Re: Tuplet brackets too short?
I have used tupletFullLength extensively, and it mostly does what I need
correctly. However, the illustration here shows the remaining issue with it -
which is specific to line breaks. Within a line, the RH end of the bracket is
correctly placed just before the bar line, but at a break it is placed on it as
in this example.
I've also got a patch by Harm in there which extends the bracket over the
noteheads - as that was written for release 2.23.3, I don't know if it's been
added to the main codebase (the example here suggests not, unless it's a new
parameter).
Paul
From: Werner LEMBERG
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Sent: 20/10/2023 6:33
Subject: Re: Tuplet brackets too short?
> Shouldn't both tuplet brackets span every notecolumn within the
> purview of the last note's duration?
Yes, at least according to Gould. Using `tupletFullLength` helps, but
now tuplet brackets are too long:
```
\new Staff
{ \set Staff.tupletFullLength = ##t
\time 2/4
<< \tuplet 3/2 { c''4 d'' c'' } \\ \tuplet 3/2 { g'4 a'2 } >>
}
```
It looks like a tricky problem, and it seems not to be covered in the
tracker, so please file an issue.
Werner
Re: Tuplet brackets too short?
Mark Knoop writes: > At 05:33 on 20 Oct 2023, Werner LEMBERG wrote: >>> Shouldn't both tuplet brackets span every notecolumn within the >>> purview of the last note's duration? > >> Yes, at least according to Gould. Using `tupletFullLength` helps, but >> now tuplet brackets are too long: > > Since 2.25 there is also: > > \override TupletBracket.span-all-note-heads = ##t > > which I think does the right thing, at least in the Gould > "old-style". Not with regard to the problem I describe. > Surely this should be the default? Different problem, different question. -- David Kastrup
Re: Tuplet brackets too short?
At 05:33 on 20 Oct 2023, Werner LEMBERG wrote: >> Shouldn't both tuplet brackets span every notecolumn within the >> purview of the last note's duration? > Yes, at least according to Gould. Using `tupletFullLength` helps, but > now tuplet brackets are too long: Since 2.25 there is also: \override TupletBracket.span-all-note-heads = ##t which I think does the right thing, at least in the Gould "old-style". Surely this should be the default? -- Mark Knoop
Re: Tuplet brackets too short?
> Shouldn't both tuplet brackets span every notecolumn within the
> purview of the last note's duration?
Yes, at least according to Gould. Using `tupletFullLength` helps, but
now tuplet brackets are too long:
```
\new Staff
{ \set Staff.tupletFullLength = ##t
\time 2/4
<< \tuplet 3/2 { c''4 d'' c'' } \\ \tuplet 3/2 { g'4 a'2 } >>
}
```
It looks like a tricky problem, and it seems not to be covered in the
tracker, so please file an issue.
Werner
Re: Tuplet brackets too short?
At 16:10 19/10/2023 +0200, David Kastrup wrote: ... the results look awful: Shouldn't both tuplet brackets span every notecolumn within the purview of the last note's duration? For what it's worth (I know, I know!), Elaine Gould [Behind Bars, pp. 195/6] seems to distinguish between old and newer practice: *Tuplets ending with the longest duration* Traditionally, the bracket extends only as far as the last written duration. Thus a numeral centred in a bracket occurs before the central duration, making the rhythm unnecessarily difficult to read. It is now usual to extend the bracket to the position of the hypothetical final division of the tuplet, so that the numeral occurs at the rhythmic centre of the group. This makes complex rhythms quicker to read. *Aligning brackets between parts* When the final division of a tuplet is subdivided in some parts but not in others, the bracket ends need to extend only as far as the last duration in each group. This means that brackets may finish at different points. If preferred, all brackets may be extended to the position of the longest bracket. There is a visual logic to this, especially as uniform bracket length will allow the centred tuplet numerals to align vertically. Her subsequent examples seem to follow her "now usual" and "if preferred" style that you espouse. Brian Barker
Tuplet brackets too short?
If I write
\new Staff
{ \time 2/4
<< \tuplet 3/2 { c''4 d'' c'' } \\ \tuplet 3/2 { g'4 a'2 } >>
}
the results look awful:
Shouldn't both tuplet brackets span every notecolumn within the purview
of the last note's duration? I think this might also apply if the upper
voice contained 4 eighths instead of the three triplets:
--
David Kastrup
