Graham Percival wrote:
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 10:11:41AM +0200, Bertalan Fodor (LilyPondTool) wrote:
I almost would suggest to put this crash course on the home page via a Flash
animation: 4 slides:
The only reason why flash deserves to exist is so that you can
play tower defense
Graham Percival wrote:
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 11:17:06AM +0200, Grammostola Rosea wrote:
I think I miss a tab 'support' or something with a quick link to
mailinglists/forums/IRC. Especially the mailinglist is a important
resource which should be easily found by newbies imo.
Mats Bengtsson wrote:
Graham Percival wrote:
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 11:17:06AM +0200, Grammostola Rosea wrote:
I think I miss a tab 'support' or something with a quick link to
mailinglists/forums/IRC. Especially the mailinglist is a important
resource which should be easily found by
2009/6/25 Mats Bengtsson mats.bengts...@ee.kth.se:
I cannot really recall having seen About as a main link on any other
product web page
(it's rather used in Help menus of different programs if you want to check
what version you
have installed). So, it's probably not so obvious for most
-user@gnu.org
Subject: Re: new website: initial comments
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 12:43:09AM +0200, Bertalan Fodor
(LilyPondTool) wrote:
I mean where could the Choose a LilyPond Editor to download
page go. Not the discussions about the editors, but the links
with screenshots to download
2009/6/24 Bertalan Fodor lilypondt...@organum.hu:
Ok. Though the crash course is too long. One would never read it to the
bottom.
I'd say it is *excellent*.
Mmmmaybe a question of taste.
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Dmytro O. Redchuk
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Yes it really is, I like it, honestly.
But it is inappropriate for the purpose of having a page to notify the
user about that LilyPond just compiles and does nothing more. For this
purpose I would only show:
- The compiling music section.
- The screenshot of a dev environment (preferably
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 08:32:40AM +0200, Bertalan Fodor wrote:
Ok. Though the crash course is too long. One would never read it
to the bottom.
I spent about 30 minutes trying to make it smaller -- I must admit
that I have a huge not invented here bias against
beginner-oriented documentation.
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 10:11:41AM +0200, Bertalan Fodor (LilyPondTool) wrote:
I almost would suggest to put this crash course on the home page via a Flash
animation: 4 slides:
The only reason why flash deserves to exist is so that you can
play tower defense games. Other than that, it should
It's always tricky finding a balance between appealing to users
and warning them about the text. I'm not going to claim that the
balance in the new website is perfect, but I think it's worth
trying. Let's try it for a few months; if we still have new users
sending bug reports about having no
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 10:53:14AM +0200, Bertalan Fodor (LilyPondTool) wrote:
It's always tricky finding a balance between appealing to users
and warning them about the text. I'm not going to claim that the
balance in the new website is perfect, but I think it's worth
trying. Let's try it
2009/6/24 Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca:
The only reason why flash deserves to exist is so that you can
play tower defense games. Other than that, it should die an
unmerciful death and never be mentioned in the same sentence as
web or home page. :)
Fortunately, there are now
I think I miss a tab 'support' or something with a quick link to
mailinglists/forums/IRC. Especially the mailinglist is a important
resource which should be easily found by newbies imo.
thanks for your work.
\r
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2009/6/23 Hans Aberg hab...@math.su.se:
The LilyPond logo
could get some more color.
Graham, without necessarily using a different image, you can simply
modify the color levels in the existing one; here's a slightly
better-looking version (IMO) that I've just made using the Gimp:
I don't think that even The Almight Google (tm) can distinguish
between a person ceasing to browse lilypond.org because they got
scared vs. ceasing to browse because their cat just brought in a
mouse. But I'm willing to be proven wrong; what does google
analytics tell you about our current
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 11:46:09AM +0200, Bertalan Fodor (LilyPondTool) wrote:
I don't think that even The Almight Google (tm) can distinguish
between a person ceasing to browse lilypond.org because they got
scared vs. ceasing to browse because their cat just brought in a
mouse. But I'm
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 11:19:17AM +0200, Valentin Villenave wrote:
2009/6/23 Hans Aberg hab...@math.su.se:
The LilyPond logo
could get some more color.
Graham, without necessarily using a different image, you can simply
modify the color levels in the existing one; here's a slightly
No, it's free, it is already enabled on the lilypond.org site. But to
view a report you must have the access rights. So that person who
enabled it on lilypond.org could give rights for others to view the report.
Graham Percival wrote:
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 11:46:09AM +0200, Bertalan Fodor
On 24 Jun 2009, at 11:19, Valentin Villenave wrote:
The LilyPond logo
could get some more color.
Graham, without necessarily using a different image, you can simply
modify the color levels in the existing one; here's a slightly
better-looking version (IMO) that I've just made using the Gimp:
On 24 Jun 2009, at 12:06, Patrick McCarty wrote:
Have you tried seeing if LilyPond is still readable on smaller
screen resolutions (800x600). That is, with the current design, the
word LilyPond will overlap the image, so the contrast has to be
sufficient.
This might require different
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 7:13 AM, Bertalan Fodor
(LilyPondTool)lilypondt...@organum.hu wrote:
I would be very interested if the owner of the report gave me rights to
have access to it. Google Analytics is cool.
I have given gper...@gmail.com access to this a long time ago. Go to
I *hate* sites that attempt to force a particular resolution. :/
I concur. I'm apt to simply delete html emails before reading them
if they require horizontal scrolling. I almost invariably navigate
away from sites that require this. If this is at all avoidable, it
should be prevented.
Graham Percival wrote:
Yes, and we've had an open request for help wanted: make a page
showing off different editors for the past 3 years...
Also some screenshots of them (like
https://sourceforge.net/dbimage.php?id=100536 and
I accidentally missed copying the 6, giving me a rather odd
On 24 Jun 2009, at 20:51, Patrick McCarty wrote:
Have you tried seeing if LilyPond is still readable on smaller
screen resolutions (800x600). That is, with the current design, the
word LilyPond will overlap the image, so the contrast has to be
sufficient.
This might require different
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 09:18:35PM +0200, Hans Aberg wrote:
On 24 Jun 2009, at 20:51, Patrick McCarty wrote:
Do you or anyone else have any specific ideas for a different location
of the water-lily logo?
I was thinking of a smaller image, not on a lower screen resolutions.
Low resolution
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 03:06:41AM -0700, Patrick McCarty wrote:
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 11:19:17AM +0200, Valentin Villenave wrote:
Graham, without necessarily using a different image, you can simply
modify the color levels in the existing one; here's a slightly
better-looking version
Hallo all,
Hans Graham wrote:
I was thinking of a smaller image, not on a lower screen resolutions.
Low resolution displays are quickly disappearing. On the Mac side,
the
smallest have about 1280x720 plus some (so that HDTV 720p will fit).
Free standing displays seems to be most price
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 10:22:24AM -0300, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote:
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 7:13 AM, Bertalan Fodor
(LilyPondTool)lilypondt...@organum.hu wrote:
I would be very interested if the owner of the report gave me rights to
have access to it. Google Analytics is cool.
I have given
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 1:58 PM, Ivo Bouwmansmuz...@ivo.bouwmans.name wrote:
Hallo all,
Hans Graham wrote:
I was thinking of a smaller image, not on a lower screen resolutions.
Low resolution displays are quickly disappearing. On the Mac side, the
smallest have about 1280x720 plus some (so
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 11:17:06AM +0200, Grammostola Rosea wrote:
I think I miss a tab 'support' or something with a quick link to
mailinglists/forums/IRC. Especially the mailinglist is a important
resource which should be easily found by newbies imo.
Hmm. I've having difficulty with
On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 09:15:35PM -0700, Graham Percival wrote:
Any comments or offers of help? At the moment, I'm looking for
overall design issues, like you should have a `blarg' section on
the main menu or I can't find the current documentation on this
new website.
The three colours you
Graham Percival wrote:
Here's a very rough initial draft of our new website:
http://percival-music.ca/blogfiles/out/lilypond-general_1.html
Any comments or offers of help? At the moment, I'm looking for
overall design issues, like you should have a `blarg' section on
the main menu or I can't
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 08:44:23AM +0100, Daniel Hulme wrote:
On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 09:15:35PM -0700, Graham Percival wrote:
Any comments or offers of help? At the moment, I'm looking for
overall design issues, like you should have a `blarg' section on
the main menu or I can't find the
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 10:11:31AM +0200, Federico Bruni wrote:
Graham Percival wrote:
Here's a very rough initial draft of our new website:
http://percival-music.ca/blogfiles/out/lilypond-general_1.html
Any comments or offers of help? At the moment, I'm looking for
overall design issues,
Patrick McCarty wrote:
IMO, the divs (from left to right) should be
Beginner -- Normal -- Advanced
Ok, so three columns.
I guess this is better
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On 23 Jun 2009, at 10:19, Patrick McCarty wrote:
The color scheme is in a state of flux, so these are definitely not
the final colors; my initial focus has been on the page layout.
Do you think the *major* color should be green, like in the
documentation design?
I think the yellow to intense
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 01:34:56AM -0700, Patrick McCarty wrote:
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 10:11:31AM +0200, Federico Bruni wrote:
Actually, I like the three-color sections in the main page: they help
highlighting what's relevant for each different user..
IMO, the divs (from left to right)
Nice new layout.
I have only two suggestions:
1. Perhaps justified text (without hyphenation?) would be better for
pages with large with paragraphs of text. I'm thinking of the
/Engraving Essay/. I think it's cleaner looking and fits better
with LilyPond's ethos of beautiful
On Jun 23, 2009, at 7:11 AM, David Stocker wrote:
2. On the documentation page, maybe it would be better to choose a
wording other than Normal Users for the second section of
documentation links. This might imply that Beginning Users are
somehow /abnormal/. Maybe Regular Users
Graham Percival wrote:
Any comments or offers of help?
Several times had we discussions on the list that the recommended
editors (namely JEdit/LilyPondTool and Frescobaldi) should have their
download links on the homepage. Also some screenshots of them (like
The page needs to be optimized for people that don't know what
lilypond is; for this reason, the current page has a the essay and the
'switch to lily' stories as the 2 main stories. Currently, someone
unfamiliar with the (new) site does not know where to start.
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 1:15 AM,
Graham Percival wrote:
Here's a very rough initial draft of our new website:
http://percival-music.ca/blogfiles/out/lilypond-general_1.html
The purple background as used on the documentation page has terrible
contrast/clash with the blue of unvisited links on Firefox on Linux
making it
Hallo Graham,
Here's a very rough initial draft of our new website:
http://percival-music.ca/blogfiles/out/lilypond-general_1.html
Any comments or offers of help?
The main structure is very clear: it's easy to find what is where. I
particularly like the division in the documents section,
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 08:41:00PM +0200, Ivo Bouwmans wrote:
On the Mac OS X page a ref is asking to be fixed. You could link to the
page that I maintain for Mac users
(www.ivo.bouwmans.name/lilypondleopard), which lists various ways to use
LP on Mac, and links to sites like that of
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 10:39:44AM -0700, Patrick Horgan wrote:
..docs-beginner {
float: left;
width: 48%;
border: 1pt solid black;
background-color: #99;
}
..docs-normal {
float: right;
width: 48%;
border: 1pt solid black;
background-color: #ccffee;
}
..docs-advanced {
On 23 Jun 2009, at 18:46, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote:
The page needs to be optimized for people that don't know what
lilypond is; for this reason, the current page has a the essay and the
'switch to lily' stories as the 2 main stories. Currently, someone
unfamiliar with the (new) site does not
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 08:11:05AM -0400, David Stocker wrote:
1. Perhaps justified text (without hyphenation?) would be better for
pages with large with paragraphs of text. I'm thinking of the
/Engraving Essay/. I think it's cleaner looking and fits better
with LilyPond's
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 2:49 PM, Graham
Percivalgra...@percival-music.ca wrote:
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 08:11:05AM -0400, David Stocker wrote:
1. Perhaps justified text (without hyphenation?) would be better for
pages with large with paragraphs of text. I'm thinking of the
Graham Percival wrote:
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 04:40:17PM +0200, Bertalan Fodor (LilyPondTool) wrote:
Several times had we discussions on the list that the recommended
editors (namely JEdit/LilyPondTool and Frescobaldi) should have their
download links on the homepage.
Yes, and
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 11:48:02PM +0200, Hans Aberg wrote:
On 23 Jun 2009, at 18:46, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote:
The page needs to be optimized for people that don't know what
lilypond is; for this reason, the current page has a the essay and the
'switch to lily' stories as the 2 main stories.
On Jun 23, 2009, at 8:52 AM, Tim McNamara wrote:
On Jun 23, 2009, at 7:11 AM, David Stocker wrote:
2. On the documentation page, maybe it would be better to choose a
wording other than Normal Users for the second section of
documentation links. This might imply that Beginning
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 08:52:08AM -0500, Tim McNamara wrote:
On Jun 23, 2009, at 7:11 AM, David Stocker wrote:
2. On the documentation page, maybe it would be better to choose a
wording other than Normal Users for the second section of
documentation links. This might imply that
Graham Percival wrote
although that said, even the apple webpage is getting awfully cluttered.
(and it requires horizontal scrolling in my browser! ok, this
*is* a netbook, but it still has 800 pixels. I *hate* sites that
attempt to force a particular resolution. :/ )
I concur. I'm apt
On Jun 23, 2009, at 6:55 PM, Graham Percival wrote:
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 08:52:08AM -0500, Tim McNamara wrote:
On Jun 23, 2009, at 7:11 AM, David Stocker wrote:
2. On the documentation page, maybe it would be better to choose a
wording other than Normal Users for the second
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 12:43:09AM +0200, Bertalan Fodor
(LilyPondTool) wrote:
I mean where could the Choose a LilyPond Editor to download
page go. Not the discussions about the editors, but the links
with screenshots to download the 2 mostly recommended
development environment.
I don't think
So will LM 1.2 be linked from the homepage?
Original message
From: Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca
Sent: 23 Jun 2009 21:29 -07:00
To: Bertalan Fodor (LilyPondTool) lilypondt...@organum.hu
Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org
Subject: Re: new website: initial comments
On Wed, Jun 24
-user@gnu.org
Subject: Re: new website: initial comments
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 12:43:09AM +0200, Bertalan Fodor
(LilyPondTool) wrote:
I mean where could the Choose a LilyPond Editor to download
page go. Not the discussions about the editors, but the links
with screenshots to download the 2
Here's a very rough initial draft of our new website:
http://percival-music.ca/blogfiles/out/lilypond-general_1.html
Any comments or offers of help? At the moment, I'm looking for
overall design issues, like you should have a `blarg' section on
the main menu or I can't find the current
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