Re: Lilypond
pagani laurent writes:
Can someone answer Laurent?
> Hi Jan,
>
> Sorry to disturb you (possibly I should have gone to some forum but
> this is so fundamental for me that if the answer is no, I won’t use
> Lilypond, so I don’t want to bother entering the forum if it is to
> leave it immediately).
>
> I am having a look at Lilypond and I have a very simple question :
> I wrote a very simple test score :
>
> \version "2.22.0"
> {
> c' e' g' e'1 2
> }
>
> and the compilation ran without error :
>
> Traitement de « /Users/laurent/Desktop/test.ly »
> Analyse...
> Interprétation en cours de la musique...
> Pré-traitement des éléments graphiques...
> Détermination du nombre optimal de pages...
> Répartition de la musique sur une page...
> Dessin des systèmes...
> Conversion à « test.pdf »...
> Compilation menée à son terme, avec succès.
>
> However, there is an obvious error : the e’1.
>
>
>
>
> Does this mean that Lilypond will not report such errors when writing
> a score ? That would be worrysome because that means that after having
> written tons of pages, one has to go through the final product to
> check for such errors and then locate them in the input file (I guess
> there is no such interface as with some Latex editor where the pdf and
> the latex are linked so that clicking on the pdf text, you are
> directed to the corresponding latex code) which might not be very
> obvious. If this is explained further in the manual, just tell me to
> read the manual completely but again I won’t embark in this long task
> if it is to give up at the end...
>
> Thanks
> Laurent
>
>
>
> It’s tough to make predictions- especially about the future.
> Yogi Berra
>
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Re: midi2ly
[sent to lilypond-user; please use the mailing list] > Hi, I'm trying to convert a midi file to a Lilypond string. From the > website > (https://lilypond.org/doc/v2.21/Documentation/usage/invoking-midi2ly) > I understand I'm supposed to use the following in cmd: > > midi2ly [option]… midi-file > but I get "not recognized." I can successfully use Lilypond from > cmd. I don't see a separate installer for midi2ly and see no > documentation indicating how to get passed this issue. > Any help you can provide is much appreciated. You can try: midi2ly --version to see if midi2ly has been installed correctly. If it is, possibly midi2ly cannot handle your midi file. Greetings, Janneke -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen | GNU LilyPond https://lilypond.org Freelance IT https://JoyOfSource.com | Avatar® https://AvatarAcademy.com
[Navigator] Bundesfachagentur Educa: Aufnahme LilyPond in den Navigator
Hi! Anyone interested in taking care of this? Greetings, Jannke --- Begin Message --- Sehr geehrte Herren Nienhuys und Nieuwenhuizen Um den verantwortlichen Personen in den Schweizer Schulen und Schulverwaltungen bei der Suche und Auswahl von digitalen Werkzeugen eine Orientierungshilfe zu bieten, erstellt die Fachagentur Educa in der Web-Applikation «Navigator» https://navi.educa.ch<https://navi.educa.ch/> eine kostenlose Übersicht mit aktuell verfügbaren Anwendungen. Weitere Informationen zum Navigator finden Sie hier: https://navi.educa.ch/info-anbieter Wir würden uns freuen, ebenfalls über LilyPond informieren zu dürfen. Hierfür benötigen wir das ausgefüllte Formular «Request for Information», https://www.educa.ch/sites/default/files/2020-12/RFI_educa.Navigator.pdf. Bitte beachten Sie, dass der Fragebogen bewusst weitläufig gefasst ist, damit wir möglichst viele Anwendungen für den Bildungsbereich erfassen können. Je nach Anwendung sind daher nicht alle Fragen relevant und/oder lassen sich einheitlich beantworten. Hauptbereiche (z.B. Schulverwaltung), die Ihre Anwendung nicht betreffen, werden später im Eintrag nicht sichtbar sein. Um Ihre Anwendung optimal präsentieren zu können, senden Sie uns bitte zusätzlich Bildmaterial in folgender Grösse/Auflösung: * Auflösung mind. 300 dpi * Format: .jpg * Bildgrössen bei 300dpi: 2155 x 1320 px (Screenshot Notebook), 800 x 1070 px (Screenshot Tablet), 900 x 1570 px (Screenshot Smartphone) Die Screenshots zeigen Anwendungsbeispiele auf den verfügbaren Geräten (Laptop, Tablet & Smartphone; sofern auf allen Gerätearten nutzbar). Die Anwendungsbeispiele müssen in einer der verfügbaren Sprachen sein und der Bildungskontext sollte ebenso gegeben sein. Über eine positive Rückmeldung Ihrerseits würden wir uns freuen. Freundliche Grüsse Martin Eric Ritz +41 31 300 55 09 martin.r...@educa.ch<mailto:martin.r...@educa.ch> Educa Digitaler Bildungsraum Schweiz | Fachagentur im Auftrag von Bund und Kantonen Espace numérique suisse de formation | Agence spécialisée mandatée par la Confédération et les cantons Swiss digital education space | Specialised agency commissioned by the Confederation and the cantons Erlachstrasse 21, CH-3012 Bern educa.ch Diese E-Mail könnte vertrauliche und/oder rechtlich geschützte Informationen enthalten. Diese Informationen sind ausschliesslich für die bezeichnete/-n Person/-en oder Einrichtung/-en bestimmt. Sollten Sie nicht der für diese E-Mail bestimmte Adressat sein, ist Ihnen jede Veröffentlichung, Vervielfältigung oder Weitergabe untersagt. Haben Sie diese E-Mail irrtümlich erhalten, bitte ich Sie, mich darüber in Kenntnis zu setzen, die E-Mail zurückzusenden und Ihr Exemplar zu vernichten. --- End Message --- -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.com
Re: IRC freenode issue
David Kastrup writes: > I thought that freenode changing to SSL-traffic only was supposed to > deal with the Spam problem? Or was that ineffective? I have no idea. All I know is that #lilypond still received lots of spam. Hopefully freenode fixes this so we can re-allow unregistered users to post. janneke -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.com ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
IRC freenode issue
As per https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/guix-devel/2018-08/msg7.html I set /mode +q $~a on #lilypond. This means that non-registered nicks can join but not post. That's not great...hoping for a better solution. Greetings, janneke -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.com ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Question: Cross compilation
Chris Yate writes: > At a brief look over GUB, the really big question in my mind is why on > earth it seems to want to build *everything*. That's mostly fault. > A Lilypond build tool for all platforms = a great idea. Thanks. I developed GUB together with Han-Wen and it was our 4th iteration of a cross-build system written for LilyPond. > A Lilypond build tool for all platforms to which someone's added half > a dozen extra unrelated targets (possibly very large ones such as > OpenOffice) = a terrible idea. Thanks! GUB was the first to be so generic that it could be used for other projects as well, with almost no cost. I hoped for GUB to be adopted by other projects, so that we would share maintenance and development effort on it. It is (or was?) actively used by GNU Denemo, so that's where the GTK+ stuff comes from and at the time I worked on go-oo (the predecessor to LibreOffice) so I hooked that in too. The idea was: once such a project uses this, others will join. Apparently, I did not succeed in bringing easy cross builds to other projects and with as a consequence I also failed in sharing maintenance load. So, please remove any OpenOffice references and depnedencies (git will remember anyway). You may want to check with the GNU Denemo team before removing their dependencies. > If I did anything to "fix" it, it would be to strip it right back to a > tool that does _one_ job well. And I don't know whether that's likely > to be popular thing (although correct me if I'm wrong there)... I think GUB is beyond fixing, simply because it's community is too small. > ... because IMHO a build tool that takes 24+ hours to rebuild after > making tweaks to it --and that's on a high spec machine-- is not a > very useful tool. There are reasons for this. GUB's aim was to find the sweet spot between complete OS independency/separation (fedora/debian/whatnot) and reproducibility. It fails at both of these requirements, but I maintain that it was a fair effort. If you want to be OS-independent and reliable, you'll have to build your own toolchain. I am currently working on Guix/GuixSD and have implemented a MinGW cross build facility that can cross build Guile which has been reviewed and will be merged soon. I have patches that will cross build LilyPond and all its dependencies, some of those need cleanups and they need to be reviewed. Using Guix as a LilyPond build system presents a whole new set of problems/questions, but it would solve the biggest problems with GUB. It has an active community, so effort is shared. It is very well documented and a whole lot more mature, better designed. It has /full/ OS separation; produces bit-reproducible binaries. And it has a system of using binary substitutes: cross builds do not need to take longer than other builds. Greetings, Jan -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen <jann...@gnu.org> | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: http://lilypond.org hs
Federico Bruni writes: $ nslookup lilypond.org Server: 8.8.8.8 Address: 8.8.8.8#53 ** server can't find lilypond.org: SERVFAIL Sorry about this, it should be up again RSN. Greetings, Jan -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
paper-piano-roll-2ly
Hi, Have you seen this? http://zulko.github.io/blog/2014/02/12/transcribing-piano-rolls/ Greetings, Jan -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: LilyPond-Book on Windows
David Kastrup writes: So my first impulse would be to throw out the workaround for 2.4.2 that Let's do that. Jan -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Ped.M glyph in Emmentaler
Trevor Daniels writes: Daniel, you wrote Wednesday, April 02, 2014 11:38 AM texidoc = The standard piano pedals style comes with Ped symbols. The pedal string can be also tuned, for example, to a shorter tilde/P variant at the end of the melody. That says it all. P -P is used in tight scores as a shorter variant of Ped *. I was the one who added the Ped symbols, so I should know, and yes these are all found in published music ;-) Greetings, Jan -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Oskar Fried: the Big Bang
Urs Liska writes: Our edition of Oskar Fried's songs was elected BEST EDITION 2014 by the German Music Publishers' Association, and we'll receive the award at the Frankfurt Musikmesse on Friday! Congratulations! This is a beautiful accomplishment. I am very pleased to see that you have a detailed overview of what manual work needed to be done to achieve this kind of quality. I hope some of that knowlegde can be integrated into LilyPond. If we get a better grasp of what it would take to improve slurs and ties for example, what categories of mistakes the slur engine makes, etc. Greetings, Jan -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Fwd: Primus and LilyPond? [Dutch] Foto Korenhof | Menno Korenhof] vraag mbt lilypond
i...@fotokorenhof.nl writes: Beste Jan, Ben voor een [ex] Windows gebruiker heftig op zoek om haar PriMus muzieknotatie programma te vervangen op de nu draaiende Ubuntu machine. Omdat zij in haar zangkoor veel leden heeft die met PriMus [Windows] werken dient de muziek die voor hen wordt aangeboden ook te draaien op haar Ubuntu computer. Moet dus compatibel zijn met beide systemen Lilypond - PriMus. Graag uw reactie en wellicht een tip of oplossing. Alvast mijn dank! -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: MuseScore Front End
Federico Bruni writes: Some weeks ago it's been reported here a tweet saying that MuseScore developers will drop the lilypond export and focus on musicxml export. Yes, I had a chat about that with Thomas Bonte. LilyPond export was in dire need of some love and the best thing to do with code that needs a lot of love and does not get it, is to throw it out. Jan -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
on marketing
FYI, found on the dreaded facebook Beethoven's 104 Piano Sonatas available in MuseScore thanks to Classicman! http://musescore.com/user/19710/sets/54311 Greetings, Jan -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: on marketing
Richard Shann writes: On Sat, 2013-12-07 at 18:11 +0100, Joseph Rushton Wakeling wrote: On 07/12/13 18:07, Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote: Beethoven's 104 Piano Sonatas That would be 32 :-) But 104 separate movements in total ... Is that because MuseScore cannot handle scores with several movements, I wonder. Contrast that with a LilyPond score with multiple movements, appendices, table of contents ... I generated a few scores with all that via Denemo a while back. But still people carry on using MuseScore. See title. Jan -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Lilypond Website Work
Federico Bruni writes: 2013/12/6 Phil Burfitt phil.burf...@talktalk.net Carl, you might also like to keep in mind Lilypond's search rankings while you redesign. This is really bad, I never checked it. 1. improve SEO I guess I'm glad someone notices and seems to care http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2009-11/msg00258.html at last... Greetings, Jan -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Schikkers List
Dynamics. c578287 Web: set toolbar button state to match cursor. 64d70d3 Thinko: reset tweaks upon clone. 799b66f music: Base relative at f'. Fixes ly-octave surprises. Thanks Alea! 4576111 Web: rename /music-canvas to /score and add extensions on downloads. Thanks Björk! e4ad9d0 Web: allow inaccurate (wide) dragging when changing pitch. ee7e7b7 Usability: only tweak with CTRL, otherwise drag to change pitch. Thanks Alea! 702afd5 Crash fixes. Thanks Alea Björk! 7a7f438 Web: more dump and inspect features. d7ceb5e Web: don't dump alive checks and use dump-dq.js name. fd7e5ab Web: /inspect.html: new page. aa65e51 Add user alive. 8b7a329 Web: restart web server upon USR1. Allows refreshing without app loss. 66bd74d Animate elevator. 12f8417 Add google analytics. c414f64 Add call for feedback and donate. 6b7cebe Add twitter feedback option to web. a7d6ee3 Web: make rests draggable, add extra-offset to articulations and fingering. c6e3f90 Web: add notehead tweak extra-offset by dragging. e9ad75f Add missing tie.ly. f583670 Put a link up to the lilypond.org demo server. 9b31508 Thinko. Fixes demo account removal. 36d5817 Thinko. Fixes user=demo usage from lilypond.org ca6053a Add app timeout and multiple demo accounts. 61cb5d4 Oops. Comment-out debug code. Fixes access. 74d7f84 Web: default to ?user=demo. Add users demo, demo-1..9. 69904d6 Add edit-cut button and action. Fixes mousibility. 2387d2a misc(get-host-name): cleanup, only catch host-not-found. 4f04fa7 Avoid gethostbyaddr. Fixes slooow access from vodafone network. 231c848 Safe get-host-name. Fixes mobile test access. 272b20f Web: add single test user for giving short demos. ef74b78 Web: disable experimental editor parse/text entry unless using debug=. I think it would be a big improvement already if URL:http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=2578 was implemented. And probably a starting point anyway. That's a nice idea; let me think about that. Possibly Schikkers List could be made into as a batch backend and typeset the svg and text in HTML5 to deliver this. Can we do away with choosing the tuning, isn't there a common tuning for guitar that 90% of guitars use? Can we do away with the command line, isn't there a common desktop environment that 90% of computer users use? What I meant was: what is required for the a minimal first useful user experience. Would a hardcoded tuning do, so that we can implement a tuning choosing mechanism later? Tuning is not necessarily per guitar but rather per piece. OK. It is quite common to have pieces in lute tuning (one string a semitone off, don't remember which one right now) and also to turn the lowest string one note down occasionally. So I take it that my guess that 90% of all guitar pieces have standard tuning was too optimistic? Jan -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Schikkers List
Federico Bruni writes: I'm not a coder, so nothing. I was just thinking that I may test it better if I could run it on my computer. Okay...thanks for the offer! I'll think about it. Because development is so slow the code is only available to the actual developers for now. I see that the demo doesn't work always: for example, now I refreshed the page and the canvas is empty (no staff). Oh, that's bad. It's up again... Sure, but the thing is: why showing the text input if you cannot modify it? Why enable editing the text input as long as it's next to useless because it's slow and buggy? Your request is noted, though. It's a nice idea if the purpose of the application is teaching lilypond syntax by interacting with a GUI. That's one of the main purposes, to help people make jump the hurdle of text input. I predict that some people who would never consider using text input, may still start to use it once they experience that all their clumsy mousings can be described so short and simple in text. Actually, it's a great idea: I would add a link in the website introduction once you feel that it's stable enough. Thanks. I was thinking of active panes in the tutorial. What if you could edit all these snippets: http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.16/Documentation/learning/simple-notation OTOH if you want to create a GUI application, I'd remove the text input (at least, until you implement the two-way edit). There are many GUI applications that have this feature: only editable by mouse already. I don't think that brings anything new and interesting to this world. I have a feature request that it may make this app special: note entry using a tablature instead of a staff. You choose the tuning and then enter numbers on each string, then the number should be turned into the right pitch. I guess this is not easy to implement. But it may attract users of Tuxguitar, Guitarpro and similar. I'm not a guitar player/tab staff reader, so I don't really get the idea of what this should look like. How/why would you enter numbers rather than click on the Tab staff? Can we do away with choosing the tuning, isn't there a common tuning for guitar that 90% of guitars use? If someone would want to have a go with implementing this, I'd be glad to talk with them. How can I make an horizontal selection? Push down mouse-1, drag to the left or right. I think that yesterday somehow I managed to select more than a note, using Alt or Ctrl; but then slur didn't work. Today the demo is not working, so I'm stuck... Did I say that I'd like to install it on my PC? :-) :-) You can always ask, I'll think about it. Jan -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Schikkers List
Noeck writes: how do you generate the visual output? Using LilyPond. Does this scale to larger scores? It depends. Larger score support will need a lot of work. The first thing is to get this project really started. Is there a possibility to compile line by line to get smaller changes quicker? Yes, that was the main reason for me to create the prototypes of Schikkers List that were released three years ago. Greetings, Jan -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Schikkers List
Mark Knoop writes: There seems to be a bug - see attached screenshot. Key signatures are inserted always as if in treble clef rather than appropriate to the selected clef. Thanks! Greetings, Jan -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Schikkers List
Federico Bruni writes:
So no download on the website (it's not working, as already reported), no
source code anywhere.
Unfortunately we can test the demo only
Why is that unfortunate? The demo is really all there is, currently.
What would you do with the code?
I did a quick test. Funny, I felt like working on a reversed
Frescobaldi: input in the GUI, output text. :-)
:-)
It looks nice but it doesn't seem a reliable tool as online editor. For
example, I've just lost the short example I typed few minutes ago.
It's really meant as a demo currently, not as a reliable tool. The only
thing saved a couple of minutes before this message, was
\relative { c' c'' e,,( f f) f g a' b,, f' d' \bar |. }
I'd be curious to install it on my computer.
AFAICS, the edits can be made only in the GUI. Text input cannot be
modified.
That's right, that's not yet possible. My first priority is to find
a useful application for what is now this demo, code what's missing
and provide it. This `feature request' is anticipated and it would
be nice to see how many people actually want this feature. If you
really need it, the answer is: switch to Frescobaldi ;-)
Also, the input code would be cleaner if it broke the line
at the end of each bar (possibly adding a bar check?).
Agreed.
The tie button works fine, while the slur button doesn't.
Both buttons should be disabled when no slur or tie is possible.
The slur button is enabled when you make a horizontal selection.
Keep it up and keep us informed about the progress!
I will. Thanks for looking at it.
Greetings, Jan
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Re: Schikkers List
Noeck writes: http://lilypond.org/schikkers This looks really cool! (Has it improved a lot or is the html5 demo new, compared to last year? The last time I looked, it didn't work for me) Thanks. I found some time this spring and it improved a lot. I haven't had any time to work on it since summer. Does it work for you now? I think this is what we need - at least for beginners. That was what I'm aiming at. I was hoping to have something like this on the lilypond.org home page, and possibly have `active' snippets in the tutorial. To make this into a full fledged gui will take some more time. A gnome-gui is anounced but I can't find it. In the download folder every sub-folder is again the download folder. Are there linux executables or a deb package? Or do I have to compile it? The gnome gui currently doesn't bring you anything more than the html gui. I haven't shipped binaries, you'll have to compile it yourself -- and that's quite some work. Greetings, Jan -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Schikkers List
Federico Bruni writes: It was hosted on github years ago, but now I see that last update is 3 years ago. Yes. The demo is not working on Chromium 31.0.1650.57 It was down. Please try again? Jan -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Supporting my work on LilyPond financially
Kieren MacMillan writes: The situation is not really all that unfavorable for LilyPond. Having been “in the trenches” perhaps more than most others on this list, I can tell you the situation *is* really all that unfavorable for Lilypond. In my opinion, there are only two things that will ever change this: 1. A real, live, useable, full-functioned GUI This is *exactly* why I've been playing/experimenting with GUI backends/frontends since 2004. If you haven't done so, please have a look at Schikkers List http://lilypond.org/schikkers and come help me out! If only to lure people over to LilyPond, increase its potential user base. (so that users *never* have to see Lilypond “code”); or and this is what I don't understand. My idea is exactly the opposite: to show people the corresponding text input also, so that they have a very easy way to learn it and may at their convenience choose to change their primary focus of input to text input or GUI, depending on the situation at hand. I hear this as the biggest complaint against GUI based text processors, many people still long for the days of Word Perfect with it's underwater screen. However, show them LaTeX (or even Lyx) and they run. As I said, I have ideas but do not quite understand how people choose to use computers. Jan. -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Discussion: automatic engraving and single-source publishing
David Kastrup writes: Sure. For that reason, I consider much of the time spent on tweaking and tweaking tools a waste of lifetime better spent on trying to get the automatisms right. Of course, that option is harder and requires different resources. But it only needs to be done once. Yes, although doing manual tweaks once or twice gives you a good feel for how much work it is, how necessary the tweaks are for publication, what the new automations should produce and what priorities you would pick for automating these tweaks. We used to have an experimental `tweak editor' that would store tweaks a in a separate tweaks file. In some way it would be a nice intermediate to put all manual tweaks in a separate file and merge them with the actual source. It would be good to experiment more with that. Jan. -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: And now for something completely different.
David Kastrup writes: No, the PostScript is still fine. But when you ask Ghostscript to convert it to anything else, it has its own idea what to convert. Nice. How did you come by this one? Greetings, Jan -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: LilyPond score publication
Urs Liska writes: Hi Urs, I hope you'll not consider this post as spam, but as I'll tell you later I think it _does_ have some general relevance to LilyPond ;-) I would like to hear about professional productions like these; I also posted about Liedboek. As an expression of gratitude for the generous help we have always received from this list we offer copies of the new edition at cost price for subscribers of the lilypond-user list. That's a nice idea; I missed the initial offer. If I'd have to make an estimate I'd say it will be around 10 Euro for the softcover and 20 for the hardcover version (but particularly the hardcover price is due to changes in response to the number of copies). Please one hardcover for me. Greetings, Jan -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: lilypond slowdown in CGI web program
Jim Tisdall writes: When I call lilypond to compile a score by means of a web page that is using CGI, lilypond takes about 25 seconds to *successfully* complete. From the commandline, same files and flags, under a second; from a similar but non-web program, under a second. Are you certain that it's lilypond that takes so long? Have you replaced lilypond with a script that does something like #! /bin/bash date /tmp/lily.log time ./lilypond.bin $@ /tmp/lily.log 21 # time echo NOT: ./lilypond.bin $@ /tmp/lily.log 21 date /tmp/lily.log comment in/out the run lilypond/echo lilypond commands and play with that? Also, what are you building? I take it that you have seen http://weblily.net http://lilybin.com http://lilypond.org/schikkers and https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Score https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:Sandbox Greetings, Jan -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Windows registry, Python, and LilyPond
Frederick Bartlett writes: I think what I'm looking for is a Windows installation whereby LilyPond's python scripts are run by its own python.exe, while all other python scripts are run by the system's python. This is likely not possible under Windows. *sigh* What if all our python scripts were named .pylily (or .pyly whatever) and bind .pylily to LilyPond's python. Wouldn't that work? However, I think we should strive to have python-version-independent python scripts, that should be doable too. See the TODO in GUB and the actual code for a list of tricks needed to support python2+3. https://github.com/janneke/gub/blob/master/TODO Greetings, Jan -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: can I set panning in midi
David Kastrup writes: k...@aspodata.se (Karl Hammar) writes: Karl Hammar: David Kastrup: k...@aspodata.se (Karl Hammar) writes: Soo, how far off from reality am I? You should probably check with the available documentation for our Midi code. Last time I checked, the available documentation was called Jan and lived in the Netherlands. Hah. It seems that you're doing something not unlike setting the staff's instrument name, eg. Maybe you can learn from that. How does the Audio_pan get into the staff, where are you announcing the Audio_pan element? Greetings, Jan -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: [Schikkers-List]: demo feedback
Paul Morris writes: Nice progress on Schikkers list! It seems like it is coming along well. Thank you! Now all I need is more hackers and users/people giving feedback, like you :-) One thing that is counter-intuitive (maybe you're already aware of this), is that selecting a different note duration from the palette changes the currently selected note. My expectation was that it would only apply to newly entered notes, and that to change an already-entered note to a new duration, I would have to click on it again. That's an interesting suggestion! This does make sense, I'll have to think about this; even better, we could experiment. The current behaviour kind of matches the keyboard entry. If you start from a fresh document and with focus in the GUI type spaceb8 then the first space: produces a copy of the first c4 b: changes that second c4 to a b4 8: changes that b4 to an b8 etc If instead of typing the last `8' you would click the duration button of 8, wouldn't you expect it to change immediately? Possibly this keyboard entry method is also clumsy and we may want to get rid of it altogether. Currently, I have disabled text entry in the text area, but I'm working on a ly parser there. Also, I prefer having the LilyPond text box below the staff instead of side-by-side, since that would provide more horizontal space for viewing the staff. Ok. That makes sense. Have you noticed that you can make the ly-text view narrower and notation view wider, by dragging the middle dividing line to the right? Currently, there is only this sort of piano-roll-eske view, but I'm working on full page views. That seems to work better with the text on the right. Possibly we could swap right or below depending on the view. What do you think? I noticed an audio bug where a note would repeatedly play for some reason. (using Chrome 27) Can you provide me with a `recipe' of how I can reproduce it? Ok, those are just a few thoughts for your consideration. Great work so far! Thanks very much for the feedback! Greetings, Jan -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Steinberg's progress report on new notation software
SoundsFromSound writes: I'm surprised that no one else in those comments responded to any of the LilyPond mentions. Yes, it could be very interesting to know why comments about Lilypond are ignored. The blog did inspire me a little bit, we could add two new glyphs to the feta font that have the opposite meaning of these http://blog.steinberg.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/do-not-copy-1024x489.png sharing and copying is good and encouraged! And then blog about it? Greetings, Jan -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Steinberg's progress report on new notation software
Urs Liska writes: And I think that adding text input as an option (if it is thoroughly thought through) would be a great step forward for the resulting program. Aren't they talking about keyboard entry, instead of text input? Text input is about the storage format. Most wordprocessors have keyboard entry, yet compare a the opaque .doc [or even .docx] with latex. There's no way to read, manipulate, work with those. Jan -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: LilyPond meeting in Waltrop, Germany, 2013-08-16 to 2013-08-20
Marc Hohl writes: I am sorry to say that I am in Great Britain during the LilyPond meeting this year, so I won't be able to join :-( Do you have any opportunity to join in on irc? Jan -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Anyone using a tablet for lily?
Eduardo Silva writes: What I would be interested in is a WYSIWYG editor that would be able to take down notes and output a basic ly file, perhaps to Dropbox. Have a look at http://lilypond.org/schikkers Greetings Jan -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: [OT] Scores of Beauty announcement mailing list
Urs Liska writes: Hi Urs, As having a sponsored @lists.sf.net mailing list looked inappropriate anyway we decided to implement our own custom plugin to send out emails whenever a new post is published. That's nice; it would be even nicer if you added some of the standard List headers (esp. List-Post), now we all need to add a custom rule to our .procmailrc. http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2369.txt Greetings, Jan -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Changing fingering numerals
Janek Warchoł writes: More explanation: \finger doesn't mean insert a fingering here. Rather, it means use that funny time-signature-like font-MODELED-AFTER-ORATOR-WHICH-TRADITIONALLY-IS-ALSO-USED-IN-SMALL-SIZE-FOR-FINGERING for these glyphs. There, FTFY. Jan -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Editors
Tim McNamara writes: Aarrgh, I forgot to send this to the list. I will never get used to the goofy way in which the LilyPond mailing list operates, not having the Reply-To header set to the list. It is the only mailing list I have ever been part of that doesn't have this as the default. http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html Jan -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Editors
David Kastrup writes: I have *never* seen reply to group in any client I've worked with. It is usually called Reply All or Followup. And usually invoked by typing F or R :-) Jan -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Graphical note entry for wiki music [Extension:Score]?
Hi, I am working on a GUI for LilyPond and am looking for your feedback on the desirability or usefulness --if any-- for MediaWiki. My desire is to have LilyPond accessible to everyone by presenting a basic GUI initially so as to provide a more gentle introduction than text to most people, simultaneously offering an easy way to learn the LilyPond language and handhold them while they make the switch. Although I started three years ago it is still mostly a play thing --I do this just for fun and it has seen a few rewrites-- so it will be a long way before it matches any of the power that LilyPond has, or even that other GUIs offer right now. I would enjoy having more focus and actual users and so early this spring I took up the idea to create a basic web frontend alongside the main Gnome/Gtk+ GUI. Then, by the usual blend of sheer coincidence and providence, the score extension landed. That has kept me wondering if what I have now could [almost] be useful for MediaWiki or WikiPedia...or what would need to be done to make it so. Any feedback is much appreciated! Please have a look at http://lilypond.org/schikkers-list or go straight to the LilyPond Schikkers Demo http://lilypond.org/schikkers/ Thankyou Greetings, Jan PS: as an aside, I read some complaints about Lily's SVG output on this list; would you please send a bug report on that, or anything else that you find amiss to bug-lilyp...@gnu.org? -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: [Wikitech-l] Graphical note entry for wiki music [Extension:Score]?
Brian Wolff writes: Thanks for reaching out to us. Sure. I remembered reading something about this desire, but couldn't find that discussion; I was redirected here through the Score Talk page. I just tried the demo, and it looks pretty awesome. I definitely think integrating this into Score somehow would be very desirable. Thank you. Integrating would be nice, but that is possibly taking it a bit too quickly? Anyway, I am very interested in what would be desired most and to see if we can come in contact with people who would like to work on this. I'll also hang out on #mediawiki (and #lilypond) as janneke (or janneke_) Greetings, Jan -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Images from Liedboek with attribution
Hi, I put some images up at the public url https://plus.google.com/b/109917054452640897824/109917054452640897824/posts/jPRaUgF34ma and I hope to get more publicity and possibly a donation for LilyPond. This is a major publication. There are three separate books, besides this one there is one for choir and one for organ/piano accompaniment. Currently, 140,000 copies are being printed. 1st (40,000) and 2nd (50,000) editions are already sold out. 3rd edition (50,000) with many corrections is planned for mid-July. Jan -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Images from Liedboek with attribution
James writes: Nice. But where are the images of the score? Ah, but you know what Lily looks like? Added two https://plus.google.com/photos/116907903457895631414/albums/5888676946091255025 Jan -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Quasiconf/FrosCON: are you making music with LISP?
FYI http://quasiconf.twoticketsplease.de/ Parenthetical Art If you use Lisp for composing music, crafting visualizations or making games then this is your opportunity to show it off. Lisp is not just about code as data, it’s also about programming as art! Jan -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: LilyPond blog! who wants to join?
Janek Warchoł writes: this cannot wait any longer: there has to be a LilyPond blog. Unless someone has a better idea, i'm going to create a blog on WordPress.com tomorrow morning. Apropos...why wordpress.com? Is that syndicatable? We --the lilypond project-- were invited to get syndicated on planet.linuxaudio.org. We need something that provides rss feeds, and get anything lilypond syndicated there, imvho. Greetings, Jan -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: An idea for a systematic development of a large score.
wjm writes: After a lot of fiddling around I came up with this schema:- That reads much like http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/lilypond.git/tree/mutopia/Coriolan?id=60fdc53305e8628dad96b4ebea177bc6ee8d95cd what are we missing? Greetings, Jan -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Request for feedback on 'lobbying' paper
David Kastrup writes: Ask Wilbert about the LyBoek project... Is that a work title? Yes. The official title is Liedboek, as in URL:http://www.liedboek.nl/ Indeed. An exposition of the project logistics would be interesting, yes. Yes, there are plans for a writeup of the project. Jan -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Fingering not aligned in 2.17, ok in 2.16
Nick Payne writes: Do you consider this a bug? Actually, I like the new behaviour better. What does the literature say? The great majority of commercial guitar scores I possess align the fingering vertically on chords, as 2.16 does. Which means that there is no strict agreement? The great majority have been wrong before. What about the most beautiful scores amongst your collection, what do they do? Jan -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Proposed new available and recommended behavior of \relative
David Kastrup writes:
Issue 3229: Patch: Make \relative { ... } interpret the first pitch as
an absolute one
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Re: Pseudo-handwritten font
David Kastrup writes: Wow, very impressive! I hate to admit it, but it looks like a game changer of strategic importance to me. People tend to pick LilyPond to get the best typesetting. Yes. Wow. What needs to be done for this? I put quite some effort in supporting Gonville as an external font, as at the time it took 5+ hours to build it and we did not want to ship a font binary-only. If/after we get this in, possibly we should look into Gonville too and we would have three different looks. Game changer indeed! Jan -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
OFF-TOPIC: Changing Education Paradigms [Re: Advocating non-free softwares]
David Kastrup writes: Starting scene of Macbeth. But at any rate, I perceive a shift in educational systems to award degrees that have at best a weak correlation with being competent in the certified field of expertise. There is much stronger pressure on teachers and professors to have enough students pass exams rather than make sure that those who pass exams can be trusted with their subjects. But we are by now seriously off-topic. You're not alone in perceiving this. The famous `Changing Education Paradigms' by Sir Ken Robinson is currently the most viewed TED talk. A broad movement has been started in the Netherlands to actuate this change in education: essentially a shift from tests to value. Greetings, Jan -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: OFF-TOPIC: Changing Education Paradigms [Re: Advocating non-free softwares]
Urs Liska writes: I'm probably pissed a lot more than she was that this was likely a smart choice for her to make. That would be a wonderful story if it wasn't so sad :-( The best, most wonderful stories, are all sad. It's just that Hollywood will find a way to pervert most beautiful sad stories into a happy end before we get to see them ;-) Jan -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Advocating non-free softwares [WAS: Heads up about Frescobaldi Ubuntu - Insert Menu Glitch]
Jan Nieuwenhuizen writes: No idea... I just begun to use the last realease of frescobaldi under [a freedom-limiting operating system] and this is just fantastic. [..] Could you please be more aware and more careful about advocating the use of non-free operating systems? I have read this thread and all the viewpoints expressed here, and I hereby withdraw this request, together with any and all other nutty things I may have said here and on other internet fora. I will be more aware and more careful about trying to restrict or censor others. Please feel welcome here to say whatever you like [and do try Frescobaldi under a free, freedom respecting system too, you may like it! But don't try to find out why I'm almost religious about this, once it catches you it's hard to let go ;-)] Greetings, Jan -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Advocating non-free softwares [WAS: Heads up about Frescobaldi Ubuntu - Insert Menu Glitch]
Francois Planiol writes:
No idea... I just begun to use the last realease of frescobaldi under
[a freedom-limiting operating system] and this is just fantastic.
Thanks for your encouraging words about Frescobaldi.
Could you please be more aware and more careful about advocating the use
of non-free operating systems?
Come to think of it, do we say something about the choice of operating
system? We don't do that on the download pages, we present them as
equal choices.
Why don't we say something on the download pages like:
Free systems: GNU/Linux, FreeBSD ... {we even say: UNIX, ugh!?}
We encourage you to use a free operating system.
We provide compatibility and binaries for [these] non-free operating
systems for your convenience. Our respect for you and your choice of
operating system should not be mistaken for an endorsement of that
software.
Greetings, Jan
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Re: Advocating non-free softwares [WAS: Heads up about Frescobaldi Ubuntu - Insert Menu Glitch]
james writes: Could you please be more aware and more careful about advocating the use of non-free operating systems? Does this mean we shouldn't mention that we use non-free operating systems? Or ask questions, comments about non-free operating systems? I think we can proudly advertise that LilyPond runs on all common operating systems, I personally invested quite some time to create that. This empowers users who are for one reason or another still stuck with a freedom-denying operating system. I think it is wise to have some awareness about it when saying how fantastic the experience is of using a certain piece of freedom-denying software. Jan -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Advocating non-free softwares [WAS: Heads up about Frescobaldi Ubuntu - Insert Menu Glitch]
Graham Percival writes: The download page is not a place for OS advocacy. +1 Thanks for your helpful viewpoints. Jan -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: anyone going to FOSDEM this weekend?
Adam Spiers writes: Would be nice to say hello to any other Lilypond hackers / users who are there! +1 -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Sibelius user looking for the easiest way to learn LilyPond
Antonio Gervasoni writes: Of course, just typing notes in a keyboard may be faster than inputing them with the mouse but the workflow becomes very slow when you have to make all the necessary tweaks to get a nice result. Also, there are lots of different expressions and commands and some of them are very complex. That's why I like to differentiate between inputting and tweaking. Inputting is probably much, much faster using the keyboard. As LilyPond grows more mature, the idea is that the number of tweaks necessary goes down. I'm quite happy that users still choose to us LilyPond even if for many production quality scores tweaks are still needed. I'm still not sure what the ideal way of inputting and tweaking would look like. The nice thing about text-based tweaks as compared to GUI-based tweaks, is that text-based tweaks can be saved, documented, reused, shared and improved; whereas GUI tweaks often can't. Greetings, Jan -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Exporting SVG files into Inkscape - font issues
SoundsFromSound writes: This DOES work in Linux, no problem - beautifully too, Olivier. But Windows, no matter what I do/move what fonts where, it just will NOT open the SVG w/ correct fonts. Grrr. Windows and fonts is a nightmare. I looked into Denemo and GUI fonts for Windows and remember that in order for the Windows GUI to pick them up, they needed to be registrated in freetype as well as in the Windows font folder/registry thingy. Registering, removing and re-adding a font (think: update Denemo package) can make it invisible and other ugly things. Good luck, Jan -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Short stems [ATTENTION: INLINE IMAGES]
Arle Lommel writes: I thought I was fairly clear about the specifics—“I find the stem here awfully short because it makes the flag on the eighth note run into the note heads”—but I guess not. Yes, that's clear. But the inline images (yes) shown below should resolve any confusion on the point. They help, but for me they don't. I see the difference, and I note your point about the flag touching the note head, but how can you be so sure that the LilyPond output wrong? The original image does not represent quality engraving and cannot and should not be used as an example, IMNSHO. There are too many problems with it to take it as a standard. Of course, your feeling that there is something wrovng with the LilyPond output could still hold, but we'd need more and esp. better examples. While you are free to change it in your own score, that's not even recommended as long as we don't know what it should look like. The chord looks MUCH better to me ..yes... and which is closer to the old engraving ...yes..., but this engraving, though possibly old, is not nice, or does not look like any of the engravings we have been mimicking. Greetings, Jan -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Short stems [ATTENTION: INLINE IMAGES]
Arle Lommel writes: Thanks for pointing out the regional and temporal variations at work here. That tells me the Lilypond default isn't a bug. It is just a difference of aesthetic ideal and intention. It still /could/ be, what I say it that it's impossible for me to tell yet. Greetings, Jan -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Short stems
Thomas Morley writes: In the past I was sometimes beaten by spam. And I'm absolutly nerved by online-commercials. Have you ever seen spam or commercials on these lists? So I block/filter where possible. You may want to filter INBOX, if your ISP is failing at blocking spam. You can also consider switching your ISP or use other email options. I don't see any reason to block/filter images in these lists. I could allow inline-images, but for the reasons above I don't _want_ them to be shown. You may want to review your reasoning. Greetings, Jan -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Short stems
Arle Lommel writes: I have run into an odd little aesthetic issue. I'm finding that some eighth (or shorter) notes get stems that are too short when they stick out from the staff. LilyPond tries to mimick traditional engraving. There are bugs, however, saying I find xx is too short is not helpful. Please find a piece of beautiful engraving and compare that with LilyPond to see if you found a bug, and show us. If you cannot find it, you may consider revising your taste regarding the issue. Oh, I don't see anything wrong with inline pictures http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2012-12/msg00556.html we've been using them for bug reports and I happen to like them. Greetings, Jan -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Short stems
Thomas Morley writes: please: DON'T POST INLINE-IMAGES! Can you please don't shout, esp. not to our users? Attach them! I'm surely not alone with filtering them out. Why would anyone do that? People will inline pictures and I find that very useful. Werner has sent many many clear bug reports using inline pictures, much friendlier than attached. If you can't handle them, you may consider using the mailing list archives http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2012-12/msg00556.html Greetings, Jan -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: first-time user, a couple of questions
David Kastrup writes: Without an authorization by Stevie Wonder, publishing a version of his work on GitHub is not allowed in most countries of the world, so you should likely make this part of your repository private. Either that, or move to a country which allows such publishing. As an aside, is there a list of countries that allow this AND have free internet access? For the purpose of discussing LilyPond examples, try using random notes or non-copyrighted material (18th century or so). That will mean additional work Randomization, or de-copyrightization, wouldn't that be a nice feature for a LilyPond editor or mode? Greetings, Jan -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: 2.17.7 won't compile
David Kastrup writes: Bric b...@flight.us writes: What is mfplain ? Online searching fails to explain. $ dpkg -S mfplain While helpful for this user in this specific case, that only works if you already have what you are missing. Try (after apt-file update of course) $ apt-file search mfplain texlive-binaries: /usr/bin/mfplain texlive-metapost: /usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/metapost/base/mfplain.mp texlive-metapost: /usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/metapost/config/mfplain.ini Greetings, Jan -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Supporting LilyPond development financially
Werner LEMBERG writes: And it is not like there is 100% approval on the stuff I do. I think that there is 100% approval that you *do* such a huge amount of work. And you should be payed for that IMHO. From my pov, I very much see David==global cause. With David, LilyPond has one full time developer, almost. What we --hopefully very soon-- need to solve, is what happens when David receives more money, monthly, than he `needs' to truly commit himself. It would be a pity if donations would then drop again to a `must only barely sustain David' level; much rather I would like to a way to keep donations/funds increasing and get another developer on board. Jan -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Supporting LilyPond development financially
David Kastrup writes: It is not really almost, Okay..at what % of David are we, then? and I am not easily interchangeable as there are some things I am pretty good at, and some things I am pretty bad at. Good :-) So if there was enough money to go around, I'd recommend not getting another David for it but rather looking for someone with a different skill (and deficiency) set. Agree, that would be nice. Let's worry about that when the situation arises. I don't see that happening without finding a fundamentally different source of financing. Possibly, however, you never know. Especially given the fact that sponsoring/donating to a global LilyPond effort is apparently not being advertised sufficiently. With the current model I don't see cost/benefit distributed in a really satisfactory way. Not really sure what you mean here...who is is that finds things dissatisfactory, and what would she like to change? Well, cannot even barely sustain two developers does not sound like a huge step forward in sustainability. So one step after the other. :-) Jan -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Supporting LilyPond development financially
Francisco Vila writes: I'd put a big star-shaped Donate! or Sponsor! button clearly visible on the front page. +1 Don't play too hard to get on this ;-) Jan -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Lilypond in path on Windows?
Nick Payne writes: Should the Lilypond install add the program directory to the path on Windows? I normally use LP on Linux, where it is in the path, but I just installed 2.17.6 on my notebook, which runs Windows 7 x64, and it isn't in the path - I can't open a command prompt and run lilypond ... without using the full path to C:\Program Files (x86)\LilyPond\usr\bin\lilypond. I have no ideaIt used to be the case, I made it that way. This was removed from the windows installer without presenting any reason why commit 917dab12e7a838f1f153e7c57fb921c0b19b9bc2 Author: Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net Date: Fri Jan 6 17:23:15 2012 + Stops Windows PATH being changed Such messages, and this one in particular can annoy me immensly. If I want to know WHAT happened, I look at the diff. A commit should give a reason WHY, and IWBN if it mentioned the bug that was closed by the commit, with an url, too. Jan -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Lilypond cheat sheat
Janek Warchoł writes: On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 7:21 AM, Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org wrote: I think both cheat sheets nicely complement each other. What about adding both of them to the lilypond distribution? +1 Well, doesn't that depend a bit upon how they are produced? We don't want to ship anything (binaries, PDFs, Gonville fonts, etc). without sources, and we also don't want to add build dependencies on, say, libreoffice? Jan -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Lilypond in path on Windows?
Janek Warchoł writes: i suppose relevant issue is here http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=1948 Interesting. So instead of FIXING that bug, a new bug was introduced by removing code. Great. Also no trail was left in Git, which leaves the risk of someone restarting that cycle from scratch: Add lilypond to path, fix some more bugs, finally remove it again etc, etc. Jan -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Lilypond in path on Windows?
David Kastrup writes: I usually try to remember when pushing changes to do one git commit --amend for the sake of adding Issue : in front of the commit message. I don't think many other bother, and my own success rate is probably below 70%. Yes, that's quite nice. I like that a lot from debbugs and their changelogs. What would really help is two nice two-way integrations: of Git with the bug tracker and of the bug tracker with email. The stanza: .*[.] Fixe #n. automaticcaly closes issue #n, adding the commit message to the tracker. In the tracker, every closed bug has a direct link, automagically, to the commit. Jan -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Lilypond cheat sheat
Francisco Vila writes: 2012/11/7 Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org: Well, doesn't that depend a bit upon how they are produced? We don't want to ship anything (binaries, PDFs, Gonville fonts, etc). without sources, and we also don't want to add build dependencies on, say, libreoffice? But we could link to the various existing contributed cheatsheets. Yes...should I have mentioned that of course we'd rather ship the sources if that's feasible? Jan -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Lilypond cheat sheat
David Kastrup writes: We arrive at our indentation using Emacs, but even if we deliver the scripts for doing so, this does not mean we need to redistribute Emacs as well. There is a difference between build time and run time dependencies. Even if libreoffice, like Emacs would obviously not become a run time dependency, having it as a build time dependency could be awkward? Or would you want to store cached binary output alongside its source in git? I'm not a big fan of that. Jan -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Lilypond in path on Windows?
David Kastrup writes: A new _installation_ step was introduced since the previous one would not work more than a few times and left traces in the system when uninstalling that would eventually lead to failure. Who takes care of this new step? Great. Also no trail was left in Git, That would be an interesting feat. Yeah, I'm working on a paper ;-) No trail of the why, why it was removed is what I meant. A pointer to the issue, along with a pointer to the new code that sets the path would have been helpful. Jan -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Q and A web
Noeck writes: most discussions on this mailing list follow this course: 1) how can I achieve this: description 2) some answers are given 3) perhaps the person asking finds his best solution Some discussions have an additional step 4) user thanks for input and posts her solution Possibly that's something we could encourage more? Of course, if the solution is something new or valuable, IWBN if there were a step 5) the solution is documented Jan -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Parallel music view - inspiration for LilyPond editors.
Werner LEMBERG writes: I'm getting crowd-funded for my work on LilyPond, Another new thing: https://www.gittip.com Have you read http://lwn.net/Articles/514964/ on Bradley Kuhn's http://sfconservancy.org/ Jan -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
FUNDING [WAS Re: Parallel music view - inspiration for LilyPond editors.]
Werner LEMBERG writes: I'm getting crowd-funded for my work on LilyPond, Another new thing: https://www.gittip.com Have you read http://lwn.net/Articles/514964/ on Bradley Kuhn's http://sfconservancy.org/ Jan -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: rhythm fragments in different pitches
David Kastrup writes: An rtf file with the error log? Seriously? Probably an Emacs user :-P https://raw.github.com/pusto/rtf-el/master/rtf.el seems to work nicely... Jan -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Compress Full Bar Rests
Hugh Resnick writes: Consider lumping your measures together, so: s1*3 instead of s1 s1 s1 —Josiah Perfect. Thank you so much. I'd like to ask some more silly questions here * why is this [*3] necessary? and if it is necessary, then * why isn't it obvious? and if it isn't obvious, then * why does the documentation fail? Jan -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: lilypond manual intro
Karl Berry writes: These are not really bugs, all up for interpretation, so I thought I'd write here ... Thanks! I wanted to give a url about simple Lilypond input to the prototypical naive user (my mom, who is a musician but not a programmer). That's why we created a couple of entry urls lilypond.org/tutorial lilypond.org/download lilypond.org/glossary lilypond.org/documentation lilypond.org/bugs lilypond.org/wiki lilypond.org/news lilypond.org/stable lilypond.org/development I'm not sure what happened here. Possibly the procject forgot to use or advocate these. I realise, of course, that this not fix the content that is presented behind these urls. Jan -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Waltrop meeting outline
David Kastrup writes: I would like to arrive Friday early evening and stay till at least late Saturday night, possibly Sunday too. Jan -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Waltrop meeting outline
David Kastrup writes: Excellent. How are you fitted regarding sleeping bag/mat/tent/camper? No camper. staying on the premise is more convenient, though compromising comfort. That's sounds just swell. As today is GUB day, I'll see if I can make it late afternoon instead of early evening. Jan -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Sibelius Software UK office shuts down
Graham Percival writes: Getting an actual LilyPond score requires calculating line breaks and there's no way to get rid of the overhead. Sure there is. Compile each bar individually with the default spacing (i.e. whatever you get if your entire score is one bar and you use ragged-right=##t). Indeed. There are several approaches here that I'm looking into and I'm [intermittently and slowly] working at; see Schikkers-List http://news.lilynet.net/?The-LilyPond-Report-22lang=en The idea is to have a native GTK frontend used for user input and rendering initially, and to look into rendering onto HTML later. Greetings, Jan -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Sibelius Software UK office shuts down
Han-Wen Nienhuys writes: Architecturally it is very difficult. Rather than making lilypond much more complicated to do incremental rendering, why not invert the problem: have your editor control line breaks, and use lilypond to render just one line of music at a time. This is exactly what Schikkers-List v0.0.3 does, as an obvious and simple extention to the Ikebana prototype. I'm now working on a new data structure which detaches rendering action from the internal music structure. That should enable using different threads in the GUI for managing GUI updates and talking to the lilypond server. Which in turn will enable using parallel lilypond processes to do bits of rendering. Jan -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
tunefl and other web services
Hi Do we know about http://tunefl.com ? Also, should we be mentioning commercial services like scorio.com on our website? Jan -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: midi for orchestral scores
Nils writes: Yes. 16 sounds because we have 16 channels max. And you can double two horns on one channel but you can't pan one to the left and one to the right. So in the end its 16 instruments + tricks like sharing one instrument patch for all strings. Yes, we have at least three ways of writing midi files now. There are at least two theoretical ways of setting many more instruments than 16 and we support two (using ports and instrument per track, ignoring channel); but as far as I know there are no midi players that handle those. Jan -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Do one thing well...
Jeff Barnes writes:
$ cat 'my-melody-in-lily-note-syntax.txt' | ~/bin/fourwayclose.pl | lilypond
$ echo '{ a b c }' | LANG= lilypond -o stdin -
Processing `-'
Parsing...
-:0: warning: no \version statement found, please add
\version 2.15.40
for future compatibility
Interpreting music...
Preprocessing graphical objects...
Finding the ideal number of pages...
Fitting music on 1 page...
Drawing systems...
Layout output to `stdin.ps'...
Converting to `./stdin.pdf'...
Success: compilation successfully completed
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Re: transcribe notes
Jay Anderson writes:
On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 7:42 AM, MING TSANG tsan...@rogers.com wrote:
I am transcribe a music score to lilypond and came across a note with
vertical line on both side. What is this called and how to code in lily to
generate it?
Most likely a breve: { c\breve }
We now have two helpful comments with a specific answer, which helps
this specific user. It would be nice if we cloud point to the
documentation and have future users find out by themselves. I found
that the glossary does not really help -- the alternative breve/longa
with single or double lines is not displayed; also `note value' is not a
very obvious place to look
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.15/Documentation/music-glossary/note-value
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.15/Documentation/music-glossary/duration-names-notes-and-rests
Jan
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Re: transcribe notes
Janek Warchoł writes: I'm not sure. This is a music notation question: what's this?. Lily documentation aims to answer different kind of questions: how do i engrave this? and it assumes that the user knows what's what he wants. She wants a certain type of note. Chances are that she can find out which one it is by herself much easier when we have images of all notes available. Jan -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: ?ly2video - create videos from your LilyPond projects
Peter Chubb writes: BTW these changes are just a hack, except for the call to subprocess.check_call, which is needed --- the real fix would be to build the filenames using the system path separator. FWIW, Windows uses / as directory separator too, using '\\' is never really necessary; unless maybe when exposing the name to an unimaginative Windows user who cannot imagine / is a directory separator. Jan -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Appreciation / Financial support
Han-Wen Nienhuys writes: Let me try to rephrase things: the more functionality is moved into the Scheme layers, the less people you can find who are capable of working on it. For me, the complexity of LilyPond itself outplays learning a new programming language by far. Moreover, learning scheme has given me a very helpful and refreshing new perspective on programming. I'm wondering, do you think that learning a new language such as scheme would scare you away from hacking on LilyPond, if you discovered it? Therefore, you should be careful with moving more and more code into the Scheme layer. If the former hypothesis was true, then maybe. Or maybe not -- most important is that things get better, simpler, easier to extend and change for the current hackers, imvho. Jan -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Appreciation / Financial support
Francisco Vila writes: 2012/6/1 Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org: For me, the complexity of LilyPond itself outplays learning a new programming language by far. In other words, saying Who's going to learn LilyPond? Nobody will! is more or less the same as saying Who is going to learn Scheme to contribute to LilyPond? Nobody will!. What I meant was: if you're [on your way to become] a geek and find LilyPond and want to contribute, learning scheme may very well be a nice bonus. If one would like to seriously learn and use Scheme, which IDE for editing/running/debugging do you recommend? We from GNU advise GNU Emacs :-) Jan -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Appreciation / Financial support
Henning Hraban Ramm writes: Some (most?) countries accept tax benefits only with national NPOs, perhaps plus a few known, big international ones (like Red Cross). AFAIK, our Dutch LilyPond NPO would be fine for this. Jan -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
musescore lands sponsoring?
Just to make sure you have seen http://www.opengoldbergvariations.org/b-sendorfer-sponsors-open-goldberg-project-providing-concert-grand-ceus-recording-technology-0 Wouldn't LilyPond have been a technically superior choice for this sponsoring project? What are we missing? Jan -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: musescore lands sponsoring?
David Kastrup writes: We're missing consensus. I think that if there were a SponsorshipMeister, not unlike the BugMeister, we could do really cool stuff like this. Besides the monetary aid, this brings huge recognition to the community and gets a lot of people on board. A SponsorshipMeister is dangerously close to the premise that we can turn money into LilyPond. The truth is that we can turn enthusiasm into LilyPond. How to turn enthousiasm into LilyPond, if people are unaware of it's existence. Long before we go SponsorshipMeister, I would suggest a PRMeister. We don't make the best of our potential for selling LilyPond out. But we should not run into trap of making money a metric for the success of LilyPond or its contributors. So what would be a valid metric for LilyPond's success? Can we determine where the hanging fruit is that we are missing in selling LilyPond out? Jan -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Shortcuts for octaves
lex R. Mosteo writes: c c' and so on. I wonder what's the fastest way to enter lots of these. Can you elaborate on the `and so on' bit? If it's c c' es es' why not type c es and use replace to add the \1 \1'? Jan -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: contemporary accidental style
Orm Finnendahl writes: \accidentalStyle neo-modern does not match your requirements? its close, but the immediate repetition is the problem. I encounter calls by musicians quite often if I don't explicitely restate the accidental (even if it's stated in the foreword). Question is: is neo-modern used and appreciated as it works right now and do we indeed need a contemporary style, or should neo-modern behave like Orm describes? Jan -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: pngtopnm missing?
Phil Holmes writes: I'm sorry I still can't answer your exact question, but I can give some pointers. pngtopnm is a standard image file format converter on unix boxes, and so I guess Lily assumes it's there for some of its operations, and it isn't on Windows. Hence the error message. That may be a bug, possibly we should ship netpbm with the windows binaries? Jan -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
