Re: Constructive Criticism and a Question

2006-12-20 Thread Paul Scott
Werner LEMBERG wrote: (1) If you reduce this to a single keyword, then don't allow the bare argument 3: \times 3 looks like \times 3/1 to me; so of course, I'm a dodo, but I predict that Mats Erik several others would wind up spending a lot of time explaining what \times 7 (or \tuplet 7)

Re: Horizontal spacing

2006-12-20 Thread Mats Bengtsson
I'm not sure I understand. Do you want a layout where simultaneous notes in different staves don't necessarily have the same horizontal position? One trick you could do, is described in Scaling durations. For example, you can replace c4 d e f by c4*5/4 d4*3/4 e4 f /Mats Bertalan Fodor

Re: Constructive Criticism and a Question

2006-12-20 Thread Graham Percival
Paul Scott wrote: Werner LEMBERG wrote: Indeed, `\times 3' is problematic, but `\tuplet 3' sounds clear to me. Additionally, I suggest that `\tuplet 3' prints the `3' above the group, while `\tuplet 3:2' prints `3:2' (which some composers prefer). You *could* keep \times and *add* the keyword

Re: newbie questions

2006-12-20 Thread Mats Bengtsson
luis jure wrote: hello list, i'm new to lilypond and this is my first message to the list. first of all, a big thank you to all the developers and contributors for this great software. Welcome! ... now i have three questions regarding a short fragment i've written, i hope it's OK to

Re: Horizontal spacing

2006-12-20 Thread Bertalan Fodor
Yes, this is exactly what I need Thank you! Bert Mats Bengtsson írta: I'm not sure I understand. Do you want a layout where simultaneous notes in different staves don't necessarily have the same horizontal position? One trick you could do, is described in Scaling durations. For example, you

Re: Constructive Criticism and a Question

2006-12-20 Thread Mats Bengtsson
Please don't add redundant constructs, that will just cause the confusion. If we introduce \tuplet, then we should definitely remove \times, just as Graham said. Werner LEMBERG wrote: Indeed, `\times 3' is problematic, but `\tuplet 3' sounds clear to me. Additionally, I suggest that `\tuplet

Re: Constructive Criticism and a Question

2006-12-20 Thread Luise Marion Frenkel
On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (2) \times 2/3 and \tuplet 3:2 don't mean the same thing: \times 2/3 {c8 d e d e f} makes sense, but I don't think that \tuplet 3:2 {c8 d e d e f} does. The least messy option would be the status quo. The keyword \times is

Re: newbie questions

2006-12-20 Thread luis jure
thank you very much mats for your prompt and detailed answer! i'll try to upgrade soon to 2.10.3 (out yesterday!) and look at the examples you mention. Mats Bengtsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: It seems that all three of your problems would classify as bugs or at least as requests for

Re: Constructive Criticism and a Question

2006-12-20 Thread Paul Scott
Karl Hammar wrote: Werner: Erik: I think these changes sound scary, it is an additional hack in the parser machinery. ... I think it would be cleaner if \times could be changed to a proper music function, e.g. as \tuplet 2 3 {...} This would remove rules from the parser

Summary of \tuplet debate

2006-12-20 Thread Jonathan Henkelman
OK, I'm starting to have a hard time keeping all the pieces together. I'll try and summarize the discussion so far. There seems to be general consensus: - that having both \times and \tuplet is unnecessary and confusing. It should be one _or_ the other. - that \tuplet is clearer than \times

Work around for using the internal docs locally

2006-12-20 Thread Jonathan Henkelman
Does anyone have a work around for using the internal documentation on the local machine. I have downloaded the tarball, but the links are all broken (both on IE and Firefox) because they do not include filename suffixes. I'm going away over the break and would like to be able to reference them.

Re: Work around for using the internal docs locally

2006-12-20 Thread John Mandereau
Jonathan Henkelman wrote: Does anyone have a work around for using the internal documentation on the local machine. I have downloaded the tarball, but the links are all broken (both on IE and Firefox) because they do not include filename suffixes. I'm going away over the break and would

Re: Work around for using the internal docs locally

2006-12-20 Thread Jonathan Henkelman
John Mandereau john.mandereau at free.fr writes: I've just submitted a patch on lilypond-devel which should fix that. Until its commit and the next releases, you can browse the docs online, or try to the download the 2.10.1 docball, which should be OK:

After graces play nicely with proportional notation in 2.11.3

2006-12-20 Thread Trevor Bača
Hi, This is kind of an antibugreport or, perhaps, a cool feature report. 2.11.3 fixes things with afterGrace described in issue 176: http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=176can=1q= 2.11.3 supports, therefore, opposite-stem after graces interspersed between manually beamed notes

Re: Constructive Criticism and a Question

2006-12-20 Thread Frédéric Chiasson
« Although I like the idea of accepting both \tuplet 3:2 and \tuplet 2/3, I don't like the notion of having \tuplet and \times. I suppose we could keep \times as an old command and remove it from the manual to avoid confusion... but that seems silly. Either eliminate \times, or don't bother

RE: Constructive Criticism and a Question

2006-12-20 Thread Kress, Stephen
Ok. Based on what everyone has been saying and seeming to come to an agreement on, here's the details of the changes that we are proposing be made. 1. \times is replaced by \tuplet since tuplet makes more musical sense and convert-ly can easily be updated to make the change. Because of

Re: Constructive Criticism and a Question

2006-12-20 Thread Frédéric Chiasson
Good! Frédéric 2006/12/20, Kress, Stephen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Ok. Based on what everyone has been saying and seeming to come to an agreement on, here's the details of the changes that we are proposing be made. 1. \times is replaced by \tuplet since tuplet makes more musical sense and

Theme and variations on GraceSpacing 'spacing-increment

2006-12-20 Thread Trevor Bača
Hi, One more fun example with graces under 2.11.3. Proportional notation settings keep notes in place; GraceSpacing settings can move graces around. %%% BEGIN %%% \version 2.11.3 \layout { indent = #0 ragged-right = ##t } \paper { between-system-padding = #10 } \new Staff \with {

Re: Summary of \tuplet debate

2006-12-20 Thread Daniel Ballenger
On 12/20/06, Jonathan Henkelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, I'm starting to have a hard time keeping all the pieces together. I'll try and summarize the discussion so far. There seems to be general consensus: - that having both \times and \tuplet is unnecessary and confusing. It should be

Re: Tuplets (was Re: Constructive Criticism and a Question)

2006-12-20 Thread Tim Reeves
And I definitely don't want \times #'(2 . 3) This pseudo-Scheme syntax is very hard to understand for the beginner, especially the ' ! The least Scheme syntax necessary, the better! I agree! Tim Reeves___ lilypond-user mailing list

boxed extra rehersal mark

2006-12-20 Thread Neuro
Excuse me, I am almost newbie... I have a quick small question here: How do you mark a extra boxed rehersal mark such as A1 ? My script goes like this: \mark \default%% supposse this is boxed A \mark A1%% supposse this is A1, bu I prefer boxed A1 \mark A2%% supposse this

Re: boxed extra rehersal mark

2006-12-20 Thread Frédéric Chiasson
You can use : \set Score.markFormatter = #format-mark-box-letters to put boxes around letters Frédéric 2006/12/20, Neuro [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Excuse me, I am almost newbie... I have a quick small question here: How do you mark a extra boxed rehersal mark such as A1 ? My script goes like

Re: boxed extra rehersal mark

2006-12-20 Thread Neuro
Thank Frédéric veru much, ^_^ But, I did. \set Score.markFormatter = #format-mark-box-letters \mark \default%% so, this is boxed A \mark A1%% this is unboxed A1, bu I prefer boxed A1 \mark A2%% \mark A3%% \mark \default%% this is boxed B ..., so what next shall

Re: boxed extra rehersal mark

2006-12-20 Thread Cameron Horsburgh
On Wed, Dec 20, 2006 at 06:22:05PM -0800, Neuro wrote: Thank Frédéric veru much, ^_^ But, I did. \set Score.markFormatter = #format-mark-box-letters \mark \default%% so, this is boxed A \mark A1%% this is unboxed A1, bu I prefer boxed A1 \mark A2%% \mark A3

Re: boxed extra rehersal mark

2006-12-20 Thread Paul Scott
Neuro wrote: Thank Frédéric veru much, ^_^ But, I did. \set Score.markFormatter = #format-mark-box-letters \mark \default%% so, this is boxed A \mark A1%% this is unboxed A1, bu I prefer boxed A1 \mark A2%% \mark A3%% \mark \default%% this is boxed B ..., so

Re: boxed extra rehersal mark

2006-12-20 Thread Neuro
I believe that Score.markFormatter only works from \mark \default for the others you need: \mark \markup{ \box A1 } , etc. Paul Scott Yes ! ~ It works. ^_^ Thank you all very much :) Neuro [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ lilypond-user mailing list