All this Music related things are just a hobby for me. No one has paid me
to do it. So any form of payments and paid arrangements are out of
question, I am afraid.
I still believe the right coder will come out from somewhere as PMN is
quite close to a Tablature (i. e. 'renova rows' resemble
Hi Pashkuli,
> I will look that Scheme script or language up. I hope it is not going to be a
> steep learning curve, as I also do not have the time to learn coding.
> I tried some C++ basic stuff many ears ago... and it was... painful.
Well, this system won’t code itself. ;)
As with
> On 6 Feb 2021, at 16:23, Pashkuli Keyboard
> wrote:
>
> From Hans' comment, it seems Lilypond is also heavily attached to the
> "standard" notation.
Yes, it is hardwired, so one has to introduce special rules to cope with E12
enharmonic equivalences.
I will look that Scheme script or language up. I hope it is not going to be
a steep learning curve, as I also do not have the time to learn coding.
I tried some C++ basic stuff many ears ago... and it was... painful.
Hi Pashkuli,
> If you do not want to know, there is no reason to know about my Plain Music
> Notation system.
Except if my reason is to help you engrave your system, right? I don’t need to
believe or be convinced that (e.g.) rap music is superior to jazz in order to
help someone who *does*
Hi, David
Never heard of this 'Scheme' language. In terms of coding all I can do for
now is "Hello, world!" or assigning variables...
Thanks for the info. Will check it out now.
Hi, Kieren
If you do not want to know, there is no reason to know about my Plain Music
Notation system.
There are no
On Sat, Feb 6, 2021 at 10:19 AM Pashkuli Keyboard
wrote:
>
> Hi, Kieren
> PMN is finished in terms of how it will look and how function.
> The problem is it is quite radically different from any Music Notation I have
> encountered on http://musicnotation.org
>
> All need now is a skilful
Hi Pashkuli,
> PMN is finished in terms of how it will look and how function.
Ah… well, I didn’t pay close attention to the thread, because it seemed like
more of a proselytizing (or, perhaps more kindly, “philosophical”) discussion,
rather than a “here are the precise rules of my system, how
Hi, Kieren
*PMN is finished in terms of how it will look and how function.*
*The problem is it is quite radically different from any Music Notation I
have encountered on *http://musicnotation.org
All need now is a skilful software developer who can at least help me
(guide me) build it (JavaScript
Hi Pashkuli,
> Yes, seems I am at the wrong place (again).
> Please, delete the thread. There is no reason to confuse the users.
When you have worked out what your “improved notation system” looks like and
how it works, feel free to come back here to figure out how Lilypond can help
you
Yes, seems I am at the wrong place (again).
Please, delete the thread. There is no reason to confuse the users.
Hello Pashkuli,
I'm sorry to say that this discussion of yours should take place elsewhere,
since this forum is meant to help LilyPond users.
JM
> Le 6 févr. 2021 à 16:33, Pashkuli Keyboard a
> écrit :
>
> *** Unsatisfied criteria ***
> Criteria 8
> The notation possesses a fully
*** Unsatisfied criteria ***
Criteria 8
The notation possesses a fully proportional pitch coordinate, where each of
the twelve common pitches is spaced in a graphic manner, so that
progressively larger pitch intervals have progressively larger spacing on
the coordinate.
***
This I questioned
The staff system that LilyPond uses originally refers to the Pythagorean
tuning, which has two generators. A symphony orchestra uses adaptive Just
Intonation which requires an additional generator, but that is normally not
notated, but microtonalist do, one can use for example Helmholtz-Ellis
I never said anyone is wrong.
Also, let's keep in mind that the current "standard" notation system has
been here for almost a millenia now (although in a slightly different
shape, mainly for singing movements around 1017).
Music has been around long, long before that.
Saying an interval is a
Pashkuli Keyboard writes:
> Hi, Silvain
> All that was a good story but it does not relate to answer the necessity to
> designate scale steps (degrees) or notenames (in this case accidentals)
> with constant reference to major scale.
>
> I am sure that those African and Asian and Polynesian had
1·2·b3·4·5·b6·7 (is a harmonic minor scale referenced to natural major, not
even to the natural minor!)
or
0·2·3·5·7·8·11 (is the harmonic minor scale referenced to... itself
actually)
Hi, Silvain
All that was a good story but it does not relate to answer the necessity to
designate scale steps (degrees) or notenames (in this case accidentals)
with constant reference to major scale.
I am sure that those African and Asian and Polynesian had little (if any)
knowledge or use of
To all those who say chromatic scale would be simpler... I am not sure!
In response to Pashkuli Keyboard...
Scales are *not* /just formulas/ and “natural major” scale is not arbitrary. Moreover,
even if it is a characteristic of western music, this scale is not simply cultural.
Harmony rely
Scales are just formula. The problem is the unnecessary (though inevitable)
'reference' for all scales to a specific special case of one scale - the so
called "natural" major.
That is a problem, which is even worse when talking about specific notes.
Especially problematic when double flats or
Pashkuli Keyboard writes:
> Hi, David
> I am not interested in the 'mainstream' or in what 'everybody else is
> doing'.
> I am interested in *new* *Music notation* and *new* *keyboard instruments*
> (alternative and improvements of the piano: J. Trotter, T. Dreschke, P.
> Jankó, etc.).
> I know
Hi, David
I am not interested in the 'mainstream' or in what 'everybody else is
doing'.
I am interested in *new* *Music notation* and *new* *keyboard instruments*
(alternative and improvements of the piano: J. Trotter, T. Dreschke, P.
Jankó, etc.).
I know very little about accordions. Kravtsov
David Kastrup writes:
> There are other uniform chromatic systems, like the related 2-row based
> Jankó keyboard pianos, or the respective 6+6 or Bayreuther system for
> accordions.
It's "Beyreuther system", sorry for the typo (it's named after Johannes
Beyreuther rather than the town
Pashkuli Keyboard writes:
> Maybe 18th century to the... Western world. At least 2000 years for
> other places around the world.
Shape music? Hardly so. If you choose your own meanings for
well-established terms, communication does not happen.
> Exercising an instrument is just learning to
Maybe 18th century to the... Western world. At least 2000 years for other
places around the world.
Exercising an instrument is just learning to play. Chromatic is best
matched with chromatic.
Music is not only harmony "thirds" or natural major or minor.
Have you heard about Kravtsov accordions:
Pashkuli Keyboard writes:
> Indeed, that is why today people simply use MIDI-rolls to make music.
> Yes, it takes HUGE space if you have to write 12 notes for absolute pitch
> (vertical distance), especially if you have to print it out.
>
> Shape notes are older than the "standard" notation.
Indeed, that is why today people simply use MIDI-rolls to make music.
Yes, it takes HUGE space if you have to write 12 notes for absolute pitch
(vertical distance), especially if you have to print it out.
Shape notes are older than the "standard" notation.
You will have a hard time reading 3
On 2/4/21, 3:50 PM, "lilypond-user on behalf of Karlin High"
wrote:
On 2/4/2021 4:36 PM, ebenezer wrote:
> If someone came up with a notation system that enabled teenage girls to
> be able to sing a song just by simply looking at it, well, within a
> decade or 2 it's use
On 2/4/2021 4:36 PM, ebenezer wrote:
If someone came up with a notation system that enabled teenage girls to
be able to sing a song just by simply looking at it, well, within a
decade or 2 it's use would be global.
Where I live, that notation system is the Aiken shape notes seen here:
"I'm forming the opinion that conventional notation is like the QWERTY
keyboard layout."
Exactly.
IMO a new system doesn't even need to be better, just more appealing to
the masses. If someone came up with a notation system that enabled
teenage girls to be able to sing a song just by simply
Thanks, *Karlin* (my bad)
Hello, *Carl *and* Karlin*
Yes, I agree with your remarks regarding "spacing" of pitch, but let me
point out that the standard notation also eliminates at least 42% of this
by adding accidental symbols and 8va, 15ma amendments where needed.
The purpose of PMN is to
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On 2/4/2021 9:36 AM, Carl Sorensen wrote:
A second disadvantage of this notation,
I'm forming the opinion that conventional notation is like the QWERTY
keyboard layout. There are different ideas out there for improving it,
but it would need like a 10X improvement to build any momentum towards
On 2/4/2021 8:33 AM, Pashkuli Keyboard wrote:
If Lilypond devs can give some advices or instruction on how I can
modify the code to be able to get *PMN* in some early working pre-alpha
stage, that would be fantastic!
LilyPond has been customized before to produce alternative notation.
Paul
This could be done relatively easily with lilypond.
The different note heads for different steps in the chromatic scale is already
used, but will need some modification for you.
Changing the staff position from a note-based position to an ocatave-based
position is slightly more work, but
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