Re: Cut time/half-time/alle breve & 8/4 time
David, Thank you. That is exactly what I was looking for. William, thank you for the helpful explanation of the somewhat archaic use of the cut time sign. And David, again thank you for your responses. -Stan > On Jan 11, 2024, at 9:20 PM, David Wright wrote: > > On Thu 11 Jan 2024 at 20:11:54 (-0600), Stanton Sanderson wrote: >> >> Thank you for the suggestion, but as stated previously, I’m trying to >> reproduce the original from the Peters edition. The problem, as you point >> out, is that the cut C is used in the original. Whether 8/4 or 4/2 (and I >> agree that 4/2 is the most reasonable time signature), I was looking for a >> way of declaring the cut C. >> >> The included photo is from the piece (# 67. Vater Unser in Himmelreich by >> Johann Kyieger, from _80 Choral Preludes_, Edition Peters, No. 4440, >> Copyright 1947). I think I purchased it some time around 1959. > > You can override the glyph, as attached. > > Cheers, > David. > <42.ly><42.pdf>
Re: Cut time/half-time/alle breve & 8/4 time
On Thu 11 Jan 2024 at 20:11:54 (-0600), Stanton Sanderson wrote:
>
> Thank you for the suggestion, but as stated previously, I’m trying to
> reproduce the original from the Peters edition. The problem, as you point
> out, is that the cut C is used in the original. Whether 8/4 or 4/2 (and I
> agree that 4/2 is the most reasonable time signature), I was looking for a
> way of declaring the cut C.
>
> The included photo is from the piece (# 67. Vater Unser in Himmelreich by
> Johann Kyieger, from _80 Choral Preludes_, Edition Peters, No. 4440,
> Copyright 1947). I think I purchased it some time around 1959.
You can override the glyph, as attached.
Cheers,
David.
\paper { #(set-paper-size "a6") }
mus = { \time 4/2 a'1 a'2 f' g' a' f' e' }
\new Score {
\new Staff {
\new Voice {
\once\override Staff.TimeSignature.stencil = #ly:text-interface::print
\once\override Staff.TimeSignature.text = \markup { \musicglyph "timesig.C22" }
\mus
}
}
}
42.pdf
Description: Adobe PDF document
RE: Cut time/half-time/alle breve & 8/4 time
Stanton, As far as I know (I use Lilypond 2.22.2) cut C is not available for 4/2. Mark -Original Message- From: Stanton Sanderson Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2024 6:12 PM To: Mark Stephen Mrotek Cc: LilyPond Users Subject: Re: Cut time/half-time/alle breve & 8/4 time Mark, Thank you for the suggestion, but as stated previously, I’m trying to reproduce the original from the Peters edition. The problem, as you point out, is that the cut C is used in the original. Whether 8/4 or 4/2 (and I agree that 4/2 is the most reasonable time signature), I was looking for a way of declaring the cut C. The included photo is from the piece (# 67. Vater Unser in Himmelreich by Johann Kyieger, from _80 Choral Preludes_, Edition Peters, No. 4440, Copyright 1947). I think I purchased it some time around 1959. Stan > On Jan 11, 2024, at 7:49 PM, Mark Stephen Mrotek wrote: > > Stanton, > > I think the piece is in 4/2. > Do you want a numeric time signature? > The cut C is used for 2/2. > > Mark > > From: lilypond-user-bounces+carsonmark=ca.rr@gnu.org > On Behalf Of Stanton > Sanderson > Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2024 3:15 PM > To: LilyPond Users > Cc: Stanton Sanderson > Subject: Cut time/half-time/alle breve & 8/4 time > > I’m setting various short organ pieces from an old Peters edition, mostly to > prevent my aging brain from forgetting… > > One piece is in 8/4 time -the first measure has a whole note and 2 half > notes. However, the time signature as printed is the cut time symbol. How can > I reproduce this? I’m using Lilypond 2.25.11. > >
Re: Cut time/half-time/alle breve & 8/4 time
Mark, Thank you for the suggestion, but as stated previously, I’m trying to reproduce the original from the Peters edition. The problem, as you point out, is that the cut C is used in the original. Whether 8/4 or 4/2 (and I agree that 4/2 is the most reasonable time signature), I was looking for a way of declaring the cut C. The included photo is from the piece (# 67. Vater Unser in Himmelreich by Johann Kyieger, from _80 Choral Preludes_, Edition Peters, No. 4440, Copyright 1947). I think I purchased it some time around 1959. Stan > On Jan 11, 2024, at 7:49 PM, Mark Stephen Mrotek wrote: > > Stanton, > > I think the piece is in 4/2. > Do you want a numeric time signature? > The cut C is used for 2/2. > > Mark > > From: lilypond-user-bounces+carsonmark=ca.rr@gnu.org > On Behalf Of Stanton > Sanderson > Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2024 3:15 PM > To: LilyPond Users > Cc: Stanton Sanderson > Subject: Cut time/half-time/alle breve & 8/4 time > > I’m setting various short organ pieces from an old Peters edition, mostly to > prevent my aging brain from forgetting… > > One piece is in 8/4 time -the first measure has a whole note and 2 half > notes. However, the time signature as printed is the cut time symbol. How can > I reproduce this? I’m using Lilypond 2.25.11. > >
RE: Cut time/half-time/alle breve & 8/4 time
Stanton, I think the piece is in 4/2. Do you want a numeric time signature? The cut C is used for 2/2. Mark From: lilypond-user-bounces+carsonmark=ca.rr@gnu.org On Behalf Of Stanton Sanderson Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2024 3:15 PM To: LilyPond Users Cc: Stanton Sanderson Subject: Cut time/half-time/alle breve & 8/4 time I’m setting various short organ pieces from an old Peters edition, mostly to prevent my aging brain from forgetting… One piece is in 8/4 time -the first measure has a whole note and 2 half notes. However, the time signature as printed is the cut time symbol. How can I reproduce this? I’m using Lilypond 2.25.11. image001.png Description: Binary data
Re: Transpose from major to minor key
On Thu, 11 Jan 2024, Wol wrote: > You need to remember lilypond thinks in terms of pitch, not note names. Unlike > some (most?) other music software. So "\transpose g e" says "transpose EVERY > note up A TONE". I'm not sure it's quite right to say that Lilypond thinks in terms of pitch, not note names, because it selects the spelling of transposed notes based on the note names. For instance, \transpose c cis fis gives fisis , not g , whereas \transpose b, c fis gives g. The one-semitone transposition of the same note is different depending on the note names used to specify it. -- Matthew Skala msk...@ansuz.sooke.bc.ca People before tribes. https://ansuz.sooke.bc.ca/
Cut time/half-time/alle breve & 8/4 time
I’m setting various short organ pieces from an old Peters edition, mostly to prevent my aging brain from forgetting… One piece is in 8/4 time -the first measure has a whole note and 2 half notes. However, the time signature as printed is the cut time symbol. How can I reproduce this? I’m using Lilypond 2.25.11.
Re: Transpose from major to minor key
On 10/01/2024 21:26, Butter Cream wrote: Hi, I have a piece of music written in the key of G major and I want the pitches to transpose to e minor. How do I do this. When I use the command \transpose g e it changes to E major (all g notes are sharped) You need to remember lilypond thinks in terms of pitch, not note names. Unlike some (most?) other music software. So "\transpose g e" says "transpose EVERY note up A TONE". As someone who plays a transposing instrument, this is very important to me - if my part gets transposed and others don't, the resulting piece of music is going to sound awful. I get the sort of transposition you want CAN be useful, and I'm glad it's available, but for my normal, I want transpose to behave the way it does. I work at score level in concert pitch, and then have to print off my parts transposed as appropriate. If transpose starts mucking about with modes, all of my parts are going to be a mess. Cheers, Wol
Re: Tempo marking doesn't avoid cross-staff slur
>> This issue belongs into the group of the many cross-staff problems. >> AFAICS, we don't have this particular case covered, so please file >> an issue in the LilyPond tracker. > > For reference, it's : https://gitlab.com/lilypond/lilypond/-/issues/6688 Thanks! Werner
Re: crescendo lines to thin
Do you have a minimum working example you can show us? https://lilypond.org/tiny-examples.html -- Knute Snortum On Thu, Jan 11, 2024 at 5:43 AM Bernhard Kleine wrote: > Dear all, happy new year! > > Ich have a separate dyn line for the dynamics, but the lines there are > to thin. How to change it? > > Bernhard > > >
Re: Tempo marking doesn't avoid cross-staff slur
On Thu, Jan 11, 2024 at 4:40 AM Werner LEMBERG wrote: > > > I found a weird behavior -- I don't know if it's worthy of an issue > > or not, but here it is: > > > > The tempo marking will not avoid a slur that goes from staff to > > staff. Here is a snippet that shows the problem, and I've attached > > an image of it: [...] > > This issue belongs into the group of the many cross-staff problems. > AFAICS, we don't have this particular case covered, so please file an > issue in the LilyPond tracker. > For reference, it's : https://gitlab.com/lilypond/lilypond/-/issues/6688 -- Knute Snortum
Re: crescendo lines to thin
On Thu, 11 Jan 2024 at 14:43, Bernhard Kleine wrote: > > Dear all, happy new year! > > Ich have a separate dyn line for the dynamics, but the lines there are > to thin. How to change it? Hello, \override Hairpin.thickness = #1.5 Adapt value according to your liking (default value is 1). Actually if you have a look at the Notation Reference manual, there are references to the Internals Reference manual at the end of each section for the layout objects covered in this section. That's the best way to find the property to modify in order to achieve what you are looking for. Kind regards, Xavier
Re: Tempo marking doesn't avoid cross-staff slur
> I found a weird behavior -- I don't know if it's worthy of an issue > or not, but here it is: > > The tempo marking will not avoid a slur that goes from staff to > staff. Here is a snippet that shows the problem, and I've attached > an image of it: [...] This issue belongs into the group of the many cross-staff problems. AFAICS, we don't have this particular case covered, so please file an issue in the LilyPond tracker. Werner
Re: Help need with the "implicitBassFigures" command
Perfect solution. I repeat it for future readers:
Context = \new FiguredBass
First time:
Set in context with:
\new FiguredBass \with { implicitBassFigures = #'(0) }
Or in score with:
\set FiguredBass.implicitBassFigures = #'(0)
Next time(s)
\set implicitBassFigures = #'(0)
Is enough,
And if context = Staff, change every FiguredBass to Staff
Thank you. Eef
Van: Michael Werner
Datum: donderdag, 11 januari 2024 om 12:15
Aan: Eef Weenink
CC: lilypond-user@gnu.org
Onderwerp: Re: Help need with the "implicitBassFigures" command
Hi there,
On Thu, Jan 11, 2024 at 5:49 AM Eef Weenink
mailto:h.e.ween...@de-erve.nl>> wrote:
\new FiguredBass \with { implicitBassFigures = #'(0) }
%{if I set the implicitBass to 5, or other number, it works for the whole
passage%}
\figuremode {
\set figuredBassAlterationDirection = #RIGHT
\set figuredBassPlusDirection = #RIGHT
\override BassFigureAlignment.stacking-dir = #DOWN
<6 5->8 <5 4->8
\extendOn
\set Staff.implicitBassFigures = #'(5)
%{if I set the implicitBass to 5, or other number, it DOES NOT do
anything%}
<5 3>4
\set Staff.implicitBassFigures = #'(0)
\extendOff <5 _+>8
<7>8 <6>8 <5>4
You had it almost right here. The one thing you need to change is that the
implicitBassFigures property is part of the FiguredBass context, not Staff.
Since there is no implicitBassFigures property in the Staff context that \set
command will just get silently ignored. So either change the
\set Staff.implicitBassFigures
to
\set FiguredBass.implicitBassFigures
or, since these statements are already in the FiguredBass context, just leave
the context off and make it just
\set implicitBassFigures
And then you should be good.
--
Michael
crescendo lines to thin
Dear all, happy new year! Ich have a separate dyn line for the dynamics, but the lines there are to thin. How to change it? Bernhard
Re: Help need with the "implicitBassFigures" command
On Thu, 2024-01-11 at 10:43 +, Eef Weenink wrote:
> Good day to all of you.
>
> I am working on a figured bass, and now it is needed to get an
> extended line under two notes, not showing the number:
> Afbeelding met lijn, Lettertype, ontvangst, tekst
>
> Automatisch gegenereerde beschrijving
> The line under the d and e have the meaning: Read as 5 and extend to
> next note.
> I made this using this command:
> \new FiguredBass \with { implicitBassFigures = #'(5) }
>
> But this surpresses ALL the “fives” in the fragment. It I set it to
> “0” or leave it out, I see this:
> Afbeelding met Lettertype, lijn, muziek
>
> Automatisch gegenereerde beschrijving
> Only the 5 at d and e should be surpressed. So I input these lines:
> <5 4->8
> \extendOn
> \set Staff.implicitBassFigures = #'(5)
> %{if I set the implicitBass to 5, or other number, it DOES NOT
> do anything%}
> <5 3>4
> \set Staff.implicitBassFigures = #'(0)
>
> Big puzzle now is how to get this to work. I read somewhere this
> would be caused by combination of implicitBassfigures and
> \bassFigureExtendersOn.
> However it is no option to leave \bassFigureExtendersOn out (I would
> not get the line I need).
>
> For testing, here is the example I used:
> %%---
> \version "2.24.3"
>
> extendOn = \bassFigureExtendersOn
> extendOff = \bassFigureExtendersOff
>
> \score {
> \new StaffGroup <<
> \new Staff = "violone" \with {
> instrumentName = \markup {
> \center-column { Violone, \line { e Cembalo. } }
> }
> }
> {
> \time 4/4
> \clef bass
> fis8 d8 e8 fis8 g8 g,4 g16 f
> }
>
> \new FiguredBass \with { implicitBassFigures = #'(0) }
> %{if I set the implicitBass to 5, or other number, it works for
> the whole passage%}
> \figuremode {
> \set figuredBassAlterationDirection = #RIGHT
> \set figuredBassPlusDirection = #RIGHT
> \override BassFigureAlignment.stacking-dir = #DOWN
> <6 5->8 <5 4->8
> \extendOn
> \set Staff.implicitBassFigures = #'(5)
> %{if I set the implicitBass to 5, or other number, it DOES NOT
> do anything%}
> <5 3>4
> \set Staff.implicitBassFigures = #'(0)
> \extendOff <5 _+>8
> <7>8 <6>8 <5>4
> }
> >>
> }
> %%
You don't have to use 5 as the implicit figure:
Try:
\version "2.24.3"
extendOn = \bassFigureExtendersOn
extendOff = \bassFigureExtendersOff
\score {
\new StaffGroup <<
\new Staff = "violone" \with {
instrumentName = \markup {
\center-column { Violone, \line { e Cembalo. } }
}
}
{
\time 4/4
\clef bass
fis8 d8 e8 fis8 g8 g,4 g16 f
}
\new FiguredBass \with { implicitBassFigures = #'(0) }
%{if I set the implicitBass to 5, or other number, it works for the
whole passage%}
\figuremode {
\set figuredBassAlterationDirection = #RIGHT
\set figuredBassPlusDirection = #RIGHT
\override BassFigureAlignment.stacking-dir = #DOWN
<6 5->8 <0 4->8
\extendOn
% \set Staff.implicitBassFigures = #'(5)
%{if I set the implicitBass to 5, or other number, it DOES NOT do
anything%}
<0 3>4
\set Staff.implicitBassFigures = #'(0)
\extendOff <5 _+>8
<7>8 <6>8 <5>4
}
>>
}
%%
Richard
Re: Help need with the "implicitBassFigures" command
Hi there,
On Thu, Jan 11, 2024 at 5:49 AM Eef Weenink wrote:
> \new FiguredBass \with { implicitBassFigures = #'(0) }
>
> %{if I set the implicitBass to 5, or other number, it works for the
> whole passage%}
>
> \figuremode {
>
> \set figuredBassAlterationDirection = #RIGHT
>
> \set figuredBassPlusDirection = #RIGHT
>
> \override BassFigureAlignment.stacking-dir = #DOWN
>
> <6 5->8 <5 4->8
>
> \extendOn
>
> \set Staff.implicitBassFigures = #'(5)
>
> %{if I set the implicitBass to 5, or other number, it DOES NOT do
> anything%}
>
> <5 3>4
>
> \set Staff.implicitBassFigures = #'(0)
>
> \extendOff <5 _+>8
>
> <7>8 <6>8 <5>4
>
You had it almost right here. The one thing you need to change is that
the implicitBassFigures property is part of the FiguredBass context, not
Staff. Since there is no implicitBassFigures property in the Staff context
that \set command will just get silently ignored. So either change the
\set Staff.implicitBassFigures
to
\set FiguredBass.implicitBassFigures
or, since these statements are already in the FiguredBass context, just
leave the context off and make it just
\set implicitBassFigures
And then you should be good.
--
Michael
Help need with the "implicitBassFigures" command
Good day to all of you.
I am working on a figured bass, and now it is needed to get an extended line
under two notes, not showing the number:
[Afbeelding met lijn, Lettertype, ontvangst, tekst Automatisch gegenereerde
beschrijving]
The line under the d and e have the meaning: Read as 5 and extend to next note.
I made this using this command:
\new FiguredBass \with { implicitBassFigures = #'(5) }
But this surpresses ALL the “fives” in the fragment. It I set it to “0” or
leave it out, I see this:
[Afbeelding met Lettertype, lijn, muziek Automatisch gegenereerde beschrijving]
Only the 5 at d and e should be surpressed. So I input these lines:
<5 4->8
\extendOn
\set Staff.implicitBassFigures = #'(5)
%{if I set the implicitBass to 5, or other number, it DOES NOT do
anything%}
<5 3>4
\set Staff.implicitBassFigures = #'(0)
Big puzzle now is how to get this to work. I read somewhere this would be
caused by combination of implicitBassfigures and \bassFigureExtendersOn.
However it is no option to leave \bassFigureExtendersOn out (I would not get
the line I need).
For testing, here is the example I used:
%%---
\version "2.24.3"
extendOn = \bassFigureExtendersOn
extendOff = \bassFigureExtendersOff
\score {
\new StaffGroup <<
\new Staff = "violone" \with {
instrumentName = \markup {
\center-column { Violone, \line { e Cembalo. } }
}
}
{
\time 4/4
\clef bass
fis8 d8 e8 fis8 g8 g,4 g16 f
}
\new FiguredBass \with { implicitBassFigures = #'(0) }
%{if I set the implicitBass to 5, or other number, it works for the whole
passage%}
\figuremode {
\set figuredBassAlterationDirection = #RIGHT
\set figuredBassPlusDirection = #RIGHT
\override BassFigureAlignment.stacking-dir = #DOWN
<6 5->8 <5 4->8
\extendOn
\set Staff.implicitBassFigures = #'(5)
%{if I set the implicitBass to 5, or other number, it DOES NOT do
anything%}
<5 3>4
\set Staff.implicitBassFigures = #'(0)
\extendOff <5 _+>8
<7>8 <6>8 <5>4
}
>>
}
%%
