08.12.2013 23:23, schrieb Federico Bruni: 2013/12/6 Federico Bruni fedel...@gmail.com These problems should be recorded in our tracker. So far I've seen 2 issues/feature requests: 1. improve SEO 2. associate a

Re: Lilypond Website Work

2013-12-08 Thread Carl Peterson
On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 5:55 PM, Carl Peterson carlopeter...@gmail.comwrote: I have something in development for #2 on Federico's list. I've parsed through enough of the texi2html script that I was able to insert CSS classes into the body tag that will allow me to color code each manual. One

Re: LilyPond Website Work

2013-12-08 Thread Carl Peterson
On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 3:26 AM, Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.comwrote: 2013/12/6 David Kastrup d...@gnu.org: Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com writes: A suggestion from my colleague: for a long time he kept confusing LM and NR, and he said that it would be nice if (for example)

Re: LilyPond Website Work (was: A thought on Windows Experience)

2013-12-07 Thread Urs Liska
Am 06.12.2013 09:12, schrieb Janek Warchoł: 2013/12/6 Carl Peterson carlopeter...@gmail.com: Having worked for two corporations that have fairly extensive (and stringent) visual identity and branding guidelines (colors, typeface, formatting, etc.), I've learned that there are ways to make an

Re: LilyPond Website Work

2013-12-07 Thread Janek Warchoł
2013/12/7 David Kastrup d...@gnu.org: It may also be a good idea to find a way to visually distinguish between the stable and the development sections of website/manual? Stable: solid color in the color coded area. Development: diagonally striped or patterned in some other way. +1

Re: LilyPond Website Work

2013-12-07 Thread David Bolton
On 12/7/2013 6:39 AM, Urs Liska wrote: As can be seen here (one more time): Am 07.12.2013 08:45, schrieb Janek Warchoł: 2013/12/7 David Bolton davidkbol...@gmail.com: ... And by the way, why are you using documentation for versions 2.16 and 2.17 while the file is marked as 2.14? This

Re: LilyPond Website Work

2013-12-07 Thread David Bolton
On 12/7/2013 9:48 AM, Janek Warchoł wrote: 2013/12/7 David Kastrup d...@gnu.org: It may also be a good idea to find a way to visually distinguish between the stable and the development sections of website/manual? Stable: solid color in the color coded area. Development: diagonally striped or

Re: LilyPond Website Work

2013-12-07 Thread Carl Peterson
On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 3:42 PM, Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net wrote: My recommendations would be: 1. Use a consistent URL for the latest stable version of LilyPond documentation. That way web searches and other pages across the web link to the latest version instead of ancient versions of

Re: LilyPond Website Work (was: A thought on Windows Experience)

2013-12-06 Thread Janek Warchoł
2013/12/6 Carl Peterson carlopeter...@gmail.com: Having worked for two corporations that have fairly extensive (and stringent) visual identity and branding guidelines (colors, typeface, formatting, etc.), I've learned that there are ways to make an obvious change between two things while still

Re: LilyPond Website Work

2013-12-06 Thread David Kastrup
Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com writes: 2013/12/6 Carl Peterson carlopeter...@gmail.com: Having worked for two corporations that have fairly extensive (and stringent) visual identity and branding guidelines (colors, typeface, formatting, etc.), I've learned that there are ways to make

Re: LilyPond Website Work

2013-12-06 Thread Janek Warchoł
2013/12/6 David Kastrup d...@gnu.org: Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com writes: A suggestion from my colleague: for a long time he kept confusing LM and NR, and he said that it would be nice if (for example) they had different color schemes so that one will know where to look at things

Re: Lilypond Website Work

2013-12-06 Thread Phil Burfitt
Carl, you might also like to keep in mind Lilypond's search rankings while you redesign. A first page listing would bump up traffic considerable, and shouldn't be hard to achieve given that whoever designed lilypond's homepage hasn't given any thought to SE ranking - there's just no relevant

Re: Lilypond Website Work

2013-12-06 Thread Federico Bruni
2013/12/6 Phil Burfitt phil.burf...@talktalk.net Carl, you might also like to keep in mind Lilypond's search rankings while you redesign. A first page listing would bump up traffic considerable, and shouldn't be hard to achieve given that whoever designed lilypond's homepage hasn't given any

Re: Lilypond Website Work

2013-12-06 Thread Jan Nieuwenhuizen
Federico Bruni writes: 2013/12/6 Phil Burfitt phil.burf...@talktalk.net Carl, you might also like to keep in mind Lilypond's search rankings while you redesign. This is really bad, I never checked it. 1. improve SEO I guess I'm glad someone notices and seems to care

Re: LilyPond Website Work (was: A thought on Windows Experience)

2013-12-06 Thread James Harkins
A side comment, picking up on a comment in the Windows experience thread: I hope the new site will avoid any hooks to Google analytics or other APIs. I'm behind the Great Firewall of China, and I see frequently how Google dependencies cause page loading times to balloon, while the browser waits

Re: Lilypond Website Work

2013-12-06 Thread Urs Liska
Am 06.12.2013 14:12, schrieb Federico Bruni: These problems should be recorded in our tracker. So far I've seen 2 issues/feature requests: 1. improve SEO 2. associate a different color scheme to each manual I think although not explicitly stated as a feature request the discussion surely

Re: Lilypond Website Work

2013-12-06 Thread David Kastrup
Urs Liska m...@ursliska.de writes: Am 06.12.2013 14:12, schrieb Federico Bruni: These problems should be recorded in our tracker. So far I've seen 2 issues/feature requests: 1. improve SEO 2. associate a different color scheme to each manual I think although not explicitly stated as a

Re: LilyPond Website Work (was: A thought on Windows Experience)

2013-12-06 Thread Carl Peterson
On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 9:00 AM, James Harkins jamshar...@gmail.com wrote: A side comment, picking up on a comment in the Windows experience thread: I hope the new site will avoid any hooks to Google analytics or other APIs. I'm behind the Great Firewall of China, and I see frequently how

Re: LilyPond Website Work (was: A thought on Windows Experience)

2013-12-06 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: Carl Peterson I want to eventually eliminate any image file that does not contribute to content. The first victim of this will be the gradient images used for the header and navigation backgrounds. CSS gradients can be coded for fewer bytes and one less

Re: LilyPond Website Work

2013-12-06 Thread David Kastrup
Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net writes: - Original Message - From: Carl Peterson I want to eventually eliminate any image file that does not contribute to content. The first victim of this will be the gradient images used for the header and navigation backgrounds. CSS gradients

Re: LilyPond Website Work (was: A thought on Windows Experience)

2013-12-06 Thread Phil Burfitt
- Original Message - From: Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 3:35 PM Our server is provided on a goodwill basis, and so we would not want to use any scripting that might load it. Carl Perterson wrote: CSS gradients can be coded for fewer bytes and one

Re: LilyPond Website Work (was: A thought on Windows Experience)

2013-12-06 Thread Phil Holmes
: LilyPond Website Work (was: A thought on Windows Experience) - Original Message - From: Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 3:35 PM Our server is provided on a goodwill basis, and so we would not want to use any scripting that might load it. Carl Perterson

Re: LilyPond Website Work (was: A thought on Windows Experience)

2013-12-06 Thread Carl Peterson
On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 11:08 AM, Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net wrote: Well, yes, as CPU load. I remain of the view that this is not a good use of time - there are other things that will be of greater value for less effort. Remember, you'll not be doing this by editing HTML, but the

Re: Lilypond Website Work

2013-12-06 Thread Ryan McClure
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Re: Lilypond Website Work

2013-12-06 Thread Phil Burfitt
From: Ryan McClure ryanmichaelmccl...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 6:59 PM I just did a Google search on a computer that I've never used/logged into before. My account was fresh, and I did these searches without any previous history affecting my results: Music notation

Re: Lilypond Website Work

2013-12-06 Thread Phil Burfitt
From: Ryan McClure ryanmichaelmccl...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 6:59 PM I just did a Google search on a computer that I've never used/logged into before. My account was fresh, and I did these searches without any previous history affecting my results: Music notation

Re: Lilypond Website Work

2013-12-06 Thread Janek Warchoł
Urs, 2013/12/6 David Kastrup d...@gnu.org: Urs Liska m...@ursliska.de writes: Am 06.12.2013 14:12, schrieb Federico Bruni: These problems should be recorded in our tracker. So far I've seen 2 issues/feature requests: 1. improve SEO 2. associate a different color scheme to each manual I

Re: Lilypond Website Work

2013-12-06 Thread Urs Liska
Am 06.12.2013 21:26, schrieb Janek Warchoł: Urs, 2013/12/6 David Kastrup d...@gnu.org: Urs Liska m...@ursliska.de writes: I think although not explicitly stated as a feature request the discussion surely yields 3. Clarify first steps/new user experience. I don't think that this is the

LilyPond Website Work (was: A thought on Windows Experience)

2013-12-05 Thread Carl Peterson
Branching this discussion into its own topic On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 11:25 AM, Phil Burfitt phil.burf...@talktalk.netwrote: Tim McNamara wrote: If you think that Lilypond's web page needs a facelift, then volunteer to roll up your sleeves and help change it... Werner Lemberg wrote:

Re: LilyPond Website Work (was: A thought on Windows Experience)

2013-12-05 Thread Janek Warchoł
Hi, 2013/12/5 Carl Peterson carlopeter...@gmail.com: Having dived into the git repo and page source a little, here is what I see as the road map to improving the look of the LilyPond website, with an eye toward getting the most benefit the fastest. [...] I have no expertise in these areas,

Re: LilyPond Website Work (was: A thought on Windows Experience)

2013-12-05 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 12/5/13 9:43 AM, Carl Peterson carlopeter...@gmail.com wrote: 1) Review the CSS of both the website and the documentation. These are simply CSS files that don't need any compiling or reconfiguring. The eyesore for me is the documentation, and it would be nice to start to move the two into

Re: LilyPond Website Work (was: A thought on Windows Experience)

2013-12-05 Thread Carl Peterson
On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 8:13 PM, Carl Sorensen c_soren...@byu.edu wrote: On 12/5/13 9:43 AM, Carl Peterson carlopeter...@gmail.com wrote: 1) Review the CSS of both the website and the documentation. These are simply CSS files that don't need any compiling or reconfiguring. The eyesore for