Subject: Re: lilypond manual intro

2012-09-10 Thread Peter Gentry
Having had my share of gripes re the manuals I am now a born again supporter - they are great (not perfect) but great. I recommend that you download all the relevant manuals as pdfs to a folder withing your Lilypond data file group and use the advanced search to check through all the manuals

Re: Subject: Re: lilypond manual intro

2012-09-10 Thread David Kastrup
Peter Gentry peter.gen...@sunscales.co.uk writes: Having had my share of gripes re the manuals I am now a born again supporter - they are great (not perfect) but great. I recommend that you download all the relevant manuals as pdfs to a folder withing your Lilypond data file group and use

Re: Subject: Re: lilypond manual intro

2012-09-10 Thread Trevor Daniels
Peter Gentry wrote Monday, September 10, 2012 9:28 AM Having had my share of gripes re the manuals I am now a born again supporter - they are great (not perfect) but great. Nice to be appreciated - thanks! The notation manual is particularly good - the learning manual is fine never seen

Re: Subject: Re: lilypond manual intro

2012-09-10 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: Trevor Daniels t.dani...@treda.co.uk To: Peter Gentry peter.gen...@sunscales.co.uk; lilypond-user@gnu.org Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 10:11 AM Subject: Re: Subject: Re: lilypond manual intro An octave mistake on a single note in polyphonic music

Re: lilypond manual intro

2012-09-10 Thread Jan Nieuwenhuizen
Karl Berry writes: These are not really bugs, all up for interpretation, so I thought I'd write here ... Thanks! I wanted to give a url about simple Lilypond input to the prototypical naive user (my mom, who is a musician but not a programmer). That's why we created a couple of entry urls

Re: lilypond manual intro (absolute v relative)

2012-09-10 Thread Peter Gentry
Well, I don't think the rest of us are abnormal. A few minutes practice for most normal people is all it takes ;) Trevor Ah but you are dealing with a brain that always gets the fence/fence post count wrong. It does not come easily even after repeated training - so maybe I'm the one that

Re: lilypond manual intro

2012-09-10 Thread Janek Warchoł
On Sun, Sep 9, 2012 at 4:34 PM, Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca wrote: On Sun, Sep 09, 2012 at 12:30:44AM +0200, Janek Warchoł wrote: On Sun, Sep 9, 2012 at 12:14 AM, Karl Berry k...@freefriends.org wrote: It is surely possible to make mod_rewrite not change the visible url, or

Re: lilypond manual intro (absolute v relative)

2012-09-10 Thread Janek Warchoł
On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 3:55 PM, Peter Gentry peter.gen...@sunscales.co.uk wrote: I don't see a need for a \absolute: the absence of a \relative does the trick - would anyone want to mix the two I wonder? for example when one piece of music is entered by several people, and they used different

Re: lilypond manual intro (absolute v relative)

2012-09-10 Thread David Kastrup
Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com writes: On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 3:55 PM, Peter Gentry peter.gen...@sunscales.co.uk wrote: I don't see a need for a \absolute: the absence of a \relative does the trick - would anyone want to mix the two I wonder? for example when one piece of music is

Re: lilypond manual intro

2012-09-09 Thread Graham Percival
On Sat, Sep 08, 2012 at 09:19:36PM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes: (I'd also like to have an \absolute keyword so that doc examples using it could be more explicit, but that would need to wait until we have a good way to discuss syntax changes)

Re: lilypond manual intro

2012-09-09 Thread Graham Percival
On Sun, Sep 09, 2012 at 12:30:44AM +0200, Janek Warchoł wrote: On Sun, Sep 9, 2012 at 12:14 AM, Karl Berry k...@freefriends.org wrote: Probably for the same reason I didn't: when we go to the web site and simply click the obvious links, the browser shows the version-dependent url. It

Re: lilypond manual intro

2012-09-09 Thread David Kastrup
Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes: On Sat, Sep 08, 2012 at 09:19:36PM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes: (I'd also like to have an \absolute keyword so that doc examples using it could be more explicit, but that would need to wait

Re: lilypond manual intro

2012-09-09 Thread Karl Berry
opens the door to dead links. That door is open no matter what, it seems to me. It's not just people clicking around your web site under your control that are affected. Another Texinfo manual might have an xref to one of your nodes. That will become a dead link. The best way I know to

lilypond manual intro

2012-09-08 Thread Karl Berry
These are not really bugs, all up for interpretation, so I thought I'd write here ... I wanted to give a url about simple Lilypond input to the prototypical naive user (my mom, who is a musician but not a programmer). I start at http://lilypond.org/website/manuals.html. It says: Text input:

Re: lilypond manual intro

2012-09-08 Thread Trevor Daniels
Karl Berry wrote Friday, September 07, 2012 11:45 PM I start at http://lilypond.org/website/manuals.html. It says: Text input: LilyPond is a text-based music engraver. Read this first! Ok, I go there (http://lilypond.org/website/text-input.html). And the example looks quite complex,

Re: lilypond manual intro

2012-09-08 Thread Graham Percival
On Sat, Sep 08, 2012 at 06:20:09PM +0100, Trevor Daniels wrote: Karl Berry wrote Friday, September 07, 2012 11:45 PM The first example there looks good (and is in fact what I sent her). But then the second example, instead of showing how to typeset other kinds of notation, goes into

Re: lilypond manual intro

2012-09-08 Thread David Kastrup
Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes: On Sat, Sep 08, 2012 at 06:20:09PM +0100, Trevor Daniels wrote: Karl Berry wrote Friday, September 07, 2012 11:45 PM The first example there looks good (and is in fact what I sent her). But then the second example, instead of showing how

Re: lilypond manual intro

2012-09-08 Thread Janek Warchoł
Hi Karl, On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 12:45 AM, Karl Berry k...@freefriends.org wrote: Ok, I go there (http://lilypond.org/website/text-input.html). And the example looks quite complex, what with numerous colors, arrows, etc., etc. Not what I want to show my mom. I'd make these examples simpler,

Re: lilypond manual intro

2012-09-08 Thread Karl Berry
than teaching absolute entry only to ditch it a few pages later. I wasn't thinking of a few pages. More like a couple more examples which do nothing more with pitches than the first one days (so not digging a deeper non-\relative hole), but rather show a few other completely basic things,

Re: lilypond manual intro

2012-09-08 Thread Janek Warchoł
On Sun, Sep 9, 2012 at 12:14 AM, Karl Berry k...@freefriends.org wrote: How come i didn't know about them?? Probably for the same reason I didn't: when we go to the web site and simply click the obvious links, the browser shows the version-dependent url. yup. It is surely possible to make