Re: change barline type with time signature change

2013-03-12 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Werner, why not simply omitting the three middle bar lines, putting rests into the empty space? This should give even more contrast. Not that I like this solution, but it would be creative :-) Creative? Yes. Shows off the awesomeness of Lilypond? Definitely. Ultimately the best choice?

Re: change barline type with time signature change

2013-03-11 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Jan-Peter (and anyone else still interested in this thread): In the end, the conductor of my chamber opera asked to have the bar lines solid for all measures, but 50% grey and slightly thicker than default as the baseline, and black and slightly thicker still for bar lines concurrent with a

Re: change barline type with time signature change

2013-03-11 Thread David Kastrup
Kieren MacMillan kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca writes: Hi Jan-Peter (and anyone else still interested in this thread): In the end, the conductor of my chamber opera asked to have the bar lines solid for all measures, but 50% grey and slightly thicker than default as the baseline, and black

Re: change barline type with time signature change

2013-03-11 Thread Janek Warchoł
Hi, On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 1:49 PM, Kieren MacMillan kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca wrote: Hi Jan-Peter (and anyone else still interested in this thread): In the end, the conductor of my chamber opera asked to have the bar lines solid for all measures, but 50% grey and slightly thicker than

Re: change barline type with time signature change

2013-03-11 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Janek, This reminds me of an idea i had: make stafflines under rests grey, to make it immediately obvious where an instrument is resting (see attached - obviously a bigger example would demonstrate this idea better, but i don' have one). How do you like it? I was considering trying the

Re: change barline type with time signature change

2013-03-11 Thread Werner LEMBERG
This reminds me of an idea i had: make stafflines under rests grey, to make it immediately obvious where an instrument is resting (see attached - obviously a bigger example would demonstrate this idea better, but i don' have one). How do you like it? Well, I don't like it. The contrast is

Re: change barline type with time signature change

2013-03-11 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Werner, The contrast is not strong enough if you are viewing the image from a greater distance. As it is, it looks irritating to my eye. Agreed — the lighter chosen here is insufficiently light. However, the concept is one I'm interested in exploring. Cheers, Kieren.

Re: change barline type with time signature change

2013-03-11 Thread Janek Warchoł
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 7:55 PM, Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org wrote: This reminds me of an idea i had: make stafflines under rests grey, to make it immediately obvious where an instrument is resting (see attached - obviously a bigger example would demonstrate this idea better, but i don' have

Re: change barline type with time signature change

2013-03-11 Thread Werner LEMBERG
The contrast is not strong enough if you are viewing the image from a greater distance. As it is, it looks irritating to my eye. Agreed ― the lighter chosen here is insufficiently light. However, the concept is one I'm interested in exploring. Mhmm. Your suggestion of handling only

Re: change barline type with time signature change

2013-02-27 Thread Jan-Peter Voigt
Hi Kieren, hi David K., applyContext is good for doing somethind conditionally anywhere in the music stream: cond = ##t mod = \with { \override NoteHead #'color = #red } \relative c' { c4 e g b \applyContext #(lambda (context) (if cond (ly:context-mod-apply! context mod))) c a f d c1 }

Re: change barline type with time signature change

2013-02-27 Thread David Kastrup
Jan-Peter Voigt jp.vo...@gmx.de writes: Hi Kieren, hi David K., applyContext is good for doing somethind conditionally anywhere in the music stream: cond = ##t mod = \with { \override NoteHead #'color = #red } \relative c' { c4 e g b \applyContext #(lambda (context) (if cond

Re: change barline type with time signature change

2013-02-27 Thread Jan-Peter Voigt
Am 27.02.2013 12:45, schrieb David Kastrup: Jan-Peter Voigt jp.vo...@gmx.de writes: Hi Kieren, hi David K., applyContext is good for doing somethind conditionally anywhere in the music stream: cond = ##t mod = \with { \override NoteHead #'color = #red } \relative c' { c4 e g b

Re: change barline type with time signature change

2013-02-26 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Jan-Peter, I got to thinking about this [awesome!] engraver you whipped up for me… and I realised that there are probably lots of places where someone might want an engraver that says when X then Y where X could be any boolean and Y is one or more context or property changes. How

Re: change barline type with time signature change

2013-02-26 Thread David Kastrup
Kieren MacMillan kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca writes: Hi Jan-Peter, I got to thinking about this [awesome!] engraver you whipped up for me… and I realised that there are probably lots of places where someone might want an engraver that says when X then Y where X could be any boolean

Re: change barline type with time signature change

2013-02-24 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Jan-Peter, I darkly remember a scheme engraver, that did something, whenever a time-sig-schange happens. IIRC it is based on snippet from you David. One might reduce it to the following: This does exactly what I need it to do! For the engraver itself — and also for the fact the conductor

change barline type with time signature change

2013-01-22 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hello all! I'm working in Lilypond v2.17.9, and the conductor of my chamber opera (being performed in April) wants the following stylesheet override: the default barline type should be dashed or dotted, but the barline should be solid (i.e., standard) at every time signature change. What's

Re: change barline type with time signature change

2013-01-22 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: Kieren MacMillan kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca To: Lilypond-User Mailing List lilypond-user@gnu.org Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 2:56 PM Subject: change barline type with time signature change Hello all! I'm working in Lilypond v2.17.9, and the conductor

Re: change barline type with time signature change

2013-01-22 Thread Werner LEMBERG
Suggest he does what I did in conducting class? Use a pen to mark the time signature changes... :-) Hehe, I want to suggest *exactly* the same. What a ridiculous request IMHO... Werner ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org

Re: change barline type with time signature change

2013-01-22 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Phil, Suggest he does what I did in conducting class? Use a pen to mark the time signature changes... :-) 1. The score already has the time signature changes in large print above the staff. 2. As a composer, I make it a policy not to make such suggestions to conductors who champion my

Re: change barline type with time signature change

2013-01-22 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Werner, I want to suggest *exactly* the same. What a ridiculous request IMHO… I thought it a bit ridiculous when he first suggested it, but the more I look at it (I fixed it manually in my draft score), the more I believe it may actually be superior to traditional engraving practice, from

Re: change barline type with time signature change

2013-01-22 Thread David Nalesnik
Hi Kieren, On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 8:56 AM, Kieren MacMillan kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca wrote: Hello all! I'm working in Lilypond v2.17.9, and the conductor of my chamber opera (being performed in April) wants the following stylesheet override: the default barline type should be dashed

Re: change barline type with time signature change

2013-01-22 Thread Werner LEMBERG
I thought it a bit ridiculous when he first suggested it, but the more I look at it (I fixed it manually in my draft score), the more I believe it may actually be superior to traditional engraving practice, from the standpoint of ease of reading (which, after all, is the primary reason for

Re: change barline type with time signature change

2013-01-22 Thread Noeck
Am 22.01.2013 15:56, schrieb Kieren MacMillan: Hello all! I'm working in Lilypond v2.17.9, and the conductor of my chamber opera (being performed in April) wants the following stylesheet override: the default barline type should be dashed or dotted, but the barline should be solid

Re: change barline type with time signature change

2013-01-22 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Werner, the larger the deviation from standard engraving practice, the more irritating it is to the casual reader (read: musicians who are constantly lacking enough rehearsals). There must be *very* good reasons to not follow the engraving tradition Agreed — for example, the modern (and

Re: change barline type with time signature change

2013-01-22 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Joram, a) Following the manuals: http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.16/Documentation/internals/barline this would do it for the default bar line in 2.17.9: \layout { \override Score.BarLine #'glyph-name = #! % dashed % \override Score.BarLine #'glyph-name = #; % or dotted } b) For the

Re: change barline type with time signature change

2013-01-22 Thread Noeck
That's what I'm hoping for: an automated solution. I will be following up on David N's suggestion, to see if I can modify his engraver to accomplish what I need. Thanks! Kieren. It is still not fully compatible with an unchanged \time command, but perhaps it helps nonetheless. The only

Re: change barline type with time signature change

2013-01-22 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Joram, It is still not fully compatible with an unchanged \time command, but perhaps it helps nonetheless. An excellent band-aid solution, which works very well for the time being. Thanks! Kieren. ___ lilypond-user mailing list

Re: change barline type with time signature change

2013-01-22 Thread Jim Long
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 04:04:42PM +0100, Werner LEMBERG wrote: Suggest he does what I did in conducting class? Use a pen to mark the time signature changes... :-) Hehe, I want to suggest *exactly* the same. What a ridiculous request IMHO... Phil actually had the elegant solution. I

Re: change barline type with time signature change

2013-01-22 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Thanks to all who gave helpful answers. To the others… well, whatever floats your jaded boats, I guess. =) Kieren. On 2013-Jan-22, at 19:36, Jim Long lilyp...@umpquanet.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 04:04:42PM +0100, Werner LEMBERG wrote: Suggest he does what I did in conducting

Re: change barline type with time signature change

2013-01-22 Thread Jan-Peter Voigt
Hi Kieren, hi David, I darkly remember a scheme engraver, that did something, whenever a time-sig-schange happens. IIRC it is based on snippet from you David. One might reduce it to the following: --snip-- % engraver #(define-public timesig-barline (lambda (context) (let