> On 29 Jul 2022, at 15:21, Kieren MacMillan
> wrote:
>
> Hi Hans,
Hello,
>> Hindemith, "Training…", indicates that 6/8 is always bipartite, so the 3/4
>> is a metric shift in this music piece.
>
> Correct.
>
>> By contrast, 9/8 is tripartite, just as 3/4, so I do not see any obvious
>>
> On 29 Jul 2022, at 15:14, Paul Hodges wrote:
>
> From: Hans Åberg
>
> There is also the practise to write the triplet markers just a few bars, and
> then skipping them. Perhaps for simplifying handwriting and helping then
> engraver in the days this was done by hand, so would not be
Hi Hans,
> Hindemith, "Training…", indicates that 6/8 is always bipartite, so the 3/4 is
> a metric shift in this music piece.
Correct.
> By contrast, 9/8 is tripartite, just as 3/4, so I do not see any obvious
> difference here.
The difference is that each of the three big beats in 9/8 is
From: Hans Åberg
There is also the practise to write the triplet markers just a few bars, and
then skipping them. Perhaps for simplifying handwriting and helping then
engraver in the days this was done by hand, so would not be needed nowadays
when done electronically.
Not needed
> On 29 Jul 2022, at 14:27, Eef Weenink wrote:
>
> The question started with a piece of Liszt. It has to be played adante. Time
> is set:
> first part: 9/8 (3/4)
> second part: 6/8 (2/4) istesso tempo (means that a 1/4 stays 1/4. So the
> duration of the measure changes).
>
> Writing it
> On 29 Jul 2022, at 13:30, Kieren MacMillan
> wrote:
>
> Hi Carl,
>
>> Just curious, because I know precious little about polymetry.
>> Does 9/8 (3/4) mean anything different from (3 + 3 + 3)/8 ?
>
> Yes: the parenthetical notation is usually an instruction to alternate time
> signatures,
The question started with a piece of Liszt. It has to be played adante. Time is
set:
first part: 9/8 (3/4)
second part: 6/8 (2/4) istesso tempo (means that a 1/4 stays 1/4. So the
duration of the measure changes).
Writing it this way, prevents printing the triplet everywhere.
The feel of the
Kieren MacMillan writes:
> Hi Carl,
>
>> Just curious, because I know precious little about polymetry.
>> Does 9/8 (3/4) mean anything different from (3 + 3 + 3)/8 ?
>
> Yes: the parenthetical notation is usually an instruction to alternate
> time signatures, not simply a clarification of
On 29/07/2022 12:30, Kieren MacMillan wrote:
Hi Carl,
Just curious, because I know precious little about polymetry.
Does 9/8 (3/4) mean anything different from (3 + 3 + 3)/8 ?
Yes: the parenthetical notation is usually an instruction to alternate time
signatures, not simply a clarification
Hi Carl,
> Just curious, because I know precious little about polymetry.
> Does 9/8 (3/4) mean anything different from (3 + 3 + 3)/8 ?
Yes: the parenthetical notation is usually an instruction to alternate time
signatures, not simply a clarification of intention. For example, in “West Side
Carl Sorensen writes:
> On Thu, Jul 28, 2022 at 1:52 PM Eef Weenink wrote:
>
>> This score starts with \time 9/8, but i also should have 3/4 feeling, so
>> there is written:
>>
>> 9/8 (3/4) (in parenthesis).
>
>
> Just curious, because I know precious little about polymetry.
>
> Does 9/8 (3/4)
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> To: "Eef Weenink"
> Cc: "Lillypond Users Mailing List"
> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2022 11:00:01 AM
> Subject: Re: \time 9/8 (3/4)
> On Thu, Jul 28, 2022 at 1:52 PM Eef Weenink wrote:
>
>> This score starts with \time 9/8, but i a
On Thu, Jul 28, 2022 at 1:52 PM Eef Weenink wrote:
> This score starts with \time 9/8, but i also should have 3/4 feeling, so
> there is written:
>
> 9/8 (3/4) (in parenthesis).
Just curious, because I know precious little about polymetry.
Does 9/8 (3/4) mean anything different from (3 + 3 +
> On 29 Jul 2022, at 09:44, David Kastrup wrote:
>
> Hans Åberg writes:
>
>>> On 28 Jul 2022, at 22:43, Jean Abou Samra wrote:
>>>
>>> Also here:
>>>
>>> https://myrealbook.vintherine.org/mesures-composees.html
>>
>> One also write I think:
>> \time #'(4 4 3) 11/8
>
> Slightly more
Hans Åberg writes:
>> On 28 Jul 2022, at 22:43, Jean Abou Samra wrote:
>>
>> Also here:
>>
>> https://myrealbook.vintherine.org/mesures-composees.html
>
> One also write I think:
> \time #'(4 4 3) 11/8
Slightly more human-readable:
\time 4,4,3 11/8
--
David Kastrup
Thank you Hans,
The \time #'(4 4 3) 11/8
makes the subdivision, but only shows 11/8.
I will use the example from
https://myrealbook.vintherine.org/mesures-composees.html
> Op 28 jul. 2022, om 23:17 heeft Hans Åberg het volgende
> geschreven:
>
>
>> On 28 Jul 2022, at 22:43, Jean Abou
> On 28 Jul 2022, at 22:43, Jean Abou Samra wrote:
>
> Also here:
>
> https://myrealbook.vintherine.org/mesures-composees.html
One also write I think:
\time #'(4 4 3) 11/8
For a kopanitsa 11=4+3+4, I use:
\time #'(4 3 4) 11/16
> Le 28 juil. 2022 à 21:52, Eef Weenink a écrit :
>
> This score starts with \time 9/8, but i also should have 3/4 feeling, so
> there is written:
>
> 9/8 (3/4) (in parenthesis).
>
> Probably a returning question, but I could not find it, because no idea what
> search-wortds to use.
>
This score starts with \time 9/8, but i also should have 3/4 feeling, so there
is written:
9/8 (3/4) (in parenthesis).
Probably a returning question, but I could not find it, because no idea what
search-wortds to use.
regards, Eef
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